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Post# 556788   11/15/2011 at 12:19 (4,517 days old) by jade (Oregon)        

I am very new to this world you all seem to be such experts in so I am hoping someone will kindly help me and share their knowledge.

My "new" vintage Simplicity wringer washer will not hold water. When I try filling the tub it drains straight away out the hose, even when the machine is on. I have it in the off position (it has a pump to take the water out) and have even taken the agitator off to check the bottom seal which looks solid. I don't know what else I am supposed to be looking for. I am scouring the internet trying to find an answer, but if anyone can help me I would appreciate it






Post# 556790 , Reply# 1   11/15/2011 at 12:28 (4,517 days old) by jade (Oregon)        

never mind I figured it out!

Post# 556794 , Reply# 2   11/15/2011 at 12:51 (4,517 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
HI Jade....Just curious

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Is there a pump on your machine or does it drain by gravity?

 

What did you figure out?


Post# 556805 , Reply# 3   11/15/2011 at 14:07 (4,517 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Post# 556811 , Reply# 4   11/15/2011 at 14:27 (4,517 days old) by jade (Oregon)        

okay I feel stupid posting this but since I was asked, and I am sure I am not the only newbie that has had one of these moments-

It does have a pump so I thought that using the pump was the only way it could drain water like a modern machine. I had no idea it would drain automatically if the hose was "out" but the machine not turned on. Yes total d'oh! moment but I have no experience using these machines,no one in my family ever had one by the time I came along so I am learning as I go.

Having just completed my first washload I can say that I am in love. :) Modern machines can suck it! I couldn't believe how much dirt came out of my "oh I'll wash these white things but they aren't that dirty" clothes!


Post# 556836 , Reply# 5   11/15/2011 at 15:52 (4,517 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
Welcome to AW

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Jade----we all make mistakes, don't worry. Most washer pumps will let the water flow right out if the hose is on the floor, it's how I've flooded my basement more than once, trust me.

Welcome to AW.org, and take some pictures of your machine for us--

Mark

 


Post# 556841 , Reply# 6   11/15/2011 at 16:09 (4,517 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Jade

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Look at me asking if it has a pump when you already said it did! Every wringer and many automatics drain out when the hose is on the floor. So glad you like your wringer washer. Many people here have one or more and love them.

 

When I read you earlier, I said nothing because I couldn't figure out what was going on. Then when you said you solved it, I wrote without re-reading your question. I'm the one who's dumb.Wink

 

You've probably figured out that gravity draining machines operate by throwing the hose on the floor. Maytag is famous for them and sold millions of them. Could be wrong about the millions. Have to ask Ben or Geoff. Pictures would be sweet.


Post# 556859 , Reply# 7   11/15/2011 at 17:59 (4,516 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Welcome Jade.....actually almost every machine (automatic or wringer) and also dishwashers that have the hose exit placed under the tub throws water if the hose is on the floor, some automatics models have the exit upper to the tub level and this does not happend .....you do not have to feel stupid at all! You tought it had a kind of "thing" that blocks the water in the tub if the pump is not on am I right? But you've now learned that no washer have this thing....we're humans and we learn also by our mistakes! Glad, very glad you're happy with it!
Pics are welcome if you can.


Post# 556948 , Reply# 8   11/16/2011 at 04:00 (4,516 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

I recall our old 60's era GE Filter Flo had an anti-siphon valve to prevent the tub from draining.

As soon as we replaced it with a 70's vintage Whirlpool, we had the exact same problem. The cure for it was to make sure the drain was higher than the top of the tub so it wouldn't siphon anymore.


Post# 557027 , Reply# 9   11/16/2011 at 12:13 (4,516 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Welcome, Jade!  As a fellow Montrealer (at least part time!) I know of a few local parts sources if you might ever need them.  Don't hestitate to post or write me directly if you have any further questions!


Post# 557052 , Reply# 10   11/16/2011 at 13:46 (4,516 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        
@qualin

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Really? Wow! So they really made that things on washers!!!! Did not know! Please can you explain me how it works? Very curiois about! I've a 90s filterflo but does not have that valve, was it a peculiarity just of the 60s models?

Post# 557477 , Reply# 11   11/18/2011 at 01:03 (4,514 days old) by qualin (Canada)        
To Kenmoreguy

I'm not sure when GE stopped making washers with anti-siphon valves, but I can say that my parents machine was probably a Middle of the Line machine from what I could remember.

In all honesty, I have no idea how those kinds of valves work. Either that or perhaps the pump was of a different design than the Whirlpool...

All I know is that 60's vintage FF's don't siphon. :)


Post# 557614 , Reply# 12   11/18/2011 at 15:17 (4,514 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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That's probably cuz their hose "exit" was placed higher to the tub and not cuz they have a valve, like my filterflo......think it is so, as I guess all filterflos have the same kind of pump from 60s to the lasts and they usually does not have a valve.....but I could also be wrong.
Yes pump is quite different than the older whirlpool and kenmore, I'll post a pic, I've replaced mine about 4 months ago.
Pumps are directly connected to the motor.
They just have a propeller inside, 2 propellers, one smaller runs in one direction to pump recirculation water to the lint filter pan on (washing direction) , and the other one, the bigger, pumps water out when is on spin direction....




Post# 557615 , Reply# 13   11/18/2011 at 15:18 (4,514 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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another pic

Post# 558979 , Reply# 14   11/24/2011 at 15:14 (4,508 days old) by bpetersxx (laf in on the banks of the Wabash River)        

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Now I'm curious to the was the 4 port pump on a GE and or Hotpoint works

I know 1 port is for the filterflo rimflo system

1 port is to the tub drain

1 port is to the drain hose to drain the washer

But I cannot figure out the 4th port

I figures that the water goes from the tub drain to the pump to the filterflo rimflo

Then when the washer drains the water goes from the tub drain to the pump to the drain hose

Maybe I'm missing a hose that is there somewhere that hooks to the 4th pump port


Post# 558981 , Reply# 15   11/24/2011 at 15:37 (4,508 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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from what I can remember back of all models of FF, its just a matter of inside the drain hose loops up to the top of the cabinet and then down to the connection for the drain hose......no anti siphon device included......laying the drain hose on the floor, the machine would not just empty out, but if the machine was put into spin for a few seconds to get the water going, and then stopped, the water would continue to flow, until the tub was empty or the drain hose raised higher than the machine....this design also eliminated the cavitation noise of the pump running in reverse.....

the four port pump----the top/smaller ports it for the filter flo...one in, and one out(clockwise)........same goes for the drain/larger, one in and one out(counter-clockwise)......the motor reversing decided if it should filter with the agitation...or drain with the spin.....a simple design


Post# 558990 , Reply# 16   11/24/2011 at 17:43 (4,507 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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The're 2 separate chambers in the pump unit, every chambers have it's own propeller, every chamber has an IN and an OUT, every propeller is shaped inside toward the direction will have to pump, filterflo water propeller will need to be shaped to pump water out turning in a clockwise direction, the drain propeller to pump out in counter clockwise direction, yes it's a very simple design but at the same time very smart, GE in fact followed this kind of simple and smart designs for all the washer itself and if you'll ever get in hand a GE you'll undesrtand of what I'm talking about, I love the mechanical scheme to wich they're built, you know, functional, strong, ingenious and simple at the same time, a lot of mechanic features without too many fripperies.......


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