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Thread Number: 36248
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| Post# 540191 , Reply# 4 8/28/2011 at 16:09 (4,614 days old) by solsburian (SE Northumberland) | ||
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The Bosch and Siemens water condensing washer dryers still have a metal outer tub too. I only do boil washes when doing a monthly maintenance wash. | ||
| Post# 540211 , Reply# 5 8/28/2011 at 17:21 (4,614 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK) | ||
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Miele still have stainless steel tubs, it's only the American giant machines that have the fibreglass tubs... Jon | ||
| Post# 540241 , Reply# 6 8/28/2011 at 19:36 (4,614 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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Post# 540284 , Reply# 7 8/28/2011 at 22:47 (4,614 days old) by Launderess  (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Miele Only Introduced Fiberglass Outer Tubs
For the North American market (mainly the USA) because they got tired of trying to wean those customers off the use of chlorine bleach.
After years of refusing to budge on the matter and claiming the high temps, oxygen bleach and excellent washing action would suffice, Miele gave way. Indeed the North American washers are the only one's I've seen directions given for the use of LCB | ||
| Post# 540349 , Reply# 8 8/29/2011 at 08:10 (4,613 days old) by iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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| Post# 540380 , Reply# 11 8/29/2011 at 11:36 (4,613 days old) by HotpointFan (United Kingdom) | ||
We do about 8 - 9 loads a day! | ||
| Post# 540395 , Reply# 13 8/29/2011 at 12:50 (4,613 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom) | ||
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only 4 lol! slowly its going down!! my brother is going into the army so less washing :) | ||
| Post# 540396 , Reply# 14 8/29/2011 at 13:00 (4,613 days old) by HotpointFan (United Kingdom) | ||
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There are...
... me, my mum, my dad and a sister and lots of guinea pigs and rabbits. The thing is, me and my mum cuddle our pets a lot, so our clothes and the towels we use for cuddles constantly need washing because my dad is allergic to the hairs. I am also a bit of a clean freak and my bedding is changed between once a week!
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| Post# 540414 , Reply# 15 8/29/2011 at 14:56 (4,613 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia) | ||
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| Post# 540439 , Reply# 16 8/29/2011 at 17:26 (4,613 days old) by optima (Cumbria England) | ||
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| Post# 540627 , Reply# 17 8/30/2011 at 15:04 (4,612 days old) by dascot (Scotland) | ||
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There's no way with that number of people and animals that it should lead to 8-9 washes per day... But, well, you do what you do I guess. Have never had any trouble with boil washes causing problems for a machine. I don't use them all the time, but do occasional ones. | ||
| Post# 540635 , Reply# 18 8/30/2011 at 15:34 (4,612 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy) | ||
Hum... can I call a 70 degree cycle a boilwash?
I seldomly do a boilwash... meaning... a 90 degree wash cycle. But I often use 70 degree wash cycles which seem more than adequate for my needs. I usually do that with fast-colour towels and white cotton sheets. Besides, I don't see any advantage on raising the temperature above 70... it's just a waste of electricity and water (the machine does a wasteful cooldown with that temperature).
Cheerio :-) | ||
| Post# 540679 , Reply# 19 8/30/2011 at 19:22 (4,612 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
boil wash is bad for clothes
i would say that boil wash for clothes is bad and second of all its wasting electricety in my point of view if you really went to save on your electric bill you should wash only in cold water and a cooldown on a wash load is not bad its to prevent wrinkles on the clothes me if i have to wash in warm water witch in other word is my bedding my washer do a cooldown that way it protects the fabric all perm press cycles(casual) on some washer do a cooldown to protect fabrics.
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| Post# 540682 , Reply# 20 8/30/2011 at 19:31 (4,612 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom) | ||
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Boilwashes are good for the machine and clothes!!! | ||
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Post# 540684 , Reply# 21 8/30/2011 at 19:40 (4,612 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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"Boilwashes are good for the machine and clothes"
While there may be some benefits for the washing machine, routine high temperature laundering greatly shortens the lifespan of most textiles/garments sold today. This is one reason many do not like sending their better things much less their finest textiles to commercial laundries.
