Thread Number: 35991
New Kenmore Ultra Wash Dishwashers!
[Down to Last]

Cool Washer Stuff on Amazon:
scroll >>> for more items
Post# 536535   8/12/2011 at 11:48 (4,502 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        

peteski50's profile picture
I did some investigation and got a instruction manual probably related to a few models. I will first post the new models and try to post the instruction book inserts. You guys be the judge!


Post# 536536 , Reply# 1   8/12/2011 at 11:49 (4,502 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
New Kenmore Ultra Wash Dishwashers

peteski50's profile picture
Operation Manual!

Post# 536537 , Reply# 2   8/12/2011 at 11:49 (4,502 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
New Kenmore Ultra Wash Dishwashers

peteski50's profile picture

Post# 536538 , Reply# 3   8/12/2011 at 11:50 (4,502 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
New Kenmore Ultra Wash Dishwashers

peteski50's profile picture

Post# 536539 , Reply# 4   8/12/2011 at 11:51 (4,502 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
New Kenmore Ultra Wash Dishwashers

peteski50's profile picture

Post# 536540 , Reply# 5   8/12/2011 at 11:52 (4,502 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
New Kenmore Ultra Wash Dishwashers

peteski50's profile picture

Post# 536541 , Reply# 6   8/12/2011 at 11:52 (4,502 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
New Kenmore Ultra Wash Dishwashers

peteski50's profile picture

Post# 536542 , Reply# 7   8/12/2011 at 11:54 (4,502 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
New Kenmore Ultra Wash Dishwashers

peteski50's profile picture
7 loading

Post# 536543 , Reply# 8   8/12/2011 at 11:54 (4,502 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
New Kenmore Ultra Wash Dishwashers

peteski50's profile picture
8 loading

Post# 536544 , Reply# 9   8/12/2011 at 11:55 (4,502 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
New Kenmore Ultra Wash Dishwashers

peteski50's profile picture
9 loading

Post# 536545 , Reply# 10   8/12/2011 at 11:56 (4,502 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
New Kenmore Ultra Wash Dishwashers

peteski50's profile picture
10 loading
I dont like the one piece sliverware backet. (lacks flexability)

Post# 536547 , Reply# 11   8/12/2011 at 11:57 (4,502 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
New Kenmore Ultra Wash Dishwashers

peteski50's profile picture
11 cycles
can run long

Post# 536548 , Reply# 12   8/12/2011 at 11:59 (4,502 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
New Kenmore Ultra Wash Dishwashers

peteski50's profile picture
12 cycles / options
doesent make sense that each option can be that much added time
It is also disappointing that the main wash is only heated to 130 and not 140!

Post# 536549 , Reply# 13   8/12/2011 at 12:00 (4,502 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
New Kenmore Ultra Wash Dishwashers

peteski50's profile picture

Post# 536550 , Reply# 14   8/12/2011 at 12:01 (4,502 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
New Kenmore Ultra Wash Dishwashers

peteski50's profile picture
cycle can run up to 3 hours - wow what were they thinking!

Post# 536551 , Reply# 15   8/12/2011 at 12:03 (4,502 days old) by peteski50 (New York)

peteski50's profile picture
The old models are stail available


Post# 536552 , Reply# 16   8/12/2011 at 12:10 (4,502 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Old ultra wash!

peteski50's profile picture
I was unable to obtain the manual for the older model just posted but on the above posted link you guys can see the manual and compare the specs between the new and old ultra wash.
I personally like the older models better - quicker washing time, higher washing temp, split silverware basket. So if you want a dishwasher get their quick before supplies run out!

Post# 536557 , Reply# 17   8/12/2011 at 12:36 (4,502 days old) by Westie2 ()        


Thanks for the post. Makes me glad we have our older Kenmore Elite it is going on 6 years old. No filters to clean and does a good job. Our silver ware basket is in 3 parts so hand. We have the knife basket too. The only thing is on the middle sliver basket some of the bottom has broken out. We guess from the heat on drying.

Post# 536558 , Reply# 18   8/12/2011 at 12:37 (4,502 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        
Water usage...

For so called high-efficiency dishwashers, the water usage is fairly high! Here now most dishwashers use about 12-15l on average for a standard cycle, some using as few as 7-10! In fact mine only uses 13l for the maximum Pots & Pans cycle - the normal everyday cycles use 10.

The differences between European and American appliances are always interesting!


