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Post# 525722   6/20/2011 at 05:39 (4,544 days old) by laundryshark (Cedar Rapids, Iowa)        

About two weeks ago, we just had new coin-op Speed Queen laundry pairs installed in our apartment building. The washers are top loaders. They have the electronic pushbutton displays. The buttons are nothing more than smooth spots amid a more coarse background. A washer load in our building has jumped from $1 to $1.50. The dryers are the same at $1. I used the washer a few times and noticed, even on a mormal wash load setting, the washer washes, drains partially, refills, washes a few minutes more, and then goes into the drain/spin. Near the end of the drain phaze, a small spray rinse is commenced before the spin really gets going. Then the washer goes into a long full spin and stops. Strange washing configuration, as I really have to watch my detergent/bleach dosing. Although these washers have a good sized tub capacity, I still have to be careful what I load and not over load it. Also, have to manually watch for the correct time to add fabric softener, as I have to get it added right when the second fill has started. These top loaders do not have automatic detergent/bleach/fabric softener dispensers. Only an actual coin insert similar to a vending machine in which one must place in the quarters one at a time (and that takes six quarters for $1.50).--Laundry Shark

Post# 525730 , Reply# 1   6/20/2011 at 07:02 (4,544 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)        

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Sounds like the machine doesn't do a proper deep rinse with a full tub of fresh water, instead to make it more water efficient it pumps half the sudsy water out and tops up with fresh water doing a dilution wash. I would not add softener to this as you are mixing detergent and softener together, as for adding bleach I don't think a spray rinse before the final spin is sufficient to rinse the clothes properly.

With the importance of energy and water efficiency, top loaders don't work as well when you try to make them use less. Unlike front loaders they can still obtain excellent results using less water and energy, can rinse more times and still use less water than a top loader.

Post# 525745 , Reply# 2   6/20/2011 at 08:03 (4,544 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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it's been nicknamed the "Gray Water Rinse".....which I really don't see a benefit....if it takes four minutes to fill for a normal wash, drain half and refill, thats two minutes, and then drain completely and spin, spraying water on the load for another two to four minutes before the faster final spin...just seems like it would use more water than a regular full fill wash and rinse......not sure on the exact specs...but this is what the contract/installers are complaining about....and their recommendations is they would not wash their own clothes in one of these...something to think about...

Post# 525796 , Reply# 3   6/20/2011 at 11:23 (4,544 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
HE Detergent

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Maybe they want you to use HE detergent in these new machines...


Post# 525800 , Reply# 4   6/20/2011 at 11:29 (4,544 days old) by mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham))        

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Yea, that sounds gross.  How would you get the detergent out of the clothes like that?  Seems to me like this would lead to more skin irritation and less-clean laundry.

Post# 525832 , Reply# 5   6/20/2011 at 13:55 (4,544 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        

That really feel disgusting! I can't imagine how things can get rinsed enough! And I'm sure that they use more water than any standard front loader of similar capacity

Post# 525835 , Reply# 6   6/20/2011 at 13:59 (4,544 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)        

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I used a new Maytag (whirlpool made) commercial washer when I was on a cruise ship a couple of weeks ago. The washer only filled 2/3 the way up. Several people complained they had detergent powder all over their clothes at the end of the cycle - and they charge $3 a wash! I was lucky in that I had only filled the washer half way, so my laundry was washed and rinsed okay for a TL washer.

Post# 525859 , Reply# 7   6/20/2011 at 16:23 (4,543 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California)        

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I've used these new Speed Queens and yeah I wasn't impressed either. My clothes didn't feel properly rinsed at all, and I wasn't able to use the machines true capacity since they lowered the water level amounts. It was hardly worth the $1.75 per load I paid and needless to say, I won't be going back to that laundromat. I miss the previous model Speed Queens we used to have that the apartments. The digital models with the wavy vane agitator and a full regular cycle and full capacity usage. This may save water but, many people are going to be very unhappy with the end results of their laundry. And if they're going to have a spray rinse on the last spin, they should program it to happen while the machine is spinning at the top RPM, and at least a full minute long spray.

Post# 525860 , Reply# 8   6/20/2011 at 16:33 (4,543 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Xtra $$ for Xtra H20

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I wonder if these machines can be programmed to give a traditional cycle for an additional .25. I thought the QUANTUM series machines had that flexibility built in.


Post# 525868 , Reply# 9   6/20/2011 at 17:04 (4,543 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)        

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In order to keep the top loader alive, they will probably have to do something like this for home units...I'm buying 1 more SQ top loader for storage before 2013. My moms WP only fills 1/2 way in rinse unless the Softener added switch is about wear on clothes.

