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Post# 530487   7/13/2011 at 20:49 (4,641 days old) by 76SpeedQueen (Orleans County Ny)   |   | |
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Post# 530489 , Reply# 1   7/13/2011 at 20:52 (4,641 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)   |   | |
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Post# 530501 , Reply# 2   7/13/2011 at 21:03 (4,641 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Woah yeah - dream machine there! Congrats on the super cool find, and from the looks of it, is also in very good shape.
This is my favorite reversing-motor control panel. Had the matching dryer once in Avocado. The dial to the left of the timer is a soak timer, and the red light indicates overflow wash/rinse, plus this is a variable water level model to boot. SQ's don't come much cooler than this one. Ben (thanks for the scan Greg!) |
Post# 530513 , Reply# 3   7/13/2011 at 21:42 (4,641 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 530514 , Reply# 4   7/13/2011 at 21:49 (4,641 days old) by 76SpeedQueen (Orleans County Ny)   |   | |
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Thanks guys!I saw it in front of neighbors garage with the boxes for the new LG set he bought and I waited (with baited breath and fingers and toes crossed) for him to come home from work to ask him if I could have the SQ.There is not a scratch on the thing and it shines like new!A very anticipatory afternoon indeed!Now if I could find a Frigidaire with an up and down action agitator and the glass window in the lid..............! (preferably the reddish color or avocado)
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Post# 530518 , Reply# 7   7/13/2011 at 22:20 (4,641 days old) by 76SpeedQueen (Orleans County Ny)   |   | |
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He did indeed have the dryer,however that was thrown out when I was out of town and was not here to rescue it.That was a gas model he told me.He said it would not heat and had a hole in the lint screen and a threadbare belt.Still a bummer as I would surely have been able to find parts eventually..............He said he didn't want the old SQ washer because he thought it was an eyesore in his modern finished basement so he got the new LG front loaders.In my opinion newer is almost never better...just more expensive.We have a newer Whirly cabrio too and I don't like that nearly as much as my SQ!
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Post# 530520 , Reply# 8   7/13/2011 at 22:22 (4,641 days old) by 76SpeedQueen (Orleans County Ny)   |   | |
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Post# 530522 , Reply# 9   7/13/2011 at 22:49 (4,641 days old) by alr2903 (TN)   |   | |
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Yes indeed a very nice washer. McGraw Edison is the key to the case. alr |
Post# 530532 , Reply# 10   7/14/2011 at 00:23 (4,641 days old) by 76SpeedQueen (Orleans County Ny)   |   | |
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Post# 530533 , Reply# 11   7/14/2011 at 00:30 (4,641 days old) by 76SpeedQueen (Orleans County Ny)   |   | |
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Post# 530535 , Reply# 12   7/14/2011 at 00:34 (4,641 days old) by 76SpeedQueen (Orleans County Ny)   |   | |
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Post# 530553 , Reply# 13   7/14/2011 at 06:09 (4,641 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 530556 , Reply# 14   7/14/2011 at 06:40 (4,641 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Yours is the exact model my first partners mother had in Wisconsin. She also had the matching electric dryer both were coppertone in color. We replaced both with new almond WPs around 1988 when we had the heat converted from fuel oil to natural gas and the gas co. said they would install the gas to the house free if we added three gas appliances. The SQ washer worked well as far as I know, it did have a new water pump at some point ,but his mother really loved the new WP gas dryer. She couldn't believe how fast it dried compared to the electric SQ. Unfortunately I didn't save the brown SQs I sold both to some local folks for around $150, it was the last one of these SQs I ever saw with the soak timer. |
Post# 530562 , Reply# 16   7/14/2011 at 07:04 (4,641 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Post# 530565 , Reply# 17   7/14/2011 at 07:16 (4,641 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)   |   | |
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Post# 530582 , Reply# 18   7/14/2011 at 08:32 (4,641 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 530618 , Reply# 19   7/14/2011 at 13:15 (4,640 days old) by rickr (.)   |   | |
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Post# 530643 , Reply# 20   7/14/2011 at 15:53 (4,640 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)   |   | |
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Post# 530645 , Reply# 21   7/14/2011 at 16:01 (4,640 days old) by MaytagA710 ()   |   | |
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What a fantastic looking machine! I love the control panel. Thanks for sharing! |
Post# 530649 , Reply# 22   7/14/2011 at 16:13 (4,640 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI )   |   | |
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Post# 530730 , Reply# 23   7/14/2011 at 22:41 (4,640 days old) by djmjlcst (Bloomington, Illinois)   |   | |
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that is a bleach dispenser in the front left corner, correct? It's neat that it has a cap on it as well. Is it a hinged plastic cap? Wow, this model has everything your heart would desire and then some! Mike L. |
