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Post# 548314   10/9/2011 at 17:48 (4,580 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        

"Another ABC joins the foray! Can't wait to see the photographic evidence!" (Jetcone, 9/20/11)

Here ya go! We made it up there today to pick it up, guano and all. Luckily the woman selling it was strong as well, and we had a little job of navigating it out of the 250-year-old barn where it sat in the corner for about 50 years!





Post# 548315 , Reply# 1   10/9/2011 at 17:49 (4,580 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        

See it hiding?

Post# 548316 , Reply# 2   10/9/2011 at 17:50 (4,580 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        

Thar she blows!!!

Post# 548318 , Reply# 3   10/9/2011 at 17:51 (4,580 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        

Here's the bottom- not too bad. Need to replace hoses. Luckily, we had the right sizes already here from other jobs!

Post# 548319 , Reply# 4   10/9/2011 at 17:52 (4,580 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        

Got her out of the vehicle so she could be cleaned a little and plugged in.

Post# 548320 , Reply# 5   10/9/2011 at 17:53 (4,580 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        

She's a dirty girl....

Post# 548321 , Reply# 6   10/9/2011 at 17:53 (4,580 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        

A dirty, dirty girl.....

Post# 548322 , Reply# 7   10/9/2011 at 17:54 (4,580 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        

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Post# 548323 , Reply# 8   10/9/2011 at 17:54 (4,580 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        

Looks like she'll clean up nicely!

Post# 548324 , Reply# 9   10/9/2011 at 17:56 (4,580 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        

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Post# 548325 , Reply# 10   10/9/2011 at 17:56 (4,580 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        

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Post# 548326 , Reply# 11   10/9/2011 at 17:58 (4,580 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        

A question about the fill- it looks like it shoots into the machine without a tube or hose, and that the housing attached to the back serves as a drip tray where accumulated drips would gather and evaporate. Is this correct?

Post# 548327 , Reply# 12   10/9/2011 at 18:02 (4,580 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        

Maiden voyage w/o water. It should be noted that there was a small accordian tube that went from the tub housing to the pump that we didn't catch to replace. It failed when we tried it after this with a few gallons of water in it, and we need to replace it. But, it works! Yay!!



Post# 548331 , Reply# 13   10/9/2011 at 18:30 (4,580 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
ABC!

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This is awsome and seems to work well. Yes it is supposed to be off center. You will need to get plexy glass for the top and believe me you will have a exciting show.
Keep us posted and Best Of Luck!
Peter


Post# 548332 , Reply# 14   10/9/2011 at 18:37 (4,580 days old) by lebron (Minnesota)        

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Wow very cool find, not every day you see one of these machines!

Post# 548338 , Reply# 15   10/9/2011 at 18:55 (4,580 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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cool!!  Congratulations.  I'm assuming wter temp is soley controlled by faucet(s). 


Post# 548339 , Reply# 16   10/9/2011 at 19:09 (4,580 days old) by westie2 ()        

Nice find.

Post# 548352 , Reply# 17   10/9/2011 at 20:29 (4,580 days old) by AutowasherFreak ()        

Nice. It's amazing that it ran.

Post# 548360 , Reply# 18   10/9/2011 at 21:01 (4,580 days old) by GadgetGary (Bristol,CT)        
What a nice find

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I remember watching a neighbor's Kelvinator with a glass lid when I was a kid.


Loved that machine.

 

 

Best of Luck!


Post# 548385 , Reply# 19   10/9/2011 at 22:38 (4,580 days old) by maypool ()        
great find

let's see some more vids man when you can

Post# 548414 , Reply# 20   10/10/2011 at 05:43 (4,579 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Hey... WOW !!!

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Incredible Find.

I would have never expected to find an ABC anymore these days, but you found one. Congrats and Look forward to seeing more of the restoration. Eddie


Post# 548452 , Reply# 21   10/10/2011 at 09:04 (4,579 days old) by paulg (My sweet home... Chicago)        
Original brochure

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I have the original brochure - just a flier. E-mail me and I'll get you a color copy. Can' t scan it right now.