Post# 525873 , Reply# 10   6/20/2011 at 17:23 (4,543 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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We have WP TL's at the campground.....2 water levels available.......Large is about 1/2 full, Small is just above the bottom time I am there I will wash a load and take pics of the water levels......I think their 1.50 per load......worthless!

Post# 525906 , Reply# 11   6/20/2011 at 19:37 (4,543 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        

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Sounds like a modern picture thread titled hi water level. Post a pic of your modern daily driver at its highest water level setting. FL and TL included.


Post# 525931 , Reply# 12   6/20/2011 at 22:26 (4,543 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)        

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My Speed Queens are "jail broken" so I don't :)

Post# 525990 , Reply# 13   6/21/2011 at 07:35 (4,543 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        

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Its too bad that WP has tied up the patents on the recirculated spray rinse system that they used on thier TL Resource Saver washers about 10 years ago. That system really worked and actually rinsed the load with 6 separate water changes that automatically adjusted to the amount of clothing in the washer, like a FLer does


If I was going the use these new CSQ for large or real dirty loads I would run the machine through two complete cycles adding FS to the rinse in the second cycles rinse if desired. I do believe that the washers can be reprogramed to give the regular deep rinse, so you could also complain to management and see if they will reprogram them. It would be better even if they raised the price to two dollars per load.

Post# 526015 , Reply# 14   6/21/2011 at 09:53 (4,543 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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Personally, I would go out of my way not to use a machine that rinses like these Speed Queens do, in fact not only would I not use them unless I MUST, I would make sure the vendor who supplied the machines, the owner/operator of them, AND Speed Queen knew that I and hopefully others are taking the business elsewhere. If people are avoiding using them, the investment in them will take longer to recoup.

Whirlpool's current consumer DDs do the half-fill rinse, which shocks me. Fortunately rinse segments are short as compared to wash times, but that may finally earn these machines their old nick-name of "Shredmore" for real. The rinses use so little water that a label on the inside of the lid recommends diluting fabric softener in a full quart of water BEFORE adding it to the machine. Not happening in my house...

I don't usually like to modify machines, but I am seriously thinking of purchasing one of these 2011 compliant DDs to find out what it takes to modify the wiring to fake-out the half-fill rinse. I am guessing the wash water level switch can be adjusted to provide a full tub at 'High' level for the wash as well.


Post# 526026 , Reply# 15   6/21/2011 at 10:41 (4,543 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        
What's everyone so upset about????? LOL

This is what the government wants,(I am being sarcastic of course!!) We should be thankful that we still have the oppurtunity to purchase a Speed Queen T/L washer until 2013. It is absolutely disgraceful that companies are manufacturing washing machines that DO NOT use any water under the guise that they save energy, when in fact, under normal usage, they wind up in landfills in under five or so years!!! I would only assume that Speed Queen would recommend that one use HE detergent in these machines. I still would rather wash in one of these machines than in a front loader that does NOT use any water at all. If I ever have to buy another machine, I will buy a good old fashioned used top loader until these government restrictions are lifted.

Post# 526065 , Reply# 16   6/21/2011 at 14:55 (4,542 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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I don't know about a waiting list for machines overall in a marketplace, but we might see increased demand.

Actually if what a couple sales people have told me recently is really true, there is a filament of the U.S. washer market right now that is buying top loaders to replace front loaders they bought 5-10 years ago.

I know of a couple people in that group who bought top loaders in 2010 to replace front loaders that they felt were unsatisfactory. I think my sister would be a willing entrant to the market as well if my brother-in-law would go for it (she has a 2008 LG Steam washer which drives them crazy). I should probably offer them another nice BD set so they can sell their LGs while they still have value?

I think the sheer numbers of top loaders that are disposed of weekly would surprise us all. If even a small part of these are re-directed to rebuilders, there would probably be an ample supply. The smarter thing to do however might be to keep the top loaders from heading toward the recyclers in the first place.

What needs to happen, as I see it anyway, is to change the thinking of the big box stores which have an almost neurotic desire to keep all their haul-aways away from re-users like us (they foolishly think these machines are going to interfere with future sales of new machines) AND we need to re-educate consumers as a whole in the overall energy use (aka carbon footprint) that is involved in every step of replacing a machine. Focusing on just energy and water savings of the new machine alone does not account for nearly all the energies used.

In fact, many believe the most efficient option involving using or replacing a working T/L washer is to use it until it legimately requires replacement, and learn to use it efficiently. Disposing of a machine early often can consume as much overall energy as the new machine saves. People don't think about the energy it takes to source, build, and distribute a new machine, AND in the energy it takes to transport, dispose of, and recycle the old one.

