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Post# 566231   1/1/2012 at 07:58 (4,497 days old) by aeg03 (London, UK)        

Hi All,

Just purchased this machine on Thursday for around £280 from Currys, we decided not to spend too much this time due to Christmas. The Indesit IWD5123 is now in the garage & awaiting sale due to the poor rinsing and causing members of the family with sensitive skin to itch and because it hasn't got extra rinse function. We also have the old AEG available for sale but it keeps freezing during the cycle so hopefully someone handy may want to buy it and try and fix the issue as mechanically its fine.

I really do like the Zanussi, it has 1600rpm spin whch is very efficient, it fills from the top of the door cascading onto the load to saturate the load throughly (though the Indesit was very good too). The machine spins in a different way to previous models which seems to allow for better balancing. The machine does 4 rinses as standard which have so far done a good job, there is an option for Extra Rinse as well. The machine is a little on the loud side and the cycle times are a bit longer than Indesit but overall we are very happy with it & the machine is very stable, it doesn't shake at all and I have not had to place any cushions on the side to stop vibration. The filter is completely different as you will see from the pic.





Post# 566232 , Reply# 1   1/1/2012 at 07:59 (4,497 days old) by aeg03 (London, UK)        

Options

Post# 566233 , Reply# 2   1/1/2012 at 08:03 (4,497 days old) by aeg03 (London, UK)        

Underside, main motor and pump. The pump is mounted on the outer tub.

Post# 566234 , Reply# 3   1/1/2012 at 08:04 (4,497 days old) by aeg03 (London, UK)        

Drum

Post# 566236 , Reply# 4   1/1/2012 at 08:06 (4,497 days old) by aeg03 (London, UK)        

In drum filter open

Post# 566237 , Reply# 5   1/1/2012 at 08:08 (4,497 days old) by aeg03 (London, UK)        

60 degree Cotton cycle time - spends equal amount of time on washing and rinsing.

Post# 566249 , Reply# 6   1/1/2012 at 09:38 (4,497 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)        

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Nice machine, I belive the super quick washes are good on these machines.

Post# 566253 , Reply# 7   1/1/2012 at 10:17 (4,497 days old) by aeg03 (London, UK)        

Yeah Paulc, I believe that they are quite through on Super Quick, I think its about an hour for the quick wash, not sure. Not tried it yet. I Like this machine and its quite versatile. The Indesit, I never liked from day one with its vibration issue and poor rinses but it is a good machine in its own right and I hope I can find a good home for it soon :-)

Link to cotton filling video


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Post# 566324 , Reply# 8   1/1/2012 at 17:13 (4,497 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        
Pretty weird filter!

I was about to post, "There's no filter access cover on the front of the machine!".

The new arrangement allows a bit of access for things that manage to get between the drum and tub. But I hope that Zanussi have made it robust enough that it doesn't work itself open during washing action.


Post# 566325 , Reply# 9   1/1/2012 at 17:37 (4,497 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Nice machine! I do love the front fill.

The superquick programme is very good. You get 2 deep rinses and you can press extra rinse too.

It's a little noisier than my 2008 Zanussi essential ZWF12070G1.

I still find the filter in the drum the weirdest thing!! funky too. As has been said hope it is sturdy enough not to come out that could cause a world of hurt!

Darren


Post# 566368 , Reply# 10   1/1/2012 at 23:07 (4,496 days old) by grando ()        

What is the make of the motor?
Sole? Haier?


Post# 566379 , Reply# 11   1/2/2012 at 00:14 (4,496 days old) by splittub (Europe)        

Does it have a split or a welded tub?

Post# 566432 , Reply# 12   1/2/2012 at 08:54 (4,496 days old) by aeg03 (London, UK)        

I agree that the filter is completely different. It makes me think of the dishwasher filter when its removed. The filter paddle appears to be very solid and there is no movement in the lid when its closed, all the paddles are very solid. I can imagine the only issue that could occur is if one wasn't to close the paddle cover and then thats when something could fall into the tub and cause damage but this is unlikely as the mechanism has a spring-loaded action so it slams shut when its released.

The washer motor says: Nidec Sole Motor Corporation S.r.l. Some info: It was founded in the 70s as a Zanussi motors production centre in Comina area. 2010 it became Nidec Sole Motor Corporation, a member of Nidec Corporation. Not sure if the motor was made in Italy itself, the packaging for the machine just says Made In EU, so that might be Spain.

I think the machine has a welded tub, couldn't see anything that suggests its a split tub as it was a bit difficult to see all from below.


Post# 566486 , Reply# 13   1/2/2012 at 13:12 (4,496 days old) by aladude ()        
That's a cycle I haven't seen before...

