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Post# 540111   8/28/2011 at 09:20 (4,486 days old) by marthalover4eve ()        

does doing boil-washes make the bearings brake??


what i got my WMA48 the bearings were sweet and i did boil-wash week in week out ( when i clean my hamster cage i use spray and use cloths and tea-towels so they need boiling now i use ariel bio + vanish hygiene so now i wash them at 40 ) and the bearing has gone slightly noisy

+ i do 3 boilwashs in a school week my bedding , school shirts , towels

so i just thought ide ask

+ is my indesit have a metal tub or plastic as my old indesit washer / dryer i had in my shed had a metal tub. thanks


Post# 540119 , Reply# 1   8/28/2011 at 10:21 (4,486 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

My hotpoint aqualtis has done a total of 3423 boilwashes since new in 2006
my candy has done 3 boilwashes (it doesnt get used much, only when i have small loads, large wash piles or handwash only garments need washing)
and the barings are fine in boath machines :)
the barings were more or less on theyr way out when you got it.
washer dryer need to have a metal tub to withstand the heat from the heating element, but washer only midels just have a standard plastic tub (except for miele,asko,older machies,ect)
Tom


Post# 540169 , Reply# 2   8/28/2011 at 14:54 (4,486 days old) by ultimafan ()        
I've never seen a connection with bearing failure and bo

I've always associated bearing failure with overloading and spin speeds, there's even been rumours that the liquid detergents have had some liability too! Boil washes are better for a machine IMO, as a low temp introduces mould, which is also bad.

Most washing machines have plastic tubs nowadays, I think it may only be Miele with metal tubs.


Post# 540178 , Reply# 3   8/28/2011 at 15:35 (4,486 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        

Miele has no metal tubs anymore in consumer machines but fiber glass/plastic tubs.
The only machines that I know in current production with metal tubs are the 5kg SMEG washing machines and Washer-dryers and those are going to go very soon as they're updating their line.

Anyway, at home I regularly do boil-washes for kitchen stuff and that never ever gave me problems!


Post# 540191 , Reply# 4   8/28/2011 at 16:09 (4,486 days old) by solsburian (SE Northumberland)        

The Bosch and Siemens water condensing washer dryers still have a metal outer tub too.

I only do boil washes when doing a monthly maintenance wash.


Post# 540211 , Reply# 5   8/28/2011 at 17:21 (4,486 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Miele still have stainless steel tubs, it's only the American giant machines that have the fibreglass tubs...

Jon


Post# 540241 , Reply# 6   8/28/2011 at 19:36 (4,486 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        

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ASKO still have stainless steel tubs too.



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Post# 540284 , Reply# 7   8/28/2011 at 22:47 (4,485 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Miele Only Introduced Fiberglass Outer Tubs

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For the North American market (mainly the USA) because they got tired of trying to wean those customers off the use of chlorine bleach.

After years of refusing to budge on the matter and claiming the high temps, oxygen bleach and excellent washing action would suffice, Miele gave way. Indeed the North American washers are the only one's I've seen directions given for the use of LCB


Post# 540349 , Reply# 8   8/29/2011 at 08:10 (4,485 days old) by iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        

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When I was looking for a new machine, I do believe the Speed Queen front loaders have a metal outer tub. At least they did.

 


Post# 540374 , Reply# 9   8/29/2011 at 11:08 (4,485 days old) by SuperElectronic (London, UK)        
"...a total of 3423 boilwashes since new in 2006"

Tom, are you running a hospital laundry? The Aqualtis seems to have been doing two boil washes daily! By rights it should be in a skip by now Wink! At last calculation, my 15 year-old machine has done fewer cycles in its entire service life...and only about 30 of those have been boil washes: I've never really seen the need for them in my circumstances. Maybe I'm just grubby though?

 

I can see the rationale behind boilwashing being hard on a machine: it should be the longest, most intensive programme going, and the longer it's on, the more it's wearing itself out!

 

Still, for pure washer enthusiast enjoyment, nothing quite beats working up a head of steam and putting it through its paces!

 

Alex

 

 

 

 


Post# 540376 , Reply# 10   8/29/2011 at 11:25 (4,485 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

lol! no Alex, not hospital laundry, but what i would call "bomb feild washing"
simply meaning that my brother takes a bath god knows how many times a day and me and mum normaly find bits of his washing loling around in his room (eww!)
i may be a young teenager my self but my laundy standards are high lol :)
normaly machines in this house reach 3 years old max before theyt get binned, my hotpoint is like a cheap version of a miele! :)
Tom :)


Post# 540380 , Reply# 11   8/29/2011 at 11:36 (4,485 days old) by HotpointFan (United Kingdom)        
We do about 8 - 9 loads a day!

