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Post# 527376   6/28/2011 at 15:53 (4,678 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi all.

I recently managed to acquire a copy of what I think is the 1963 brochure for Hotpoint's offerings.

It really is a superb brochure, full of information, diagrams and wonderful photographs of their machines.

Have also come into possession of some wonderful photographs of Hotpoints offerings, made to the UK's public via the pages of the KAYS Catalogue Company.

Happy viewing...





Post# 527377 , Reply# 1   6/28/2011 at 15:55 (4,678 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hotpoints 1st automatic, in the form of the Model 1500 'AUTOMATIC' - the machine that started off 30 odd years of Hotpoint toploader production...

Post# 527378 , Reply# 2   6/28/2011 at 15:58 (4,678 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Learnt something new, when reading all the info on this machine.
I never knew that the 1500 spun at 850rpm - always assumed that they spun at 1050rpm, like all the other subsequent models did.

Had always wondered what the difference was between the 1500 and its visually identical replacement, in the form of the 1501.
Maybe it was the 1501 that ushered in the 1050rpm spin?


Post# 527380 , Reply# 3   6/28/2011 at 15:59 (4,678 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

The Hotpoint 1420 Supermatic...

Post# 527381 , Reply# 4   6/28/2011 at 16:01 (4,678 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Again something learnt - the 1420 appears to have been equipped with the Empress/Countess agitator and NOT the spiralator!

Post# 527382 , Reply# 5   6/28/2011 at 16:01 (4,678 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

The Countess and Empress...

Post# 527383 , Reply# 6   6/28/2011 at 16:02 (4,678 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

the info...

Post# 527384 , Reply# 7   6/28/2011 at 16:04 (4,678 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

The spinner and wringerless Countess.

Note how the lady has her hand strategically placed over the capped off hole, where the wringer would normally be slotted (I assume it was capped off)...


Post# 527385 , Reply# 8   6/28/2011 at 16:04 (4,678 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

info...

Post# 527386 , Reply# 9   6/28/2011 at 16:06 (4,678 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
Sure to create some debate...

The arguments for and against the various washing methods...

Post# 527387 , Reply# 10   6/28/2011 at 16:07 (4,678 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
Having a pop...

...at the other manufacturers!

Wonder who they are????


Post# 527388 , Reply# 11   6/28/2011 at 16:08 (4,678 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

The Hotpoint 'no tangle' action...

Post# 527389 , Reply# 12   6/28/2011 at 16:10 (4,678 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Clearly specifies the 1420 as having the same agitator as the Countess and Empress.

Seems that the first spiralator-ed was model 1450 and not the 1420 - unless it was replaced part way through the production run?


Post# 527390 , Reply# 13   6/28/2011 at 16:11 (4,678 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Some superb cutaway drawings...

Post# 527391 , Reply# 14   6/28/2011 at 16:11 (4,678 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
When things go wrong....

Hotpoint Service

Post# 527392 , Reply# 15   6/28/2011 at 16:12 (4,678 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Back cover...

Post# 527393 , Reply# 16   6/28/2011 at 16:13 (4,678 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Better pic of the 1500 cutaway drawing...

Post# 527394 , Reply# 17   6/28/2011 at 16:14 (4,678 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Likewise, with the 1420 Supermatic...

Post# 527402 , Reply# 18   6/28/2011 at 17:00 (4,678 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        
Frothing, indeed.

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Speaking for all of the Yanks that treasure Hotpoints:

 

When an Englishman scans and posts vintage brochures, especially ones as beautiful as these, the gates of New Jerusalem swing wide open to honor and to welcome as Leontine a soul as yours. 79 virgins are also waiting for you in an alternate reality.

 

Much obliged.


Post# 527407 , Reply# 19   6/28/2011 at 17:21 (4,678 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Hotpoint Spiralator

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Oh My Paul. you can rely on Hotpoint for detail, and those diagrams give so much detail with simplicity!!!...So they wernt too bothered about identifying other "Inferior Wash Systems! ...That Black Agi looks FAB if it ever was produced..at least we found the turquoise model...



Post# 527408 , Reply# 20   6/28/2011 at 17:23 (4,678 days old) by liberator1509 (Ireland)        
Fantastic!

Hi Paul

Thanks so much for posting this - really a great find, and it brings back memories of the brochure we had from 1968 when my parents bought their 1502 - it is (alas) since lost. News to me as well that the 1500 was only 850rpm, though I wonder if this was an early or pre-production catalogue? 1963 seems a year too early for the 1500. Apart from updated styling, and the new Supermatic, the catalogue is almost identical to the 1968 version - I remember pouring over the cutaways for hours!!

Interesting to observe just how well engineered the 1500 was, with double bracing on the chassis, the enormous 4-pole motor and cast-iron counter balance...a far cry from the 9605 of 35 years later, with everything engineered down to price...

Brilliant find - thank you!

D :-)

PS - loving the beehives and the little punches at the competition! (Duck and cover for the Keymatic-fan rebuff)


Post# 527424 , Reply# 21   6/28/2011 at 19:03 (4,678 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
For those that may know...!

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Did the agitator in the twin tub become the spiraclean when the tub became round instead of square?

Also does anyone remember a similar twin tub to the supermatic but instead of a filter tray it had a brush in a plastic tube protruding from the back right corner of the tub??? if you do what was it?

Austin


Post# 527500 , Reply# 22   6/29/2011 at 02:14 (4,677 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Thanks Paul for posting this fantastic post.

Lee


Post# 527503 , Reply# 23   6/29/2011 at 02:47 (4,677 days old) by keymatic (London / UK)        

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Hi Paul, thank you for scanning the brochure, unfortunately i have been sooo lazy, since moving to Reading and haven't obtained a new printer/scanner yet, otherwise i would have scanned the same brochure i obtained a few weeks ago. I think it is the best brochure Hotpoint produced, so informative.