"And the number of the shirts shall be 5, no more, no less. Thou shalt not wash 4 shirts, neither shall thou wash 6. 7 is right out."

Post# 566604 , Reply# 14   1/3/2012 at 03:02 (4,495 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy)        
Nice Zanussi but silly speed spin selection...

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I believe I've already congratulated you for your new washer... you're the 1 with the AEG and the Indesit aren't you?

Nice to see that Zanussi changed the design of their paddles... and I really love that filter system accessible from inside the machine... less mess outside to clean it! However, let's hope you never gonna have a clogged filter with a full load of clothes in the washer!

As usual Zanussi disappoints me in the way they organise their options... e.g. spin speed: unless there's is an ulterior way to select a different spin speed between 900 and 1600rpm which is not evident to me... it seems a bit daft to build a 1600rpm machine which lets you select only 2 slower spins... less than half the speed and only 200rpm apart between them! They could have balance things up a little more... and possibly included another spin option... even something like 800 -> 1200 -> 1600 would have made more sense!

The lack of interim temperatures like 50 or 70 degrees would be enough to put me off with a vengeance, but it seems to be a frequent occurrence nowadays with most manufacturers... so I'm starting to come to terms with that. The rest of the control panel seems fairly intuitive. A nice machine overall.

Bye now ;-)


Post# 566705 , Reply# 15   1/3/2012 at 16:08 (4,495 days old) by FL1012 ()        
Like It :-)

Good to see they've improved the filling function by adding the Hoover New/Soft Wave style 'front fill'. Combined with the fact the machine appears to tumble as it fills aswell means the load is much better saturated first time.

It always annoys me (and i know others) how the last lot of Zanussi Essential machines static filled from the base of the tub. They would then tumble, the top of the load would absorb the water & then the machine would tumble for several minutes without adding more water, so it was essentially washing with air!

The motor seems a little more 'grumbly' than our 2007 Essential ZWF14170W but hopefully that doesn't translate into problems later on. I just hope the new filter/paddles & drum arrangement prove as durable as the previous ones.

As with Haxifan, i dislike the massive gaps in spin speed selection as i would personally select a lower spin like 1200 during the summer to save the bearings, but overall i'd be quite encouraged to go with a Flexi-Dose instead of the Jetsystem because of the better load-saturation methods introduced on these newer machines compared to our older equivilent.

Keep us posted & good luck on the sale of the Indesit & AEG.

Liam


Post# 566923 , Reply# 16   1/4/2012 at 13:04 (4,494 days old) by aeg03 (London, UK)        

Thanks for the feedback :-) I too agree with Haxisfan and FL1012 on the spin selection, it would have been good if I could have selected 1000rpm for example but I'll be honest on the AEG I only ever selected 900 or 1000 when washing delicates so it should be fine here. The filter is indeed a strange design, if there is a blockage, I guess the only option I have is to pull the machine out and discharge it via the outlet pipe, but I hope that I never have to do that. This is the first machine I have ever seen that has a pump connected to the outer tub itself.

The load does get a good soaking and the 4 rinses do a good job on getting every bit of detergent off. This machine appears to be very similar to the Rex Electrolux RWP 107109W which I have posted a link to, not sure when that model was produced.


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Post# 566924 , Reply# 17   1/4/2012 at 13:05 (4,494 days old) by aeg03 (London, UK)        

User showing the internal filter

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Post# 566933 , Reply# 18   1/4/2012 at 13:41 (4,494 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        

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Vry nice, Must admit been noseying at these for a while with potential to have one if i need as a modern daily machine but think i have talked myself out of it for now.

Think Currys have reduced the price of them to £220 in the January sales too which is a fair consideration as a pro to maybe having one. I dunno. :)


Post# 566965 , Reply# 19   1/4/2012 at 17:22 (4,494 days old) by aeg03 (London, UK)        

That's a good buy if U can get the machine cheaper in the January sales.

Comet had a promotion on the 1200rpm version, that one was £219 last week but I decided to go into Currys and get the 1600rpm version & took it home in the boot of the car. Luckily it fitted just nicely in the back. ;)


Post# 566975 , Reply# 20   1/4/2012 at 17:54 (4,494 days old) by FL1012 ()        
Good Prices....

The prices of the Zanussis are quite amazing. I worry that it's because they're gonna fall apart after 18 months, but then Hoover/Candy & some Hotpoint & Whirlpool machines do that and they can be a fair bit more expensive than Zanussi so i guess Zanussi still represent good value.

Tbh for the money they seem hard to beat, especially if you can pick one up with a 2 year warranty.



Post# 567144 , Reply# 21   1/5/2012 at 15:36 (4,493 days old) by aeg03 (London, UK)        

FL1012 I agree. I'm sure the machines will be fine.