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So the Bosch's replacement (if their is one) must be bloody well built!

How are you all?

Jacob


Post# 540394 , Reply# 12   8/29/2011 at 12:45 (4,485 days old) by SuperElectronic (London, UK)        
HOW is that possible? I mean...HOW???

How many people must you have in the family to wash 8-9 times daily?

 

Frankly, the mind boggles with the possible scenarios but none of them are suitable for the public domain.

 

If I were to be outrageously judgemental, I'd say you all must have OCD and should seek councilling. Fortunately, it's really none of my business Laughing! I can only hope your families are sufficiently well-off enough to afford what must be huge electricity bills.

 

May you all continue enjoy your intensive laundry schedules; it must be fun!

 

Alex


Post# 540395 , Reply# 13   8/29/2011 at 12:50 (4,485 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

only 4 lol!
slowly its going down!!
my brother is going into the army so less washing :)


Post# 540396 , Reply# 14   8/29/2011 at 13:00 (4,485 days old) by HotpointFan (United Kingdom)        
There are...

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... me, my mum, my dad and a sister and lots of guinea pigs and rabbits. The thing is, me and my mum cuddle our pets a lot, so our clothes and the towels we use for cuddles constantly need washing because my dad is allergic to the hairs. I am also a bit of a clean freak and my bedding is changed between once a week!

Jacob


Post# 540414 , Reply# 15   8/29/2011 at 14:56 (4,485 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        

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I always wash my whites @ 95°C ("Boilwash") with no problems :)

Ingemar


Post# 540439 , Reply# 16   8/29/2011 at 17:26 (4,485 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        

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Mostly wash whites at 60deg but once a month i wash at 90deg. The reason i don't wash at 90deg more often is the fact that the Hoover 90deg wash has a pre-set 40deg pre-wash before which is not needed.

Post# 540627 , Reply# 17   8/30/2011 at 15:04 (4,484 days old) by dascot (Scotland)        

There's no way with that number of people and animals that it should lead to 8-9 washes per day... But, well, you do what you do I guess.

Have never had any trouble with boil washes causing problems for a machine. I don't use them all the time, but do occasional ones.


Post# 540635 , Reply# 18   8/30/2011 at 15:34 (4,484 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy)        
Hum... can I call a 70 degree cycle a boilwash?

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I seldomly do a boilwash... meaning... a 90 degree wash cycle. But I often use 70 degree wash cycles which seem more than adequate for my needs. I usually do that with fast-colour towels and white cotton sheets. Besides, I don't see any advantage on raising the temperature above 70... it's just a waste of electricity and water (the machine does a wasteful cooldown with that temperature).

Cheerio :-)


Post# 540679 , Reply# 19   8/30/2011 at 19:22 (4,484 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
boil wash is bad for clothes

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i would say that boil wash for clothes is bad and second of all its wasting electricety in my point of view if you really went to save on your electric bill you should wash only in cold water and a cooldown on a wash load is not bad its to prevent wrinkles on the clothes me if i have to wash in warm water witch in other word is my bedding my washer do a cooldown that way it protects the fabric all perm press cycles(casual) on some washer do a cooldown to protect fabrics.

Post# 540682 , Reply# 20   8/30/2011 at 19:31 (4,484 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

Boilwashes are good for the machine and clothes!!!

Post# 540684 , Reply# 21   8/30/2011 at 19:40 (4,484 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
"Boilwashes are good for the machine and clothes"

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While there may be some benefits for the washing machine, routine high temperature laundering greatly shortens the lifespan of most textiles/garments sold today. This is one reason many do not like sending their better things much less their finest textiles to commercial laundries.

By their nature most commercial laundries use very high wash temps (>160F)and or harsh detergents and bleaches not only to ensure soil removal but to add measure of hygiene due to laundering varied persons articles in the same wash.

Years ago linens, shirts and such were designed and produced to withstand frequent boiling washes. This would include running up articles much larger than required to compensate for shrinkage, as well as using sturdy weaves that could not only take hard laundering but the ironing that surely followed. For instance bed linens were usually heavy linen or cotton muslin.


Post# 541054 , Reply# 22   9/1/2011 at 15:04 (4,482 days old) by hoovermatic (UK)        
8-9 washes a day!!