Post# 530766 , Reply# 25   7/15/2011 at 06:43 (4,640 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 530767 , Reply# 26   7/15/2011 at 07:04 (4,640 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 530788 , Reply# 27   7/15/2011 at 09:50 (4,640 days old) by 76SpeedQueen (Orleans County Ny)   |   | |
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Post# 530879 , Reply# 28   7/15/2011 at 20:56 (4,639 days old) by eddy1210 (Burnaby BC Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 531230 , Reply# 30   7/17/2011 at 20:13 (4,637 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 531234 , Reply# 31   7/17/2011 at 20:29 (4,637 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 531360 , Reply# 32   7/18/2011 at 11:09 (4,637 days old) by 76SpeedQueen (Orleans County Ny)   |   | |
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I highly doubt that the neighbor's new LG will be around longer than THIS Speed Queen!It is in barely used condition and is made of far Superior materials to any modern washer...............Besides that what use it did get was from a little old elderly couple who fastidiously took care of and babied everything.
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Post# 531561 , Reply# 33   7/19/2011 at 07:20 (4,636 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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There is a reason that solid tub reversing motor SQs are so rare. They were among the least durable automatic washers of the 1970s. Very very few of them made it out of the 1980s.
I have two solid tub SQs in our collection and I feel that they are very interesting and good collectable washers. But the SQ design was heavily based on 1950s technology and many key parts such as the water pump, top agitator shaft seal were not durable designs. And things got worse when they took out the agitate and spin solenoids to reduce the cost of building the machine. The final blow to durabllbly was when they added a fast break in the mid 1970s as this caused a lot of expensive to fix basket drive failures, which in turn caused many of the later ST SQs to be junked early.
I would be interested to know what materials that are used in the construction of washing machines today that are not in-fact far better than what were used in the 1970s. From what I see plastics, rubber, finishes and other coatings and even the steel are much better than they were 30 years ago. Just look at how durable cars are now, they barely even rust anymore. |
Post# 531626 , Reply# 34   7/19/2011 at 15:19 (4,635 days old) by cadman (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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As John points out, we have more advanced materials today- plastics that can withstand greater impacts and temperature extremes, more stable rubber compounds, advanced plating techniques, etc. However, the reason our classics run circles around the new machines is obvious- the bottom line is manufacturing cost, not advancement. New machines are built to give the consumer exactly what they want- a cheap machine that looks expensive.
The number of '06 series Maytags humming along in midwest basements, decade after decade, is a testament to the "robust design" philosophy that was part of the industry. We all now there is simply no way a manufacturer could produce a machine like that today. Switch assemblies with individual springs and terminals, screwed into place rather than a slot and rivet method. Pushbuttons with distinctive part numbers (inventory and QC), a porcelain tub (multiple processes to one part, and costly), a motor with line-voltage rated windings of adequate horsepower. Steel case stampings of adequate gauge that they don't require reinforcing ribs. And so on. Plastic parts don't require painting, they can come right from the supplier, be snapped into place on the front of the machine, and the sticky-backed, multi-button overlay with graphic pressed into place. No tools required. A single PCB with membrane switches and processor mounts from the back. Maybe there's a couple screws in there, but if manufacturer A finds a way to do it with one less, competitor B will find a way to beat them. Of course we're dealing with inductive loads like water valves and motor windings. Interfacing with low-voltage digital electronics means we need "protective" components in the interface. These can often cost more than the processor and software (yes, there is firmware in there) running the machine. Just which parts do you think get marginalized first as a cost-cutting measure? Put all this in a damp environment, add vibration, and put on your EE hat. The list of potential component failures that can turn that machine into a paperweight gets pretty long. Contrast this to the old model - timer contacts and a motor with capacitor start. That's it. A failure is bound to be mechanical because the electrical system is up to the task. We have GE to thank for value engineering, but the impetus was manufacturing during WWII. Advancements in technology allowed design to evolve to the point where systems and components did not require "over building". If a stamped bracket will survive 5 years of service before metal fatigue causes failure, why are we paying double to cast this part? The problem is, instead of using this approach to optimize design, manufacturers used this approach to build-in obsolesence. We're now in a race to the bottom. |
Post# 531927 , Reply# 37   7/20/2011 at 23:48 (4,634 days old) by 76SpeedQueen (Orleans County Ny)   |   | |
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My Speed Queen Rocks and will for a long time coming!I plan to use it gently and lovingly as possibly believe me!I have the WP Cabrio to do the big heavy stuff!(although the SQ has no trouble with big loads)I plan to use it for my personal clothing (especially whites) and not comforters,I hope to hand it down to one of my neices one day..........
