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Thread Number: 37469
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| Post# 557123 11/16/2011 at 21:31 (4,406 days old) by david310 () | ||
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I'm thinking about getting a Maytag Bravo TopLoad but the reviews don't look that good. Any opinions? | ||
Post# 557145 , Reply# 2 11/16/2011 at 23:44 (4,406 days old) by sudsmaster  (SF Bay Area, California) |
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The Maytag Bravos has gotten top reviews in past Consumer Reports.
For what it's worth. I am however intrigued by the LG version... one of which has an internal water heater - which could be important if you view hot water washing as essential for best results. As far as I can tell, none of the Whirlpool/Maytag washplate top loaders have internal water heaters. The problem with LG is their spotty service history in the USA. As one local independent appliance dealer said to me, "I wouldn't wish LG on anybody"... | ||
| Post# 557160 , Reply# 3 11/17/2011 at 02:24 (4,406 days old) by coldspot () | ||
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Are these safe to use? CLICK HERE TO GO TO coldspot's LINK | ||
| Post# 557166 , Reply# 4 11/17/2011 at 03:44 (4,406 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea)) | ||
Call me prejudiced, but after the decline of Maytag and sale to Whirlpool, themselves in decline, I'd be VERY skeptical of buying a Whirltag/Maypool. Best I can determine, there is no longer a US appliance vendor with any integrity. Even GE has sold product with their name on it made by Electro-Frigi-White.
An antique from a reputable manufacturer might be your best value at this unfortunate time in the evolution of appliances. | ||
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Post# 557169 , Reply# 5 11/17/2011 at 04:10 (4,406 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 As far as I can tell, none of the Whirlpool/Maytag washplate top loaders have internal water heaters.Assuming the website descriptions are accurate, there are now again two Whirlpool Cabrio models and at least one, possibly two, Maytag Bravos models with water heating. If I was buying a new HE toploader with water heating, I'd chose one of the Cabrio or Bravos machines. Without water heating, probably an F&P AquaSmart. | ||
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Post# 557189 , Reply# 9 11/17/2011 at 07:18 (4,406 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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I think the option of TL versus FL is just that, an option, or preference.....
in my own case, I got a FL, with raised pedestals, but my Mother had a hard time getting clothes out, she's 83, she wanted to go back to a regular TLer again, I still wanted a HE machine, so the conventional TL Whirlpool Calypso was the best option, foolproof TL design and operation, with low water usage, and even better the matching dryer with the drop down hamper door.... another question----can a Bravos or similar HE TLer's water level be raised, like we do in some FLer's.....adjustable pressure switch?....... I also think a version like the Bravos would be better with the waterfall suds, like in the Calypso, saturating the load, may be a better option for the low water usage...........even Frigidaire FL now has the Sprinkler to make sure the load is saturated from the very low water usage.... | ||
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Post# 557218 , Reply# 11 11/17/2011 at 11:02 (4,406 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 557219 , Reply# 12 11/17/2011 at 11:04 (4,406 days old) by iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
 My Nephew and his wife have the Kenmore version of the TL HE may not be the same as the Bravo though. Niece calls it the towel shredder, as it is very rought on clothes. My sis that is their live-in babysitter says if you put something large in the machine, such as a comforter; the center doesn't even get wet.
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| Post# 557251 , Reply# 14 11/17/2011 at 12:40 (4,405 days old) by whitetub (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Get a front loader. Stay away from washplate washers. Unless you want wrinkled clothing. That's my advice. | ||
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Post# 557262 , Reply# 15 11/17/2011 at 13:08 (4,405 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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JSneaker, there are many plastic-tub machines with water heating. Neptune frontloader models MAH6500 and MAH7500 and the TOL FAV9800 Neptune TL have plastic outer tubs and water heaters. Duet and Kenmore HEt models, KitchenAid Ensemble & Proline, Maytag Epic. Likely LG HE toploaders with water heating have plastic outer tubs. Apparently my posts are often not read. As I said above, there are two Cabrio HE models on Whirlpool's site described to have water heaters, and water heaters are shown in the parts diagrams -- WTW7990XG and WTW8800YW/C. Also confirming via the parts diagram, Maytag Bravos MVWB950YW/G. Some current frontloaders also. | ||
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Post# 557278 , Reply# 16 11/17/2011 at 13:59 (4,405 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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I suppose I'm biased. Of all the HE washers available here in the US, I prefer front loaders. From what I've seen (machines in operation on YouTube) I don't like the majority of the HE-top load, wash plate type machines.
I do agree that they:
1. use too little water for what they are trying to do (perhaps just a few gallons more would help?)
2. achieve poor "roll over" at best
3. are very slow to get everything "wet" becasuse of #1 & #2.