When there were 6 of us living at home and my brother playing football everyday and Mum regularly washing the whole team kit as well as school uniform and her all the regular clothes she never did 8 or 9 washes a day. It's just mad, definitely OCD and sheer weate, but hey, it's your money or rather, your parents! I am amazed they allow it!

Post# 541086 , Reply# 23   9/1/2011 at 16:55 (4,482 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        
Hoovermatic

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Yes I was also wondering. Their money or parents money? Quite often see things like "My new Bosch Iron" or "Jumped in the back of my car" or "My somethingorother". Very amused at how such things belonging to Mothers and Fathers are made out to be belongings of children.

Makes me wonder if we have folk lying about their ages and are actually adults earning a wage to afford such things or a bunch of what would of been described as 'Jumped up' kids in my day.

Either way im finding less and less reason to enter the Deluxe forum to read and to be fair finding less reasons to post in Vintage due to the fact im sick of having photos and videos taken by kids who cant even give a token word of thanks when they re post them in their silly youtube videos or uncalled for threads and give credit to the actual person who owns them! Its now a world where the elders owe the kids everyting it seems.





Post# 541091 , Reply# 24   9/1/2011 at 17:50 (4,482 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

Yeh but that bosch iron acually is MINE Rob, my mum gave it to me as she preferd her old black and decker iron, i use the bosch iron to give items that i have made on MY sewing machine a nice neat fininsh.
(carries on ironing)
also keep your eyes peeld as i am changing my lolcat to somthing that showas i dont really give a damn aboiut what people say


Post# 541092 , Reply# 25   9/1/2011 at 17:54 (4,482 days old) by mrx ()        
Think of the environment!

I know some of you really like doing laundry, but please spare a thought for the environment!

8 or 9 washes a day is a vast amount of detergent, water and electricity that really is being used unnecessarily.

Not only is it bad for the environment, it's also very bad for whoever is paying the electricity bill's bank account!

You'll also wear out and destroy clothes unnecessarily. No washing machine or detergent combination is utterly harmless to clothes. Every wash takes some colour out (dye bleed) and damages / weaken the fibres.

If you are managing your laundry correctly, you should be trying to minimise the number of washes you do, not maximising them.

Sort your colours / fabric types.
Fill your machine to capacity.
Wash on the lowest temp that you can get away with.

I find a lot of the stories of stinking machines etc a bit odd.
We run our machine maybe once every 2 days or so, it usually washes at 40ºC and we have never had any of these mould / mildew problems and our clothes are perfectly clean.


Post# 541100 , Reply# 26   9/1/2011 at 18:56 (4,482 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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me in my case the main reason i wash in cold water is to protect the enviroment because (i have read on the internet that frequant washing in hot water raise the risk of global warming of of the earth{*off topic for a sec here}) if you need to do a boil or hot water wash maybe you should do this only when its nesecary and if you need to do a wash load maybe use cold water temp cool water temp(depending on washer model) or a warm water wash and do boil wash loads occasanaly like for explem after someone is sick to kill the germs or when you have something that needs to be bleach.

Post# 541297 , Reply# 27   9/2/2011 at 20:59 (4,481 days old) by zanussi_lover (Nottingham, UK)        
I do 30*c

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I only do about one wash a week =]

and I wash at 30*c with one biological tablet (Almat Bio)

i use this for whites and colours, my darks have limited fading, and my whites are nice and bright.

sheets and towels get 40*c and on occasion the odd 60*c wash, I dont have allergies, and i change my sheets and towels regularly. my towels dont smell of mildew or come out smelling damp when washed at 40*c. I use a Biological Tablet with Bleach in it, which helps remove the odours.

I dont use the tumble dryer either, i dry my clothes outside on a clothes horse, everything smells nice and fresh :)

I reckon you only need a 60*c wash if your washing heavily soiled items like teatowels (kitchen) and really dirty clothes. 40*c is more than adequate or even 30*c for darks or colours.

Think of saving energy...and the planet =]



Post# 541303 , Reply# 28   9/2/2011 at 21:44 (4,480 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
I only do about one wash a week =]

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How on earth do you get away with that and still wear fresh underwear, socks daily not to mention shirts, jeans/trousers/outer tops and washing of towels/ sheets?

 

When single, I would do an average of 3-4 loads a week (lights and darks every 2 weeks...towels every 10 days with whites and sheets weekly).  Admittedly, that was a smaller machine, but I do 5 loads weekly for us with a 6.5kg machine.....

 

But then, maybe you wash your towels and bed linen monthly?


