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Post# 532625   7/24/2011 at 17:30 (4,521 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        

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I cant believe that with the newer models cycle times may be even longer!!


Post# 532629 , Reply# 1   7/24/2011 at 18:01 (4,521 days old) by henry200 ()        

Insanely long wash cycles is about the only option left if manufacturers are being forced to make dishwashers that consume less than four gallons of tepid water. 

Post# 532643 , Reply# 2   7/24/2011 at 19:45 (4,521 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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OK, y'all start your B*tchin!!

Post# 532645 , Reply# 3   7/24/2011 at 19:50 (4,521 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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i don't mind a longer cycle as i only use the smart wash cycle on my dishwasher anyway.

Post# 532649 , Reply# 4   7/24/2011 at 20:24 (4,521 days old) by bleacho ()        
its not a big deal!!!

hey, if it runs 2 or more hours, and is quiet, and saves on electricity, and only uses 4.5 gallons of water, whats the difference.. as long as the dishes come out clean...

Post# 532657 , Reply# 5   7/24/2011 at 21:11 (4,521 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Amen Bleacho!!!

Post# 532660 , Reply# 6   7/24/2011 at 21:23 (4,521 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        

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Clean is the aim...economically, the new game.

Go and do something constructive with the extra time it takes.

Post# 532666 , Reply# 7   7/24/2011 at 22:06 (4,521 days old) by A440 ()        
It is a big deal to the consumer!

First off...


They spelled Kitchenaid wrong in the article.

Second off...

These machines are becoming so much more expensive the more "Energy Efficient" they become! The outward appearance of these machines are somewhat beefy but the heart of the machines are not all that great. Look at the evidence just on Youtube of angry owners that go through pump and motors! These machines are designed to run for hours with pumps and motors that just can't take it.

Consider a family that runs their "Energy Efficient" dishwasher once or twice a day. It is a great chance that this dishwasher will have to be replaced after two years of service. Where is the savings? You can't save as much on "Energy" that it cost to replace a dishwasher of this price in two to three years time. Impossible.

I don't see the savings.

This is why I have a stash of vintage dishwashers. I am not going to fall for this crap.

Post# 532668 , Reply# 8   7/24/2011 at 22:20 (4,521 days old) by henry200 ()        

The normal cycle on my Ariston takes about 90 minutes plus however long it takes the dishes to "drip dry."  My usual routine is to start the dishwasher after supper or before bed and empty it first thing in the morning.  If I have more than one load's worth of stuff to wash (Christmas dinner for 22)  I run a load in my old Kitchenaid portable down in the laundry room at the same time.

Post# 532671 , Reply# 9   7/24/2011 at 23:00 (4,521 days old) by MaytagA710 ()        

I don't really mind long cycle times, I don't really run the machine every day either, it may get used once every two or three days. Cycle time to me was never a huge selling factor, I can always load it up and throw it on after supper, and have clean bowls and plates for the morning.

Post# 532679 , Reply# 10   7/25/2011 at 01:58 (4,521 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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There have been times I've waited for the dishwasher. If it's late at night or something and it's running and I'm waiting for it to finish to unload it before bed just to get that chore out of the way.....

But I guess we really have no choice do we. Every dishwasher each manufacturer makes will be energy star. They won't make a model that's not energy star..At least I doubt they will. Could be wrong.

I wonder when it will stop? I guess the energy star this year isn't good enough? Each year they get more stringent. I wonder if 2013 will be 2 gallons of water instead of 2012's four gallons.

Post# 532680 , Reply# 11   7/25/2011 at 02:24 (4,521 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
Where is the savings?

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People, you're missing the point.


Yes, they are intended to be more economical to run by using less water, power and (possibly) detergent....but you, me and a lot of other people know they are not designed to actually 'pay for themselves' in savings.


So stop expecting'll just make yourself feel let-down when they don't materialise.

Post# 532681 , Reply# 12   7/25/2011 at 02:25 (4,521 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, Theres a Lady on Stage)        
Read This Article The Other Day

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And was gobsmacked looking up and down the chart at cycle times. Two, three or more hours just to wash a load of dishes?

Suppose if one does not use the machine daily and or runs it last thing at night before the household goes to sleep such lengthly times won't matter.

OTHO if one is entertaining,holidays with large gatherings, and doing lots of cooking/baking/pre-work you better hope these machines are quiet because they will have to run when people are about.

By the way, Miele dishwashers came in dead last in CR's ratings. Several Bosch models were on top including the number one spot.

Post# 532687 , Reply# 13   7/25/2011 at 05:03 (4,521 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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CR always has Miele models at the very bottom of the ratings. 