By their nature most commercial laundries use very high wash temps (>160F)and or harsh detergents and bleaches not only to ensure soil removal but to add measure of hygiene due to laundering varied persons articles in the same wash. Years ago linens, shirts and such were designed and produced to withstand frequent boiling washes. This would include running up articles much larger than required to compensate for shrinkage, as well as using sturdy weaves that could not only take hard laundering but the ironing that surely followed. For instance bed linens were usually heavy linen or cotton muslin. | ||
| Post# 541086 , Reply# 23 9/1/2011 at 16:55 (4,610 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth) | ||
Hoovermatic
Yes I was also wondering. Their money or parents money? Quite often see things like "My new Bosch Iron" or "Jumped in the back of my car" or "My somethingorother". Very amused at how such things belonging to Mothers and Fathers are made out to be belongings of children.
Makes me wonder if we have folk lying about their ages and are actually adults earning a wage to afford such things or a bunch of what would of been described as 'Jumped up' kids in my day. Either way im finding less and less reason to enter the Deluxe forum to read and to be fair finding less reasons to post in Vintage due to the fact im sick of having photos and videos taken by kids who cant even give a token word of thanks when they re post them in their silly youtube videos or uncalled for threads and give credit to the actual person who owns them! Its now a world where the elders owe the kids everyting it seems. | ||
| Post# 541100 , Reply# 26 9/1/2011 at 18:56 (4,610 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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me in my case the main reason i wash in cold water is to protect the enviroment because (i have read on the internet that frequant washing in hot water raise the risk of global warming of of the earth{*off topic for a sec here}) if you need to do a boil or hot water wash maybe you should do this only when its nesecary and if you need to do a wash load maybe use cold water temp cool water temp(depending on washer model) or a warm water wash and do boil wash loads occasanaly like for explem after someone is sick to kill the germs or when you have something that needs to be bleach.
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| Post# 541297 , Reply# 27 9/2/2011 at 20:59 (4,609 days old) by zanussi_lover (Nottingham, UK) | ||
I do 30*c 
I only do about one wash a week =]
and I wash at 30*c with one biological tablet (Almat Bio) i use this for whites and colours, my darks have limited fading, and my whites are nice and bright. sheets and towels get 40*c and on occasion the odd 60*c wash, I dont have allergies, and i change my sheets and towels regularly. my towels dont smell of mildew or come out smelling damp when washed at 40*c. I use a Biological Tablet with Bleach in it, which helps remove the odours. I dont use the tumble dryer either, i dry my clothes outside on a clothes horse, everything smells nice and fresh :) I reckon you only need a 60*c wash if your washing heavily soiled items like teatowels (kitchen) and really dirty clothes. 40*c is more than adequate or even 30*c for darks or colours. Think of saving energy...and the planet =] | ||
| Post# 541303 , Reply# 28 9/2/2011 at 21:44 (4,609 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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I only do about one wash a week =] How on earth do you get away with that and still wear fresh underwear, socks daily not to mention shirts, jeans/trousers/outer tops and washing of towels/ sheets?
When single, I would do an average of 3-4 loads a week (lights and darks every 2 weeks...towels every 10 days with whites and sheets weekly). Admittedly, that was a smaller machine, but I do 5 loads weekly for us with a 6.5kg machine.....
But then, maybe you wash your towels and bed linen monthly? | ||
| Post# 541306 , Reply# 29 9/2/2011 at 21:52 (4,609 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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me in my case i wash everyday and once a month i wash my bed sheets but i wash them in warm water as my bed sheets are non bleachable and when i go back to a toploading washer here are the wash and rinse temp that i will use normal cycle i will use cold water wash 1 light and no colored clothes cool water temp and bedding warm water i will never use or select the hot water temp unless absolutely needed like recovering from a cold to kill the germ cold other wise the temps i will use are cold water wash cool water wash warm water wash with cold rinse.
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Post# 541334 , Reply# 30 9/3/2011 at 01:00 (4,608 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 541368 , Reply# 31 9/3/2011 at 07:21 (4,608 days old) by zanussi_lover (Nottingham, UK) | ||
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I do one wash a week =]
Ronhic, most of my clothes are dark or coloured, all my boxers/socks are black, so i dont need to sort them i just stick em all in together, fill the machine up, set it to 30*c and put in a tablet and some conditioner.