The only thing I really can't understand with the new supermatic in the brochure is on the early models of the 1420, they reverted back to the filter clean nozzle & valve box on the side of the wash tub, this is where you were mean't to empty the wash tub from and not from the nozzle, however on the later 1400's, this was the preferred method of emptying via the nozzle. I have the instruction booklets for both 1400 & 1420, and both recommend this way. The empty via the box came about on the first Supermatic's as the filter clean nozzle was not made of plastic but a kind of reinforced rubber, and would not have held a hose being pushed on to it.

Thanks again for the scans, they are great.
Keith


Post# 527505 , Reply# 24   6/29/2011 at 02:52 (4,677 days old) by keymatic (London / UK)        

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Hi Austin,

In reply to your message regarding a similar twin tub with a brush filter, it was the English Electric Liberator Twin of the late 60's. This had as you mention a push in tube which had a box on the end of it which held a brush inside. This machine was very similar in styling to the Hotpoint 1450.

Regards
Keith


Post# 527523 , Reply# 25   6/29/2011 at 04:24 (4,677 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
Keith

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Thank you for your reply I was not aware of English Electrics version so what about the Spiraclean agitator was that changed when Hotpoint changed the tub shape?

Austin


Post# 527524 , Reply# 26   6/29/2011 at 04:25 (4,677 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
"the little punches at the competition!"

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Hi David, yes...I wonder if they could have gotten away with it today?? well of all the nuerve - have never heard of Servis as frothing...unless you turn the wash pump on...LOl

Post# 527525 , Reply# 27   6/29/2011 at 04:30 (4,677 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Brush Filter

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Hi Austin, the model as Keith says was the English Electric twinny, and bright red at that - heres Kevins example, but missing the brush filter....

Post# 527526 , Reply# 28   6/29/2011 at 04:36 (4,677 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
Well done !

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Thats the one I remember it now ! I converted one of those into a filter tray as the brush had worn out it meant removing a spout of a broken hotty and putting it under the console it took a while but I did it and also changed the agitator it was still going in 83 when it was sold on by its owner.

Austin


Post# 527528 , Reply# 29   6/29/2011 at 05:13 (4,677 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Types of Agitator

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Did change over time, the leaflet infers that Empress, Countess & twinnys would be all the same, but the Empress with the Hex Tub and more squarer fins it had the more currents (IMHO), saying that the mini Princess has the same agi as the countess and with the smaller tub doesnt half wash with force..

Post# 527529 , Reply# 30   6/29/2011 at 05:34 (4,677 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Awaiting

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The Return of the Hotpoint 1501 which is at Marks workshop being overhauled, little hole in the outer vitreous tub and general service...

Post# 527560 , Reply# 31   6/29/2011 at 08:29 (4,677 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland)        
Amazing brochure Paul!

Delight to look at indeed. Some new thing's to learn about too and those cutaway's are outstanding. Shame no 1420's are known to exist, would be interesting to see what difference the "Powder Clutch" made in terms of relief on the motor and noise etc.

The blue "Filter Pan" is lovely as is the black "Spiraclean". The blue "Spiraclean" is nice too though!

Paul you have an email too.

James.


Post# 527608 , Reply# 32   6/29/2011 at 13:08 (4,677 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)        
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for posting that brochure Paul. I to assumed the 1500 spun at 1050rpm.

Post# 527618 , Reply# 33   6/29/2011 at 14:04 (4,677 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

No worries Ken - glad that the brochure has proved an interesting read.

Always aim to please.

Paul


Post# 527620 , Reply# 34   6/29/2011 at 14:11 (4,677 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi Mike.

Totally agree with you about the brochure. Laden with information and character, have to say that it is one of my faves.

Certainly seems that they went politely for the jugular of the other manufacturers, but without offering them any free advertising by naming them. Though the word 'zones' does get dropped in there.

But as I say, done ever so politely.
Paul


Post# 527621 , Reply# 35   6/29/2011 at 14:17 (4,677 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi David

You are probably right about 1964, though am sure that this was a production brochure.

Introduction dates for the early machines are difficult to come by because these are the machines for which service manuals are a tad elusive.
Even the later ones, with their tendency to be updates and cover many of the older models, fail to mention the 1500, 1501 and 1502.
Sufficiently different to not warrant inclusion with the likes of the 1504, 1507 and 1518?

As a result I have the date 1963 in my spreadsheet for the 1500 and 1964/65 for the 1501, though it probably should read 1964 for the 1500 and 1965 for the 1501.

When Mike gets his 1501 back from Mark, it will be interseting to try and fathom its spin spped - 850rpm or 1050rpm? - and get the date code off it too!

Paul


Post# 527627 , Reply# 36   6/29/2011 at 14:29 (4,677 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi Austin.

Cant ask his permission, as I dont think that Kevin is a member on here, but over the last few years I have accumulated some other pictures of his EE 4151 Liberator Twin Tub.

Certainly looks different for its red agitator - I never knew it had a brush to catch the fluff though, as always assumed that it just had a red filter tray.
More new stuff learnt!

Anyway - piccies below....


Post# 527628 , Reply# 37   6/29/2011 at 14:32 (4,677 days old) by aquarius8000 ()        

Hotpoint automatic is a manualin my collection. 1969 my gran owned before her supermatic.

Post# 527630 , Reply# 38   6/29/2011 at 14:38 (4,677 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi Keith.

My computer cannot stand my scanner - takes hours to scan a handful of pages, as my geriatric computer builds the pages line by bloomin line. Ohhhh the agony.

As such, I tend to photograph my brochures and tend to get better results than scanning them. Not being a dab hand with the scanner, when I have indulged I always manage to get awful colour contrast, as well as seeing the grain of the paper and also seeing traces of whats on the other side of the page.

