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V-Zug Adora SLQ Washing Machine "WetClean" Cycle
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Post# 563576   12/16/2011 at 15:02 (4,369 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        

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Have finally gotten around to sorting out the videos of the Zug Adora using the "WetClean" cycle, this is a very gentle cycle much gentler than woollens, which is used for items that are usually Dry Cleaned, the wash water is sprayed onto the clothes whilst they are rocked in the drum, a few turns every 20 seconds, total programme time is around one hour, 25 mins wash soak and then rinsing and a 600rpm spin dry.....I tested it using a red cashmire scarf with two black cotton shirts, because of the minimum movement there was no fluff on the shirts....will try a dry clean suit next...

Post# 563586 , Reply# 1   12/16/2011 at 15:51 (4,369 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Zug Tacho Speed Controller

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While I was looking at some video I noticed what I thought where markings on the drum pulley, when I went to the machine & looked further is saw that the back part of the pulley (non belt part) had cut outs all around the pulley, to the rhs quarterpast you will see a small tacho speed controller that the pulley actually passes through whilst moving, this is what gives this machine excellent speed control, especially with this wetclean programme with the gentle rocking movements..

Do any of you know of any other household or commercial machine that uses this type of setup??

Post# 563590 , Reply# 2   12/16/2011 at 16:06 (4,369 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Very nice cycle. Shows the Swiss precision V-Zug delivers.

But Mike, a question about the detergent. A detergent with enzymes on cashmere and bleach and brighteners on black shirts? What were you thinking? lol

Post# 563599 , Reply# 3   12/16/2011 at 17:27 (4,369 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        

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I was thinking "Where the heck is the colour Purple When You need It"...Lol, and then knew it would only be a question of "How Long and By Whom" before its noticed, so that honour goes to you!!!

Actually the shirts & scarf where perfect...which is interesting because I usually bang on about using "Colour" and the Penkridge Bagwash ALWAYS uses green and @ higher temps (and in the keymatic) than any of use would use on darks (black shirts & work trousers) and he doesnt suffer any side effects, and tells us so....!!!

So makes you wonder and what concentrate and for how long one would have to use it for fading etc, mind thay are good shirts no cheap colour drain there!!

I`ll use the Soap Wash next time @ 30d.....LOl

Post# 563645 , Reply# 4   12/17/2011 at 00:34 (4,368 days old) by qualin (Canada)        
Drum on V-Zug

I'm actually kind of surprised that these machines use a plastic outer drum.

I was kind of under the impression that they would have a steel outer drum.

That washing action is very very unique. My wife would love it as she washes clothes that border on requiring dry cleaning.

If they sold them in North America, I'd have one in the kitchen for doing smaller loads with special requirements just like this.

Post# 563662 , Reply# 5   12/17/2011 at 03:29 (4,368 days old) by favorit ()        
Too much water to be **wet**cleaning

hi Mike,
I'm shocked ... that's not a true **wet**cleaning cycle, it's rather a extremly delicate **wash** cycle. This is not just *wet*, it's fully soaked :-))

Wetcleaning cycles use very low float levels (here comes their name) and always use mid speed interim spins, e.g the handwash/woolens cycle in the miele novotronics III.

Be MieleProfessional or Electrolux Laundry Systems or Renzacci or anyone else has this kind of approach to **wetcleaning** (otherwise it wouldn't be just "wet" ..)

To cut a long story short, with such a high water level and low spin speed I would not dare a try with a fine/brand new "dry clean only" garment

Post# 563845 , Reply# 6   12/18/2011 at 03:43 (4,367 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Zug Adora

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Hi Bud, the Adora like a lot of other machines use Carboran or composite drums, plastic is a word I wouldnt call them if you have seen them...the benefits are better insulation when heating water & retaining the heat, you can mold them with baffles & struts which aid strength and stabilty, also they can withstand more stress tolerances and you can seat and fuse the bearing carrier more precisely for optimum utilisation...

I would like to see your large loads if you where to use this for your "smalls"

How many do you wash for and how often do you use your machine, lets talk personal clothing, not the every so often comforter wash??

Cheers, Mike

Post# 563847 , Reply# 7   12/18/2011 at 03:49 (4,367 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
WetWash Clean

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Hi Favorit, I must admit I was surprised at how much water was used, I was expecting the spray mist shower clean system, so would be interested to hear from Zug as to how they came to this programme conclusion, saying that it does work, I`ll do the dry clean suit next time, although the other vid from Aus seemed to prove that this worked just fine as well!!

Post# 563879 , Reply# 8   12/18/2011 at 10:56 (4,367 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
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Hello Mike

this is an interesting machine, but there are some anomalies between models which lead me to say "not the one i would have chosen" though i must congratulate V-Zug on their Honesty :-)

Post# 563910 , Reply# 9   12/18/2011 at 14:29 (4,367 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        

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Oh...De Neuve of you...!!! It might be "as it says" but An Oovahhh it Aint...Lol, Thav got more brass than a Zug Tap av thee laddy!!!

Slightly better build than the darling Aqualtis, but as I say, preaching to the converted here, give us a ceeement mixer or pond and we could get em clean....well sometimes !!! cheers, Mike

Post# 563937 , Reply# 10   12/18/2011 at 17:05 (4,367 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy)        
That drum is so shapy... and the paddles are wow!

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The drum in this machine as shown on these last few pix looks almost sexy :-P

I quite see Favorit's point here though... this cycle is more like 'SoakClean' rather than 'WetClean'. No doubts about it being very effective with the utmost delicacy and gentleness!