My clothes are mostly lightly soiled so never need a hot wash My towels I use about 3 times before I wash them, after each use I air them out so they dry out, they never smell mildewy, my sheets get washed every 2 weeks as i have quite a few sets. I also only have a few white clothes, if i need one item but dont have a full load i will handwash it in the sink, and then spin it in the washing machine. also i try to wear my clothes more than once, apart from socks and underwear which i wear once for hygiene. My t-shirts get worn twice before washing jeans get washed every 2 months as they dont get dirty and they are black :) | ||
| Post# 541371 , Reply# 32 9/3/2011 at 07:29 (4,608 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth) | ||
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Jeans washed every 2 months?
And they dont exfoliate your skin while you wear them, or absorb perspiration or pick up odours from cooking smells or your environment. Kyle, following recent outbursts by yourself Id suggest you were little more than an attention seeker. You contradict yourself so many times its embarrassing, Get a grip for once and stop darn lying. | ||
| Post# 541382 , Reply# 33 9/3/2011 at 08:39 (4,608 days old) by zanussi_lover (Nottingham, UK) | ||
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Rob
Its you, you have a massive chip on your shoulder
I do wash my jeans every 2 months, sometimes once every month...im not contradicting myself, and in this blog im only suggesting an opinion, everyone does laundry differently, but i do it in the most ecological way possible. and I look after my clothes. Rob i suggest you drop your attitude mate, because your really annoying, the only attention seeker is you...and your pathetic!!, However this is autowashicwasher.org better maintain some decorum and i suggest you get some as well. Heres some toilet tissue, go and wipe your mouth theres a good man!! | ||
| Post# 541383 , Reply# 34 9/3/2011 at 08:52 (4,608 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth) | ||
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| Post# 541385 , Reply# 35 9/3/2011 at 09:02 (4,608 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth) | ||
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Boilwashes?
An absolute must for cheap clothing, well any clothing that can take it.
Have noticed Next, Burtons, George's and F&F clothing dropping in price and understandably perceptional quality when inspected in shops. However what we have found is that while they appear to be thinner those £1 and £2 (£8 and above from Next etc) basic white teeshirts from the above retailers actually benefit greatly from always washing on a 95degree cycle. The weave of the fabric tightens up making a softer closer weave that feel better than the quality of most £20+ garments and the life of the ones I have have been greater than the £40/50 RL T shirts I used to wear and wash on delicate cycles . Same goes for tea towels I have bought exceptionally cheaply, Always buy a size larger due to some shrinkage, give it a boilwash before wear and see what you think. They just get better and better the more you boilwash and wear them! | ||
| Post# 541393 , Reply# 36 9/3/2011 at 09:39 (4,608 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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your way wrong when you wash your clothes in hot water (*not recomended by the way) shorten the life of the clothes the max temp allowed for hot water wash is 50 degrees max or to use caution me in my case i will always wash in cold water including white if i have some and bedding will always be wash in warm water. So in my case i will never use the hot water temp on my washer.
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| Post# 541395 , Reply# 37 9/3/2011 at 09:48 (4,608 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth) | ||
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| Post# 541396 , Reply# 38 9/3/2011 at 10:11 (4,608 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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| Post# 541397 , Reply# 39 9/3/2011 at 10:21 (4,608 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth) | ||
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| Post# 541398 , Reply# 40 9/3/2011 at 10:35 (4,608 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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| Post# 541415 , Reply# 42 9/3/2011 at 13:00 (4,608 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
I do wash my jeans every 2 months, sometimes once every mont
Sorry, but that is absolutely rancid! It's bad enough that you wash at 30, but every two months? That's just plain dirty!
