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Thread Number: 38259
Drawer Dishwashers disappearing from stores |
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| Post# 568026 1/9/2012 at 07:17 (4,483 days old) by verizonbear (Glen Burnie ) | ||
Not sure if anyone else has noticed this, Sears, Lowes. and other stores no longer have drawer dishwasher as part of their typical merchandise offerings in store. I went to the Sears outlet in Baltimore yesterday, tons of drawer dishwashers returns and new stock, all 35%. It was a cool concept, I think the reliability problems with the F&P line did the drawer concept in
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Post# 568030 , Reply# 1 1/9/2012 at 07:27 (4,483 days old) by Frigilux  (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Drawer-style dishwashers have never appealed to me, as I tend to wash loads of huge pots, pans, stock pots, and hotel-chafer sized serving pans. I prefer having a full-sized machine with a half-load option, like my LG.
Having said that, there are people in the AW family who like their dw drawers, and have had no reliability issues (Hi, Glenn!). As with HE impeller-based top-loading washing machines, they're just not for me. | ||
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Post# 568032 , Reply# 2 1/9/2012 at 07:46 (4,483 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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DRAWER DWs They are just too troublesome and none of them worked very well, add to that they are expensive to build, I call it a high end appliance toy for people with too much money.
That said we have a 6 year old FP dual drawer SS fronted one sitting at our shop that works perfectly that we are going to drop off at a builder restore next time we go. The original owner got sick and tired of babying it and dirty dishes and had us replace it with one of the last WP built KM UltraClean standard tub DWs. Then my partner Jason took it home and tried it for two mounts [ to see if they were really that bad, it was ] before he put his WP Power Clean Standard tub machine back.
They are better than having no DW, but they are just not serious machines. If you want this one you can probably get it fairly cheaply from the resale charity, probably around $100.00. | ||
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Post# 568053 , Reply# 5 1/9/2012 at 10:42 (4,483 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 I notice this situation last night when investigating for a response elsewhere. Maytag & Kenmore no longer have drawer units on their web sites. KitchenAid does but maybe their web designer is behind on his/her work. F&P introduced a 36" wide single-drawer unit a year or so ago, and is coming out now with the next-generation release of the standard-width single- and double-drawer models. Their units have been on the market since 1997, so the machines apparently are good and popular enough to remain a viable, selling product for 14+ years. John has repeatedly stated that DishDrawers are horrible for washing results. I've cited several examples to him to the contrary in my experience. I also offer these pics, which are not mine. A woman I do not know posted them in a discussion on another board I follow. 
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Post# 568061 , Reply# 6 1/9/2012 at 11:24 (4,483 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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DISH DRAWER PERFORMACE | ||
| Post# 568063 , Reply# 7 1/9/2012 at 11:37 (4,483 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth) | ||
what a joke! | ||
| Post# 568065 , Reply# 8 1/9/2012 at 11:44 (4,483 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth) | ||
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I can see why they are not catching on if that is the case. I thought they were wasteful washing an average load from most FL DW's using nearly twice the water and double detergent.
This frying pan and roasting tin i have in my dw i reckon must be around the same size as those baking dishes, the racks aint really well thought out in the F&P are they to make better use of stacking. Disturbing for sure. Look at how much extra room you get in here with racks designed by realistic people. 
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Post# 568116 , Reply# 11 1/9/2012 at 19:10 (4,483 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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DISH DRAWERS WP bought and sold the F&P DWs for the KA brand name before they bought MT. MT had been working on thier own DWs when WP bought out MT so they introduced a WP built models under the KM and KA names. The WP built machines are so much better built and far more reliable than the F&P models, but unfortunately clean EVEN WORSE than the F&P machines do. When ever we get a service call on the older F&P built KAs all three of us technicians try to get out of working on the piece of chap.