So I simply set my camera to detail setting and try to make sure that I have a constant, equal supply of normal daylight. The results are what you see with the eye which, as far as I am concerned, is a lot more pleasing.
Artificial light is a no no, as it casts an awful orange glow on the page.

A lot more quicker than scanning - for me at any rate.


I have some exploded diagrams of the 1400 and 1420 in my files - will try and photograph them to see what set up they had for emptying.
Will try and post them soon.

Paul






Post# 527631 , Reply# 39   6/29/2011 at 14:40 (4,677 days old) by liberator1509 (Ireland)        
Square tub Supermatic

To answer Austin, the supermatic evolved once more after this model, to the style that formed the basis for the entire production through to the final 9-series models. That model arrived circa 1968 (others will know the model number and date, and Mike and Jon, amongst others no doubt, have examples) introduced the round tub and spiraclean agitator (and a 7lb wash load, but still a 6lb spin can - Mike and other Servis fans will note that Servis made much about this mis-match in their advertising....). Quite why Hotpoint produced both the spiraclean and the earlier maytag-style gyrator simultaneously could probably be explained by planned phasing out of the wringer models - which were gone by the about 6 years later, whereas the Supermatic (and the flagship automatic) were made for many more years.

The english electric was a later derivative (of the 1968 model I believe), and dated from the GEC takeover of both AEI and English Electric in 1968 - I can't imagine many of that form were made, as the english electric brand was dropped in the early 1970s with the introduction Hotpoint Liberators. Prior to 1968, EE was totally separate brand from Hotpoint, and IIRC their twintub was an impeller model - after the introduction of the Hotpoint Liberators, the EE brand was dropped save the occasional outing as a 'special' for particular stores.


Post# 527632 , Reply# 40   6/29/2011 at 14:40 (4,677 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland)        
EE 4151 Twin Tub

Never saw pic's of that one in detail. The lids are lovely.

Since we are chatting about early Hotpoint history, I have something to ask and solve for the final time.

Before 1970/1, in Ireland what names were Hotpoint sold under and were there different model numbers etc.? Maybe some models weren't even sold here. I want to know for certain now so that I can be specific in what I'm looking for. I assume EE never made it here and that across the border in NI all was the same as the UK?
Is it possible that Co. Donegal had exclusive access to the Hotpoint brand since it was a stones throw from NI?

Sorry to appear to be hijacking?

James.


Post# 527633 , Reply# 41   6/29/2011 at 14:41 (4,677 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Lee, James and Paul.

Glad that the brochure has proved an interesting read. Some other piccies of machines under discussion to come shortly.

Much like this....


Post# 527636 , Reply# 42   6/29/2011 at 14:44 (4,677 days old) by aquarius8000 ()        

#39 is defo grans machine! She said it lasted years and only had the bowl replaced!

Post# 527640 , Reply# 43   6/29/2011 at 14:47 (4,677 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi Christopher.

The machine that your gran owned was a Hotpoint 1502 Automatic, which was introduced around 1967 and lasted in production until the 1504 Automatic de luxe came along in September 1969.

There is one model 1502 in safe hands, but its in storage for a rainy day restoration.

Thanks for posting the covers of your grans instruction manual.
Paul



Post# 527641 , Reply# 44   6/29/2011 at 14:48 (4,677 days old) by liberator1509 (Ireland)        
Hotpoint in Ireland

Hi James

Prior to the GEC takeover, AEI-Hotpoint models were sold as Gala in all export markets including Ireland (to do with the name licence from GE - not of course to be confused with GEC either). In New Zeland, the automatic design was licenced to Fisher-Paykel who manufactured variations on it for years, using Kelivnator and other brand names. My parents had a Gala 1502 - all the model names were the same, except that the Supermatic was called Filtermatic here.

All the 1960 washers were sold here, the only model that didn't appear here as a Gala was the supermatic-derived spin-dryer (I think that was post 1968 anyway).

English Electric were also sold here, my Aunt had a Liberator front-loader, later replaced with an early Hotpoint Liberator FL.


Post# 527643 , Reply# 45   6/29/2011 at 14:52 (4,677 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Christopher.

Would have helped if I had read the bumpffff a bit more - seems that model 1502 was introduced in 1966, seeing as it won the design award.
I've learnt another new snippet of info - over to the spreadsheet to update.

Paul


Post# 527645 , Reply# 46   6/29/2011 at 14:58 (4,677 days old) by aquarius8000 ()        

thanks paul ever so much. panel page of larger book.

And the one 1502 yours?


Post# 527646 , Reply# 47   6/29/2011 at 14:59 (4,677 days old) by Keymatic (London / UK)        

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Hi Paul,
I noted your point about taking pic's instead of trying to scan items !!

Luv the pic of the 1420 you have uploaded, is it from a brochure or a single picture ?

Look forward to the scans of the 1420, I have the service manual and it shows the valve box.

Like ya 1502, didn't know you had one.
Keith


Post# 527649 , Reply# 48   6/29/2011 at 15:08 (4,677 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

No worries Christopher.

Glad that we are able to provide info on an old family machine.

The 'one 1502' - mine - No.
Though have to contact its owner soon - will ask about it!

Paul


Post# 527651 , Reply# 49   6/29/2011 at 15:13 (4,677 days old) by aquarius8000 ()        
great

Would love to come to a washin and examine it lol. how much are my manuals worth at estimate?

Post# 527652 , Reply# 50   6/29/2011 at 15:13 (4,677 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
It has to be said...

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Folks on here are an amazing wealth of information for which I thank you all..!

Austin


Post# 527654 , Reply# 51   6/29/2011 at 15:15 (4,677 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi Keith,

Yep - detailed photography of brochures really works for me. Much better than scanning though, as well as getting the light right, you also have to try and get the camera straight on for each page photographed or else you know about it.