Post# 541306 , Reply# 29   9/2/2011 at 21:52 (4,480 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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me in my case i wash everyday and once a month i wash my bed sheets but i wash them in warm water as my bed sheets are non bleachable and when i go back to a toploading washer here are the wash and rinse temp that i will use normal cycle i will use cold water wash 1 light and no colored clothes cool water temp and bedding warm water i will never use or select the hot water temp unless absolutely needed like recovering from a cold to kill the germ cold other wise the temps i will use are cold water wash cool water wash warm water wash with cold rinse.

Post# 541334 , Reply# 30   9/3/2011 at 01:00 (4,480 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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I don't boilwash a lot, but because I have a dustmite allergy I was told by the Pulmonary Care Nurse to wash as much on 60*C as much as possible. Especially bed linens and other stuff in the bedroom. Ofcourse my tighty whities are also washed on that temperature.

Post# 541368 , Reply# 31   9/3/2011 at 07:21 (4,480 days old) by zanussi_lover (Nottingham, UK)        
I do one wash a week =]

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Ronhic, most of my clothes are dark or coloured, all my boxers/socks are black, so i dont need to sort them i just stick em all in together, fill the machine up, set it to 30*c and put in a tablet and some conditioner.

My clothes are mostly lightly soiled so never need a hot wash

My towels I use about 3 times before I wash them, after each use I air them out so they dry out, they never smell mildewy, my sheets get washed every 2 weeks as i have quite a few sets.

I also only have a few white clothes, if i need one item but dont have a full load i will handwash it in the sink, and then spin it in the washing machine.

also i try to wear my clothes more than once, apart from socks and underwear which i wear once for hygiene. My t-shirts get worn twice before washing
jeans get washed every 2 months as they dont get dirty and they are black :)





Post# 541371 , Reply# 32   9/3/2011 at 07:29 (4,480 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        

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Jeans washed every 2 months?

And they dont exfoliate your skin while you wear them, or absorb perspiration or pick up odours from cooking smells or your environment.

Kyle, following recent outbursts by yourself Id suggest you were little more than an attention seeker.

You contradict yourself so many times its embarrassing,

Get a grip for once and stop darn lying.


Post# 541382 , Reply# 33   9/3/2011 at 08:39 (4,480 days old) by zanussi_lover (Nottingham, UK)        
Rob

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Its you, you have a massive chip on your shoulder

I do wash my jeans every 2 months, sometimes once every month...im not contradicting myself, and in this blog im only suggesting an opinion, everyone does laundry differently, but i do it in the most ecological way possible. and I look after my clothes.

Rob i suggest you drop your attitude mate, because your really annoying, the only attention seeker is you...and your pathetic!!,

However this is autowashicwasher.org better maintain some decorum and i suggest you get some as well.

Heres some toilet tissue, go and wipe your mouth theres a good man!!



Post# 541383 , Reply# 34   9/3/2011 at 08:52 (4,480 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        

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Says the one who posted an obscene name on my facebook page. yes quite the grown up aint you?????

Caught out yet again Kyle so I can understand your pride is hurt. Nevermind Il continue about my business, Good Luck.


Post# 541385 , Reply# 35   9/3/2011 at 09:02 (4,480 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        
Boilwashes?

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An absolute must for cheap clothing, well any clothing that can take it.

Have noticed Next, Burtons, George's and F&F clothing dropping in price and understandably perceptional quality when inspected in shops.

However what we have found is that while they appear to be thinner those £1 and £2 (£8 and above from Next etc) basic white teeshirts from the above retailers actually benefit greatly from always washing on a 95degree cycle.

The weave of the fabric tightens up making a softer closer weave that feel better than the quality of most £20+ garments and the life of the ones I have have been greater than the £40/50 RL T shirts I used to wear and wash on delicate cycles .

Same goes for tea towels I have bought exceptionally cheaply,

Always buy a size larger due to some shrinkage, give it a boilwash before wear and see what you think. They just get better and better the more you boilwash and wear them!




Post# 541393 , Reply# 36   9/3/2011 at 09:39 (4,480 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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your way wrong when you wash your clothes in hot water (*not recomended by the way) shorten the life of the clothes the max temp allowed for hot water wash is 50 degrees max or to use caution me in my case i will always wash in cold water including white if i have some and bedding will always be wash in warm water. So in my case i will never use the hot water temp on my washer.

Post# 541395 , Reply# 37   9/3/2011 at 09:48 (4,480 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        

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Pierre

may I ask how old you are?