There are a lot of opinions out there on the above, and every time I look at Craigslist I see ads that say "Upgraded to front loaders so we're selling these". If we had a dollar for each household that "upgraded" only to be unhappy later, I wonder how much money we'd have?

I think it would be fascinating to study how many consumers who have machines equipped with a Perm Press cycle, actually use that cycle on a regular basis, and thus estimate how much water and electricity (due to added drying time caused by slow spins) could be saved simply by switching many of those loads to the Regular or Normal cycle. I bet the savings amount would be staggering, and this could be done without making or buying anything...


Post# 526090 , Reply# 17   6/21/2011 at 17:43 (4,542 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Detergent Issues

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Not to drag this way off topic, but if detergents were made even less sudsy, the issue of poor rinsing would fade away. Having to measure detergent with a teaspoon is ridiculous.


Post# 526103 , Reply# 18   6/21/2011 at 18:53 (4,542 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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One option for these gray water rinse SQ's is to rig the it into a semi-automatic machine......for a one time wash, spin, off

set the timer for a full water level wash and spin.....and then reset again for a full water rinse and spin...

Post# 526165 , Reply# 19   6/22/2011 at 01:41 (4,542 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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It's a dismal picture. We ARE running low on both quantity and quality of piped water. Everywhere. I'm not particularly pleased to brush my teeth with what comes out of the tap here. It smells bad. It didn't growing up in this same region.

I'm perfectly satisfied with rinseability of my 97 FL, though it might could scrub better. But a TL with gray rinse followed by a piddle rinse? No. NO. A TL mangling clothes half filled? NOOOO!

What has this industry come to? I dare say there's not going to be any nostalgia for 2010 washers in 2050. Unless of course they just keep getting worse.

Post# 526170 , Reply# 20   6/22/2011 at 03:13 (4,542 days old) by chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)        
Speed Queen Commercial Washers....

In my current apartment building, my building's laundry is also equipped with Speed Queen Washers and Dryers. The three top loaders that we have charge $1.50 Per Load. And so far, the do the wash the proper way. They fill, wash, drain-spin with one spray during spin, and then do another deep fill, rinse and then drain-spin for the final time, though this time, there is no spray involved.

And I have to say so far that I am satisfied with the ones that we have. I hope that they keep these around for the duration (knock on wood). Though they're nothing like the Kenmores I used to use when I was renting my first apartment from my grandmother, they're turning out to be viable alternatives. If they should EVER feel the need to change the machines out, I hope they're sensible enough to put front loaders in there instead of these new Speed Queens you all are talking about.

If not, then even though the convenience factor of my not having to leave the apartment building is there for me to do my laundry, the neighborhood laundromat (the one I used to use when I was renting my apartment from my grandmother) is still there, and will be getting return business from me if I am not satisfied with the new Speed Queens my building management installs to replace the current ones.

Again, I hope the current Speed Queen top loaders that we have will be around for the forseeable future and for the duration.


Post# 526185 , Reply# 21   6/22/2011 at 06:32 (4,542 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
The Funny/Sad Thing IS...

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The casual user would never suspect the machine is behaving this way and could probably care less.


Post# 526239 , Reply# 22   6/22/2011 at 12:38 (4,542 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        
I have the Continental Girbau rebadged version of this washe

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... and it gives me the option of either cycle. It'c coin operated but has manual controls instead of the computer controls. I wanted the manual control for nostalgia purposes. I had no idea that the machine would even come with this "Energy Saving Cycle" option. The energy saving cycle is the grey water cycle but, luckily, the standard cycle is also selectable.

Post# 526333 , Reply# 23   6/22/2011 at 20:19 (4,541 days old) by kqkenmore (memphis tn)        
U.S. washer market right now that is buying top loaders to

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I am one of them I bought a Speed Queen top loader last year to replace 3 different front loaders that I had bought through Sears they were horrable. I thought about getting a front loader to go with my Speed Queen but I do not know now because the Speed Queen is very good and is faster than the front loader that it replaced. I bought my mother a Speed Queen top loader and when she can not use it I am going to put it in storage just for a back up.

Post# 526417 , Reply# 24   6/23/2011 at 08:18 (4,541 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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Me i know for a fact that when my duet washer go bye bye and no longer functions well i know for a fact that i will be going back to a top load washer with agitator

Post# 526444 , Reply# 25   6/23/2011 at 10:05 (4,541 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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The Speed Queens in my building's laundry room also do not drain the wash water completely, but merely drain out 2 gallon /8 litres of water and re-fill for a "rinse". Absolutely disgusting.