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Post# 534671 , Reply# 38   8/2/2011 at 21:48 (4,621 days old) by 76SpeedQueen (Orleans County Ny)   |   | |
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There is a dispenser listed on www.davesrepair.com... for a vintage Speed Queen fabric softener dispenser.Do you think it will fit my washer? You have to go under vintage washer parts on this site then scroll down to speed queen to see it.
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Post# 535060 , Reply# 39   8/4/2011 at 16:12 (4,619 days old) by 76SpeedQueen (Orleans County Ny)   |   | |
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Seems as though we thought this was an FA9101 washer but I just looked more closely at the model # and it reads DA9101W and Serial # 247N1169 does anyone know what this means as to the age of this washer and why does it look just like the scanned in brochure on here for the FA9101 washer?Still hunting for a fab soft disp too put in a couple parts requests.....
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Post# 535072 , Reply# 40   8/4/2011 at 17:35 (4,619 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Could the model differences be of the capacity.....I have a DA6071, its standard size......those larger ones are extremely rare....how deep is your tub?
you can't always go by brochures either, by the time their printed and the actual machine come out of the assembly line, several changes may have occurred....it just happens.... |
Post# 535092 , Reply# 41   8/4/2011 at 21:20 (4,619 days old) by 76SpeedQueen (Orleans County Ny)   |   | |
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Post# 535107 , Reply# 42   8/5/2011 at 00:02 (4,619 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 535152 , Reply# 43   8/5/2011 at 08:24 (4,619 days old) by 76SpeedQueen (Orleans County Ny)   |   | |
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Post# 535232 , Reply# 44   8/5/2011 at 17:58 (4,618 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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at 14 inches, its standard capacity
for large capacity it should be about 16 inches.... in any machine, 2 extra inches can make a world of difference, but these are rare these reversing motor models fascinate me, especially that they can still pump out overflo water during agitation.......and the mechanism that makes it shift in/out of agitation, I just learned how to adjust this so it fully releases during spin, also the belt should be left slightly loose, too tight and the pulley will not slide up and down properly.....but preference goes to the banging solenoids, non-stop wash to spin action, and the sound of that continuous pump as it cavitates with water and air..........but fun machines no matter which one.... love the agitator indented stainless steel tub, and the aireated fill, and the movement of that 210 degree stroke, in a transe as you can stare at it for hours....lol shoot a video of it if you can.... |
Post# 535235 , Reply# 45   8/5/2011 at 18:10 (4,618 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 535316 , Reply# 46   8/6/2011 at 09:19 (4,618 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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you know John, thats something I never did measure was the 210.....its a very quick stroke to watch, and it must have to do with that arc-Q-matic tranny, it almost snaps in both directions creating an unusual wash action.....
I fell in love with these machines from the first day that I ever saw one....... |
Post# 535331 , Reply# 47   8/6/2011 at 10:31 (4,618 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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I too was fascinated and continue to be fascinated with watching the agitation action of the solid tub SQ's. I think it reduces stress much like watching a fish tank.
