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POD 11/21/11, Frigidaire mid 50s DW
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Post# 558230   11/21/2011 at 05:40 (4,532 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

To quote W.C. Fields regarding the claims made in the text, "Bushwah."




Post# 558232 , Reply# 1   11/21/2011 at 05:47 (4,532 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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And that is putting it mildly too Tom!!  What a joke!!!!!  No "truth in advertising" here!!


Post# 558256 , Reply# 2   11/21/2011 at 08:27 (4,532 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
I concur...

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I worked very hard to restore a machine just like the one in this ad but sheesh, when I tested it,  I was not that impressed...

The selling point about the long stemware makes sense, though.   But 'greasy pots and pans'.... Um... NO!   LOL


Post# 558335 , Reply# 3   11/21/2011 at 14:13 (4,532 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Paul, is there any difference in the washing action (water pressure, the number of jets or number/length of rinses) between the early spin tube models and later ones, like the 1962 you gave me (other than the added wash arm at the top on the even newer ones?) or is it just the shape of the racks that changed? Do you know when detergent dispensers were introduced on higher end models?

Post# 558341 , Reply# 4   11/21/2011 at 14:43 (4,532 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
All of the above

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The holes in the '63 were large and slot-like, and there was the constant rinse on the top.  Later models would forego the nice, flat, arched top rack, in favor of a many-tined monstrosity that gave extra space for loading bowls and saucers, but lost forever the nice place to put deeper dishes and mixing bowls/pots/pans. 

 

I had excellent results from my Custom Imperial with the double-wash and double (covered, triggered) dispenser, but I had soft and steamin' hot water.  I even got to where I could load pots and pans in the bottom and they'd get clean.

 

However, the only way eleven-inch plates would fit in that thing would be if we were talking AOL inches.  I had some 10" plates, and they would hang up on the top rack, so I had to pull out the bottom rack, pull out the top rack, lift up the top rack, stand up the plates, let the top rack drop back down, push both back into the dishwasher, and voila.

 

Needless (needle-less?) to say, that lost its charm after a while.


Post# 558376 , Reply# 5   11/21/2011 at 18:25 (4,532 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
detergent dispensers

were introduced in the Custom Imperial models in 1959. It was an exclusive feature on Custom Imperials only, until the 1966 line, when the Imperial model was introduced. It wasn't until 1968 when all front-loading Frigidaire dishwashers featured a dual detergent dispenser.

Post# 558386 , Reply# 6   11/21/2011 at 19:08 (4,532 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

I remember seeing two different wash arm + tower Frigidaire dishwashers that had a single, screen covered recess in the door for detergent.

Post# 558393 , Reply# 7   11/21/2011 at 19:54 (4,532 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
yes Tom

You are right but it was only a protected cup, not a true dispenser. The perforated cover did not open and the first wash was the main wash. The cycle was basically the same as on the "Deluxe" Spin-tube model.
This dispenser was on the first "Deluxe" spray arm model (1965 - J) and lasted only one year. On the K models they used the little screen in the silver basket for the detergent.


Post# 558440 , Reply# 8   11/22/2011 at 02:37 (4,532 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Is there somebody that could lead me where to find parts for a Custom Imperial spintube dishwasher? I'd be interested in a complete door to convert one of my Deluxe dishwashers into a Custom Imperial (if that's possible!). I'd also like to get a plain timer knob for a '63-'64.


Post# 558459 , Reply# 9   11/22/2011 at 06:00 (4,531 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Steve, I looked at that and wondered why they even bothered with the screen unless the machine had a purge, not the Stalinist kind, but a pre-wash purge since there was no pre-rinse to warm up the insides and the screen was to keep the detergent dry. So one wash and 4 rinses--not exactly progress from the mid 50s to the mid 60s. There was a house in our neighborhood that was on the market for a long time that had that model. The builder liked Frigidaire appliances, but no other house had that el cheapo dw in it. Our builder used GE appliances and said our house was the only one he built with a KA dw because it was specified.

