Thread Number: 36143
Review 1969 Philco Ford Washer - a Wiggler |
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Post# 538684 , Reply# 1   8/22/2011 at 05:45 (4,602 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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We thought the same thing about the one we found and sorta felt guilty about donating it to a thrift store. |
Post# 538694 , Reply# 2   8/22/2011 at 08:10 (4,601 days old) by JETCONE (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 538705 , Reply# 3   8/22/2011 at 08:59 (4,601 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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Do you mean that it took 10 years to turn over a load?!? |
Post# 538723 , Reply# 4   8/22/2011 at 09:39 (4,601 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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There is a huge difference between my 1959 Philco and a 1969 Philco. The earlier solid-tub versions had a smaller tub and were much better at turning the load over. Consumer reports rating the design very high when it first came out in '59. As they increased the size of the tub, the effectiveness of the washing action was diminished.
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Post# 538767 , Reply# 6   8/22/2011 at 12:15 (4,601 days old) by hydralique (Los Angeles)   |   | |
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Robert, I just love your Philco set! So pretty, one can almost imagine Miss America slouching against them. Good juxtaposition too with the Whirlpool combo to the left as the console designs are complementary. |
Post# 538787 , Reply# 7   8/22/2011 at 13:32 (4,601 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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Miss America never slouched. There have been troubles over the years, but slouching was never one of them. She might have stood with her hard, girdled ass against it, but her weight would have been supported on her own high heels, not the machine. |
Post# 538805 , Reply# 8   8/22/2011 at 14:43 (4,601 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))   |   | |
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Post# 538814 , Reply# 9   8/22/2011 at 15:19 (4,601 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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The OLDER ones would roll clothes so much that it will tie them in knots like a Frigidaire will if not loaded properly.. |
Post# 538818 , Reply# 10   8/22/2011 at 15:34 (4,601 days old) by joelippard (Hickory)   |   | |
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Post# 538874 , Reply# 11   8/22/2011 at 21:00 (4,601 days old) by JETCONE (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 538893 , Reply# 12   8/22/2011 at 21:51 (4,601 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 539094 , Reply# 13   8/23/2011 at 19:08 (4,600 days old) by JETCONE (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 539122 , Reply# 14   8/23/2011 at 22:36 (4,600 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 539125 , Reply# 15   8/23/2011 at 23:26 (4,600 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 539126 , Reply# 16   8/23/2011 at 23:29 (4,600 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 539128 , Reply# 17   8/23/2011 at 23:36 (4,600 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 539132 , Reply# 18   8/23/2011 at 23:52 (4,600 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 539133 , Reply# 19   8/23/2011 at 23:59 (4,600 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 539153 , Reply# 20   8/24/2011 at 03:57 (4,600 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)   |   | |
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Post# 539160 , Reply# 21   8/24/2011 at 05:16 (4,600 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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Could that washer double as a blender?Dennis the Menance could make his "Washer Milkshake" in that one! |
Post# 539176 , Reply# 22   8/24/2011 at 08:21 (4,599 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)   |   | |
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If you look at the flapilator, you see that the flap is highly undulated. There are three, small, nipple-like folds that force water out horizontally, but conversely there are three large fold pointed to the bottom of the tub. So there isn't enough force generated to push the load up and plenty of force down to roll the load into one big...doughnut! At first I was amazed at the amount of clothing I could continually feed into the machine when it was washing, but then I found the entire load hugging the bottom of the tub in one massive, dense...doughnut around the agitator. |
Post# 539180 , Reply# 23   8/24/2011 at 08:56 (4,599 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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My favorite thing about these washers, which has nothing to do with the actual washing ability, is the lovely turquoise color of the tub and the design of the agitator. That is my favorite color, and something about them just looks neat. I've never seen one actually work though of the later style. Also, maybe it's the opening of the tub, but the capacity looks huge in these things.
-Tim |
Post# 539183 , Reply# 24   8/24/2011 at 09:00 (4,599 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 539195 , Reply# 25   8/24/2011 at 10:56 (4,599 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Have loved Mantas all my life. Hope one day to catch a ride on the wavy black fin. Saw that once in a film. When I first saw a Philco flapper working I was in Manta Ray Heaven.
Alas, dear Jon, this beauty does not reside here; it is Jimmy Flterflo's machine. Was treated to its wonders a few summers ago at a Canton Wash-in.
There was a video of Robert feeding an already fully loaded Philco with more pieces, one at a time, and the machine just kept swallowing them up without a blink, and the load continued to move with just as much speed no matter how many things he kept adding. Checked See it Wash, etc, and could not find it. It will make you want a Philco NOW. If one of our club members finds it, please link it.