Could watch for hours. And I have been known to loop a youtube playlist of SQ videos of a machine in action for long periods of time. There must be a support group for people like me.... Malcolm |
Post# 535334 , Reply# 48   8/6/2011 at 10:46 (4,618 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Addictions?......
like in a laundromat, seeing them all lined up and running..... isn't that why were here Malcolm, our own little support group, THAT encourages us to watch all the more, but for some odd reason it is a calming effect.... I too have watched the Youtube videos, over and over, but nothing like seeing them in person, just that aireated fill alone calms me down in a second..... I wonder if we could create a demo, like a water fountain, recirculating the water thru the fill flume......not like we haven't used an old wringer as a planter in our yards.......with the water, we could turn it into an oasis, disguised as a birdbath!......lol Sorry guys, I could talk Speed Queen all day..... |
Post# 535357 , Reply# 49   8/6/2011 at 13:24 (4,617 days old) by 76SpeedQueen (Orleans County Ny)   |   | |
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I must admit spend alot of time in the basement watching the Speed Queen.I like the wash action,flotation rinse and all the solenoid clunks as it changes from agitation to spin and when the bleach pump goes....I have started to collect spare parts so I can be sure to keep it running for years to come.
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Post# 535373 , Reply# 50   8/6/2011 at 14:43 (4,617 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Post# 535377 , Reply# 51   8/6/2011 at 14:58 (4,617 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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If my memory serves me correctly, the water level switch is controlled by a separate fill tank in the back corner of the cabinet. A portion of the water is diverted to the tank and pressure monitored in that location. Genius actually. Had a solenoid reversing machine similar to this model back in the late 80's. The water level was way out of adjustment and there was an issue with the agitate such that it wouldn't stay in gear under heavy load. The spring loaded actuator was weak or needed some sort of adjustment. I never had the opportunity to correct any of its issues and it got away from me before I knew what a gem it was.
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Post# 535388 , Reply# 52   8/6/2011 at 17:24 (4,617 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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I just discovered how to make this adjustment, mine was almost agitating while spinning, and made one hell of a racket, the adjustment is on top of the transmission pulley, and took a little practice to get it right, but now it completely releases......
a new pump, proper belt tensions, and a little grease on the fluid drive bearing.....this puppy is silent.....freakin superb operation these reversing machines would have been better with a rapid advance timer, just to lower the delay between wash and spin......that pause seems like eternity |
Post# 535402 , Reply# 53   8/6/2011 at 19:51 (4,617 days old) by welshsi ()   |   | |
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Wow Gorgeous machine. |
Post# 535432 , Reply# 54   8/6/2011 at 22:47 (4,617 days old) by 76SpeedQueen (Orleans County Ny)   |   | |
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I believe there is a solenoid too because when this washer stops agitating and before spin there is a sharp metalic clunk when the timer advances.At this time also is heard a trickling of water then 15 seconds later it goes into spin.It surprised me how fast this washer spins out the water too!It only takes about 17 seconds for all the water from a full load to empty into our laundry sink.I will soon remove the front panel and get a pic for you guys to see.........If I had a way to do a video I would because I know all you other washer folks would go nuts!Someday.....Maybe when I change up phones I will get a smart phone and do it then...My Samsung Intensity doesn't shoot videos.
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Post# 535481 , Reply# 55   8/7/2011 at 08:48 (4,617 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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That could be from what Malcolm was explaining about this chamber used for the pressure fill, and then the solenoid allows it to empty and reset for the next fill.....
you would know if it was a banging solenoid unit, kicking into wash is loud enough, but when it shifts from wash to spin, theres 2 solenoids banging at the same time, my dog jumps and barks everytime it happens, music to my ears... the 2 bladed pumps are powerful, my first one had a 6 bladed pump, and good thing too, it had to pump up 6 feet, even in gentle it had no problem.... |
Post# 535621 , Reply# 56   8/7/2011 at 21:52 (4,616 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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There is a solenoid on the tank that holds the water used for measuring the level in the wash tub. Part of the water is diverted from the fill and a pressure switch is used to control the amount entering the wash tub. During the pause between agitate and spin, the solenoid opens a valve allowing the diverted water to drain into the outer tub. I always liked that sound. I never had a bleach pump that worked, they were pretty troublesome - abuse by users and the corrosive nature of bleach took their toll.
