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Just Something I noticed about Washer Dryer Combinations and Top Loading Dishwashers
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Post# 558737   11/23/2011 at 09:59 (4,536 days old) by verizonbear (Glen Burnie )        

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They both both left the american market in the 1970-1973 time frame. Anyone else notice that?




Post# 558802 , Reply# 1   11/23/2011 at 15:38 (4,536 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Top loading portable dishwashers were made into the late 70s by Hobart & GE to name 2.

Post# 558846 , Reply# 2   11/23/2011 at 19:56 (4,536 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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They faded out in Canada earlier than that. I am pretty sure the last Vikings (the Eaton's store brand) were the 1975 models and I don't remember seeing any other brands on their appliance floor after then.

Post# 558876 , Reply# 3   11/23/2011 at 23:02 (4,536 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

Can't you still buy Combos today though?

I saw an LG combo selling at the local appliance shop not that long ago..


Post# 558922 , Reply# 4   11/24/2011 at 07:40 (4,535 days old) by JETCONE (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
IT WAS THE

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SPACE ALIENS- THEY DID IT!

 


Post# 558926 , Reply# 5   11/24/2011 at 08:35 (4,535 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)        

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I suspect washer-dryer combos were discontinued because of the energy crisis and that is when laundry centers with the dryer on top came on the market.  As for the top load dishwashers by 1974 so many kitchens had built in dishwashers by that time there probably was not much of a market.


Post# 559971 , Reply# 6   11/28/2011 at 15:44 (4,531 days old) by Jsneaker ()        
Combo's are not so effective

I know I may get some flak about this post, but while I loved the original "combo concept", I would never have bought one of those products. It is understood that cycles of current front-load washers take at least an hour & upwards to complete. With the current combo's, you either must run the full, continuous cycle with a half-size load, or pause the machine to halve the regular wash load before the dry cycle. Next, the drying takes so long due to the 120V heater & condensing. I don't have my washer at my place to access quickly, and it's truly excruciating to spend 5 hours doing only 3 full wash loads! My sensor dryer now takes about 35 minutes total for most regular loads to dry on "medium" heat, so I have over one-half-hour to futz-around in between loads.

Post# 559987 , Reply# 7   11/28/2011 at 18:09 (4,531 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
THE DEMIZE OF US MADE COMBOS

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Bob the last US combo rolled off the assembly line before anyone even knew that an energy crisis might happen and furthermore many US full sized combos used no more and even less total water, hot water, and electricity than the average separate washers and dryers at the time.

 

Jason many of the US built combos were EXCELLENT performers, CRs called the first Bendix an impressive achievement that performed as well as the best separate machines of the day. And in the 1960 report they said that many users would think that these machines were a gift from the gods. Many of these machines completed the entire cycle in little over an hour, and they were washing as big a load as any separate washer and dryer made at the time, and you never had to stop the machine and remove 1/2 the load.

 

There are many, many reasons why the first US combos did not make it some of which I have already gone over. I an not picking on you two, but neither one of the reasons you two stated would even make it on the top 25 reasons why combos failed the first time. Combos will come back in time, if you really think about it it makes little sense to have two separate appliances to do one job. [ anyone ever hear of having a dishwasher and a separate dishdryer ?], And now that huge FL washers are becoming common it really doesn't make any sense to not just let the washer finish the job, [ plus this will solve the mold problem once and for all LOL ]. 

 


Post# 559998 , Reply# 8   11/28/2011 at 19:02 (4,531 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
"...due to the 120V heater & condensing..."

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IIRC most if not all vintage W&D combination units used gas or required 220v/230v/240v electrical power for heating.

I mean with an average final spin speed of 230rpms or so you're going to need heat and lots of it to dry that heavy wet laundry in any reasonable amount of time.

Should larger combination models return don't think we would see gas units without tons of major safety desgins.




Post# 560055 , Reply# 9   11/28/2011 at 21:42 (4,531 days old) by Jsneaker ()        
Combo52's Demise of the WD;s

I know that the early Duomatic was well-rated. I also am aware that the whole 8-10 lb load for combos was able to go through the full cycle interrupted. I don't EVER use the heated dry on my Tragic Chef "elCheapeepo", I just open the door, and let the steam dissipate. I also leave my Samsung's door open 'til the next wash, wipe the window and door and gasket, and remove and wipe the dispenser sleeve, leaving the tray out on top of the machine to dry. Still smells like new! I never use washer-cleaner, or chlorine bleach and check the pump drain once every 6 months(nothing there).

Post# 560063 , Reply# 10   11/28/2011 at 22:16 (4,531 days old) by Maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)        
My thing about

combination washer-dryers is one thing that I have yet to have a personally satisfying response to. I am a stain freak. I like to be able to look at all the items in a wash load before putting them into the dryer. Yes, I could run a just wash cycle, examine all the items, and then run a just dry cycle, but that seems to defeat the purpose of a washer-dryer, no?


I think combinations are fascinating, and if the spin speeds could be higher, and the engineering a little less Rube Goldberg/Heath Robinson, they would have real market potential.



Lawrence/Maytagbear


Post# 560075 , Reply# 11   11/28/2011 at 23:48 (4,531 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

The LG WM3987HW is a washer/dryer combo with a 1400 RPM spin speed, so there's really no reason why Americans can start making them again with high spin speeds.

Maybe US manufacturers found that it was just cheaper to manufacture a stacked washer/dryer combo instead, using technology they already had invested in.



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