Post# 536577 , Reply# 19   8/12/2011 at 14:02 (4,502 days old) by appnut (TX)        

appnut's profile picture

These are fairly low end, no SS tub and as you note, no splittable uensil basket. 

Post# 536610 , Reply# 20   8/12/2011 at 17:13 (4,502 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        

peteski50's profile picture
This Whirlpool vedio shows how one spray arm operates at a time most likely like the Frigidaire units. Kenmore doesnt seem to mention this but it must do the same thing!


Post# 536611 , Reply# 21   8/12/2011 at 17:45 (4,502 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
US DWs use more water than European models

combo52's profile picture

Keep in mind that US machines are a LOT larger inside and hold a lot more dishes. Both the top and bottom racks are about 4" deeper front to back and both racks are at least an inch wider, this translates into at least 25% more usable room inside to say nothing how much more easily you can wash large items that wouldn't fit in European machines at all.

Post# 536623 , Reply# 22   8/12/2011 at 19:28 (4,502 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Hi John,


The external Dimensions according to the sears website are 61cm x 61cm x 85cm

A standard Euro Dishwasher is 60cm x 60xm x 81cm tall, with the XXL 60cm x 60cm x 85cm


I'm not sure how an american dishwasher manages to be 10cm longer front to back than a euro one, when there is only 1cm difference between the exterior dimension.





Post# 536684 , Reply# 23   8/12/2011 at 22:56 (4,502 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        

peteski50's profile picture
On the Whirlpool website the new models are not displayed. I was just checking AJ Madison and the bottom of the page has 3 new models with instructions and all!


Post# 536727 , Reply# 24   8/13/2011 at 08:07 (4,502 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        

combo52's profile picture

Hi Nathan all I can suggest is to measure the racks I know just the other week when I was looking at the Bosch DWs at the local Lowes store there was at leash a 4" difference in the front to back space. Maybe these new KM Ultra DWs are smaller [ I would never have one anyway ]


. In my W Va house I installed one of the KA International Collection DWs that was made in Germany in the 1990s in the utility clean-up area. At first I was impressed with how quite it is, but then I found that nothing fits in it { I installed it to clean large pots and pans and parts from the outdoor Jenn-Air electric grill ]. And then I found out that it runs for hours and hours, and it does eventually get things clean looking but the final rinse water sitting in the sump is still dirty and the machine starts to smell by the time we use the house again in a few weeks.


If anyone would like this KA IC DW its free to a good home and a have a box of spare parts for them.

Post# 536813 , Reply# 25   8/13/2011 at 15:32 (4,501 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

The installation guide for a current kitchenaid shows that the depth is 62.5cm, width is 60.6cm.


I've just Measured the lower basket Miele at 51cm front to back, vs the 68 Fridgidaire at 58cm.  On the outside the Fridgidaire is 65cm deep.  So there is 2.8" difference there internally and no sound insulation Smile.


Can anyone measure what the depth is on the baskets in a newish US dishwasher?  Most of the basic models on the whirlpool website all seem to be 61cm deep.


That manual above suggests it only takes 10 place settings, I get 15 place settings into the same space, that washes in about 2/3's of the water.  The sump in mine is always clear when the machine finishes. 

Post# 536835 , Reply# 26   8/13/2011 at 18:37 (4,501 days old) by appnut (TX)        
New Whirlpools/AJ Madison

appnut's profile picture

Peter, thanks for the posting and new products.  As of the present, you can still get KitchenAids (fairly high-end models) and Maytags with soft-food disposer.  These new ones all have the filters.  And as usual the cyclews are longer--I can just hear y'all all bellowing now!!  And the overnight cycle is like 7 hours long--looks like all they did was incorporate their old 4-hour soak option into a typical cycle and voilla, the overnight cycle.  As y'all know, I"m not a rinser and I don't really scrape all that well either.  I used to talk with Greg quite extensively about him not scraping all that well nor rinsing when he had his Asko.  He very rarely found anything in the filter.  I think the big main difference between the ASKO and these Whirly products is that the ASKO  washed at very high temperatures of 155 to 170 degrees for main wash and emulsified anything in the filter that had collected and down the drian it went.  These don't have very high water temps, even with high-temp scrup option selected.  I wish these manufacturers would let me test these new products out.  My environment would still be beyond what a typical family does to their dishes and dishwasherss.  I'd love to get them to see the most intense with cooler temps wouldn't survive well in my applicatons.  I vaguely remember GE is working on their next dishwasher platform that will be produced at appliance park.  Will be interesting to see if their new products have filters or soft-food disposers.  If KitchenAid can offer product with soft food disposer that has a 48-50 dB level, I think that is very vey silent.  I thnk it's hogwash they are using the excuse that nongrinder models are quietest.  They just odn't wanna try and come up with technology that disposes of soft food and is quiet so they cop out and use European design. 


