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Skeletons in my Closet! |
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Post# 555477 , Reply# 1   11/9/2011 at 20:08 (4,522 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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When first arrived, motor, pump, pulley, etc. were not in machine. I have reinstalled the motor and pump, as a start to reassemble the machine. |
Post# 555480 , Reply# 2   11/9/2011 at 20:10 (4,522 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Box of what else came with the machine. |
Post# 555482 , Reply# 3   11/9/2011 at 20:13 (4,522 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Glass is frosted! My hat off to the genius that thought of this! That person must lack common sense! |
Post# 555485 , Reply# 4   11/9/2011 at 20:15 (4,522 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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other side of door |
Post# 555487 , Reply# 5   11/9/2011 at 20:16 (4,522 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Opening looks good. |
Post# 555490 , Reply# 7   11/9/2011 at 20:22 (4,522 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Drum looks good. |
Post# 555494 , Reply# 8   11/9/2011 at 20:28 (4,522 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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These machines are walking dinosaurs. Parts are very hard to find, not to mention the drive mechanism is overly complicated and inefficient, these machines just suck. Time to change that! |
Post# 555496 , Reply# 9   11/9/2011 at 20:30 (4,522 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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What's in this box? |
Post# 555554 , Reply# 11   11/10/2011 at 00:17 (4,522 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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Frosted glass as a window replacement?and guess its time to simplify the drive mechanism of that Combo machine with a new Leeson motor and VFD?You have a GE Combo WD "Kit"!You have to supply the assembly instructions!Neat machine-will be interesting to see the final result! |
Post# 555559 , Reply# 12   11/10/2011 at 00:26 (4,522 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 555633 , Reply# 13   11/10/2011 at 09:19 (4,521 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Post# 555647 , Reply# 14   11/10/2011 at 10:45 (4,521 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 555660 , Reply# 15   11/10/2011 at 12:03 (4,521 days old) by Autowasherfreak ()   |   | |
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It will be very interesting to see what you do with. The frosted glass sucks, LOL. |
Post# 555790 , Reply# 17   11/10/2011 at 21:37 (4,521 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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What is ModCDSRRW? Hint: What does it have to do with this dishwasher? What is special about the GE Combo? |
Post# 555791 , Reply# 18   11/10/2011 at 21:39 (4,521 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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What is ModCDCW? Hint: What does this fan have to do with it? What do condensing dryers really need? |
Post# 555815 , Reply# 19   11/10/2011 at 23:24 (4,521 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 555919 , Reply# 21   11/11/2011 at 11:54 (4,520 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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In general I don't see that much info online about these machines. Here is a video of my thoughts as to how the mechanism works. CLICK HERE TO GO TO supremewhirlpol's LINK |
Post# 556042 , Reply# 22   11/11/2011 at 23:08 (4,520 days old) by qualin (Canada)   |   | |
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Good luck getting that old beast restored. I'm interested to see how your modifications will work with the older technology inside that machine. |
Post# 556044 , Reply# 23   11/11/2011 at 23:20 (4,520 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)   |   | |
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Post# 556133 , Reply# 26   11/12/2011 at 17:31 (4,519 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 556142 , Reply# 28   11/12/2011 at 18:50 (4,519 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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This motor needs to go. It only has 2 speeds and won"t do very much good |
Post# 556146 , Reply# 29   11/12/2011 at 18:54 (4,519 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Ah ha! There's the problem! |
Post# 556148 , Reply# 30   11/12/2011 at 18:56 (4,519 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Here is the replacement: |
Post# 556152 , Reply# 32   11/12/2011 at 19:06 (4,519 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Motor needs to be formatted. The feet can be mounted in different places around the motor to change its mounting orientation. |
Post# 556161 , Reply# 36   11/12/2011 at 19:27 (4,519 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Drill the holes out. Test the mounting holes with the motor. |
Post# 556163 , Reply# 37   11/12/2011 at 19:31 (4,519 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Worked like a charm! The bottom of the flange hangs low, so need to elevate the motor in order so that it will mount properly, otherwise you may break the feet when tightening the motor down. |
Post# 556284 , Reply# 39   11/13/2011 at 11:40 (4,518 days old) by eronie (Flushing Michigan)   |   | |
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This is getting VERY interesting !! The new varible speed controlers come in handy for a lot of projects I use them on my lathe an drill press no more belt changing!! |