It is no mystery why it fared so well...

The cabinet is "Gleaming white, heat-applied enamel which adds to the beauty of the rustproof steel cabinet. It's chip-proof, crack-proof, easy to keep clean and always remains snowy white and beautiful. Cabinet top and lid are porcelain enamel."

Maybe you should name your baby "Snow White" !!


Post# 548475 , Reply# 22   10/10/2011 at 11:34 (4,579 days old) by abcomatic (Bradford, Illinois)        
HI Perc

HI Perc, What a great find! I have always wanted an ABC-O-Matic,hence my name here. You would think that I would be able to find one seeing that I live 35 miles from where they were made. Oh well. Happy washing. ABC-O-Matic. Gary

Post# 548484 , Reply# 23   10/10/2011 at 12:08 (4,579 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
A real treasure hunt success, Congrats, Rich!

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I think it's truly amazing that after being dormant for 50 years, you plugged her in and she fired right up without any fuss. Testament to the tanks they made back in the day.

 

Some day, Gary, some day.


Post# 548499 , Reply# 24   10/10/2011 at 13:11 (4,579 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        

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That's an amazing find! Wow!

Congratulations!

Who knows how many (well no so many, but still) great machines are still hidden somewhere!

Very nice :)


Post# 548569 , Reply# 25   10/10/2011 at 20:29 (4,579 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Congratulations Chuck & Rich!

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Super find there! Yes that gap at the back is correct the fill water shoots into the tub across there. You may need to put some Vaseline on the clutch shoes at the bottom of the motor pulley before you try her with a full tub of water. She needs her clutch to slip going into spin otherwise she'll blow a fuse on you.

 

Can't wait to see it in person!

jon

 

 


Post# 548584 , Reply# 26   10/10/2011 at 21:04 (4,579 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        
WoW

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What a great find. So amazing that she fired right up without any smoke on the first try. Congratulations on this great machine. You are going to have a lot of fun.

Patrick


Post# 548589 , Reply# 27   10/10/2011 at 21:19 (4,579 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        
Thanks all for the kind words!

I sadly don't have a lot of time to play with it over the next few days BUT..there's always the weekend :-)

Jon, This is good info to have since I know very little about working on these machines. I am learning though! I would love for you to take a look at it. Just name the time.

" I'm assuming water temp is soley controlled by faucet(s)."... I don't know the answer. It looks like there is a solenoid/s where the water comes into the machine.

" You would think that I would be able to find one seeing that I live 35 miles from where they were made." Gary, If I can find one you will certainly will :-) Just keep casting your hook in the water. Soon enough you'll catch a fish!

I think it was the fact that it was kept in the middle of a barn that it stayed in such good repair. The cabinet does have pitting rust. I haven't decided what I'll do. I tend to be a conservationinst rather than a restorer BUT I could change my thoughts :-) Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated and considered.

Chcuk and I will let you all know of the progress.

Again, Thanks!!

Rich


Post# 548611 , Reply# 28   10/10/2011 at 22:29 (4,579 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Congratulations Rich and Chuck, that is a marvelous find!!!! I didn't realize they made a black speckled wash tub for some models.

This machine might still have the early clutch which resides on the spin pulley as opposed to the later clutch that is on the motor. The illustration below shows the later clutch on motor shaft. I wouldn't use any lubricant on the early clutch unless absolutely necessary.


Post# 548615 , Reply# 29   10/10/2011 at 22:53 (4,579 days old) by abcomatic (Bradford, Illinois)        
HI Rich

Rich, Thanks for the kind words and wishes. I hope that I do find one. I have the gas dryer that matches too. Gary

Post# 548640 , Reply# 30   10/11/2011 at 04:08 (4,578 days old) by Easyspindry (Winston-Salem, NC)        
Great find!!!!