Think about it - body temperature is 37.5 degrees. How do you expect all the bacteria caused by sweating, flaking skin cells and air pollution on your clothes to have been removed effectively at 30 degrees? If anything, you're creating a delightful, damp breeding ground in your washing machine. This isn't so much a problem for clothes worn for a few days, but for sheets and towels that get a lot of rough use, it's essential. As for my washing habits, I tend to do the following: White towels, dishcloths and tea towels - Cottons 95 in bio Coloured towels and bedding - Cottons 60 in bio Light colours (t-shirts, work shirts etc) - Minimum Iron 40 with colour detergent Darks (jeans, t-shirts, underwear, socks, jumpers etc) - Cottons 40 with colour detergent Delicates (work jumpers mostly) - Delicates 40 with Dreft | ||
| Post# 541460 , Reply# 45 9/3/2011 at 16:50 (4,608 days old) by optima (Cumbria England) | ||
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| Post# 541461 , Reply# 46 9/3/2011 at 16:58 (4,608 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth) | ||
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| Post# 541463 , Reply# 47 9/3/2011 at 17:25 (4,608 days old) by optima (Cumbria England) | ||
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| Post# 541507 , Reply# 48 9/4/2011 at 04:12 (4,607 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy) | ||
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I can't be persuaded into using cold water again!
I might not have as much experience as some of you lot... but I can assure you that I've tried many ways of washing in the last few decades and I've always been actively seeking what could be the best solution for my laundry... being quite demanding over my wash results... so today I can say I feel strongly about washing at reasonably high temperatures (unless you use certain specific products... I found Ariel Excel Gel to to the job nicely but I felt it was far too expensive and not really worth it).
I'm sure some of the statements here are a little too genaral and don't take account of all the facts, e.g. high temperature is bad for the machine... well, of course if you run the hotest cycle on the longest programme on you machine all the time, it will demean its longevity (at least some of the component such as rubber bellows and drain pumps) compared to a machine which is permanentely used on low temperatures (and probably swarming with bacteria), however, why not trying and get the best of 2 worlds: a combination of a relatively high temperature (60/70 degrees and 50 for darks garments) on the shortest available cycle. I don't want to be the one for dictating the best laundry practices with a front loader, I just want to share what I truly found to be the best solution after many years of trial & error, which offers great wash results with minimal wear and tear for both the machine and your laundry: that's right... you can even wash coloureds on higher temperatures than those commonly accepted and they would still retain pristine properties as long as the wash programme envisages a relatively short main wash. I only use cold/cool water (15/30 degrees) for items which have not been worn... such as curtains or backpack/satchel, single items, very ligh soil or particularly small loads. Bye now ;-) | ||
| Post# 541866 , Reply# 50 9/5/2011 at 18:45 (4,606 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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Washer with no hot water temp
for anyone that still think that a hot water temp is a must do take the time to look at this particular washer witch is a rebadge whirlpool sure its a top load but to everyone in the uk do try to answer this what would you do if one day or in the near future you found on the market a Front loading washer offering only 2 water rinse temp and i know that i myself use a washer like this one while on vaction with my whole family so do not say that i am wrong or anything or to keep my opinion to myself this is a fact and need to accept that this may happen in the near future.
link is for full discription of the washer CLICK HERE TO GO TO pierreandreply4's LINK 
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| Post# 541867 , Reply# 51 9/5/2011 at 18:46 (4,606 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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| Post# 541885 , Reply# 52 9/5/2011 at 19:59 (4,606 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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Pierre....
...certainly, it MAY happen. But what we tend to forget is that different countries approach the achievement of energy and/or water efficiency goals in different ways.
This is being very general, and please correct me if I am wide of the mark, but:
So the deal is this:
Basically Pierre, where I'm going is that governments in Europe and Australia don't need to force change on manufacturers, and therefore the population - the population is forcing that change of their own accord. We want access to high efficiency machines that offer cold water options and local governments (in Australia) are providing the incentives direct to the consumer to change.
So your scenario, whilst relevant in the USA, is unlikely to be the case elsewhere. | ||
| Post# 541903 , Reply# 53 9/5/2011 at 21:38 (4,606 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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i understand this and evryone has diffrent methode when it comes to washing and by the way i am canadian and if you look at the pic of my washer on the left Post# 541398, Reply# 40 its the kind of model that has no water heater in it and in my home i am the one doing all the washing and i can say that when it brakes i will be going back to a toploading washer as i do not like the washer i have because what i hate on the washer i have is the long wash time for me a 10 minute wash is more than engough and i am not coming back in that thread at all so this is my final point.
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| Post# 541930 , Reply# 54 9/6/2011 at 01:22 (4,605 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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Pierre... I know that you're Canadian, and I wasn't being rude by appearing to ignore that....I simply don't know what the Canadian government has done to mandate appliance efficiency (is it the same as the US or more similar to Europe or Australia or something different?), whereas many Americans on here have been forthcoming telling readers the scenario I mention above.