Post# 556473 , Reply# 42   11/14/2011 at 10:30 (4,517 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 556500 , Reply# 44   11/14/2011 at 12:44 (4,517 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Glad to see you back, Melvin, and to hear you, too. Just watched your video. Interesting and soothing. I like it when people talk in their vids. It feels like you know them a little better. Always get a kick out of your mods. Can't wait to see what you do with the lights, remembering the sapphire and how your "matted" a slot near the inlet for the tub light, if memory is working right. This post was last edited 11/14/2011 at 13:04 |
Post# 556591 , Reply# 46   11/14/2011 at 18:54 (4,517 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 556753 , Reply# 48   11/15/2011 at 10:04 (4,516 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Everything about the motor is in metric units, so any pulley I use will have to be modified accordingly. Shaft diameter is ~.55in. pulley inner diameter is .5in. Pulley has been machined to fit the shaft. |
Post# 556754 , Reply# 49   11/15/2011 at 10:06 (4,516 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Pulley fits on shaft snug.(key removed) |
Post# 556755 , Reply# 50   11/15/2011 at 10:09 (4,516 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Here is the wiring configuration. The motor is currently configured for the higher voltage (440V 3ph). |
Post# 556757 , Reply# 51   11/15/2011 at 10:10 (4,516 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Using special conduit |
Post# 556758 , Reply# 52   11/15/2011 at 10:13 (4,516 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Here is the original motor configuration.(440v 3ph) Each wire is marked with a number. Motor is wye wound configuration. |
Post# 556762 , Reply# 54   11/15/2011 at 10:20 (4,516 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Motor wired, just needs to be installed. |
Post# 556764 , Reply# 55   11/15/2011 at 10:23 (4,516 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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I use size M6 metric bolts with locking nuts, they are stainless steel. Some washers here and there for elevating motor to account for the flange. |
Post# 556765 , Reply# 56   11/15/2011 at 10:24 (4,516 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Motor nameplate. |
Post# 556766 , Reply# 57   11/15/2011 at 10:27 (4,516 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Motor is mounted, time to test it. |
Post# 556768 , Reply# 58   11/15/2011 at 10:31 (4,516 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Test: no load, no VFD 220VAC 3ph CLICK HERE TO GO TO supremewhirlpol's LINK |
Post# 556951 , Reply# 59   11/16/2011 at 04:16 (4,515 days old) by qualin (Canada)   |   | |
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Glad to hear the motor is working. It makes quite a sound starting up. Good luck getting it to work with the VFD. |
Post# 557004 , Reply# 60   11/16/2011 at 10:33 (4,515 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 557060 , Reply# 61   11/16/2011 at 14:26 (4,515 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 558464 , Reply# 64   11/22/2011 at 06:37 (4,509 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Well it's here! ABB ACS-141-1K1-1-U Too bad it's made in China. |
Post# 558465 , Reply# 65   11/22/2011 at 06:39 (4,509 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Control wires go in this side. Heatsink is part of the mount. |
Post# 558466 , Reply# 66   11/22/2011 at 06:42 (4,509 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Mounting supports DIN rail too! |
Post# 558468 , Reply# 67   11/22/2011 at 06:43 (4,509 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Post# 558469 , Reply# 68   11/22/2011 at 06:44 (4,509 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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power input |
Post# 558470 , Reply# 69   11/22/2011 at 06:46 (4,509 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Output to the motor and braking |
Post# 558471 , Reply# 70   11/22/2011 at 06:52 (4,509 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Case off - terminals The capacitors in these devices can store a VERY nasty surprise. Be careful when operating with the case off. |
Post# 558472 , Reply# 71   11/22/2011 at 06:54 (4,509 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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VFD HIM |
Post# 558473 , Reply# 72   11/22/2011 at 06:56 (4,509 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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New and unused! |
Post# 558476 , Reply# 74   11/22/2011 at 07:23 (4,509 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Kinda hard finding a place to mount the VFD in the GE combo. You want to mount it in a place that does not have the opportunity to get wet, or very warm. The top right front looks good for now. |
Post# 558478 , Reply# 75   11/22/2011 at 07:27 (4,509 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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DIN rail makes mounting and removal more manageable. |
Post# 558481 , Reply# 77   11/22/2011 at 07:35 (4,509 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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I did some things here and there on the mechanical side to get it working just for the test. |
Post# 558482 , Reply# 78   11/22/2011 at 07:36 (4,509 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Post# 558484 , Reply# 79   11/22/2011 at 07:38 (4,509 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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I put the VFD in "local" mode. Lets proceed with testing. |
Post# 558486 , Reply# 80   11/22/2011 at 07:40 (4,509 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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It looks happy! Link to the test video below. CLICK HERE TO GO TO supremewhirlpol's LINK |