4. I can only assume are poor at rinsing becasuse of #1, #2 & #3
5. they look to me, to be very rough on the fabrics being washed due to the lack of water and the wash action.
For those reasons I would never buy a top load HE washer. Though it's not to say if someone GAVE me one I wouldn't try it out. But most likely I'd just "flip it" after a short time.
I do have a WP Calypso and as much as so many people "poo poo" the machine, I really like it and think it does a good job.
Just my 3 1/2 cents worth. Kevin | ||
| Post# 557288 , Reply# 18 11/17/2011 at 14:28 (4,405 days old) by runematic (southcentral pa) | ||
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Post# 557354 , Reply# 19 11/17/2011 at 17:56 (4,405 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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I stand corrected about the availability of internal water heating in the Bravos/Cabrio line. Good thing, because I'd probably recommend one of those models over anything LG makes.
That said, when I looked at the link above, I also saw a number of other youtube videos about both LG and Maytag/Whirlpool HE toploaders that had self-destructed during the spin cycle. Makes me wonder if these machines are being manufactured wrong, or if it's a design issue. In one case the video poster said that Whirlpool said the bottom support for the machine had rusted out and crumbled. I suppose this might explain why the off-balance cutoff switch wasn't activated, because the drum had droppped below the level of the switch? | ||
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Post# 557367 , Reply# 20 11/17/2011 at 18:45 (4,405 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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In one case the video poster said that Whirlpool said the bottom support for the machine had rusted out and crumbled. I suppose this might explain why the off-balance cutoff switch wasn't activated, because the drum had droppped below the level of the switch?There's no physical off-balance switch on these machines. The control board software determines off balance by monitoring RPM, rotational inertia, and other factors (referred to as "bump detect"). There also is no bottom support. The tub hangs from the four corners of the upper cabinet frame via spring-cushioned rods. The upper frame would been what rusted (assuming it was a factor at all), not the bottom. I've heard in some cases there can also be a problem with the support rods contributing to excess tub oscillation. "Bump detect" depends on proper "operation" of the support rods. | ||
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Post# 557370 , Reply# 21 11/17/2011 at 19:08 (4,405 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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sometimes you have to account for a percentage of operator error, or letting someone else use the machine..........too many times they also let children use the machine, unlike us, who have no clue of what they are doing!....
I got back a Kenmore DD, that I sold to someone 8 months ago, which was in great condition when they took it........now looked like they threw bricks at the machine on the outside, and then washed them!.....I have never seen a chewed up DA until now.....they even had it duct taped all over to keep it together.....I have no idea what the hell they did to it......but they would be the first one to blame the machine for being faulty!...... | ||
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Post# 557384 , Reply# 22 11/17/2011 at 20:08 (4,405 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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The video linked above of a destroyed Bravos, the fellow mentions that a mattress pad was being washed at the time. Question is what else was in the load and what cycle was being used. Bulky item cycles typically run at a slower spin speed to help avoid excess vibration. A somewhat common cause of such destruction (as our Pulsator/Jamie can attest) is a billowy/bulky item protruding out of the basket and contacting machine-top structure during spin. | ||
| Post# 557486 , Reply# 24 11/18/2011 at 01:48 (4,405 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea)) | ||
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The 50s Westy could leap across the floor, nothing to stop it. Several TLs later, they had mechanical limits that would turn them off but only if the tub happened to offbaalance in the direction of the lever (roughly 50% effective). Present FL, more typical, detects RPM or motor current variations in distribution speed, cancels spin and retries (but doesn't stop timer so a spin can be missed altogether).
For electronic control machines there is little excuse for offbalance banging. There are chip gyro-accelerometers that are found in $20 model helicopters. | ||
| Post# 557514 , Reply# 27 11/18/2011 at 06:06 (4,405 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
Load Sense
And for the several minutes of load detection at the beginning of the cycle, they should be able to detect a possible condition that might cause the machine to self destruct.
Then when it knocks the gas line off the back of the dryer and burns your house to the ground, LG can say. Sorry, you chose the wrong cycle...LOL! Malcolm | ||
| Post# 557695 , Reply# 30 11/18/2011 at 22:40 (4,404 days old) by KenmoreBD (Mass, usa ) | ||
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I would throw in for GE top loader with agi, great wash action, saves water, never has any issues with sensing the load. All it does is a slow spin when filling and moves to wash when its filled to a reasonable amount. Just a word of warning they dont build them like they use too. -Andrew | ||
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Post# 557713 , Reply# 31 11/18/2011 at 23:51 (4,404 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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| Post# 559511 , Reply# 32 11/26/2011 at 20:46 (4,396 days old) by Autowasherfreak () | ||
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I have a WP Cabrio, and I have been pleased with it so far. | ||
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