I remember ONE TIME I loaded our 1960 Waste King with berakfast dishes without pre-rinsing and ran it.  My mom was completely grossed out that there were scrambled egg remnants in the filter at the bottom of the tub.  So much for not ever prewashing anything that went into that dishwasher (or any subsequent dishwasher at our house--unless she was out of the house)

Post# 536856 , Reply# 27   8/14/2011 at 00:02 (4,501 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
New dishwashers!

peteski50's profile picture
I don't object to the filters and in fact I do like the way these new ones look. The loading looks easy and their is something cool about them. I also don't mind that each wash arm operates seperatly. What I don't like is the extreamly long operating times and well as the lower temperatures. To me this is a big lack in flexability as well as going several steps backwards. If at least if the wash temperature was higher it would also contribute to a faster washing time. I dont understand what the reason is. And yes I did get a laugh at that overnight up to 7 hour cycle. (how crazy is that)!

Post# 536902 , Reply# 28   8/14/2011 at 09:04 (4,501 days old) by RE563 (Fort Worth, Texas)        
I have to laugh

re563's profile picture
Growning up, we didn't have a dishwasher in the house. Mom would always tease us about getting one, then shut up about it. Back then (in the 1970's), I would hear people complain that the dishwasher would take an hour from start to finish. I never that that an hour was that long, considering that, (in most cases), 20 to 30 mins of the 60 mins was drying time. When I had my Bosch in Florida, it would take 110-120 mins. That never bothered my either. Infact, I liked that it took that long. It only used like 5 gals of water in the normal wash and everything always came out shinny clean. I would usually turn the dishwasher on around 9pm at night, so I didn't care how long it took. If I had to run it during the day, It was usually right after a meal and by the time I was ready to start preparing the next meal, the dishes we're done and I would unload before starting to cook. If it was a holiday or family get together, I would load it with utensiles and pots, Pans, and turn it on just before we would all sit down to eat.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. To me, these Kenmore Ultra Wash HE, remind me of the Bosch Wash system. Same Filter design, Same Wash arm shape, and spray jets. Only real difference is that Kenmore has an exposed heating element and he Bosch does not. I would so buy one of these right now. I only had to clean my filter once a month or sometimes less. Most times when cleaning the filter, simply running it under faucet with hot water would clean it off. It was very rare that I had to do any scrubing to it.

Post# 536907 , Reply# 29   8/14/2011 at 10:20 (4,501 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Cycle Times!

peteski50's profile picture
It is not even the cycle times themselves but the amount of time they use to heat water makes no sense - if anyone looks above it states it takes 25 to 45 minutes to heat water to 130 (what happened to heating to 140) I thought that was a more standard temperature. Also I personally want my dishes washed in hotter water. Also older models would go from 120 - 140 in about 15 minutes max! So I cant figure what this is all about. All this new stuff is so unnessary. Is the newer detergents designed to work in cooler water or what? Even with the cutback on water usage I cant figure out why it takes so long to heat it and why it is using lower temperatures to wash with. It should be the opposite taking less time to heat and utilizing higher temperatures.

Post# 536910 , Reply# 30   8/14/2011 at 10:50 (4,501 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Water Usage!

peteski50's profile picture
Another point - being less water is used being the arms operate one at a time water should be heated faster and at a higher temperature - the whole new concept make no sense!

Post# 536919 , Reply# 31   8/14/2011 at 11:13 (4,500 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

frigilux's profile picture
Thanks for posting the manual; as always, it's an education to learn how the newest machines work. Interesting that temps are getting lower. Wonder which brand will move it down to 120-125 degrees? I would imagine that detergent manufacturers are trying to come up with formulas that will work in lower temps.

I, like others here, have wondered how cycles can be so long, yet energy use is reduced. The manual states that there are "soak" periods in which the motor/pump isn't running. Suppose that explains a few things. I don't know how they could possibly use smaller motors and pumps. I think manufacturers have pushed those downsizes to their practical limit.