Post# 532706 , Reply# 14   7/25/2011 at 08:50 (4,521 days old) by gmmcnair (Portland, OR)        

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My new dishwasher, bought in May 2011, does a cycle with 5 gallons of water in just under 2 hours. Gets the dishes very clean too, as long as it's properly loaded and I'm using a good detergent. Mine was only $450, and it's a specialty model (portable/convertible). My old D&M model too 75 minutes start to finish, used 10 gallons of water, and my Frigidaire 18 inch took just under 2 hours, and used 7.5 gallons of water (and held a small load). I don't care how long it takes, as long as it gets the dishes clean, and it does so frugally.

Post# 532710 , Reply# 15   7/25/2011 at 09:34 (4,521 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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me i do not care how long the cycle is the important thing for me is that i have a dishwasher thats


2-gets dishes clean

so for me as long as it do the job and that the dishwasher is quiet i do not mind a long cycle since the dishwasher i have if i needed this have a 1 hour wash cycle.

Post# 532712 , Reply# 16   7/25/2011 at 09:58 (4,521 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        

I dont's see the point!
ALL the machines sold in Europe have the energy saving cycle, it's the one on which the performance and energy use tests are based. But they also have at least two/three more cycles that fit all the necessities.

SMEG (I speak for my favourite brand but most of the others have the same) has the "forte e veloce" program that means "quick and strong" it washes (at 70C) and dries in less that an hour a dirty load. If you want even more speed you can have the fast/light soiled cycle that washes in less than half an hour.
The very same machine is able to perform a 3 hour cycle to comply with energy guidelines and get the A+AA class in washing and drying.

So either the American machines are deficient and the American manufactures really don't care to retain market share or the machines aren't used as they should. This coupled with less than optimal detergents.
"Standard" cycle over here has always been around 70-90 minutes long, unless one considers OLD machines but then we would be on the "imperial" section.

Post# 532719 , Reply# 17   7/25/2011 at 10:33 (4,521 days old) by DishwasherRules (Italy)        

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I know this applies to the US for the time being... but I hope manufacturers in Europe won't start to follow their respectable American counterparts! We've recently had an Energy Label change here, but the timings of the programmes used for the EL evaluation have not changed so far.
I use my Bosch DW about 3 times a week and I always use the Auto 55-70C programme: the Normal-Eco 50C just takes too long in my opinion (between 2h20 and 2h40) and I just choose it when I start my machine and then go out for the day/evening. I've also found out that in my case the savings on my water and electricity bills are just in terms of few cents if I go for the Eco, so I prefer to use my faithful DW on a programme allowing me to take advantage of its full washing power.
I do want to do my bit for our planet and environment, but as A440 rightly pointed out what's the point in making machines that save water and energy but that won't be able to last a long time with a normal use in the average American or European household? Creating more piles of junk at city dumps, like if we needed any more?
Another matter of concern to me, besides the washing result, is the quality of the rinsing process: how can these machines cope with the recent tablets formulations which are quite aggresive despite the environment-friendly labels we see on their packages?
And what will the future bring about? Here in Italy, "Altroconsumo" (the Italian equivalent of CR in the US and Which? in the UK) is always complaining in its reviews that dishwashers are still too greedy on water... for heaven's sake, I wonder which an acceptable per-cycle water consumption could be according to them: maybe 5 liters could be enough, in a hopefully far future, to run a full cycle for normally soiled tableware plus pans according to their panels of so-called experts, but I wouldn't dare buying such a DW!

Post# 533001 , Reply# 18   7/26/2011 at 17:26 (4,519 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        

My Bosch on "Auto Super Wash", typically takes 2 hours and 10 minutes. Virtually always keeps the pre-rinse water for the main wash, does three rinses, and condenser dries.

Machine is switched on about 8pm, finished at 10:10pm. Got to bed, empty it in the morning - dishes are bone dry. Simple.

Post# 533016 , Reply# 19   7/26/2011 at 17:36 (4,519 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

I think the other point is that its only the cycle used for the Energy ratings that necessarily runs to those times.

The cycle on my Miele that is tested is the Energy Save cycle, which has no sensor wash, limited temperatures, limited consumption of 12L and a fixed time of 2:36. The Extra quiet cycle at 40 db runs for 4:30.

The Sensor wash can be done in as little as 70mins and uses up to 17L of water.

So whilst there might be long cycles, they're probably only there to satisfy the energy requirements and any good dishwasher should provide some quicker alternatives.

Post# 533021 , Reply# 20   7/26/2011 at 17:40 (4,519 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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me like i explain my dishwasher has the he smart wash cycle witch is the energy star cycleand thats the only cycle i use i do not use the other cycles on my dish washer i only use the he smart wash cycle and the option i use is the turbo zone option and hight temp option.

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