Thread Number: 3693
which new F/L take in the "MOST" water ....... |
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Post# 89980 , Reply# 2   10/21/2005 at 13:31 (6,733 days old) by gregm ()   |   | |
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I agree, but kinda stinks with the old neptune where if you leave the door open, the inerior light bulb will burn out that much sooner? ....... probably easy to change ........... |
Post# 90165 , Reply# 5   10/22/2005 at 21:16 (6,732 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 90183 , Reply# 6   10/22/2005 at 22:46 (6,732 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Someone posted over on THS that when comparing informatin from the Energy Star website on front loaders, the SQ units used slightly more water than other front loaders in their capacity class. This may make sense in that SQ washers do come from a commercial background where slightly more water could be used to compensate for rather short cycle times. |
Post# 90185 , Reply# 7   10/22/2005 at 22:58 (6,732 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Read somewhere that recirculating spray feature on some front loaders was developed/is used as a way to do more with less water. Was reading something (may have been an article on front loader washer designs, which stated that front loaders could use less water if ways were found to "force" water into the laundry. Rather than pausing to fill when the washer detected water a drop in water level, recirculating sprays would use existing water within the tub to wet laundry down. Do know on our old Malber, the machine would call for more water, but in some cases if the machine paused long enough, and extra water was not pumped in (such as when the tap was shut off), sooner or later the machine would start up again as the some of the "excess" water pooled down towards the bottom of the tub. Think it was vintage Bendix front loaders that had the design of front loaders down to a science, and caculated water needs were a factor of the space between the inner and outer tubs. With the proper amount of water, enough water is available to be "scooped and sprayed" from the fins much in the same way Miele washers operate. If the water volume is low, there is not enough water to do the above, so another way must be found to "scoop and spray". IIRC LG washers, which use recirculating sprays, do not "scoop and spray" from the fins. IMHO scooping and spraying via the fins is a better method not only because it uses proper amounts of water,but is totally a passive operation wiht no pumping of water required. Launderess |
Post# 90436 , Reply# 8   10/24/2005 at 10:15 (6,730 days old) by jimmyb (Texas Y’all)   |   | |
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Speed Queen does use a bit more water than other front loaders, although the water level is never above the window. The clothes slosh around quite a bit more than the Asko I used to have. -Jim |
Post# 90465 , Reply# 9   10/24/2005 at 16:03 (6,730 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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i gotta say i hate efficient front loaders....my 1987 hoover logic uses tons of water & doesnt have an extra rinse feature because it doesn't need it! as far as modern front loaders go, us guys in the uk Myself (Darren)& my friend & yours! lavamat_Jon Have The "Water Happy" aeg & miele's which you can programme in to take more water. as you'd guess we took advantage of this & it's set permanantly on each of our machines! im all for effiency but not when it compramises rinsing results! sorry to all the guys that work for water companys out there lol. D |
Post# 90515 , Reply# 11   10/24/2005 at 20:55 (6,730 days old) by mattywashboy (Perth, Western Australia)   |   | |
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i totally agree with darren, todays front loaders are too efficient, they focus more on being efficient than they do on cleaning. I remember when i lived the UK and we had our Creda Supaspeed, it had a deep wash option that raised the water level to about a quarter of the way up the glass. My mother put Sellotape over this button to make sure that it was never turned off. I wish that Australia had more older Britsh Hotpoints and Hoovers as opposed to the Simpson front loaders which are just rebadged british Indesits. Anyway, thats my rant btw Darren and Jon, even tho i live in Aussie i still like doing laundry the good ole British way, so i'm totally behind you guys. Btw Darren, do you have msn? it would be good to talk to you and Jon together sometime, let me know :) Matt |
Post# 90526 , Reply# 12   10/24/2005 at 21:29 (6,730 days old) by mattywashboy (Perth, Western Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 90596 , Reply# 14   10/25/2005 at 06:56 (6,730 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Nathan, The Mieles on the American market are different from the ones sold in other countries. They are really dumbed down machines. They only have a Sensitive button. If you press that you get an extra rinse. I don't know what the default level for rinsing is. Greg, If you want to find out more about Miele washers, there is a showroom in Wellesley. I've been there with Jon and Paulo and we had a wonderful time. Don't forget to bring laundry! CLICK HERE TO GO TO foraloysius's LINK |