Considering the old Maytags down in the laundry room used to do TWO deep rinses, this is truly ridiculous.

Post# 526523 , Reply# 26   6/23/2011 at 15:41 (4,540 days old) by ryanm (New York)        

I can't imagine any machine not draining out the wash water completely, what are they thinking? I would never buy a machine that leaves dirty wash water in the tub to rinse with. What if you are washing with bleach, that means even the rinse water would have bleach in it. Does not make a bit of sense to me. Why not just have the option for 'spray rinse only' or 'deep rinse'? I would think that might satisfy the government requirements. Most folks purchasing a new machine today would not even know about this unless they read a forum such as this one, I know this was the first I had ever heard of this. I am very dissapointed that Speed Queen has chosen to go down this road, as I am very pleased with my Speed Queen top load washer....

Post# 526532 , Reply# 27   6/23/2011 at 17:11 (4,540 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Home Market

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I don't think this has spread to the home market yet, has it?


Post# 526533 , Reply# 28   6/23/2011 at 17:21 (4,540 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Home Market....

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Hi Malcolm,


I'm pretty sure it hasn't spread to the home market as yet......not until 2012? Danmantn knows more than i do.


I can safely say the SQ's on sale in Australia don't have this feature and it'll be interesting to see if SQ's sold on the Oz market next year will have this feature......considering our government regulations are no where near the same as yours....


What will be interesting to see is if SQ will keep a full deep rinse for Oz marketed machines from 2012, considering the current AWN552 which i just bought is programmed to do a neutral drain 'specifically' for the Australian market, whereas SQ's on sale in the US do a spin-drain.


Only time will tell....




Post# 526536 , Reply# 29   6/23/2011 at 17:34 (4,540 days old) by laundryshark (Cedar Rapids, Iowa)        
Jetz Service

This is the name of the vendor providing coin-op machines to our building.--Laundry Shark

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Post# 526558 , Reply# 30   6/23/2011 at 20:15 (4,540 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)        

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2013 is when the new govt reqs go into play. I spoke to someone at SQ and he seemed to suggest that may be the ultimate solution...but wouldn't comment other than..."unless we come up with something else..." Again, WP has been doing 1/2 rinses for a while...with the overide of "softener added" as I mentioned above. I told the guy that " is the time to get the last of the good top loaders" to which he chuckled, "yep".

So who knows...SQ use to have a link on their site to a news article where they were showing the new machines a few years ago...and the rep stated that the clothes were actually cleaner. At least you ca still adjust water levels..maybe they will have some ability to override gray water too. :). Stock up now.

Post# 526611 , Reply# 31   6/24/2011 at 06:20 (4,540 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
The Government

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I suppose this is the government's way of weening everyone towards front loaders.


Post# 526626 , Reply# 32   6/24/2011 at 09:34 (4,540 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
canadian market for washers and dryers

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me if i look at the canadian market aspecaly in my area because of something called the consummers 's protection office they will keep selling classic topload washers with agitators but as special orders i know for 1 thing if my aunt would ask me for advice on a new washer i would not recomend her to buy a front load washer.

Post# 531220 , Reply# 33   7/17/2011 at 18:47 (4,516 days old) by laundryshark (Cedar Rapids, Iowa)        
After Running our Queens Several Times...

Assuming my neighbor read it correctly, the model number on our coin-op machines is 1105000964. So far, my loads have come out as clean as from previous coin-op machines we have used. The key is not to overload and not to go overboard on soap, bleach, or other additives. Also, I have found the best way to administer fabric softener. You have to be on your toes and be available for the start of that second fill. When our new machines go into that one and only spin, they start the spray while the machine is still draining and before they are ramped up to full spin speed. To me, this does not allow the fabric softener to dissolve and mix properly with the load. So be on your toes and add the softener while the machine is doing that second fill after that partial drain. It's working decently enough for me. Again, always add the proper amount of fabric softener, and at the right time as described. If a load requires a rewash to rinse out all that stuff, then so be it for another "measely" $1.50. Again, the key is to not overload the machine, especially with heavy or very bulky items, such as bath towels or bed spreads.--Laundry Shark

Post# 531315 , Reply# 34   7/18/2011 at 05:34 (4,516 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

We ARE running low on both quantity and quality of piped water.

Speaking of this we just got a letter from our water authority. We have well water in our area and it's not too bad, no smells or discoloring. Last year they stated that all of our water comes from the well, which is 3,000 feet down.