Post# 558673 , Reply# 81   11/23/2011 at 00:54 (4,509 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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Watched the video-GREAT-looks like the Motor and drive work well.glad the experiment is progressing.If you absolutly had to use a 120V input VFD-if its output could be cleaned up somewhat by running it thru a 1to 1 3Ph transformer.As you would know AC motors HATE square waves! |
Post# 559173 , Reply# 86   11/25/2011 at 14:19 (4,506 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Time to do some wire tracing! Wires are VERY filthy. Very important to see the color of the wires. Cleaning the inside of the console. |
Post# 559175 , Reply# 87   11/25/2011 at 14:20 (4,506 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Timer is missing a bolt. |
Post# 559177 , Reply# 88   11/25/2011 at 14:22 (4,506 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Everything else in the console looks good. |
Post# 559178 , Reply# 89   11/25/2011 at 14:24 (4,506 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Something is missing! |
Post# 559180 , Reply# 90   11/25/2011 at 14:26 (4,506 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Black wire from the terminal block is disconnected. This machine is nice and filthy! |
Post# 559182 , Reply# 91   11/25/2011 at 14:28 (4,506 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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More dirty wires! |
Post# 559183 , Reply# 92   11/25/2011 at 14:30 (4,506 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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hot/cold water valve, and condensing valve are missing. Judging by the mark on the cabinet, something very bad happened in this area. |
Post# 559520 , Reply# 94   11/26/2011 at 21:49 (4,505 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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I use C/H valves from Kenmore/Whirlpool DD machine and a water valve from either a refrigerator or dishwasher. They are spare parts that I took from machines. |
Post# 559804 , Reply# 96   11/27/2011 at 22:32 (4,504 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Tracing wires to figure out which ones go to each of the valves, I find the following. |
Post# 559805 , Reply# 97   11/27/2011 at 22:37 (4,504 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Purple + orange is for the condensing valve, but taping them together? Really? Good thing I decide to trace the wires before putting power to the while machine! Untaping one wire, not too happy about this! |
Post# 559807 , Reply# 98   11/27/2011 at 22:41 (4,504 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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After tracing the wires for the valves, I ended up switching the BL and BL/WH wires so that the HOT valve is on the bottom. |
Post# 559808 , Reply# 99   11/27/2011 at 22:43 (4,504 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Condensing valve connected. I have not taped the connectors yet |
Post# 559809 , Reply# 100   11/27/2011 at 22:45 (4,504 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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H/C water valves |
Post# 559810 , Reply# 101   11/27/2011 at 22:48 (4,504 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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something is missing here... |
Post# 559811 , Reply# 102   11/27/2011 at 22:50 (4,504 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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I'm missing the neutral wire! Interesting that I found it at the front of the machine! |
Post# 559812 , Reply# 103   11/27/2011 at 22:54 (4,504 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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I feel better about the terminal block now. |
Post# 559813 , Reply# 104   11/27/2011 at 22:57 (4,504 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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There's a unbalanced leg switch and the speed changer motor that I have to trace wires to now... |
Post# 561053 , Reply# 105   12/3/2011 at 22:11 (4,498 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Time to wire the contactors... |
Post# 561054 , Reply# 106   12/3/2011 at 22:15 (4,498 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Contactor for VFD: 110VAC coil : 220VAC load |
Post# 561055 , Reply# 107   12/3/2011 at 22:18 (4,498 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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VFD wired to contactor to terminal block |
Post# 562649 , Reply# 108   12/11/2011 at 14:44 (4,490 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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I got the feeling that who ever was playing with this machine is the past almost got their ### handed to them. This connector is from one of the elements going to the thermostat. |
Post# 562656 , Reply# 109   12/11/2011 at 14:57 (4,490 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Connector on the thermostat is even worse! Almost ready to test, except, I have one wire left. |
Post# 562677 , Reply# 110   12/11/2011 at 17:32 (4,490 days old) by starrail ()   |   | |
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I got here loking for information on Primus W series washer/extractors. Its good to know at least one other person has Primus knowledge. I hope to gain more. Jack aka StarRail@yahoo.com |
Post# 562708 , Reply# 112   12/11/2011 at 20:14 (4,490 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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There are 3 contactors, one for the pump, one for switching terminal that was on the original motor, the other contactor is for the VFD. This is a picture of the pump contactor buried in some of the wiring. |
Post# 562711 , Reply# 114   12/11/2011 at 20:20 (4,490 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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The VFD contactor: nothing changed here |