As for individual/alternating rack washing, I'm fine with it. My LG (and a Frigidaire I had before Smokey The Maytag) washes each rack alternately and results are spectacular. As long as the LG remains reliable (a big problem with LG dishwashers, according to Consumer Reports) I've never had a better dishwasher--and I've had a lot of 'em!

Post# 536924 , Reply# 32   8/14/2011 at 12:10 (4,500 days old) by appnut (TX)        

appnut's profile picture

Peter, lower wattage motors and lower wattage heating elemtns.  Both translate to much less power draw over time.  That was also a part of the intent of the design. 


I suspect for most households' applications, the 1-hour wash cycle is more than sufficient.  And the "enhancement" to that cycle over the generation of machine I have is that the dry cycle is an option for this cycle, where as, my quick wash 30 minute cycle doesn't offer that capability. 

Post# 536943 , Reply# 33   8/14/2011 at 13:13 (4,500 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
One Hour Wash!

peteski50's profile picture
I think a lot of people will use this option and I bet at least half. The problem is that you cannot use the hi temp or sani option with this cycle. So if you dont have hot enough water the dishes wont get really clean. Also people will probably just keep prerinsing. All told in my openion this process is highly ineffective. Really cracks me up that this cycle is the shortest.

Post# 536949 , Reply# 34   8/14/2011 at 13:37 (4,500 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

pierreandreply4's profile picture
me i use the smart wash cycle only and i use the no heat dry option the only options i use are the turbo zone option and high temp option as well as no heat dry i will never use the heat dry function on my dishwasher.

Post# 536983 , Reply# 35   8/14/2011 at 14:48 (4,500 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Is that silverware separating lid thing a PITA, or do you like it?    It seems like it would take much longer to place each piece in the little hole provided.  I would probably swing that cover open on the first use.   alr

Post# 536997 , Reply# 36   8/14/2011 at 15:56 (4,500 days old) by appnut (TX)        

appnut's profile picture

Peter, I really think most peopill rinse most everything off anyway.  I also am of the belief most families wouldn't use any options unless there was an illness in the family.  I odn't know of anyone that doesn't pre-rinse other than myself around here.  They all think I"m insane. 


Arthur, you're right.  It is a PITA.  I keep my baskets separate.  The big main one, I simply removed the lid all together when I gotmy machine several years ago.  The two smaller baskets, I kept the lids on just in case I needed them for small items.  the slots work very well for a bunch of kinves that might end up poking through the bortom of the basket without the lids.  I find flatware doesn't get as clean in my tough environment with the pieces being put in the little slots. 

Post# 537211 , Reply# 37   8/15/2011 at 16:49 (4,499 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Kenmore 360!

peteski50's profile picture
I saw this video and this is supposed to be the TOL series. I personally think this is piss poor performance not to mention something else to break as opposed to a straight arm. Their are also to many pauses also! I am anxious to hear how you guys like this one!


Post# 537266 , Reply# 38   8/16/2011 at 02:25 (4,499 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

I actually think the wash arm is a good innovation, it would get to every area of the machine.  That said, I HATE the spray and pause, I think a very stupid design.  No wonder a cycle takes 3 hours.  Put a decent pump behind the spray arm system , let it run for 20 or 30 minutes and be done with it. 

Post# 537294 , Reply# 39   8/16/2011 at 07:22 (4,499 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        

combo52's profile picture

Matt you are correct that this is a good wash arm design and like you I just cannot accept having a HOT DW running in my kitchen for even two hours. DWs have very little real thermal insulation around them, I am sure that it is not even R-2 in insulating value. The Frigidare DWs that have been around now for almost ten years do the alternate wash arm thing and they work very poorly and end up just moving food residue from one area of the machine to another. I guess one of these years I will try one of these new machines just to see how bad they are. Although my friend and coe owner Jason has had at least 20 different DWs in his house over the last ten years and none have worked as well as the 1/3 HP motor WP power-clean design and he always goes back to them.

Post# 537300 , Reply# 40   8/16/2011 at 07:48 (4,499 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        

peteski50's profile picture
It is amazing how backwards whirlpool has gone with these machines!

Post# 537305 , Reply# 41   8/16/2011 at 08:18 (4,499 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

pierreandreply4's profile picture
me i do not see anything wrong with this new wash arm desing i think its going to clean even better than the old desing the dishwasher i have do pause during the wash action but these are normarl with tall tub desing and i do not mind them at all.