This year the letter stated that our water is sourced from "lakes, rivers, streams, drainage ditches and road water runoff in addition to our well. This water had been naturally filtered by moving over gravel and rocks before dispensing."

They have GOT to be kidding? How does "naturally filtered by moving over gravel & rocks" remove oil and other chemicals found in drainage ditches?

We've been on bottled spring water for the past two years, looks like we are going to stay that way.

Post# 531881 , Reply# 35   7/20/2011 at 18:33 (4,513 days old) by queeny77 (BERWYN, ILLINOIS)        

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only the electrinic control machines wont let you choose the normal cycle but the machine with knobs will.what is the date of yours?the first 2 digits of the serial is the year

Post# 531887 , Reply# 36   7/20/2011 at 18:56 (4,513 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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And yall wonder why I hate top loaders.Especially today's versions. The only top loaders I would consider using are the LG/Kenmore/GE Harmony,or Samsungs.All made by LG.The stainless steel tubs and impellers are a lot better than the polly ones and the more you use them,the smoother they get.

Post# 531899 , Reply# 37   7/20/2011 at 19:57 (4,513 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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me i would never use a washer with an impaller if i buy a top load i will buy 1 with an agitator as for me with an agitator i would get optimal cleaning power. and it will be the model in the link and if i have to go vintage i will lol.

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Post# 531943 , Reply# 38   7/21/2011 at 04:31 (4,513 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Wow. Rinsing with wash water. My "wetnap" front-loader looks better to me all the time.

Post# 531948 , Reply# 39   7/21/2011 at 06:22 (4,513 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        

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I have never been a big fan of automatic dispensers in any machine.  They are all poor at staying clean and almost always require some type of routine cleaning program.  They are magnets for pink slime and mildew.  I try to use mine on my SQ as little as possible. 


I suppose the closest thing to the perfect dispenser I have found so far was on the GE Harmony machine.  I presume because the machine uses more water than a typical front loader, it cleans itself up better.


Michael - I would throw a new belt on the SQ and see if it improves the spin.  Was this one of the machines with the lowered hi water level?  Perhaps you raised it too much causing some spillover and edge rusting.  How old is this machine?  Out of warrantee?  If the machine leaks a bit because of the outer tub rust, you may be able to get it replaced.





Post# 532630 , Reply# 40   7/24/2011 at 18:28 (4,509 days old) by 76SpeedQueen (Orleans County Ny)        
no full rinse?

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I will take my old 1970's Speed Queen with Flotation Rinse anyday!

Post# 532775 , Reply# 41   7/25/2011 at 15:41 (4,508 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)        

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What is a flotation rinse?

Post# 532833 , Reply# 42   7/25/2011 at 21:13 (4,508 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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Flotation rinse light lit up anytime the washer SQ solid tub washer with that light would light up during the last minute or so of the wash cycle where the washer added water to overflow the washtub. This is how it got rid of lint and lighter than water soil. Then there was a pause and then the motor would reverse and spin the water up and over the top of the tub. Sediment was under the agitator and ejected out the tube. In the solid tub SQ washer I had growing up the tube was clogged. Never worked right and there was a sediment layer at the bottom of the tub. If we went to the beach then the sand stayed...had to vacuum that out more times than I care to admit.
The flotation rinse was also in the final rinse where it would fill while agitating the load for a couple of minutes.
Overall my experience with a SQ solid tub washer was the the first one lasted almost 10 years and the 2nd one 6 years. Keep in mind I did laundry for 7 people and the machine was running everyday. Washed well and rinsing was awesome. Spin dry was another story. The top of the load was well spun...the bottom not so much. The washer capacity was the "extra capacity" tub but when my parents bought the Maytag A510 to replace the SQ washer what a difference in capacity. The Maytag was huge!

Post# 536595 , Reply# 43   8/12/2011 at 15:02 (4,490 days old) by ingliscanada ()        
Isn't it ironic?

Once upon a time, SQ had one of the best rinses. The old ads claimed that the water was as clear as drinking water at the end of the cycle. Now this!!


Post# 536626 , Reply# 44   8/12/2011 at 19:40 (4,490 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Not to fear Malcolm

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Its on its way:  "Not to drag this way off topic, but if detergents were made even less sudsy, the issue of poor rinsing would fade away. Having to measure detergent with a teaspoon is ridiculous. "

Keep an eye out here  in the coming months!!

Post# 536627 , Reply# 45   8/12/2011 at 19:54 (4,490 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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I don't think sudsing per se is an indication of poor rinsing. A low- or non-sudsing detergent may just as well rinse poorly ... but there are no suds for a visual confirmation in it.

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