The other key thing I did consider is that, because Canada is a neighbour of the USA and has a free trade agreement with the USA, it is possible that any American made or American specification washers are not altered when they are sent north - that would make sense from a marketing (ecologically sound) and financial basis (why have multiple circuit boards for a similar market - send them ours!).
It might interest you to know that I had written the post as 'North American', but then changed it because I have no idea about what Canada does as I mentioned above.
Now, on another point you make about your current front loader not having a heater and your preference for a top loader.
Our markets are different. Australians' still have a lot of choice compared to North Americans when it comes to the efficiency of their machines. 'Water Hog' machines, once the domain of almost every laundry in the country are, generally, out of favour with the population - but every 'High Efficiency' Top loader on the market here can be made to work as a 'water hog' if we want it to. Just press the relevant button and away it'll go. The same goes for temperature. You want tank hot water....no problem, but then most Australians already wash in cold, so it's a moot point.
As for Front Loaders, here we tend to follow Europe rather than America. Firstly, most front load machines here are 60cm wide which works well with fitted laundrys given the standards are 30,45,60cm ...when it comes to cupboard door width - the same as Europe. Secondly, with the possible exception of Speed Queen machines, every domestic front load machine sold in this country since about 1998 has had a heater in it - the majority being cold water connect only.
So whilst your comments are very relevant for you and possibly North America in general, they are not neccessarily accurate for the rest of the world.....Neither Europeans or Australians have needed a big stick waved at them by government, via the manufacturers, to buy energy or water efficient machines. We've been presented with choices and, on occassion, the consumer has been provided a financial incentive to sweeten the change to efficient machines...but ultimately, the consumer chose, not the government.
Anyway, you go knock yourself out and buy whatever rings your bell next time - just like all of us should. But I would appreciate it if you don't go off 'half-c***ed' when someone dares to try and provide you with different scenarios or show you why you may be wrong.
Regards
Chris
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| Post# 542054 , Reply# 55 9/6/2011 at 17:43 (4,605 days old) by zanussi_lover (Nottingham, UK) | ||
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My Jeans
I have alot of Jeans, and they dont need washing alot, so thats why i wash them every few months,
1) 30*c cleans a majority of my clothes fine, without any odours 2) alot of my clothes are worn once or twice without any visable stains 3) alot of my clothes are dark, so a hotter wash will fade them 4) im keeping my electric bill down and my clothes are clean 5) Its my way and i dont expect anyone to like how i do my laundry, but it works for me and i have no mould in my washing machine as i keep the door ajar after every wash, so it dries out and I use Biological Tablets with oxygen bleach 6) i do use 60*c to clean my towels/teatowels and occasionally do my bedding at 60*c My housemate does all his washing at 60*c and he washes white towels and darks together, it annoys me because 60*c all the time just wastes electricity and when you live in a shared house, you have to pay more in electric for someone else. | ||
| Post# 542273 , Reply# 56 9/7/2011 at 16:19 (4,604 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy) | ||
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@ zanussi_lover
Hi there... just a quick remark: you said that you flat mate does all their washing at 60 degrees... I guess in the same washing machine :-)
Bacteria take time and several washes to build up... if you alternate hot washes and cold washes your machine would always be impeccably clean and free of odours. The trouble comes when you use a modern front loader on cold (15 degrees) month after month and never do a single warm/hot wash. Some time ago it was the norm for me to do cold washes as well as hot washes in an alternate fashion and never had any problems... but at some point I decided to switch to cold at once (since my electricity firm had put their prices up) and I was submitting my daily driver to a cold wash after another cold wash for months on end until I realised that my wash wasn't as fresh as it used to be... especially if left in the wardrobe for several weeks... so... that's when I realised that people's claim about smelly laundry is not totally unfounded. My laundry never got to the stenchy stage though... good grief :-O | ||
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! At last calculation, my 15 year-old machine has done fewer cycles in its entire service life...and only about 30 of those have been boil washes: I've never really seen the need for them in my circumstances. Maybe I'm just grubby though?
! I can only hope your families are sufficiently well-off enough to afford what must be huge electricity bills.