And the fact that it still works is amazing!!!

I found it interesting that the timer dial is almost exactly like the timer dial for the Maytag AMP that I grew up with. Did anybody else notice the similarity?

Jerry Gay


Post# 548648 , Reply# 31   10/11/2011 at 07:34 (4,578 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
ABC O MATIC

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WOW great find, it would be interesting to know why someone put this machine out in the barn so long ago when automatic washers were still expensive and in great demand.

 

My parents first AW washer was a 1955 Kelvinator, and I used to love to stand next to the washer and watch the stream of water shooting through the fill air-gap on the back of the machine as it filled. I remember that my mother used an old green Booton-Ware coffee cup to measure the Co-op Breakwater detergent that we always used. And one day I decided to see what would happen if I pushed the cup in the washer when it was running. So I reached up and opened the lid and pushed it in, when the cycle was finished and my mother when to unload the washer she found the cup which had been broken in several pieces. Powerful agitation for sure as those old Bootonware dishes were about impossible to break.

 

Probably one of the reasons that I like repairing appliances today is that I very well remember at least a half dozen different repairs that our Kelvinator suffered in its short 5 year life. Motor had to be sent out for rebuilding [ new centrifugal switch ], a new inlet valve, timer replacement, hose that went from outer-tub to the pump started leaking and had to be replaced, the boot under the agitator also had to be changed and the drain hose also filled with sand and clogged over time as the pump was fairly weak and couldn't keep itself clear. Finally the main bearings got so stiff that the machine just wouldn't spin well anymore and the machine was replaced with a new Franklin built Co-op washer in 1960 which lasted till 1966 with only a few problems.

 

 

And today people think that new appliances are troublesome, if they only knew. There were probably several times as many repair men back in the 1950s-1960s as there are now, Sears alone had 10s of thousands of repair men that mainly worked on washers and dryers, with the average washer or dryer needing some sort of attention every couple of years. Yet few automatic washers with all the good care people used to give thier expensive new appliances lasted even ten years before they were often deemed not worth repairing.


Post# 548659 , Reply# 32   10/11/2011 at 09:53 (4,578 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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Great find! Congrats guys. Hopefully she won't need too much to get up to washing. Love the AMP-like timer dial.

The accordion-like hose could be reproduced with some items from the hardware store, or at least I put some thought into it when restoring the '59. The tough part is the rubber flange inside the tub. A sink strainer is what I was going to attempt to use if needed.

Looks to have a replacement agitator, say from a late 50's to early 60's Kelvinator? How's the upper boot?

Ben


Post# 548668 , Reply# 33   10/11/2011 at 11:07 (4,578 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        
WOW!

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Hey Chuck & Rich, what an ABC-O-Matically awesome find!   CONGRATS!   And it still works!  

 

So totally fantastic!  I'm jealous!

 

I look forward to future reports!

 

Kevin


Post# 548818 , Reply# 34   10/12/2011 at 01:01 (4,577 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

a washer that shatters a Booton cup into peices--aren't these the washers that can wash a paper napkin without tearing it?You do have to figure older machines-when they needed fixing-were DESIGNED to be easily serviced-such as the motor-today you would be forced to replace the motor-the new ones are rivited or welded together.

Post# 549002 , Reply# 35   10/12/2011 at 20:01 (4,577 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        
"This machine might still have the early clutch"...

Robert, Ours looks just like the diagram that you posted. It's sort of a black rubber wheel?

" it would be interesting to know why someone put this machine out in the barn so long ago when automatic washers were still expensive and in great demand."... John, sadly the ladies that we bought it from said that it was there when they purchased the property. They realy had no history for us :-( It must have come up in conversation that the machine had been sitting there for the past 50 years as this is what they told huck and I. You have to remember that this is New Hampshire. They didn't allways embrace new fangled technology with open arms. Our Thor Automagic came from a home in New Hampshire where the daughter of the first owner told us that her father bought the Thor for her mother. The mother used it two or three times and hated it. She never used the Thor again and continued to wash everything BY HAND!! The copper boil tub was still sitting on the Griswald cast iron gas burners when we first went to see the Thor!