Post# 537333 , Reply# 42   8/16/2011 at 10:27 (4,499 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)        

joe_in_philly's profile picture
What is the purpose of the long pauses? Does it do that during the entire cycle? It seems it spends more time doing nothing than washing!

Post# 537335 , Reply# 43   8/16/2011 at 10:33 (4,499 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        

combo52's profile picture

Are for soaking, it is an attempt to get dishes clean without expending any electricity.

Post# 537364 , Reply# 44   8/16/2011 at 13:06 (4,498 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        

peteski50's profile picture
I did some more research - I think the Asko is a better choice even though nothing is of the best quality. I do like the fact that you have more control over getting higher temperatures and the cycle times are a bit more reasonable in length!


Post# 537375 , Reply# 45   8/16/2011 at 13:43 (4,498 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)        
New wash arm design

peterh770's profile picture

The Whirly-Pee..  Would be nice to see more force...

Post# 537390 , Reply# 46   8/16/2011 at 15:47 (4,498 days old) by henry200 ()        
"The Whirly-pee" time for a prostate exam?

The new wash arm design is clever but that pitifully weak spray doesn't look like it could knock a stray piece of parsley off a plate.

Post# 537398 , Reply# 47   8/16/2011 at 16:18 (4,498 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

pierreandreply4's profile picture
kenmore dishwasher,

i have bought around 1998 a kenmore dishwasher and was very satisfy with it and around 2005 bought yet again a kenmore dishwasher witch i am very satisfy and if i have to buy a dishwasher again aka eather because of a move to a new house or because the one i had broke because it did its time i would most certainly buy a kenmore dishwasher again and i would not be suprise that in a few yesrs from now dishwasher use the power of steam to clean dishes the water sprays would mostly be use to disloge food from the plate and that would mean that water consomation would also be reduce if you look at the smart wash cycle its an high efficency cycle. just look at this model in my link

CLICK HERE TO GO TO pierreandreply4's LINK

Post# 537451 , Reply# 48   8/16/2011 at 21:44 (4,498 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

toggleswitch's profile picture
WHY WHY WHY do we insist on going to a design that includes a filter that is not self-cleaning?

Are none of the DW manufacturers smart enough to add an option that doubles or triples the motor/pump speed (in a "special" cycle/programme)to make machines perform the way they used to? Noise, water, comsumption, TIME efficiency, and results!

It's getting to the point that new dishwashers may have to be used just to rinse and dry-- and at that just and expensive drying rack to not have to LOOK at dishes (whether clean or dirty) on, in or near the sink.

I wish we could all get together and jury-rig a new, stock machine to really work quickly and well.

I really want to get a good-old fashioned commercial undercounter machine that does a two minute wash and two minute rinse. Even if I have to run the damned cycle three times!

Post# 537452 , Reply# 49   8/16/2011 at 21:53 (4,498 days old) by appnut (TX)        

appnut's profile picture

Steve, if you got one of those commercial machines and tried to put it in your apartment, you'd cause your whole building, if not the whole bock, to have a clackout and sparks flying evrywhere. 

Post# 537698 , Reply# 50   8/17/2011 at 21:24 (4,497 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland)        

surgilator_68's profile picture
I've only had 20 d/w's in 10 years? I'm slowing down. I think I've had 7 in this house alone.

Maybe I'll try one of these newfangled things. I guarantee you it won't clean like the power clean nor will it be able to handle the food that goes in there but I'll give it a shot. I'm sure it will be the cause of a few Joan Crawford moments.

Post# 538468 , Reply# 51   8/21/2011 at 08:23 (4,494 days old) by magic_clean (Florida)        
A few thoughts

*the use and care guide posted is for the least featured model that does not offer alternating spray arms. Alternating models use less water.

*don't think the video is accurate as far as pressure & pauses.

*the wash temperatures have been lower for several years now and the enzyme detergents do work well at temps of 125 or less.

*the reduced wash temps are kinder to glassware, overglazed patterns etc.

*certain Whirlpool built filter model machines do have variable speed wash systems.

Scraped dishes, loaded correctly with good detergent; the machines are more than capable of delivering a clean & dry load with a minimum of water and energy use.