Post# 541396 , Reply# 38   9/3/2011 at 10:11 (4,480 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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37 years old and i was tought to do all my washing in cold water and thats what i always use as a water temp the only time i switch to warm is for my bed sheets

Post# 541397 , Reply# 39   9/3/2011 at 10:21 (4,480 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        
your way

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Well that suits you just fine.

However my findings are just as valid as what you might find doing it your way.

Can you define the actual temperature in degrees *C when you mean COLD?

Cold can mean so many things in my experience.


Post# 541398 , Reply# 40   9/3/2011 at 10:35 (4,480 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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cold water means for your kind of washer 30 degrees because my washer do not have a water heater and here is a pic of my washer in case you are wondering the model and its a generation 1 2004 whirlpool duet

Post# 541401 , Reply# 41   9/3/2011 at 11:03 (4,480 days old) by ultimafan ()        
I agree with Rob

Cheap clothing can take a hot 95 degree wash, they can withstand the temperature, the issue is whether it is worth washing such cheap clothing at high temperatures. I've never believed that clothes get damaged due to hot temperatures, especially after watching the Persil Power report, it depends on the wash speed and the type of detergent used, not temperature. I personally don't use 95, but a good 60 degrees with prewash is the best thing to use, and 40 for the rest. Anything like 30 or lower turns the machine into a mould factory (experienced first hand when I found white mould growing in the door seal, even with the door open as the low temp isn't enough.

Post# 541415 , Reply# 42   9/3/2011 at 13:00 (4,480 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK)        
I do wash my jeans every 2 months, sometimes once every mont

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Sorry, but that is absolutely rancid! It's bad enough that you wash at 30, but every two months? That's just plain dirty!

Think about it - body temperature is 37.5 degrees. How do you expect all the bacteria caused by sweating, flaking skin cells and air pollution on your clothes to have been removed effectively at 30 degrees? If anything, you're creating a delightful, damp breeding ground in your washing machine. This isn't so much a problem for clothes worn for a few days, but for sheets and towels that get a lot of rough use, it's essential.

As for my washing habits, I tend to do the following:

White towels, dishcloths and tea towels - Cottons 95 in bio
Coloured towels and bedding - Cottons 60 in bio
Light colours (t-shirts, work shirts etc) - Minimum Iron 40 with colour detergent
Darks (jeans, t-shirts, underwear, socks, jumpers etc) - Cottons 40 with colour detergent
Delicates (work jumpers mostly) - Delicates 40 with Dreft


Post# 541435 , Reply# 43   9/3/2011 at 14:48 (4,480 days old) by nrones ()        
What a nice discussion

Well, here's part from me :)

I boilwash a lot. That is my daily cycle, not just for whitest whites, but for coloured (resistant) towels, and all other coloured stuff that need a good wash, and colour doesn't fade (coloured towels and underwear). White clothes still remaining white, and coloured coloured - looks strange, but it is.. you can see few boilwash vids on my Youtube channel, with a typical loads so you can get the image :)

why is boilwash my regular cycle? I (we) stain a lot, a lot of stains of food and ground, at least there is one item in the load with that, and I don't want to waste my money (and time) with 1.000.000 stain remoover procedures, so just boilwash, and that's it! It also keeps my machine dazzling clean! I tried over 30 times, 60 just don't remoove stain completely.. My old Candy's drum, after 13years of such use from the outside looked just a little different as on the inside! So, nothing bad for machine there!

Wondering about 8-9 loads per day? Are your daily loads looking like the one in the link? If yes, then it is obvious how are you managing it xD


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Post# 541456 , Reply# 44   9/3/2011 at 16:30 (4,480 days old) by ultimafan ()        
.I didn't catch the stuff about the jeans previously....

Oh lord, do you wash your jeans monthly? I'm going to assume you have so many pairs of jeans you don't need to run a wash so often. The more I read the replies, the more glad I am for washing my clothes at 40/60 instead of cold, we need to remember that our clothes deserve a good wash at a good temperature, with me its 60+prewash for towels and whites (with a good soap powder), and 40 for everything else like coloured clothes (any liquid detergent), and 95 to give the machine a routine clean.

It's easy to blame Global Warming on laundry, but really the machines of today are getting more and more efficient (A++ is the new A+) they use much less water and electricity, so it is better all around to avoid the cold wash).


Post# 541460 , Reply# 45   9/3/2011 at 16:50 (4,480 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
aquarius1984

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Rob,

If only they was a like button on Automaticwasher.org i would have to press it quite a few times on your replies.