"The accordion-like hose could be reproduced with some items from the hardware store"...Hi Ben. The tube seemed to have a few rips in it so what I have done is to coat the entire tube with Ulra-blue silicone calking then wrapped it with very strong gauze then painted over that with more silicone. I'm going to let it dry for a few days before I try it out. I hope that it works :-) I'm not sure which upper boot you are talking about. There is a rubber boot when I take the agitator off. This is still in good shape and pretty soft.

All in all it looks like a pretty simple machine.

We'll keep you all posted


Post# 549024 , Reply# 36   10/12/2011 at 21:43 (4,577 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Yes Rich & Chuck

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that clutch at the bottom of the machine will need Vaseline before you attempt  a fully loaded tub. 


Can't wait to see it!

 

jon

 


Post# 549034 , Reply# 37   10/12/2011 at 22:14 (4,577 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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Nice work on the tub hose. Hopefully your fix works out and you lucked out on the upper agitator boot!

To Jon's quote: "clutch at the bottom of the machine will need Vaseline...". I took the clutch completely apart in my Kelvinator and cleaned the inner drum to a shine and re-lubricated the clutch shaft and have not had any problems with the clutch, sans-Vaseline. It slips just fine without the added motivation of petroleum jelly.

Ben


Post# 549073 , Reply# 38   10/13/2011 at 05:29 (4,576 days old) by retro-man (- boston,ma)        

Yup up hea in cow hampshire we now have color tv, cement ponds and radio stations. Still haven't gotton onto how those dang washing machines work but me thinks its the devil. lol . thats why they got stashed in the barn and covered up. its the devil i tell ya. sorry could not let that comment go by.can't wait to see that new fangled washing machine you got.
Jon


Post# 549079 , Reply# 39   10/13/2011 at 07:26 (4,576 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        
Oh now, Elly May . Don't get your knickers in a twist!!

Chuck and I lived in New Hampster for a few years and I can tell you that Y'all think that push button phones are a communist plot! Hell, when I told some one in NH that Kennedy was dead they replied..."Gosh, I didn't even that know he was sick!"

All kidding aside. I love NH. I would move back in a second :-) Much simpler pace than Mass.

Notice how I slipped "simpler" in there? :-)

Would love to see you soon, Jon!

Rich


Post# 549090 , Reply# 40   10/13/2011 at 08:53 (4,576 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        
In my opinion...

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Yes I wouldn't put any Vaseline on that clutch unless you know for sure you need it. I've seen some of the clutches get worn down where the Vaseline impedes spin pick up. There were two clutches produced by ABC/Kelvinator. If the machine trips the breaker during the spin pick up then you will need some lubricant in there, but give it a few tries first. The early clutch is on the spin pulley, the later clutch is on the motor shaft. The rubber wheel you describe is the pump drive which has nothing to do with the clutch, these images should help...

Post# 549143 , Reply# 41   10/13/2011 at 14:00 (4,576 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Yes the finer points are needed here

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Ben is right and Robert is right and I am right. It depends on the model year. The early ABC"s needed the Vaseline because of the material used on the shoes, the later ABC's and Kelvys used the stuff of brake shoes so needed no lubricant.

So try it with water and see ,you'll know right away.
I'll be over my little pretties! Soon my pretties,, very soon!




Post# 549188 , Reply# 42   10/13/2011 at 21:55 (4,576 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        
Thank you Ben, Robert and Jon

I will take all ideas into consideration :-) Our ABC looks like the later one but I could have sworn that the clutch felt spongy like rubber. I think I must be going senile!!

I should have time this weekend to play with it :-)

Let you all know how we make out.

Rich



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