The white pants in the load were soiled, but came out sparkling. Gain detergent, a light load though, with the medium-high water level you see in the pic. This post was last edited 08/24/2011 at 11:12 |
Post# 539362 , Reply# 26   8/25/2011 at 00:05 (4,599 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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Would be interesting to see the mechanism for this washer-how it "flapulates" the agitator base. |
Post# 539645 , Reply# 27   8/25/2011 at 23:50 (4,598 days old) by alr2903 (TN)   |   | |
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MickeyD, it's still in the "see it wash" section. I like all the TM things the philco has "flex-a-wash", "contour fill". alr CLICK HERE TO GO TO alr2903's LINK |
Post# 539651 , Reply# 28   8/26/2011 at 00:31 (4,598 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))   |   | |
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Post# 539700 , Reply# 29   8/26/2011 at 08:41 (4,597 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 539735 , Reply# 30   8/26/2011 at 11:36 (4,597 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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I must have had a brain fart.
These three vids are wonderful. I really love the width and trajectory of the fill flume.
Fun to see Robert packin' that thing. Wondering how much more it would take to slow the flapper down.
Thanks again. Was really befuddled about not being able to find them. This post was last edited 08/26/2011 at 13:35 |
Post# 539772 , Reply# 31   8/26/2011 at 15:14 (4,597 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 539773 , Reply# 32   8/26/2011 at 15:16 (4,597 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 539779 , Reply# 33   8/26/2011 at 16:37 (4,597 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)   |   | |
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Ok I know I am english and have never seen one of those before but I still do not understand how it works?
I have watched the videos including the slow motion one and all I see is a disc going round at the bottom of the machine. Can someone please explain the mechanics of how it works to a dim but intrigued person...! Austin |
Post# 539785 , Reply# 34   8/26/2011 at 17:00 (4,597 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Hi Austin, Im sure someone will come along & explain the workings as far as I understand it uses an up and down motion at 575 strokes and converts that to the agi making it oscillate up down and around?? with the rubber discs and moulding on the agi it creates currents in the water which is how you see th clothes rolling over!! It doesnt use a gearbox as we know it like the hotpoint and has a ball point balance system that sounded like the Philips twinny when it was explained!!
Im sure there is a video of Robert with a mechanism out the cabinet and showing us how it works but cant find it!! heres a thread about the clutch, the trouble is theres sooo muchgood info on these threads but sometimes it takes a lot of searching for!! Hope this helps until the teccys come along!! CLICK HERE TO GO TO chestermikeuk's LINK |
Post# 539786 , Reply# 35   8/26/2011 at 17:01 (4,597 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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It wobbles somewhat akin to a Calypso. There's a u-joint sort of mechanism by which the lower disc wobbles, covered by a rubber boot when everything is assembled. This video was done by Robert during a bearing repair of his 1959 Automagic in January 2001. He posted a photo-essay of the repair but the searchable site archives don't go back far enough to include it. I do have the pics saved. 1959 Philco mechanism flapping without tub Note that the lower flapper/disc part of the agitator wobbles but it does not rotate. |
Post# 539799 , Reply# 36   8/26/2011 at 17:37 (4,597 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 539817 , Reply# 37   8/26/2011 at 18:29 (4,597 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 539848 , Reply# 39   8/26/2011 at 20:09 (4,597 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 539856 , Reply# 40   8/26/2011 at 20:33 (4,597 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 539857 , Reply# 41   8/26/2011 at 20:33 (4,597 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 539858 , Reply# 42   8/26/2011 at 20:34 (4,597 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 539909 , Reply# 43   8/27/2011 at 04:06 (4,597 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 539918 , Reply# 44   8/27/2011 at 06:12 (4,596 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)   |   | |
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Post# 539930 , Reply# 45   8/27/2011 at 09:17 (4,596 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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One thing that apparently needs to be cleared up about the early Philco design is in my experience I have never seen it tangle clothes and I've washed many loads in that machine of all sorts. It doesn't even tangle sheets. I'm not sure about the later design because I've never had one of those in my collection, but I can certainly speak for the early 12lb machine. Also I never use any special loading technique in that machine and still no tangling.
My only beef with that machine is it spins way too slow, 550rpm. |
Post# 539938 , Reply# 46   8/27/2011 at 10:47 (4,596 days old) by joelippard (Hickory)   |   | |
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Post# 540015 , Reply# 47   8/27/2011 at 18:58 (4,596 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 540049 , Reply# 50   8/27/2011 at 23:57 (4,596 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))   |   | |
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