One area where it falls is with the edges of the page which can be seen to curve with the perspective.
Lifting the camera higher above the page will lessen this, though then you have to adjust the size setting to avoid getting the actual page too small in the photo.
Nothing is ever simple! lol.

Re the 1502 - no not my machine, but have just texted the owner to enquire as to its status. See what he says!


Post# 527660 , Reply# 52   6/29/2011 at 15:33 (4,677 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Just gone and done a quick bit of research re the introduction date of the 1502 and am minded to put it back to 1967!

Reason 1 - KAYS Catalogue Autumn Winter 1966-67 was still flogging the 1501.
Reason 2 - KAYS Catalogue Spring Summer 1967 was flogging the 1502.
&
Reason 3 - the advert below, showing the 1501......


Post# 527661 , Reply# 53   6/29/2011 at 15:37 (4,677 days old) by Keymatic (London / UK)        

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Hi Paul,
Thanks for the additional pic's of the 1501 & 1420. I take it this is a page from a mail order catalogue.
I have a friend who use to work for Hotpoint and his mother apparently has a 1420, no longer in use,but he thinks it is fab and don't think it is up for re-homing :(
but never say never.
Hope the 1502 comes your way soon !
Keith


Post# 527664 , Reply# 54   6/29/2011 at 15:46 (4,677 days old) by Keymatic (London / UK)        

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....a wee advert for the 1502

Post# 527669 , Reply# 55   6/29/2011 at 16:27 (4,677 days old) by keymatic3203 (Cardiff UK)        
Enjoying the thread

Thanks for uploading the pictures Paul, and all the information your're all shareing.

Hi David, good to hear from you, your 1509 is still safe and snug in its packing.

Yes the knocking the competion, seemed to be a national sport back then, and not so subtle either `lazy wishy washy' lol. But joking aside, they are geat machines, and that supermatic spinner has to be seen to be believed, 0 to 2850 in a few seconds.

James, I am also interested in this powder clutch, seeing how the 1420 is essentially the 1400 with a new streamlined cabinet, going by the sectional view.
The spinner is a direct drive off the induction motor, no clutch is used. Though it does have an integral brake on the motor shaft, that uses the motor thrust to release it when the motor starts and the drums thrust to apply it when the motor is switched off, and a very effective break it is too. Keith, can you shed any light on this, I've wondered for ages how this would work, and which model was it used on.

Just a couple of other observations.

I see the english electric twintub, had the flared end on the drain hose as used on the automatics, so no suds return hole as the defuser end wouldn't fit in.

And way up in one of the first photos of the 1420, i spy a hoover iron ready and waiting lol.

Oh and yes would be great to get these machines and us lot together one day.

But for now enjoy the pictures.

Mathew
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Post# 527672 , Reply# 56   6/29/2011 at 16:40 (4,677 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
OMG Keith!

Hi Keith.

Many thanks for posting the adverts for the 1502. Its a superb piece of info for one of the more obscure versions of the Hotpoint toploaders.

Paul


Post# 527673 , Reply# 57   6/29/2011 at 16:45 (4,677 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
The KAYS Catalogue Archive!!!!!!!

Hi again Keith.


Yep - the pictures I have recently posted are from KAYS catalogues and are as of a consequence of visiting The KAYS Catalogue Archive, which is held at the University of Worcester.

The archive is available for research visits and all you need to do to visit is contact them and arrange a date and time.
They are really helpful and are eager for people to visit them and use the resource, as it enables them to justify expenditure on it.

So, to everyone, if you want to visit just get in touch with them!
Link attached below.

Paul


CLICK HERE TO GO TO matchboxpaul's LINK


Post# 527675 , Reply# 58   6/29/2011 at 16:47 (4,677 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
The KAYS Cataloge Archive - more info...

And below is a link to the heritage group, which owns the catalogue collection....

CLICK HERE TO GO TO matchboxpaul's LINK


Post# 527676 , Reply# 59   6/29/2011 at 16:51 (4,677 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hiya Mathew.

I noticed the Hoover iron too :-)
Made me chortle a bit.

Paul


Post# 527678 , Reply# 60   6/29/2011 at 16:54 (4,677 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland)        
Powder Clutch...

The 1420 definately does have a clutch snuck in there somewhere. Engineers say it was quite an unreliable piece of kit. Instead of shoes there were carbon granules housed in disc shape and since the spin tub and bellows was prone to leaking the water seeped in and solidified the granules rendering it useless. I do believe our most cherished and wanted machines are out there but we just have to be patient and go hunting. Folk over here do like to hide stuff in sheds.

James.


Post# 527683 , Reply# 61   6/29/2011 at 17:44 (4,677 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
English Electric 4151

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Just been discussing this with Paul and I knew there was a photo somewhere, I first saw this machine when I was 8 in 1969, I was with my nan visiting her friend, who was MIL of Nans eldest daughter, (my Aunty Margaret - Hoovermatic 3309, Keymatic 3243)this model was under the stairs next to a small kitchen, I looked inside and saw the vivid RED Agi & Brush Filter, the turquoise steel lids where gleaming!!

Question for Ozzie - What colour was the Brush Filter in your machine?? because the one I saw matched the agi - RED



Post# 527692 , Reply# 62   6/29/2011 at 18:10 (4,677 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
Ahh Mike now your asking...!

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I am sure it was white at least what was left of it was as it had hardly and bristles left when I got to see it.

Austin


Post# 527763 , Reply# 63   6/30/2011 at 02:48 (4,676 days old) by keymatic (London / UK)        

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...With regards to the English Electric 4151, this was not the first Liberator twin, it was first produced in about 65' this model had a square wash tub, very similar to the 1420 that was on sale at the time.
Thinking about it, the two machines were vertually identical, however the EE used the valve box as the brush filter entry as there was no filter clean tray.
I will dig out a picture when i get home.
English machines are just the best, with such great styling !! Thanks for the link Paul.
Cheers
Keith


Post# 527774 , Reply# 64   6/30/2011 at 05:00 (4,676 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi keith.