Post# 541461 , Reply# 46   9/3/2011 at 16:58 (4,480 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        
Optima

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lol

I dont pussyfoot around thats for sure.

Do you happen to be on facebook?


Post# 541463 , Reply# 47   9/3/2011 at 17:25 (4,480 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        

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Yes Rob,

Craig Young & my profile pic is my new living rm.


Post# 541507 , Reply# 48   9/4/2011 at 04:12 (4,479 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy)        
I can't be persuaded into using cold water again!

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I might not have as much experience as some of you lot... but I can assure you that I've tried many ways of washing in the last few decades and I've always been actively seeking what could be the best solution for my laundry... being quite demanding over my wash results... so today I can say I feel strongly about washing at reasonably high temperatures (unless you use certain specific products... I found Ariel Excel Gel to to the job nicely but I felt it was far too expensive and not really worth it).

I'm sure some of the statements here are a little too genaral and don't take account of all the facts, e.g. high temperature is bad for the machine... well, of course if you run the hotest cycle on the longest programme on you machine all the time, it will demean its longevity (at least some of the component such as rubber bellows and drain pumps) compared to a machine which is permanentely used on low temperatures (and probably swarming with bacteria), however, why not trying and get the best of 2 worlds: a combination of a relatively high temperature (60/70 degrees and 50 for darks garments) on the shortest available cycle.

I don't want to be the one for dictating the best laundry practices with a front loader, I just want to share what I truly found to be the best solution after many years of trial & error, which offers great wash results with minimal wear and tear for both the machine and your laundry: that's right... you can even wash coloureds on higher temperatures than those commonly accepted and they would still retain pristine properties as long as the wash programme envisages a relatively short main wash.

I only use cold/cool water (15/30 degrees) for items which have not been worn... such as curtains or backpack/satchel, single items, very ligh soil or particularly small loads.

Bye now ;-)


Post# 541794 , Reply# 49   9/5/2011 at 13:08 (4,478 days old) by hoovermatic (UK)        
Cold can mean so many things in my experience.

Rob

That is the crux of the matter with cold water washing - I lived in Australia for 5 years and rarely washed in anything other than 'cold' water but when the weather for so many months of the year is in excess of 30C and often hit 40C+ especially in Perth, 'cold' is not so 'cold' at all and that is why it is so successful. I used Cold Power detergent and I can assure everyone, except the Australians, who don't need convincing, my laundry was spotless, fresh and clean and I never suffered any skin conditions and never have. The same cannot be said in the UK for example because our 'cold' is too 'cold' and I guess that is why when Ariel talk about cold water washing they are actually talking about 15C. I did pursue this in the early 1990's and was told that below 10 degrees celcius 'bodily fluids' do not dissolve and that is why cold water washing is not really on the menu and also the detergents don't function. I am sure there are more scientific definitions - personally, if I was to move back to Australia tomorrow I would not hesitate to revert to cold water washing - it works, it saves money and it is kind to your clothes, regardless of what anyone who has never tried it says! Besides, if I was doing 8 or 9 loads a DAY, I would be doing cold water washing, even if I had to break the icicles off the clothes lol!


Post# 541866 , Reply# 50   9/5/2011 at 18:45 (4,478 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
Washer with no hot water temp

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for anyone that still think that a hot water temp is a must do take the time to look at this particular washer witch is a rebadge whirlpool sure its a top load but to everyone in the uk do try to answer this what would you do if one day or in the near future you found on the market a Front loading washer offering only 2 water rinse temp and i know that i myself use a washer like this one while on vaction with my whole family so do not say that i am wrong or anything or to keep my opinion to myself this is a fact and need to accept that this may happen in the near future.

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Post# 541867 , Reply# 51   9/5/2011 at 18:46 (4,478 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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by 2 temp i mean wash temp and rinse temp forgot this as i typed

Post# 541885 , Reply# 52   9/5/2011 at 19:59 (4,478 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
Pierre....

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...certainly, it MAY happen. But what we tend to forget is that different countries approach the achievement of energy and/or water efficiency goals in different ways.