Post# 558627 , Reply# 10   11/22/2011 at 20:52 (4,531 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
No purge?

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Not the post-binging kind either, but my Dishmobile spin-tube had a purge. Not only before the first wash, but after every cycle segment prior to the next fill. Was this something unique to the Custom Imperials?

Post# 558635 , Reply# 11   11/22/2011 at 21:35 (4,531 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Nate, the 1963 Custom Deluxe that friends had, I do remember the purge before the 1st (only) wash.  but I don't remember if there was a purge before the first of the 3 rinses (which would have really been the 2nd wash on the Custom Imperial.)  Now mind you, I cannot remember the exact phrasing on the dial, but that was also the beginning point for the short wash cycle (or the similar concept of the shortened cycle) , so there could have been a purge there too. 


Post# 558638 , Reply# 12   11/22/2011 at 21:37 (4,531 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
Nope

They had 3 purges per full cycle on both Custom Imperial and Deluxe models. First, before the pre wash (or main wash on the Deluxe), then prior to the two rinses. The purge ("flush" they called it) was eliminated with the spray tube. I added a relay on mine and eliminated the flush and saved 5 1/2 gallons of hot water. The full cycle now only uses a little over 7 gallons.

Post# 558641 , Reply# 13   11/22/2011 at 21:46 (4,531 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
Correct, Tom

So one wash and 4 rinses--

Yes and each rinse was only 2 or 3  minutes long.  Same was true for the Custom Imperial except it has 2 washes and 3 rinses. And those washes were only 4 minutes long.


Post# 558807 , Reply# 14   11/23/2011 at 15:49 (4,530 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Steve, when I read the cycle chart, I wondered how it cleaned dishes with such a short wash. What Frigidaire did not know about making dishwashers would have filled a book. When you consider their washers, you would think that their dishwashers would scrub the daisies off dishes but that was not the case.

And what about the plastic timer ring and the chrome button with pointer that you pushed in to start the cycle? The only way to advance it was to pry off the face of the plastic ring so that you could grab the button and turn it.


Post# 558836 , Reply# 15   11/23/2011 at 19:08 (4,530 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
The "J" Super model ?

It didn't even tell you what part of the cycle it was in. "Just press the button" for a full wash. They did add a little in the 67 & 68's with an outer dial to correspond to the line on that chrome button.
I don't care, though, I still love 'em.


Post# 560264 , Reply# 16   11/29/2011 at 19:43 (4,524 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Steve,

Do you have pics of the "J" super model? The only "J" Super model I have ever seen is my top-loading D&M, and I don't think it has much in common with it! Was 1965 the first year for Frigidaire Super dishwashers (other than the D&M sourced top-loaders)?

BTW, I haven't connected your former 1964 DeLuxe spin tube yet but I did a few tests with non-rinsed dishes in the 1962 (which lacks the upper spray arm of the newer ones) and I think I'm getting better at loading it properly! I just can't figure how to load things like tall Mason jars so they get washed! I think it's probably just impossible to wash these in it!

If you ever come across some Custom Imperial parts (drain valve motor, inner/outer door, timer...) that you don't need, let me know!


Post# 560675 , Reply# 17   12/1/2011 at 16:59 (4,522 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
65 Super Dishmobile

I think back to 1965 and any kind of dishwasher would have been great, no matter how plain.

Post# 560676 , Reply# 18   12/1/2011 at 17:01 (4,522 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
cost savings

I've always wondered how much was the manufacturing cost savings difference to justify such a no frills model?

Post# 560911 , Reply# 19   12/3/2011 at 05:22 (4,520 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Thanks for the pics Steve!

Post# 560919 , Reply# 20   12/3/2011 at 07:43 (4,520 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
65 Super Dishmobile!

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I knew someone that had this above model. It did wash decent enough, but if you wanted to shorten, reset or cancel cycle you couldnt. You needed to let the timer go all the way around by itself. (stupid idea) in my openion!
Peter



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