Post# 538483 , Reply# 52   8/21/2011 at 10:02 (4,494 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
A few thoughts!

peteski50's profile picture
I could be wrong but I was informed all these DW's used alternating spray arms.
As for the cooler temps most people do have their water heated to 120 or 125 so why to just maintain that temp with a really long washing time is crazy. Origionally the purpose of lowering you water heater is to have the DW heat to a higher sanatizing temp. If people choose to wash their dishes at a lower temp, that is fine with me. Most loads I would do I want done with good hot water and the quicker the better. The problem with these newer models is that it doesnt give you a choise as to how you the consumer want to wash your dishes.

Post# 538490 , Reply# 53   8/21/2011 at 11:04 (4,493 days old) by appnut (TX)        
these newer models is that it doesnt give you a choise as to

appnut's profile picture
Peter, yes they do, IF they are knowledgeable about their machine. It's called, you select high-temp or sani temp options. That will get you 120 or 130 degree main wash temps, respectively. Final rinse temps will be 140 or 155 degrees respectively. I have to admit, I did think of you while my dishwasher was running last night. I had a pretty strange, and unusual load last ight that didn't purge any soil out the filter at those points inh the cycle. But, it DID drain the prwash water, which surprised me immensely because it's been extremely rare it does this without any purge. (It must have been the darker colored tomato sauce colored prewash water that tripped it to do that, same with lots of hot chocolate residue in mugs in the winter). For the lightest soil, the main wash is only about 30 minutes long and is about 115 degrees. Last night's main wash was 40 minutes, probably got to 120 degrees. When there is a purge in prewash, the main wash cycle is 58 minutes minimum and it does vary as to how hot the water heats to. But what was the kicker in the pants was the final rinse was almost 35 minutes long simply because it had to heat the final temp to 140. I remember think, oh this would drive Peter nuts. I don't really obsess over it, I just let it do its thing the way it was designed to do.

Post# 538493 , Reply# 54   8/21/2011 at 11:31 (4,493 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

dadoes's profile picture
Peter, the reason for lowering the household water is to save energy. Whether or not the dishwasher heats higher is incidental, not directly related. If the dishes can come clean out of the machine at lower temps, then even more water-heating energy is saved. Also, if you read the details closer on Pages 16 and 17 of the instruction manual you posted, it seems to be saying that the rinse is normally at 140F even when the wash is 105F.

Page 16 says High Temp increases the wash temp (on Normal and Pots & Pans cycles) from 105F to 130F. Nothing is referenced about rinse, so one would assume in that case the rinse stays at the "standard" temp.

Page 17 says that Sani Rinse increases the main wash from 105F to 120F, AND the final rinse from 140F to 155F.

So ... maybe I'm interpreting it wrong ... but I take it to mean that the standard temp of the final rinse is 140F. Selecting High Temp option increases the wash from 105F to 130F, leaves the final rinse at 140F. Selecting Sani Rinse increases the main wash from 105F to 120F (10F lower than High Temp) and the final rinse from 140F to 155F. High Temp PLUS Sani Rinse would (theoretically) give a 130F main wash and 155F final rinse.

Perhaps someone who knows the details can clarify.

Post# 538511 , Reply# 55   8/21/2011 at 12:47 (4,493 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

pierreandreply4's profile picture
me i have the sani rinse option on my kenmore dishwasher but i will never use the sani rinse option the only options i use with the smart wash cycle is the turbozone option and high temp wash option thats all.

Post# 538587 , Reply# 56   8/21/2011 at 16:46 (4,493 days old) by appnut (TX)        

appnut's profile picture

Glenn, there is an owners manual for the Kenmore Elite Pro online.  It said the main wash temp was raised from 105 to 120 for both high-temp and sani-rinse options.  The final rinse temp was raised from 140 to 155 when Sani--rinse option was used, so that leads one to believe the final rinse for no options is 140 degrees.


I just looked at the highest-end KitchenAid Superba and it said high-temp scrub raised main wash temp from 105to 120 degrees.  The sani rinse option raised main wash temp from 105 to 130 and final rinse temp from 140 to 155.  I particularly like to use sanirinse option when I've been cooking with beef or chicken and I have utensils in there that were used with the raw meat. 

Post# 538598 , Reply# 57   8/21/2011 at 17:14 (4,493 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        

peteski50's profile picture
If these dishwashers do heat the rinse water to 140 without options - that is a good thing. It is still disappointing that the hi temp wash option doesnt go to 140! Biggest issue here is even when hi temp option is used it takes a long long time to heat to 130. (whats the point in having a high temp option if it isnt really high temp)
I would also like to get more info on these dishwashers. I would also like to know if the spray arms work independatly as I thought or if is reserved for the TOL models!