Thanks again for the 1502 advert - made my evening seeing that!

Re the 4151 EE Liberator Twin:
any info gratefully received. I had never heard of the alternative fluff collection set up and had never noticed the apparatus on the picture before (the one that Mike posted).

Chin wagging with Mike last night, we threw up the possibility that the 4151 was possibly a spare parts box machine, employing old style components that would have been intended for 1420's?

Interesting stuff! Will try and dig out the exploded diagrams tonight and get some photos of them.

Paul
p.s do reitterate every now and then to your friend that, were his mums 1420 ever come up for disposal, that you would be interested in it! Be a disaster were it to be deliered to the council.


Post# 527810 , Reply# 65   6/30/2011 at 08:07 (4,676 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Hotpoint 1502

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Brochure - this was the first Hotpoint TL with the smaller inset door

Post# 527812 , Reply# 66   6/30/2011 at 08:15 (4,676 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Hotpoint

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Had its own Industrial Design Team which was headed up in the 60`s by Oliver Hill, this benefitted the company enormously as they didnt have to hire in key figures like others companys did......Own Grown Success.....Always the best!!!

Post# 527815 , Reply# 67   6/30/2011 at 08:17 (4,676 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Page 2

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Post# 527829 , Reply# 68   6/30/2011 at 09:59 (4,676 days old) by liberator1509 (Ireland)        

Hi again all!

Loving this thread - and all those pics of the 1502 especially (thanks Mike and Keith) - brings me back!

Keith - do you know what form the EE twin tub took before the AEI/EE/GEC merger in 1968 - presumably EE weren't outsourcing it to Hotpoint?

D :-)


Post# 527845 , Reply# 69   6/30/2011 at 11:41 (4,676 days old) by aquarius8000 ()        
thank you all for your support guys,

I find this info realy useful. super those were and where do you guys get all this super knowlige from?

Post# 527850 , Reply# 70   6/30/2011 at 12:03 (4,676 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Loving it.

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Excellent post. Totally fascinating pics & information.

Post# 527863 , Reply# 71   6/30/2011 at 13:15 (4,676 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
"where do you guys get all this super knowlige from? 

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From mainly taking an active interest in reading brochures/manuals, actually using/repairing machines and then coming here and having discussions like this thread, and keeping in touch with other local collectors restorers etc....also tapping into your local repair stores and engineers which are fast becoming obsolete...

Always feel free and dont be intimidated about asking questions etc...I`ve found out lots of new information from this thread as well, its the way we all learn!!!


Post# 527865 , Reply# 72   6/30/2011 at 13:27 (4,676 days old) by aquarius8000 ()        
I strongly agree

have learnt so much about my candy aquamatic 3 here and I again thank you for yout support.

RE the washers
cant guarantee anything about scanning but see if this works,A scan of the panel page.


Post# 527875 , Reply# 73   6/30/2011 at 13:54 (4,676 days old) by Keymatic (London / UK)        

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Hi Paul, David & all,

Paul I am starting to think that your theroy maybe right about the "Spare parts box machine"..I maybe wrong but it is becoming very apparent that most of English Electric twin tubs were mop up machines for Hotpoint.

It would have been very easy for EE to run off different control panels, lids and the odd quirky thing like the red agitator on the 4151. The elements are basically the same though. The below picture is of the first EE Liberator Twin Tub, and dates from February 1966. Yes, the control panel text is different, and the lids are different to the 1420, but the machine is basically the same.

Mike, that double spread of the 1502 in the Hotpoint brochure is fab !!

The thread is really good and enjoying it, keep it up.
Keith


Post# 527898 , Reply# 74   6/30/2011 at 16:06 (4,676 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi Keith.

Thanks for the Liberator Twin advert! I had forgotten that they did do the earlier version and it is still very reminiscent of the fabled 1420.

I wnet and had a look at the pics of English Electric twin tubs that I had accumulated and found a picture of the above machine, with the filter thingymejig in view.
Again, I had never noticed it before - dont know from where I got the picture from, so cant thank its original owner...


Post# 527899 , Reply# 75   6/30/2011 at 16:08 (4,676 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
More from KAYS...

The 1450 Supermatic, along with the 1502 again, but with some blurb...

Post# 527900 , Reply# 76   6/30/2011 at 16:11 (4,676 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
and less automated...

model 1200 Countess
model 10?? pump spinner
&
model 1006 gravity spinner...


Post# 527901 , Reply# 77   6/30/2011 at 16:16 (4,676 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
So

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The above machine wash the 2nd English Electric twintub, the first being the TwinStar??

and we now see the Hotpoint style agi in the above machine and in Kevins machine we see the new RED agi which to my eyes looks plastic with flared vanes that obtrude over the baseplate and that almost look like the Vari-Flex US models??

Fascinating!!


Post# 527902 , Reply# 78   6/30/2011 at 16:31 (4,676 days old) by keymatic3203 (Cardiff UK)        
James

you are obviously correct about the 1420 haveing a clutch, My thoughts were from obsevations of the sectional view, being as the 1400 didn't have a clutch, I don't really see why they needed one, the 1400s motor has more than enough power to cope with the start up loads. I'd always assumed and probably wrongly that the powder clutch was part of a belt drive as in the subsequent models, prior to the centrifugal clutch of the 1450 onwards.

My only other thought and it's only a thought as I'm typing was it more to do with braking rather than torque transmision, as with no interlock back then it would have had to stop the drum from 2850 to rest in was it 10 seconds back then. I would enjoy seeing some exploded views or parts diagrams to fully get this component worked out in my mind.