I have washed many times 'Dry Clean Only' garments on the 'Handwash' cycle in a budget Hoover with tip top results every time, but there was a rather vital condition which enabled me to do so: the items in questions were only worn once (although after a wedding reception they were a little battered and they had a few drinks spilled on them LOL). The 'Handwash' cycle is rather gentle, and it probably accomplishes even less movements compared to this on the V-Zug (or rather more sporadic ones), and it relies too on high water levels and soaking.

Having said that, on one occasion, I washed a white dry clean-only suit and the trousers had a metal hook n' eye... at the end of the cycle they were almost dripping wet, by the looked clean and all in one piece... however, by the time they dripped dry... the metal bit on the trousers developed a small streak of rust running down the fabric. Then it dawned on me... DRY CLEAN ONLY... or perhaps a spin and a tumble dry would have helped :-S

Anyway... what strikes me the most about that machine is the precision of movements and their human likeness... sometimes I could swear there was a person moving the drum from behind!!

Cya ;-)

Post# 563941 , Reply# 11   12/18/2011 at 17:44 (4,367 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Wet Cleaning of Woolens, Wools, Silks

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Along with other items has been going on since about the 1930's. This I know as have in my collection a book on the subject from the "father" of the process. Only difference is back then they used brushes, soap suds and "whip" dryers or large pony washers.

The idea is to use as minimal water as possible (thus eliminating chances of color runs,shrinkage, etc), and movement (same), along with drying the item as fast as possible. Then as now things such as suits, dresses and other such garments are put on forms that will stretch and shape whilst drying. An old fashioned whip dryer was basically a device that blew strong currents of air upwards. Items were pinned/stretched/shaped and thus held while the air dried them quickly.

Today with modern computer controlled dryers that can sense moisture wools and silks can be bunged into such a machine and taken out when a set remaining moisture level is met. Other than that a good "wetcleaning" man would simply know by feel if the item was dry enough for shaping/finishing.

Remaining soap suds or neutral detergent residue was key back in the day to acting as fabric conditioner thus preventing shrinkage and giving the finish product a nice hand and or gloss. Various sizings were used as well such as flaxseed. Today of course the professional wetcleaner has a variety of rinse agents used in the final cycle to help stablise textiles and prevent any shrinkage/felting during the drying/finishing process.

One thing to remember about wetcleaning; the process must be short and items are never in pure water. Soaking a washable wool blankent for hours in huge amounts of water maybe fine, but a man's suit or woman's dress is another matter. Indeed IIRC many front loading washing machines, at least those offered for sale by the big EU brands have changed their "Wool" cycles over the years to use less water and cycle faster.

Consumer Reports tested wetcleaning several years ago and found if done properly the results were excellent for wool sweaters, silk items (most but not all) and other things that are labelled "dry clean only". Men's suits and other woolens could shrink and or have linings/interfacings that distorted. Much of the latter can be prevented in the design/manufacturer process so that the thing is made to withstand both wet and dry cleaning. The industry is trying to come up with a standard so soon if not already you will see a symbol indicating a garment can be "wetcleaned" either by a professional or at home.

Just so everyone knows even dry cleaning isn't totally dry. A small amount of water is always added to the "wash" cycle otherwise certain soils and or smells simply won't come out.

Post# 563955 , Reply# 12   12/18/2011 at 18:51 (4,366 days old) by vacfanatic ()        
Nice Machine!

Very nice machine indeed. I'd of considered one of these if I was not in USA. Happy with my Mieles, and since they are die-hard, I'll be about 50 before I need a new set LOL.

Really like the drum paddles on this machine you have.


Post# 564088 , Reply# 13   12/19/2011 at 13:54 (4,366 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
"Slightly better build than the darling Aqualtis"

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Well thats not saying much is it ;-) dont speak to harshly about the Aqualtis yerr know how sensitive and delicate it is.......shhhhhhhhhh

Post# 564165 , Reply# 14   12/19/2011 at 21:19 (4,365 days old) by magic_clean (Florida)        
Hi there

Mike. You stated and inquired:

"the pulley (non belt part) had cut outs all around the pulley, to the rhs quarterpast you will see a small tacho speed controller that the pulley actually passes through whilst moving"

"Do any of you know of any other household or commercial machine that uses this type of setup??"

The latest Whirlpool top load washer employs a very similar pulley & optic-sensor arrangement to monitor basket spin speed, motion and lid lock.

all the best....L.P.

Post# 564250 , Reply# 15   12/20/2011 at 09:05 (4,365 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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F&P's topload dryer uses a ring of dimples embossed on left side of the drum and read by an optical sensor to monitor / control drum speed and positioning.

Post# 564408 , Reply# 16   12/20/2011 at 22:43 (4,364 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

I'd love to get my hands on one of these machines, but the cost to put in the power to run it would be too expensive.

Sometimes I wonder what it would take to build an entire house which could run off of UK-Style 230 volt 50 hz power with the fused and switched outlets..

Post# 564493 , Reply# 17   12/21/2011 at 11:44 (4,364 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        

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Why Michael.....that cycle is gentle enough to bathe a baby, except for the spin. There is a commercial for a machine over here--I think it's a Kenmore--whose tub has five moves, all witnessed by a very interested Dalamation doggie, and one of the moves is like your V-zug.


Speaking of babies, the lull of the waterfall is soothing enough to put one to sleep. It was like a gentle Spring rain tapping the window.


Odd frugal thought: you're in the middle of a window wash, and fresh out of paper towels, hey, load the dirites into the V-zug. YAY. ;-D


Had a sweet time viewing, thanks for your usual artistry, and Merry Christmas, Mikey.



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