Post# 538615 , Reply# 58   8/21/2011 at 19:07 (4,493 days old) by RE563 (Fort Worth, Texas)        
I would be willing to bet

re563's profile picture
That since this an ULTRA WASH he that the spray arms work independantly (one at a time). Since soil levels are not broken out, I would think, for example, that Normal would be prewash, main wash, purge, final rinse, plus dry time.

Post# 538631 , Reply# 59   8/21/2011 at 20:24 (4,493 days old) by appnut (TX)        

appnut's profile picture
Robert, the only cycle which guarantees a prewash is the Pots & Pans cycle and probably the 1-Hour cycle. Smart Wash, Normal, and Light China, the sensor is working full time to determine how full as well as the soil level of the load it's dealing with. Prewashes are eliminated if the soil is fairly light. At one of its pauses in the prewash, if it sees no need for a water change, then the next time the pump turns on, it advances to the main wash period and dispenser opens. Other than heated dry, no other option is available. As for Smart Waash and Normal, options will force the software into a standard default sequence of events. High-Temp will force a prewash, water exachange, and fill for main wash. TurboZone option simmply executes the same sequence as Normal with high-temp, but it also devotes time to the turbozone rotating little sprayers at tehe back being used for periods during the prewwash as well as main wash phases. As noted, Sani-Rinse will also force a prewash because it's going into the same sequence as that with hiih-temp selected, except the final rinse is heated to 155 instead of 140. I've also seen this on the cycle chart buried under the machine. Without options other than heated dry selected, heavy soil sensed in Normal cycle will cause it to select one of two temp options, adjust main wash time, may add additional post wash rinses. Smart Wash offers the widest range of main wash temp set points, based upon soil level sensed, and will also add more time to main wash and may add additional post wash rinses too. Pots & Pans will use maximum amount of water. High temp option or Sani Rinse option on Pots & Pans may increase temperature set during main wash. That's about as flexible as the cycles get. the best option is to leave all options off, unless heated dry, if you want the machine to do what it's designed to do. If you experience some less-than-satisfactory results with Normal and the sensors, then hit high-temp wash, but as stat4ed above, results may not be as good as with Pots & Pans and even with High-temp option selected.

Post# 538746 , Reply# 60   8/22/2011 at 11:12 (4,492 days old) by RE563 (Fort Worth, Texas)        

re563's profile picture
Thanks Bob.

In my previous post I was referring to the dishwasher manual the Peteski posted, but I now see what you are saying. Makes much more sense.

Post# 538864 , Reply# 61   8/22/2011 at 20:37 (4,492 days old) by magic_clean (Florida)        

with the "Smart" wash cycle have the alternating wash arms. The user guide page 16 above applies to the model in the link.


CLICK HERE TO GO TO magic_clean's LINK

Post# 538880 , Reply# 62   8/22/2011 at 21:13 (4,492 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Ultra Wash!

peteski50's profile picture
This book also refers to models with turbo zone so I think it related to a few models! But it is still confusing. Are you saying the ones with Smart wash option are the only ones that utilize one arm usage at a time?

Post# 538882 , Reply# 63   8/22/2011 at 21:24 (4,492 days old) by magic_clean (Florida)        
Peter, Yes

the models with the Smart wash cycle have the alternating spray arms. The 1301 unit referenced does not.

Post# 538886 , Reply# 64   8/22/2011 at 21:30 (4,492 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Ultra Wash!

peteski50's profile picture
So if thats true than it is only the 1301 that doesnt have alternating arms!
Thanks for the info.

Forum Index:       Other Forums:                      

Comes to the Rescue!

The Discuss-o-Mat has stopped, buzzer is sounding!!!
If you would like to reply to this thread please log-in...

Discuss-O-MAT Log-In

New Members
Click Here To Sign Up.

Discuss-o-Mat Forums
Vintage Brochures, Service and Owners Manuals
Fun Vintage Washer Ephemera
See It Wash!
Video Downloads
Audio Downloads
Picture of the Day
Patent of the Day
Photos of our Collections
The Old Aberdeen Farm
Vintage Service Manuals
Vintage washer/dryer/dishwasher to sell?
Technical/service questions?
Looking for Parts?
Website related questions?
Digital Millennium Copyright Act Policy
Our Privacy Policy