Great thread, I'm enjoying all this fabulous litrature and advertising. It's enough to make me fancy sorting out my electra (hotpoint) twin tub, just there several Hoovers to be restored first (cue the comments lol).

all the best

Mathew


Post# 527916 , Reply# 79   6/30/2011 at 17:56 (4,676 days old) by liberator1509 (Ireland)        
Pre 1968 Hotpoint-English Electric

Hi all - how great that this thread is still going strong - just like a Hotpoint (duck and cover...)

Keith - thanks for the info on the 1966 Liberator Twin - that is really interesting, as it pre-dates both the GEC-AEI and the GEC English Electric mergers (1967 and 1968 respectively), so EE must have 'sub-contracting' to AEI-Hotpoint. There had been an attempt by EE to acquire AEI a year or two before this, so I wonder if this was an attempt at a courtship?

I rather doubt the Liberator Twin was a use-up-the-parts-bin job, rather a case of deliberate badge engineering - a portent of the future indeed and allowing both companies to profit from one design. Hotpoint of course continued to do this for years after, especially in the New Generation era, when Electra, English Electric, Gala and Creda re-badges appeared.

Keith - to you have any ideas what the Twin-star was like - I wonder if this was the same as the elusive Hotpoint Twin-Six? Maybe even the Twin-six was a reciprocal rebadge arrangement. It is a machine i know nothing about apart from a brochure shot on here ages ago.

D

PS - Mathew - good to hear from you too (and in a Hotpoint story no less...goodness...). I'm over on a flying visit next week and will be in Bristol if you're about. Have plans for the 1509 too


Post# 527974 , Reply# 80   7/1/2011 at 02:39 (4,675 days old) by keymatic (London / UK)        

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Hi All,

Paul, The Liberator Twin as per your picture is nearly neat, and luv the styling, not sure how effective the brush filter would have been against the filter clean tray ? Thanks for the picture & the mail order pics. Paul, I know it's cheeky, but could you send me a copy of that pic of the 1420 with the red background? Cheers muchly !!

David, The EE Twin-star was a pulsator twin tub, I have a nice pamphlet introducing it, i will dig it out and take a pic. It had a weird shaped wash tub. English Electric had a variation of twin tubs, I think from memory they produced one called the "Challenge" when i am back at home on sunday i will have a dig around, and see what i can find.

Great thread, best in a long time.
K



Post# 527976 , Reply# 81   7/1/2011 at 02:59 (4,675 days old) by keymatic3203 (Cardiff UK)        
twin star

Now I know this as I've seen parts diagrams, the Twin star was essentially the rolls rapide but with a different wash tub design. The spinner was the same as the rolls, the wash tub was square with a slopeing base, a bit like the hoover tub but not the same proportions, the slopeing part facing you as you face the machine. The pulsator was like the hoover but with four fins, it was mounted on the angled base, powered via a belt drive by a similar motor as the spin dryer, ie brush motor. So you can imagine how vigerous this wash action was, the pulsator would be going something like 1000 rpm, similar speed as the spinner from what I've been told by my parts wholesaler, who repaired rolls machines back in the day, apparantly the spin was not as fast as the major brands.

Does anyone else know of a twin or single tub washer using a brush motor for the wash action?

Hope this is interesting and would be great to see your information Keith,

Thanks Mathew


Post# 527977 , Reply# 82   7/1/2011 at 03:45 (4,675 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
English Electric TwinStar

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Heres the English Electric brochure, it is indeed an impellar machine, very similar to the single tub Vactric of the same era - perhaps some tie up??

Post# 527978 , Reply# 83   7/1/2011 at 03:48 (4,675 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
English Electric

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In detail

Post# 527980 , Reply# 84   7/1/2011 at 03:54 (4,675 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
English Electric..

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Control Panel

Post# 527982 , Reply# 85   7/1/2011 at 04:07 (4,675 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Brush Motor

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heres the underside of the Vactric, it looks very similar to the English Electric - Keith I wonder if the flately has a similar setup??

Post# 527993 , Reply# 86   7/1/2011 at 07:26 (4,675 days old) by keymatic (London / UK)        

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Hi Mike,

Is that the Twin Star Englsih Electric washer ? The model I was thinking of was more along the lines of what Matthew was saying in the sense that the wash tub had a tub similar to that of the Hoovermatic's and the impellar is set off centre. I think the model i am on about dates maybe from the late 60's..I will dig out the brochure though and take pic's..it has a nice opening line on the front of it "....The Stars Fortell big things for the New Twin Star" or something like that..lol
I will have to have a look under the Flately, I think it will be very similar, if not the same.
David: The elusive Twin-Six was something else, I was fortunate to own one, but it needed so much doing to it, i decided to scrap it.
Cheers
Keith


Post# 527996 , Reply# 87   7/1/2011 at 07:42 (4,675 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
Well then there is another one too

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Yes folks, there is another version of the EE as well. I dont have pictures to hand her (in office) but there is one mentioned in a Which report (1965 perhaps) with a completly different control panel, although I believe it to be of Tallent (formerly Rolls and later Colston) origin also as the one above is. I will check out when I am home as there are pictures of both the machine and the control panel. Who would have thought there were so many versions?

Al


Post# 527998 , Reply# 88   7/1/2011 at 07:44 (4,675 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Well

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If The TwinStar is something different then this is another version...lol

I wonder if this is the first model then, dont dare not photograph that machine now!"!, AND Mr whatever are you doing getting rid of that twin six we have 4 1420 that need any types of spares...!!!


Post# 528001 , Reply# 89   7/1/2011 at 07:46 (4,675 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
Vactric

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Mike

I am curious about the Vactric. Is this the one with the green ridged tub? Actually no, it could not have been as that had an agitator. Unless of course they had two model lines - but I have only ever seen references to the one with the ridged tub. As Vactric went out of business very early in 1960 I would doubt it would have been of Rolls manufacture, unless it came from Holland as I believe the earliest Rolls machines did - the Rolls machines were based on a Dutch design.

