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| Post# 551891 10/25/2011 at 19:41 (4,559 days old) by bingwsguy (Binghamton NY) | ||
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I've been watching YouTube videos of vintage washing machines and wondering how some solid tubs seem to drain water faster than the perforated tubs? Can anyone explain? Also my logic says a perforated tub would dispose of debris better. True or false? Thanks. | ||
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| Post# 551892 , Reply# 1 10/25/2011 at 19:46 (4,559 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
 They don't have to wait for a pump to keep up. They move into spin, throw the water over the top, it collects in the outer tub and the pump then works to pump it out while the spinning dry can continue.
As far as debris, yes, the perf'd tubs disposed of it better. Consumer Reports regularly dinged the solid tubs for this. Unless you lived on a beach or rolled in the mud before washing, it really wasn't too much of an issue. | ||
| Post# 551893 , Reply# 2 10/25/2011 at 19:47 (4,559 days old) by DirectDriveDave () | ||
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On the solid tubs, like the old Frigidiares, there were holes in the top rim of the tub, and some of these machines did not have an outer tub, it would spin out all the water to inside the cabinet and then got pumped out from there. | ||
| Post# 551912 , Reply# 3 10/25/2011 at 21:46 (4,559 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD) | ||
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'70 hotpoint only solid tub i had washing experience with was a 1970 hotpoint-it would often leave a little sand in the bottom of the tub despite the"sediment tube"-this tube (of aluminum)later corroded,broke apart,and a piece lodged in the pump-contributing to this washer going to it's grave in 1981.... | ||
Post# 551924 , Reply# 4 10/26/2011 at 00:13 (4,559 days old) by whirlykenmore78  (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.)) |
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| Post# 551930 , Reply# 5 10/26/2011 at 01:08 (4,559 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea)) | ||
You'd have to be my age (65) to remember the Westinghouse commercials where they threw a cup of sand into the washer and the clothes came out with no sand. It all settled into the outer tub and sump by gravity. So if sand is an issue there is nothing like a frontloader.
Gravity will also remove sand in a perftub TL. But how a solidtub deals with sand is beyond me. It can't help settling to the bottom in agitate and filtering through the clothes in spin. | ||
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Post# 551936 , Reply# 6 10/26/2011 at 01:29 (4,559 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 551944 , Reply# 7 10/26/2011 at 03:37 (4,559 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas) | ||
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Impressive test. I see they had a Frigidaire Control Tower and a GE Filter Flow as test machines in addition to the Westinghouse FL. I think the reason the test succeeded was because of the perforated drum in the Westinghouse, the sand just fell right through. My question is with today's FL machines using so little water, would the results today be so impressive? | ||
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Post# 551951 , Reply# 8 10/26/2011 at 05:45 (4,559 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 551967 , Reply# 10 10/26/2011 at 07:55 (4,559 days old) by alr2903 (TN) | ||
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I think baby boomer diapers were washed in "Ivory snow", that was probably soap flakes and not a detergent back in the 1950's and 60's probably basis for a lot of the dreaded SCUM and warm rinsing. alr2903 | ||
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Post# 551975 , Reply# 11 10/26/2011 at 08:37 (4,559 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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I remember ads for Ivory Snow in the late 50s or very early 60s that said, "granulated for machine efficiency," but yes, it was soap way back then. | ||
| Post# 551980 , Reply# 12 10/26/2011 at 08:57 (4,559 days old) by bingwsguy (Binghamton NY) | ||
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Thanks Thank you everyone for the responses- all makes sense & learned a few more things as well. | ||
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Post# 551984 , Reply# 13 10/26/2011 at 09:09 (4,559 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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There are advantages and disadvantages to both. Perforated tub machines are clearly better with removing sand and heavy grit and make for much easier to design super-capacity washers. For farmers and other people who work with earth soil a perforated tub is definitely an advantage. I have found that beach sand is light enough that if the sand is properly shaken out it is not redeposited on the clothes even in solid tubs. Sediment tubes in the solid tub baskets were only slightly effective. Perforated tub machines big disadvantage is their propensity to suds-lock.
Solid tub machines are better for rinsing because of the overflow design, once suds and soil are over the top of the tub, there is no way for them to ever touch the clothes again. Solid tubs are also cleaner machines, if you've ever taken a wash basket out of any perforated tub machine you will find scum and with certain brands rust hidden beneath and around the wash basket. Your clothes are being soaked in this hidden grime. Being a office worker, my preference is solid tub machines for most types of clothes. | ||
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Post# 552055 , Reply# 14 10/26/2011 at 15:12 (4,558 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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So would | ||
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Post# 552058 , Reply# 15 10/26/2011 at 15:22 (4,558 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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Thats kinda funny........
we have a dealer out here, somewhat in the country, who has been an authorized Maytag and SpeedQueen dealer since 1960...... solid or perforated didn't matter, according to him, his customers were farmers and blue collar workers......the heavy duty performance of the SQ is what they preferred.....mainly because they were washing heavy twills and denims, greasy work clothes, sweaty coveralls.....of the few that did get the Maytags, soon traded in, returning to the solid tub SQ's....... | ||
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Post# 552457 , Reply# 16 10/28/2011 at 15:53 (4,556 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Martin, your evidence is similar to John's. When the company he worked for took on WP washers during a Maytag strike so that they would have something to sell, customers who had been Maytag owners and who bought a WP came back to tell him that their clothes were washed cleaner in the WP. | ||
| Post# 552749 , Reply# 17 10/30/2011 at 06:22 (4,555 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c ) | ||
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I am in TOTAL agreement. Maytags ARE great machines, and last forever, but to me, fall WAY short of a Whirlpool or Speed Queen and most especially a Norge in washing performance. | ||
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Post# 552754 , Reply# 18 10/30/2011 at 07:21 (4,555 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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SOLID VS PERFORATED BASKETS Agreed Hans and Tom about MTs but the real point here is S vs P tub machines. The only real advantage I could ever see is that they use less hot water for washing but they make up for some of the savings trying to rinse dirt and detergent out of the load in a non perforated tub using a very ineffective overflow rinses The overflow rinse does remove small amounts of floating soap scum and lint, but to actually rinse away dirty water and detergent residue you must first drain all the wash or rinse water.
Solid tub machines are also generally stinky machines as there are too many areas where water comes in contact with machines parts that are not completely washed down in the outer tub and under the top. As a result they build up more sticky scum, my WO-65 Frigidare is the only washer I have used regularly that stinks. I must say though that my 1962 WCI washer is not as bad as they used an outer tub by this time instead using the entire cabinet as a catch tub for the water. | ||
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Post# 552779 , Reply# 20 10/30/2011 at 10:45 (4,554 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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CLEANING OLD FD SOLID TUB WASHERS Yes I remember reading about this suggested cleaning procedure in Frigidare manuals, and I have tried it several times but the odor comes back. What I need to do is disassemble the machine and physically scrub out the crap, but in general I leave very old things alone as long as they work properly as this kind of project can turn into a major undertaking. | ||
| Post# 552784 , Reply# 21 10/30/2011 at 11:22 (4,554 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c ) | ||
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I did kind of get off subject..LOL! I always thought, for some reason solid tub machines washed a little better, just my imagination maybe?? | ||
| Post# 552815 , Reply# 23 10/30/2011 at 15:12 (4,554 days old) by 76speedqueen (Orleans County Ny) | ||
I like my solid tub! | ||
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