 

This is being very general, and please correct me if I am wide of the mark, but:

 

  • in the USA, government has mandated the changes and effectively forced, through a combination of incentives (I nearly put 'industrial bribes' there) to manufacturers to build efficient machines. Some local authorities offer the consumer incentives when you buy efficient appliances. Basically, government is effectively forcing the American people to buy a particular way by encouraging manufacturers to only offer efficient machines in order to get their incentives.
  • in the UK and Europe, the public appear to have a grasp of efficiency. Electricity and gas are not 'cheap' compared to the USA. Having lived in the UK for 3 years, I don't remember any incentive scheme that financially encouraged people to buy efficient appliances - most washers already were given 95% or more that are sold in the UK are front load with internal heaters. Costs are going down as water usage goes down - it costs less to heat 15 litres than 30 litres....simple maths
  • in Australia, a different tact was taken again. We left manufacturers to do their own thing and provided an incentive direct to the consumer to buy a water efficient appliance (or replace an inefficient toilet - mine were done for free!). Consumers purchasing habits have changed what is available in conjunction with well publicised water shortages. The majority of Australians already wash in 'tap cold' water.

So the deal is this:

 

  • Europe already use high efficiency machines and have done for years. They are getting more and more efficient with lower temperature detergents being made available to encourage a switch from 60c to 30-40c or lower.
  • Australians are moving from a culture of top load users to front load/high efficiency top load users. 20 years ago, 10% of machines sold were Front Load. Today, it is more than 50% front load. The majority already wash in cold water and our detergents are formulated for use in cold water as a result.

Basically Pierre, where I'm going is that governments in Europe and Australia don't need to force change on manufacturers, and therefore the population - the population is forcing that change of their own accord. We want access to high efficiency machines that offer cold water options and local governments (in Australia) are providing the incentives direct to the consumer to change.

 

So your scenario, whilst relevant in the USA, is unlikely to be the case elsewhere.


Post# 541903 , Reply# 53   9/5/2011 at 21:38 (4,477 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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i understand this and evryone has diffrent methode when it comes to washing and by the way i am canadian and if you look at the pic of my washer on the left Post# 541398, Reply# 40 its the kind of model that has no water heater in it and in my home i am the one doing all the washing and i can say that when it brakes i will be going back to a toploading washer as i do not like the washer i have because what i hate on the washer i have is the long wash time for me a 10 minute wash is more than engough and i am not coming back in that thread at all so this is my final point.

Post# 541930 , Reply# 54   9/6/2011 at 01:22 (4,477 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
Pierre...

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I know that you're Canadian, and I wasn't being rude by appearing to ignore that....I simply don't know what the Canadian government has done to mandate appliance efficiency (is it the same as the US or more similar to Europe or Australia or something different?), whereas many Americans on here have been forthcoming telling readers the scenario I mention above.

 

The other key thing I did consider is that, because Canada is a neighbour of the USA and has a free trade agreement with the USA, it is possible that any American made or American specification washers are not altered when they are sent north - that would make sense from a marketing (ecologically sound) and financial basis (why have multiple circuit boards for a similar market - send them ours!).

 

It might interest you to know that I had written the post as 'North American', but then changed it because I have no idea about what Canada does as I mentioned above.

 

Now, on another point you make about your current front loader not having a heater and your preference for a top loader. 

 

Our markets are different. Australians' still have a lot of choice compared to North Americans when it comes to the efficiency of their machines. 'Water Hog' machines, once the domain of almost every laundry in the country are, generally, out of favour with the population - but every 'High Efficiency' Top loader on the market here can be made to work as a 'water hog' if we want it to. Just press the relevant button and away it'll go. The same goes for temperature. You want tank hot water....no problem, but then most Australians already wash in cold, so it's a moot point.

 

As for Front Loaders, here we tend to follow Europe rather than America. Firstly, most front load machines here are 60cm wide which works well with fitted laundrys given the standards are 30,45,60cm ...when it comes to cupboard door width - the same as Europe. Secondly, with the possible exception of Speed Queen machines, every domestic front load machine sold in this country since about 1998 has had a heater in it - the majority being cold water connect only.

 

So whilst your comments are very relevant for you and possibly North America in general, they are not neccessarily accurate for the rest of the world.....Neither Europeans or Australians have needed a big stick waved at them by government, via the manufacturers, to buy energy or water efficient machines. We've been presented with choices and, on occassion, the consumer has been provided a financial incentive to sweeten the change to efficient machines...but ultimately, the consumer chose, not the government.

 

Anyway, you go knock yourself out and buy whatever rings your bell next time - just like all of us should. But I would appreciate it if you don't go off 'half-c***ed' when someone dares to try and provide you with different scenarios or show you why you may be wrong.