Al


Post# 528006 , Reply# 90   7/1/2011 at 08:13 (4,675 days old) by keymatic (London / UK)        

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Hi Mike, are the pictures you have loaded above from a set of pamphlets that EE produced ? I think I have this set too, laundry, cooking, etc.. Something tells me that would have been the first EE twinny, as those pamphlets advertise the Auto Liberator's, which date from about 1960.

4 1420's ??? I got it off ebay about 3 years ago, and collected it from North London, it was in a poor state, but managed to keep the top grey surround, spinner unit, and other bits. Very, very weird set up with the emptying of the wash tub and spinner. Currently @ work so can't access files, but will over the weekend.

Keith


Post# 528009 , Reply# 91   7/1/2011 at 08:24 (4,675 days old) by keymatic (London / UK)        

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Hi Al,
Ohhh crumbs don't start about the Vactric..that machine is so in my top 10 of wanted machines..It had a fibreglass washtub, folding Acme power wringer and concealed emptying hose !! fantasic machine, finding one, would be like finding a needle in a haystack.
K


Post# 528038 , Reply# 92   7/1/2011 at 11:33 (4,675 days old) by aquarius8000 ()        
thank you all for posting,

Much appreciate it and gives me hours of enjoyment.

Post# 528090 , Reply# 93   7/1/2011 at 15:43 (4,675 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
OK, so the count is now up to three

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Pre the "Supermatic" EE twinnie

From April 1964 - the 4043, no pictures I am afraid.


Post# 528091 , Reply# 94   7/1/2011 at 15:47 (4,675 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
Twin star

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The report says the 4043 has been updated to the twinstar - half way down on right hand side. And on a slight drift - I wonder will a Stella Gemini ever turn up

Post# 528093 , Reply# 95   7/1/2011 at 15:52 (4,675 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
March 65

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Still 4043 but now Twin Star

Post# 528094 , Reply# 96   7/1/2011 at 15:54 (4,675 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
Control Panels

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,,

Post# 528097 , Reply# 97   7/1/2011 at 15:56 (4,675 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
A challenge

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Try naming all the machines in this picture - i think the EE that Mike posted earlier is at the front, maybe his was the predecessor to the twin star

Post# 528100 , Reply# 98   7/1/2011 at 16:08 (4,675 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
Moving on to 1967

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This table of convience ratings indicates more forgotten models. The Liberator twin makes it appearence, but I find strange differences between it and the Supermatic considering they were so similar/ The twinstar is stil knocking about too

Post# 528122 , Reply# 99   7/1/2011 at 18:10 (4,675 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
Hi guys

my, how the thread is developing! great that it is expanding and wonder what other snippets will come out.

Thanks Al for the Which reports.

Keith - will email you the 1420 piccy on sunday.

Courtesy of the KAYS Catalogue archive, is a nice piccy of the English Electric Twin Star from 1966...


Post# 528123 , Reply# 100   7/1/2011 at 18:13 (4,675 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

and Keith - you mentioned the name 'Challenge'.

Mail order catalogue exclusives and all through the 60s, Kays Catalogues were riddled with vacuums, irons and a selection of twin tubs bearing said title.

In 1964, they were provided courtesy of ACME...


Post# 528124 , Reply# 101   7/1/2011 at 18:15 (4,675 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Before English Electric got in on the act...

Post# 528125 , Reply# 102   7/1/2011 at 18:17 (4,675 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

...

Post# 528126 , Reply# 103   7/1/2011 at 18:18 (4,675 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

...

Post# 528127 , Reply# 104   7/1/2011 at 18:20 (4,675 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

and a nice page, with the reversomatic front loader.

Unfortunately, this early on, KAYS didnt provide model numbers. grrrrr.



Post# 528140 , Reply# 105   7/1/2011 at 19:42 (4,675 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        
Oh! the Acme's side screws...

...look similar to the Rolls Rapide's!

You can just make 'em out in my avatar!


Post# 528198 , Reply# 106   7/2/2011 at 02:33 (4,674 days old) by aquarius8000 ()        
English Electric liberator

Can you tell me more about it and its ancesters?

Post# 528199 , Reply# 107   7/2/2011 at 02:34 (4,674 days old) by aquarius8000 ()        

And for above the matching washer,RARE ON EBAY

CLICK HERE TO GO TO aquarius8000's LINK on eBay


Post# 528205 , Reply# 108   7/2/2011 at 03:26 (4,674 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
Challenge

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Paul

Except that the Challenge is English Electric - it says so in the ad! And I believe that the cooker just visible in the back of the photo in reply 103 is an EE too. I believe Challenge was a Kays "exclusive" line - I have seen "Challenge" Hoover Juniors - the beautiful lilac one. And the picture in reply 104 very clearly shows the "Rolls" ancestry - with the re-circulation/tub emptying nozzle on the right hand side.

Al


Post# 528206 , Reply# 109   7/2/2011 at 03:32 (4,674 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
Acme

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Not seen that one before although it appears in Which reports. If it was manufactured by Rolls/Tallent then it is the only one I have seen with the Spinarinse/Supermatic type drain tube. I wonder how the filter worked?

Al


Post# 528207 , Reply# 110   7/2/2011 at 03:41 (4,674 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
Liberator Auto

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To kick off with the ebay item - that has been listed before, and discussed on here. I suspect the price might be more reasonable now than previously. Others can tell more about teh difficulties in trying to secure it.

The EE Liberator auto has its origins in Westinghouse Spacemaker designs, and first appeared in late 1959/early 1960. Although Bendix appear to have been the first autos sold in this country, and the Thor Automagic also appeared here before the EE, I suspect that it might have been the first auto manufactured in this country. There were several different iterations of this model before it was replaced by the later model (of which there were also several varities) shown above in reply 104. This too is a Westinghouse design.