Post# 90621 , Reply# 16   10/25/2005 at 09:47 (6,729 days old) by westytoploader ()   |   | |
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LOL...that's an oxymoron! A new American FL that's splashy...riiiiight! Greg, you need to get yourself a potato-pulley Westinghouse! :) |
Post# 90629 , Reply# 17   10/25/2005 at 11:18 (6,729 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 90690 , Reply# 18   10/25/2005 at 18:24 (6,729 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)   |   | |
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Nope, but he is THS' own Hyacinth Bucket, sorry, Bouquet LOL. Think puke, sick, spew... ;-) One really should stop being so bitchy hehe. |
Post# 90714 , Reply# 20   10/25/2005 at 20:19 (6,729 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 90729 , Reply# 21   10/25/2005 at 21:00 (6,729 days old) by kenmore1978 ()   |   | |
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"Just as ladies never sweat, but glisten. " I've heard the statement "horses sweat, people perspire" |
Post# 90732 , Reply# 22   10/25/2005 at 21:14 (6,729 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)   |   | |
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Post# 90744 , Reply# 25   10/25/2005 at 21:46 (6,729 days old) by westyslantfront ()   |   | |
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and how many people who claim to be energy conscious and conservationists driving gas guzzling SUV's?? |
Post# 90766 , Reply# 26   10/26/2005 at 05:40 (6,729 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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hey guys, another point. for those of you have seen the videos of my hoover logic i posted, my machine does something which no current machine i have come across does; aswell as having high water levels. it distributes for spin with a tub full of water,which i've nicknamed "power distribution" which pins the items against the sides of the drum with a hell of a lot of water still in the drum. which for my money,assists greatly with rinsing as it really drives the water through. i also find it helps balance the load great too! 9/10 times its balances first time. if not it dances around as theres no balance sensor lol. unlike modern machines i've come across which drain,tumble a bit & "attempt" to spin. the point im tryin to make is. older machines are far superior. though don't get me wrong. i love aeg which i've had for 3years. its packed full of features but at the same time it has increased water levels & a jet. which i like. i'm currently bidding on ebay uk for the later "New Wave" model which has electronic controls,front filling from the top of the seal, & spin during the wash cycle! which is about 300rpm i think or 400 i forget. it's also a washerdryer. im just hoping it does the distribution too. i can't remember if these machines do it. thort i'd share a pic of the machine i'm bidding on to:) enjoy anyhoo that was the point i wanted to share:D D |
Post# 90775 , Reply# 29   10/26/2005 at 07:09 (6,729 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 90818 , Reply# 30   10/26/2005 at 15:01 (6,728 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Although I agree that a lot of modern frontloaders are very frugal with water I also think that people who are used to washing in a toploader have to get used to the quantity of water frontloaders use. Frontloaders wash with water, not in water. BTW, Whirlpool already that in 1958. You can see that in the movie "The Wonderful World of Wash and Wear". I posted a link to it in the Super forum, in the link about the Prelinger Archive. Go there! |
Post# 90827 , Reply# 31   10/26/2005 at 16:54 (6,728 days old) by gregm ()   |   | |
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thanks all for the feedback, it is helpful and interesting too |
Post# 91152 , Reply# 32   10/28/2005 at 21:53 (6,726 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 91184 , Reply# 33   10/29/2005 at 02:48 (6,726 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 91205 , Reply# 34   10/29/2005 at 07:03 (6,726 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)   |   | |
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HI everyone, as Jon mentioned i helped him set the high water level rinse permenantly. All Miele washers allow you to do this. Before the customer could programme it in, but now you have to call a service tech to do it for you. I have the W487WPS and it rinses very well with 3 rinses, 2 rinses do a good job too if I do laundry that's not absorbent. The water plus can be programmed to give you the extra rinse. Nathan what Miele did you buy? I thought you were going to wait for the new model or did you get the W1986. CLICK HERE TO GO TO mielerod69's LINK |
Post# 91329 , Reply# 36   10/30/2005 at 04:08 (6,725 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)   |   | |
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Hi Nathan, you are becoming a real Miele convert. I knew the capacity wouldn't be too much of an issue. Anyone who has had an 8kg toplader finds the capacity more than enough in the Miele. You can programme in an additional rinse with the water plus function, which I have done with mine. I find the automatic programme good for mixed loads. Do you use the intensive option or have you left it with the rapid default? Yes whites do become much brighter without the use of bleach. Regards Rod |