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Thread Number: 35139
Newer Speed Queen Comercial Model Top Loaders |
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| Post# 525730 , Reply# 1 6/20/2011 at 07:02 (4,864 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia) | ||
Sounds like the machine doesn't do a proper deep rinse with a full tub of fresh water, instead to make it more water efficient it pumps half the sudsy water out and tops up with fresh water doing a dilution wash. I would not add softener to this as you are mixing detergent and softener together, as for adding bleach I don't think a spray rinse before the final spin is sufficient to rinse the clothes properly.
With the importance of energy and water efficiency, top loaders don't work as well when you try to make them use less. Unlike front loaders they can still obtain excellent results using less water and energy, can rinse more times and still use less water than a top loader. | ||
Post# 525745 , Reply# 2 6/20/2011 at 08:03 (4,864 days old) by yogitunes  (New Jersey) |
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it's been nicknamed the "Gray Water Rinse".....which I really don't see a benefit....if it takes four minutes to fill for a normal wash, drain half and refill, thats two minutes, and then drain completely and spin, spraying water on the load for another two to four minutes before the faster final spin...just seems like it would use more water than a regular full fill wash and rinse......not sure on the exact specs...but this is what the contract/installers are complaining about....and their recommendations is they would not wash their own clothes in one of these...something to think about...
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| Post# 525796 , Reply# 3 6/20/2011 at 11:23 (4,864 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
HE Detergent | ||
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Post# 525800 , Reply# 4 6/20/2011 at 11:29 (4,864 days old) by mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham)) |
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| Post# 525832 , Reply# 5 6/20/2011 at 13:55 (4,864 days old) by dj-gabriele () | ||
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That really feel disgusting! I can't imagine how things can get rinsed enough! And I'm sure that they use more water than any standard front loader of similar capacity | ||
| Post# 525835 , Reply# 6 6/20/2011 at 13:59 (4,864 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA) | ||
 I used a new Maytag (whirlpool made) commercial washer when I was on a cruise ship a couple of weeks ago. The washer only filled 2/3 the way up. Several people complained they had detergent powder all over their clothes at the end of the cycle - and they charge $3 a wash! I was lucky in that I had only filled the washer half way, so my laundry was washed and rinsed okay for a TL washer. | ||
| Post# 525859 , Reply# 7 6/20/2011 at 16:23 (4,864 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California) | ||
I've used these new Speed Queens and yeah I wasn't impressed either. My clothes didn't feel properly rinsed at all, and I wasn't able to use the machines true capacity since they lowered the water level amounts. It was hardly worth the $1.75 per load I paid and needless to say, I won't be going back to that laundromat. I miss the previous model Speed Queens we used to have that the apartments. The digital models with the wavy vane agitator and a full regular cycle and full capacity usage. This may save water but, many people are going to be very unhappy with the end results of their laundry. And if they're going to have a spray rinse on the last spin, they should program it to happen while the machine is spinning at the top RPM, and at least a full minute long spray.
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| Post# 525860 , Reply# 8 6/20/2011 at 16:33 (4,864 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Xtra $$ for Xtra H20 | ||
| Post# 525868 , Reply# 9 6/20/2011 at 17:04 (4,864 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee) | ||
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Post# 525873 , Reply# 10 6/20/2011 at 17:23 (4,864 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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| Post# 525906 , Reply# 11 6/20/2011 at 19:37 (4,864 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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| Post# 525931 , Reply# 12 6/20/2011 at 22:26 (4,864 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee) | ||
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Post# 525990 , Reply# 13 6/21/2011 at 07:35 (4,863 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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LOW WATER USE SQ COMMERCIAL WASHERS Its too bad that WP has tied up the patents on the recirculated spray rinse system that they used on thier TL Resource Saver washers about 10 years ago. That system really worked and actually rinsed the load with 6 separate water changes that automatically adjusted to the amount of clothing in the washer, like a FLer does
If I was going the use these new CSQ for large or real dirty loads I would run the machine through two complete cycles adding FS to the rinse in the second cycles rinse if desired. I do believe that the washers can be reprogramed to give the regular deep rinse, so you could also complain to management and see if they will reprogram them. It would be better even if they raised the price to two dollars per load. | ||
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Post# 526015 , Reply# 14 6/21/2011 at 09:53 (4,863 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Personally, I would go out of my way not to use a machine that rinses like these Speed Queens do, in fact not only would I not use them unless I MUST, I would make sure the vendor who supplied the machines, the owner/operator of them, AND Speed Queen knew that I and hopefully others are taking the business elsewhere. If people are avoiding using them, the investment in them will take longer to recoup.
Whirlpool's current consumer DDs do the half-fill rinse, which shocks me. Fortunately rinse segments are short as compared to wash times, but that may finally earn these machines their old nick-name of "Shredmore" for real. The rinses use so little water that a label on the inside of the lid recommends diluting fabric softener in a full quart of water BEFORE adding it to the machine. Not happening in my house... I don't usually like to modify machines, but I am seriously thinking of purchasing one of these 2011 compliant DDs to find out what it takes to modify the wiring to fake-out the half-fill rinse. I am guessing the wash water level switch can be adjusted to provide a full tub at 'High' level for the wash as well. Gordon | ||
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Post# 526065 , Reply# 16 6/21/2011 at 14:55 (4,863 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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I don't know about a waiting list for machines overall in a marketplace, but we might see increased demand.