Al


Post# 528210 , Reply# 111   7/2/2011 at 04:32 (4,674 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
All I can say is ......

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WOW.

How wonderful to see all these great machines again its like a trip down memory lane...

Thank you everyone for all the information its amazing !!

Austin


Post# 528390 , Reply# 112   7/3/2011 at 07:50 (4,673 days old) by Keymatic (London / UK)        
EE - Twinstar Literature...

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Hi Guys, found some of the stuff I was on about on Friday, there is an English Electric basic appliance line-up from 1966, an open-up A4 - A3 pamphlet showing the New Twinstar from 1964, i had forgotten that i have the user guide to the mid-60's machine.


Post# 528392 , Reply# 113   7/3/2011 at 08:03 (4,673 days old) by Keymatic (London / UK)        
EE - Twin star 1964

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"the new features....

Post# 528546 , Reply# 114   7/4/2011 at 02:11 (4,672 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Twin Star

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Hi Keith good stash there, can you post the Twin Star instruction book please by page, would be great to see the differences etc... and yes its 4 1400`s in existance
,does the cooker lineup include the Rapide 66 by any chance??

Heres the assembly line!!


Post# 528548 , Reply# 115   7/4/2011 at 02:20 (4,672 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Hotpoint 1400

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Washing away...

Post# 528550 , Reply# 116   7/4/2011 at 02:32 (4,672 days old) by keymatic (London / UK)        

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Morning Mike,
I will see what i can do, I must pop out and get a scanner at some point, makes it soo much easier than taking pic's and then transferring.

With ref to the 1400's, do you remember that 1400 that was on ebay a couple of years ago which looked in mint condition, but the seller withdrew it before bidding started..do you know if anyone got it from memory..?

I have had to split the stash up now into folders with pockets in, Hotpoint/Hoover/Servis & Misc..

Hopefully upload that instruction book soon.
K


Post# 528555 , Reply# 117   7/4/2011 at 04:38 (4,672 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
Rapide 66

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Mike

I suspect that the Rapide 66 might be slighly later than this brochure. My parents bought the double oven Rapide 68 in 1974 (which I think was probably at the every end of its product line) although my aunt Jean had a Rapide 66 somewhat earlier than that, as I remember it.

Al


Post# 528556 , Reply# 118   7/4/2011 at 05:11 (4,672 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Hotties

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Hi Keith, yes I find scanning easier, but I must say Paul does a grand job of making the photos look great, cant say I remeber the one on ebay, we are rebuilding / spa & spraying mine, johns & fannys at the moment...mines up next the plastic pump shattered when I tried to remove it, very problematic as its on the end of the motor, but I`m sure an electric one will do (Purists Take a Deep Breath..Lol)

Al, they where great cookers, I have a 57 but the family model was the Rapide 66, love the kool blue colour!!!


Post# 528575 , Reply# 119   7/4/2011 at 08:18 (4,672 days old) by keymatic (London / UK)        
1400...

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Hi Mike,
Yep those pumps can be a nightmare, I have seen both types, one where the drive comes straight of the wash motor, and also the friction drive type that is sprung loaded against the wash motor fan. I took mine our and replaced it with a electric pump, it works just fine.
The other 1400's are they later or earlier models ? Do they all have the valve box, or empty via the nozzel ? Mine doesn't have the empty valve, but it is the latter 1400, with the blue control panel.
Keith


Post# 528659 , Reply# 120   7/4/2011 at 16:31 (4,672 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi all.

Wow!
cant believe all the new stuff that I have learned, as a result of peoples contributions. We all have soooooo much knowledge in our various data banks - its great to share.
Thanks to everyone.

I have a picture that I took of a 1400 at John's, back in 2009. Dont know whether this was to become the first machine to pass through the 'Spa' (in which case it looks SUPERB today), or whether its the second machine, in which case its still being worked on...


Post# 528661 , Reply# 121   7/4/2011 at 16:35 (4,672 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi Keith.

MY GOD!
The full range of English Electric Appliances!!! Adding my two-penceworth - it would be great to be ab;e to see that in greater detail.

Meanwhile, just a couple more piccies from KAYS catalogue but this time with some info attached.

First up - the Hotpoint 1501 (I think)....


Post# 528662 , Reply# 122   7/4/2011 at 16:36 (4,672 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

and the 1420 again, with its info...

Post# 528663 , Reply# 123   7/4/2011 at 16:39 (4,672 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Will try and dig out the exploded diagrams of the 1400 and 1420, photograph and post them tomorrow.

Paul


Post# 528758 , Reply# 124   7/5/2011 at 02:47 (4,671 days old) by keymatic (London / UK)        

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Hi Paul,
Thanks for the pic's they are fab..I guess if i was granted one wish, it would be to go back to 1964, the 1420 & 1500 machines look fab.
I have a quite a few bits on English Electric. I have now had to split the info up into major manufacturers like Hotpoint,Hoover,Servis & Misc..the drop files were just getting too think..lol
I really must attend the next gathering !!
Cheers
Keith


Post# 528953 , Reply# 125   7/6/2011 at 02:28 (4,670 days old) by keymatic (London / UK)        

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Morning Paul,
Quick thankyou for the pic's you forwarded to me, greatly appreciated !!

Mike, nice part of the 1504 there...mine is still going strong after it's rebuild 4years ago. Fab machine which is used as my weekly wonder.



Post# 529008 , Reply# 126   7/6/2011 at 13:13 (4,670 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi Keith.

No worries.
You changing your profile pic, gave me a nudge to change mine too.

1504 looks great!
The neighbour opposite me had one for these (or possibly the visually identical, but interlocked model 1518)and it lasted in operation through to the mid 1980s. It then lived down the side of his house for a year or so (I think) and was in full view of me each morning, when I opened my curtains.
Ah well.
Paul



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