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Post# 535699 , Reply# 57   8/8/2011 at 11:50 (4,616 days old) by 76SpeedQueen (Orleans County Ny)   |   | |
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Post# 535721 , Reply# 58   8/8/2011 at 14:10 (4,615 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Dude
you have one superb gem there, with a little TLC will give you years of joy....I know mine do..... Enjoy! I wouldn't worry too much about that dispenser, although nice to have all accessories, I always hated to block the sight of the wash action, and with those overflo rinses, suds should not be an issue, I like watching mine create a sudscake, and then for the overflo to kick on and flush it all away, and that machine to take off on spin without a sudslock condition....also for those pumps to handle removal of all that water in seconds....priceless! |
Post# 535731 , Reply# 59   8/8/2011 at 15:21 (4,615 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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You are going to want to hug me...big time!
this link is for the fabric softner dispenser....they have a few left in stock..... I got one....with shipping around 16.00....I called to verify it IS in stock Go for it! CLICK HERE TO GO TO yogitunes's LINK |
Post# 535740 , Reply# 60   8/8/2011 at 15:51 (4,615 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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HOLD UP!
I had to use your model number........ the correct part number is 23546....price 12.56...and about 7.00 for shipping....... they claim its in stock, but won't know until they go to the warehouse and process for shipping, no charge if not available....worth a shot! my model number does not show a part number for this dispenser......amazing the variations with model numbers and part available for similar machines..... best to call them on the phone...... let me know how you make out CLICK HERE TO GO TO yogitunes's LINK |
Post# 535813 , Reply# 61   8/8/2011 at 22:57 (4,615 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Got an email.....like the operator said, NLA as of 11/95....but the warehouse notified me there are a few in stock, and the item is being shipped, will have it in a few days.....we will see what happens
got to love how different model numbers can show either parts available, or different part number for the same item, and the variable pricing for the same part....but as many times before, it has paid to shop around..... |
Post# 536124 , Reply# 62   8/10/2011 at 08:57 (4,614 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Look what the UPS man delivered............JOY!
these parts places really need to have a cross-reference for parts......with a few exceptions, most machines are the same style for years, and just because a pump from a 1970 Maytag is NLA, does not mean you can't use one from a 1980 Maytag.....heck we switch parts all the time to make one good machine out of several broken ones..... what was funny was the lady on the phone swore this would not fit my machine! |
Post# 536739 , Reply# 63   8/13/2011 at 08:45 (4,611 days old) by 76SpeedQueen (Orleans County Ny)   |   | |
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Post# 536742 , Reply# 64   8/13/2011 at 09:03 (4,611 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Post# 536784 , Reply# 65   8/13/2011 at 13:54 (4,610 days old) by 76SpeedQueen (Orleans County Ny)   |   | |
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Post# 536786 , Reply# 66   8/13/2011 at 13:56 (4,610 days old) by 76SpeedQueen (Orleans County Ny)   |   | |
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Post# 536789 , Reply# 67   8/13/2011 at 14:02 (4,610 days old) by 76SpeedQueen (Orleans County Ny)   |   | |
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Post# 536791 , Reply# 68   8/13/2011 at 14:10 (4,610 days old) by 76SpeedQueen (Orleans County Ny)   |   | |
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Post# 536800 , Reply# 69   8/13/2011 at 14:37 (4,610 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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I think the silicon placed around seams and seals is necessary for these machines, it helps with the little drips that squeeze out here and there.....I had to seal all around the cabinet to tub seal, didn't want to disturb anything, just a bead inside and out.....
may not be pretty underneath, but I have learned the hard way, if it ain't broke, don't fix it....let it run and enjoy the fun! |
Post# 537180 , Reply# 70   8/15/2011 at 15:41 (4,608 days old) by 76SpeedQueen (Orleans County Ny)   |   | |
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Another Thanks to Yogi (Big Bear Hug!) for finding it online at Point and Click Appliance Repair and finally getting a fabric softener dispenser into my hands!Even though it blocks some of the wash action veiw,I really like it because it does stop alot of the splashing that SQ's are famous for. Now I can watch close-up and not get soapy water in my eye!
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Post# 537210 , Reply# 71   8/15/2011 at 16:42 (4,608 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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