Actually if what a couple sales people have told me recently is really true, there is a filament of the U.S. washer market right now that is buying top loaders to replace front loaders they bought 5-10 years ago. I know of a couple people in that group who bought top loaders in 2010 to replace front loaders that they felt were unsatisfactory. I think my sister would be a willing entrant to the market as well if my brother-in-law would go for it (she has a 2008 LG Steam washer which drives them crazy). I should probably offer them another nice BD set so they can sell their LGs while they still have value? I think the sheer numbers of top loaders that are disposed of weekly would surprise us all. If even a small part of these are re-directed to rebuilders, there would probably be an ample supply. The smarter thing to do however might be to keep the top loaders from heading toward the recyclers in the first place. What needs to happen, as I see it anyway, is to change the thinking of the big box stores which have an almost neurotic desire to keep all their haul-aways away from re-users like us (they foolishly think these machines are going to interfere with future sales of new machines) AND we need to re-educate consumers as a whole in the overall energy use (aka carbon footprint) that is involved in every step of replacing a machine. Focusing on just energy and water savings of the new machine alone does not account for nearly all the energies used. In fact, many believe the most efficient option involving using or replacing a working T/L washer is to use it until it legimately requires replacement, and learn to use it efficiently. Disposing of a machine early often can consume as much overall energy as the new machine saves. People don't think about the energy it takes to source, build, and distribute a new machine, AND in the energy it takes to transport, dispose of, and recycle the old one. There are a lot of opinions out there on the above, and every time I look at Craigslist I see ads that say "Upgraded to front loaders so we're selling these". If we had a dollar for each household that "upgraded" only to be unhappy later, I wonder how much money we'd have? I think it would be fascinating to study how many consumers who have machines equipped with a Perm Press cycle, actually use that cycle on a regular basis, and thus estimate how much water and electricity (due to added drying time caused by slow spins) could be saved simply by switching many of those loads to the Regular or Normal cycle. I bet the savings amount would be staggering, and this could be done without making or buying anything... Gordon | ||
| Post# 526090 , Reply# 17 6/21/2011 at 17:43 (4,863 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Detergent Issues | ||
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Post# 526103 , Reply# 18 6/21/2011 at 18:53 (4,863 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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| Post# 526165 , Reply# 19 6/22/2011 at 01:41 (4,863 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea)) | ||
It's a dismal picture. We ARE running low on both quantity and quality of piped water. Everywhere. I'm not particularly pleased to brush my teeth with what comes out of the tap here. It smells bad. It didn't growing up in this same region.
I'm perfectly satisfied with rinseability of my 97 FL, though it might could scrub better. But a TL with gray rinse followed by a piddle rinse? No. NO. A TL mangling clothes half filled? NOOOO! What has this industry come to? I dare say there's not going to be any nostalgia for 2010 washers in 2050. Unless of course they just keep getting worse. | ||
| Post# 526185 , Reply# 21 6/22/2011 at 06:32 (4,863 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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The Funny/Sad Thing IS... | ||
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Post# 526239 , Reply# 22 6/22/2011 at 12:38 (4,862 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI) |
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I have the Continental Girbau rebadged version of this washe
... and it gives me the option of either cycle. It'c coin operated but has manual controls instead of the computer controls. I wanted the manual control for nostalgia purposes. I had no idea that the machine would even come with this "Energy Saving Cycle" option. The energy saving cycle is the grey water cycle but, luckily, the standard cycle is also selectable.
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| Post# 526333 , Reply# 23 6/22/2011 at 20:19 (4,862 days old) by kqkenmore (memphis tn) | ||
U.S. washer market right now that is buying top loaders to  I am one of them I bought a Speed Queen top loader last year to replace 3 different front loaders that I had bought through Sears they were horrable. I thought about getting a front loader to go with my Speed Queen but I do not know now because the Speed Queen is very good and is faster than the front loader that it replaced. I bought my mother a Speed Queen top loader and when she can not use it I am going to put it in storage just for a back up. | ||
| Post# 526417 , Reply# 24 6/23/2011 at 08:18 (4,861 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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Post# 526444 , Reply# 25 6/23/2011 at 10:05 (4,861 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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| Post# 526532 , Reply# 27 6/23/2011 at 17:11 (4,861 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Post# 526533 , Reply# 28 6/23/2011 at 17:21 (4,861 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia) |
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Home Market.... Hi Malcolm,
I'm pretty sure it hasn't spread to the home market as yet......not until 2012? Danmantn knows more than i do.
I can safely say the SQ's on sale in Australia don't have this feature and it'll be interesting to see if SQ's sold on the Oz market next year will have this feature......considering our government regulations are no where near the same as yours....