 

Regards

 

Chris

 

 


Post# 542054 , Reply# 55   9/6/2011 at 17:43 (4,477 days old) by zanussi_lover (Nottingham, UK)        
My Jeans

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I have alot of Jeans, and they dont need washing alot, so thats why i wash them every few months,

1) 30*c cleans a majority of my clothes fine, without any odours

2) alot of my clothes are worn once or twice without any visable stains

3) alot of my clothes are dark, so a hotter wash will fade them

4) im keeping my electric bill down and my clothes are clean

5) Its my way and i dont expect anyone to like how i do my laundry, but it works for me and i have no mould in my washing machine as i keep the door ajar after every wash, so it dries out and I use Biological Tablets with oxygen bleach

6) i do use 60*c to clean my towels/teatowels and occasionally do my bedding at 60*c

My housemate does all his washing at 60*c and he washes white towels and darks together, it annoys me because 60*c all the time just wastes electricity and when you live in a shared house, you have to pay more in electric for someone else.


Post# 542273 , Reply# 56   9/7/2011 at 16:19 (4,476 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy)        
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Hi there... just a quick remark: you said that you flat mate does all their washing at 60 degrees... I guess in the same washing machine :-)

Bacteria take time and several washes to build up... if you alternate hot washes and cold washes your machine would always be impeccably clean and free of odours. The trouble comes when you use a modern front loader on cold (15 degrees) month after month and never do a single warm/hot wash.

Some time ago it was the norm for me to do cold washes as well as hot washes in an alternate fashion and never had any problems... but at some point I decided to switch to cold at once (since my electricity firm had put their prices up) and I was submitting my daily driver to a cold wash after another cold wash for months on end until I realised that my wash wasn't as fresh as it used to be... especially if left in the wardrobe for several weeks... so... that's when I realised that people's claim about smelly laundry is not totally unfounded. My laundry never got to the stenchy stage though... good grief :-O


Post# 542348 , Reply# 57   9/8/2011 at 03:43 (4,475 days old) by hoover1100 (U.K.)        
Lots of interesting thoughts put accross here,

First of all I would say that washing at the highest temperatures does not cause damage to the machine; heat causes metal to expand, this is why some of the noises your machine makes are different during or just after a boil wash. Once the machine has cooled down they should return to normal.

Since we have retired our modern Zanussi and put our Hotpoint 9530 into everyday use, we have been washing all our whites on prog.1 (85c). I have noticed my whites are far cleaner, whiter and fresher having been washed on this programme than they were when washed at 60c in this and other machines. It also negates the need to add stain remover (which I did previously at 60c), a heavy soil dose of Persil bio powder alone does the trick! I wear a lot of white and I cook a lot of ‘red’ foods (Bolognaise, Chilli con carne etc.). Anyone who has tried to get dried on tomato puree out of a white top I’m sure will know how difficult a stain it is to remove without pre-treating or adding stain removers (some severe stains I have had to boil wash twice to remove completely!). As for damage to clothing by high temperatures, I have noticed no more damage or shrinkage than I did before, but as with washing at any temperature I always pull t-shirts and such back into shape when wet.

Despite the increased water and energy consumption of the Hotpoint, and despite washing more often at 85c when before we only washed at 60c, our gas bills have gone up ever so slightly (being a hot and cold fill machine) but our electricity bill has gone down more, so we have actually found it cheaper to run this machine than the modern Zanussi! We are on a water meter, but there has been no difference in the water bills. There is nothing else which has changed which could have affected our bills, just the washer.

I wash light colours and white synthetics (e.g. the shower curtain and our polycotton bed linen) at 60c to prevent excess creasing, and dark and bright colours, as well as the few delicate items we have at 40c. I have experimented in the past with going lower than 40c on occasions, but it has never worked for me!
I do believe I am quite energy efficient. I only wash full loads and I never wash things at higher temperatures or with more detergent than is required (it just so happens that I have found my whites require a boil wash with a heavy soil dose of high quality detergent!). I line dry whenever possible; we live in a small one bedroom flat with very little space to hang washing indoors. In bad weather I put washing on an airer in the bedroom and over airers on the radiators, but due to the size of the flat air does not circulate very well and it is prone to damp, so washing doesn’t really dry very well. If after a day or so of being indoors some of the washing is still wet and the weather has not cleared up in that time, I have no choice but to finish off things which can be tumble dried in the dryer.

As for the question of what I would do if I had to use a machine which couldn’t boil wash, well I can only hope that will never happen. If it did then I would still make sure I were washing in the hottest water possible and would probably have to use chlorine bleach to obtain the results I want.

Matt



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