I did do a load this evening which consists of 2 x bedding set for single bed and a couple of towels and a few items, the machine struggled to balance the load and took ages and ages, I had to stop it a couple of times to manually balance the load, even if it was slightly unbalanced, the machine would stop and rebalance on and on. Do you think that this is because the machine spins at 1600RPM and needs to be balaned or is it because Electrolux know its a cheaper build so they have to take extra precautions as I remember when older Zanussi's would spin unbalanced and the drum would shake about but the machine would be fine. Just curious as to what you think. Thanks


Post# 567167 , Reply# 22   1/5/2012 at 19:01 (4,493 days old) by FL1012 ()        
Type of load?

Might just be the load type (thin bedding with the odd heavy towel) fooling the sensors.

Zanussis havn't done much balancing in the past but maybe that's why the bearings on the newer ones havn't lasted. Keep an eye on it but perhaps it's just the new spin procedure that's incorporated more thorough balancing to protect the machine :-/

Liam


Post# 573483 , Reply# 23   2/4/2012 at 04:25 (4,463 days old) by splittub (Europe)        

Are there any advantages to having the pump mounted on the outer tub and having the filter in the tub accessible from the inner drum (apart from making it possible to retrieve small objects from the bottom of the outer tub, obviously, as Rolls_rapide pointed out), or is this just yet another cost-cutting exercise from the Electrolux group?

Post# 573506 , Reply# 24   2/4/2012 at 09:56 (4,463 days old) by aeg03 (London, UK)        

My view is that its easier to clean in case it gets blocked up, however the only way to empy the machine manually is to get the outlet pipe out and let it drain.

It most probably a cost saving design but does result in the machine having no internal pipe from the tub to pump to get blocked up by an item (which doesn't really happen anyway).


Post# 573534 , Reply# 25   2/4/2012 at 12:58 (4,463 days old) by FL1012 ()        
Easy write-off

Thinking about it i'd imagine it'd make replacing something like the bearings (and possibly pump) even more expensive now everything is one-piece. I bet the cost of a replacement tub with bearings and pump included could be eye-watering.

It can't offer anything massively advantageous to the user (other than easy access from filter to the sump) otherwise they'd surely offer it on the more expensive models, which still appear to have the old setup, at least as far as the filter location is concerned.

Liam


Post# 573549 , Reply# 26   2/4/2012 at 15:24 (4,463 days old) by nrones ()        
It is good for water actually

The one more advantage is that there is no that fat pipe connecting the tub and pump (which fills with water with every fill in machine). So you don't have that "waste" of water that always goes in that pipe, without much use.. Considering that machine takes water in at least 3 times, I think it can make at least 2l of water saved per wash.

But there are some things I dislike, and it is that I really don't like anything opening in the drum (paddles, opening drums on H-Axis top load etc...), and the fact that there are 2 small, and 1 big paddle, so they're not symetrical. But I gues that's probobly just my "thing" xD

Dex


Post# 573630 , Reply# 27   2/5/2012 at 01:07 (4,462 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
Actually

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Aquacycle style (or non Jet) Zanussi machines have a ball/valve arrangement to prevent detergent loss in the sump and pump, so that is a moot point really...


Post# 573643 , Reply# 28   2/5/2012 at 04:19 (4,462 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Congratulations AEG03 on your new Zanussi, I do like the sleeker taller look, with the sump outlet not being visible....my sisters got the washer dryer version and loves it...I would love Zanussi to go back to the larger induction motors, with every model release there motors seem to go louder and schreechier in sound...

I suppose it costs less to produce one moulded drum and pump unit than seperates with large manufacturing numbers, I looked at these the other day and did wonder whatever they where thinking, if you dont push that filter in sump fully home or by whatever reason it comes loose then imagine what damage it would do to the tub (we see what the effects of simple bra wires can do) also the snap shut plastic connector cover engages into metal pressure clips which is good, BUT look at those three flimsey plastic retainers at the back that holds it in place, with the ammount of turbulent force that say washing 7kg of towels would have bashing against it I do hope its robust enough to withstand the forces...

So get washing and let us know how you like it, Cheers, Mike



Post# 573645 , Reply# 29   2/5/2012 at 04:56 (4,462 days old) by nrones ()        
water

ronhic

I wasn't talking about the detergent saving, but water saving with pump directly on the drum. Ball system works with a ball in that big fat pipe, that gets up with water filling and when the pipe is full of water (that first one filling from prewash fill) it simply shuts the hole so detergent can't go out (link-video). So that means that machine is filling that big fat pipe with water anyway, unlike when it doesn't exist :)


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Post# 573650 , Reply# 30   2/5/2012 at 05:37 (4,462 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        

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Good point, but as we all know, washing machines always retain some water in their pump/sump so the savings are very minimal.



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