What will be interesting to see is if SQ will keep a full deep rinse for Oz marketed machines from 2012, considering the current AWN552 which i just bought is programmed to do a neutral drain 'specifically' for the Australian market, whereas SQ's on sale in the US do a spin-drain.
Only time will tell....
Cheers Leon | ||
| Post# 526536 , Reply# 29 6/23/2011 at 17:34 (4,861 days old) by laundryshark (Cedar Rapids, Iowa) | ||
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Jetz Service This is the name of the vendor providing coin-op machines to our building.--Laundry Shark CLICK HERE TO GO TO laundryshark's LINK | ||
| Post# 526558 , Reply# 30 6/23/2011 at 20:15 (4,861 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee) | ||
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2013 is when the new govt reqs go into play. I spoke to someone at SQ and he seemed to suggest that may be the ultimate solution...but wouldn't comment other than..."unless we come up with something else..." Again, WP has been doing 1/2 rinses for a while...with the overide of "softener added" as I mentioned above. I told the guy that "...now is the time to get the last of the good top loaders" to which he chuckled, "yep".
So who knows...SQ use to have a link on their site to a news article where they were showing the new machines a few years ago...and the rep stated that the clothes were actually cleaner. At least you ca still adjust water levels..maybe they will have some ability to override gray water too. :). Stock up now. | ||
| Post# 526611 , Reply# 31 6/24/2011 at 06:20 (4,861 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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| Post# 526626 , Reply# 32 6/24/2011 at 09:34 (4,860 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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canadian market for washers and dryers
me if i look at the canadian market aspecaly in my area because of something called the consummers 's protection office they will keep selling classic topload washers with agitators but as special orders i know for 1 thing if my aunt would ask me for advice on a new washer i would not recomend her to buy a front load washer.
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| Post# 531881 , Reply# 35 7/20/2011 at 18:33 (4,834 days old) by queeny77 (BERWYN, ILLINOIS) | ||
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| Post# 531887 , Reply# 36 7/20/2011 at 18:56 (4,834 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii) | ||
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| Post# 531899 , Reply# 37 7/20/2011 at 19:57 (4,834 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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me i would never use a washer with an impaller if i buy a top load i will buy 1 with an agitator as for me with an agitator i would get optimal cleaning power. and it will be the model in the link and if i have to go vintage i will lol.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO pierreandreply4's LINK | ||
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Post# 531943 , Reply# 38 7/21/2011 at 04:31 (4,834 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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| Post# 531948 , Reply# 39 7/21/2011 at 06:22 (4,834 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Dispensers I have never been a big fan of automatic dispensers in any machine. They are all poor at staying clean and almost always require some type of routine cleaning program. They are magnets for pink slime and mildew. I try to use mine on my SQ as little as possible.
I suppose the closest thing to the perfect dispenser I have found so far was on the GE Harmony machine. I presume because the machine uses more water than a typical front loader, it cleans itself up better.
Michael - I would throw a new belt on the SQ and see if it improves the spin. Was this one of the machines with the lowered hi water level? Perhaps you raised it too much causing some spillover and edge rusting. How old is this machine? Out of warrantee? If the machine leaks a bit because of the outer tub rust, you may be able to get it replaced.
Malcolm
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| Post# 532630 , Reply# 40 7/24/2011 at 18:28 (4,830 days old) by 76SpeedQueen (Orleans County Ny) | ||
no full rinse? | ||
| Post# 532775 , Reply# 41 7/25/2011 at 15:41 (4,829 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee) | ||
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Post# 532833 , Reply# 42 7/25/2011 at 21:13 (4,829 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) |
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Flotation rinse light lit up anytime the washer SQ solid tub washer with that light would light up during the last minute or so of the wash cycle where the washer added water to overflow the washtub. This is how it got rid of lint and lighter than water soil. Then there was a pause and then the motor would reverse and spin the water up and over the top of the tub. Sediment was under the agitator and ejected out the tube. In the solid tub SQ washer I had growing up the tube was clogged. Never worked right and there was a sediment layer at the bottom of the tub. If we went to the beach then the sand stayed...had to vacuum that out more times than I care to admit.
The flotation rinse was also in the final rinse where it would fill while agitating the load for a couple of minutes. Overall my experience with a SQ solid tub washer was the the first one lasted almost 10 years and the 2nd one 6 years. Keep in mind I did laundry for 7 people and the machine was running everyday. Washed well and rinsing was awesome. Spin dry was another story. The top of the load was well spun...the bottom not so much. The washer capacity was the "extra capacity" tub but when my parents bought the Maytag A510 to replace the SQ washer what a difference in capacity. The Maytag was huge! | ||
| Post# 536595 , Reply# 43 8/12/2011 at 15:02 (4,811 days old) by ingliscanada () | ||
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Isn't it ironic? Once upon a time, SQ had one of the best rinses. The old ads claimed that the water was as clear as drinking water at the end of the cycle. Now this!! Gary | ||
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Post# 536626 , Reply# 44 8/12/2011 at 19:40 (4,811 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Not to fear Malcolm | ||
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Post# 536627 , Reply# 45 8/12/2011 at 19:54 (4,811 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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