Post# 562713 , Reply# 115   12/11/2011 at 20:22 (4,490 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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A test video of the switching logic has been uploaded. CLICK HERE TO GO TO supremewhirlpol's LINK |
Post# 563056 , Reply# 118   12/13/2011 at 17:43 (4,488 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Here is the specifics on the macro I've chosen |
Post# 563209 , Reply# 120   12/14/2011 at 11:05 (4,487 days old) by Jsneaker ()   |   | |
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I am so sick of seeing everything made in the United States of China! Thanks to bureaucratic, money-hungry unions, the USA is no longer competitive. |
Post# 565480 , Reply# 122   12/27/2011 at 22:29 (4,474 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Time to get rid of more unnecessary useless proprietary GE crap! I make my own generic idler pulley. I use 1/4"? thick angle iron left over from another project. |
Post# 565481 , Reply# 123   12/27/2011 at 22:31 (4,474 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Post# 565482 , Reply# 124   12/27/2011 at 22:33 (4,474 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Time to cut it. Lots of flying metal and sparks! |
Post# 565483 , Reply# 125   12/27/2011 at 22:35 (4,474 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Very hot! Still glowing. |
Post# 565485 , Reply# 126   12/27/2011 at 22:36 (4,474 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Post# 565486 , Reply# 127   12/27/2011 at 22:38 (4,474 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Time to paint the bracket. |
Post# 565487 , Reply# 128   12/27/2011 at 22:39 (4,474 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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painted black! |
Post# 565488 , Reply# 129   12/27/2011 at 22:41 (4,474 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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use threaded rods and locking nuts. |
Post# 565492 , Reply# 130   12/27/2011 at 22:58 (4,474 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Start relay moved, more things added. Space starting to get tight, still have things to add. |
Post# 565691 , Reply# 131   12/29/2011 at 01:41 (4,473 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Idler pulley has internal bearing. |
Post# 565694 , Reply# 132   12/29/2011 at 01:43 (4,473 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Use the lock nuts to your advantage to change the position of the pulley. |
Post# 565697 , Reply# 133   12/29/2011 at 01:46 (4,473 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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I use a spring for tension. |
Post# 565699 , Reply# 134   12/29/2011 at 01:51 (4,473 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Oh gee, should I really reveal what I use to control the VFD? |
Post# 565790 , Reply# 136   12/29/2011 at 13:43 (4,472 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Ummmm... hello. Anyone? |
Post# 565798 , Reply# 137   12/29/2011 at 15:14 (4,472 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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Post# 565801 , Reply# 138   12/29/2011 at 15:43 (4,472 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Eddie: I thought you'd never ask! What kept you? I use Siemens LOGO! brick PLC. |
Post# 565802 , Reply# 139   12/29/2011 at 15:46 (4,472 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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the LOGO! mounting is DIN rail, requires 12/24VDC power. I mount it on the end next to the option switches on the console. |
Post# 565803 , Reply# 140   12/29/2011 at 15:48 (4,472 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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The LOGO! needs a power supply, the machine start relay needed to be moved. |
Post# 565804 , Reply# 141   12/29/2011 at 15:54 (4,472 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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VFD control is LVDC. The LOGO! interfaces the signals of the machine to something that is understandable to the VFD. On the VFD, I use terminals 8-14. |
Post# 565805 , Reply# 142   12/29/2011 at 15:57 (4,472 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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terminals 8, 10 are connected together. Terminal 9 is the 12V+ DC signal, is gets used with the rest of the terminals. |
Post# 565806 , Reply# 143   12/29/2011 at 15:58 (4,472 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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At this point, configuration of the VFD is finished! |
Post# 565813 , Reply# 146   12/29/2011 at 16:21 (4,472 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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I could have used the extra terminals in the contactors to do this, but I make it a point to isolate the DC signals from the AC signals! |
Post# 565886 , Reply# 149   12/29/2011 at 23:58 (4,472 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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I like how this project unfolds-peice at a time-won't ask questions until Melvin completes it. |
Post# 566036 , Reply# 152   12/31/2011 at 01:52 (4,471 days old) by qualin (Canada)   |   | |
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Melvin, What on Earth do you do for a living that you know all of this stuff? |
Post# 566054 , Reply# 153   12/31/2011 at 04:31 (4,470 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 567206 , Reply# 156   1/5/2012 at 22:05 (4,465 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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It walks, talks, kicks, poops, and pees! Need to make a minor change in the program. Need to change some settings in the VFD to properly reflect the load. Have another idea i'm going to implement. |
Post# 567254 , Reply# 157   1/6/2012 at 05:09 (4,464 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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