I have many customers that like thier DDs and I am sure that F&P will continue to build them, but I think the brief love affare of that US consumers had with them is about over. To me it is like comparing a small Haier washer with a real full sized machine, yes you can get clean clothes out of the portable Haier washer, but the DDs are not serious machines for big families or people like me that like to cook in quantity. | ||
| Post# 568669 , Reply# 17 1/12/2012 at 19:52 (4,480 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
my toughs on drawer dishewashers
Well here are my toughts on why drwaer dishwashers might be disepiring from us and maybe canadien stores maybe the main reasons that drawer dishwashers are disepring from the market is maybe the main reason is that they where not selling well as most consumers prefer a regular dishwasher or maybe they are still avalable in the market but as special orders and are avalable in funiture stores but they are not out of the market i think that kitchen aid now makes drawer dishwashers and so do jenn air so they must be avalable but it depents on the brand you went.
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Post# 568702 , Reply# 18 1/13/2012 at 03:08 (4,480 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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DishDraws
They are a niche product and not for everyone, but having used them myself found them like any appliance - you need to use them and get to know how they operate, I found them easy to load / unload and v quiet in operation, suitable number of programmes and results where great...
Have sold 2 batch lots to a developer where they where used in urban Splash renovation developments, apartment loft style, one batch was the single integrated drawer where they where used under a combination micro oven in island units making use of the micro space...the other was the bow fronted ss versions for new builds - like whats been said it appears you either love them or hate them, - like any new product you get to know how to load them with your own stuff, we saw the new 90cm models at Grand Designs with Jon, Jack & Al last year, nice feature but I would go for the two stacked as i would use the heavy soil and glasses split option... Heres the new Single Tall Option 
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Post# 568703 , Reply# 19 1/13/2012 at 03:11 (4,480 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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90cm Dishdrawer | ||
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Post# 568705 , Reply# 20 1/13/2012 at 03:28 (4,480 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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Rather like Marmite....:)
You love them or hate them. I love mine and will keep them running as long as possible I have got used to them and how they work and to me they are the best DW I have ever had including commercial.
Like most appliances they need a little tlc if you don't bother they tend to go wrong all you need is a little patience and understanding. In my eyes they are the Mutts Nuts! I have tried to get another set for a neighbour and every one has gone way over the £100 on ebay so someone wants them..:) They were not working either I was hoping to get one set to repair as I have a fair few spares. Austin | ||
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Post# 569569 , Reply# 21 1/16/2012 at 19:20 (4,476 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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90 CM DISH-DRAWER | ||
| Post# 569584 , Reply# 22 1/16/2012 at 20:52 (4,476 days old) by verizonbear (Glen Burnie ) | ||
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90 CM in USA market ) | ||
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Post# 569631 , Reply# 23 1/17/2012 at 04:44 (4,476 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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"What is the point of going to a 90CM width if it can ON
Well as we said its a niche product , not for everyone, it would be an integrated installation in a modular kitchen of which 90cm wide units are the norm......you can stack cups underneath on this model and it will take 5 on top each side....
BUT pray tell, apart from partys and saving the load for weeks, how many days would one wash 30 coffee cups daily regularly?? 
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Post# 569646 , Reply# 24 1/17/2012 at 07:46 (4,475 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney) |
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"how many days would one wash 30 coffee cups daily regul I've managed 10 or perhaps 12 in a highly strung and stressful day. My bad habit is to not use the same cup twice. Use it once, in the dw it goes, but thirty cups would be a tough call even for me. | ||
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Post# 569649 , Reply# 25 1/17/2012 at 08:03 (4,475 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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DISH-DRAWERS DWs Around here I wash almost 30 cups and glasses in every load. Jason had the double F&P 23 1/2" wide unit in his home for a few months and he said that he couldn't put as much in BOTH drawers as the standard tub WP Power-Clean would hold [ which went back in and the F&P will be donated ]. But I find this problem with all European sized DWs as they lose about three" in front to back depth and one" in width compared to US sized units. That works out to 60-70 square inches of lost rack space, I have always wished any DW that I had was bigger not smaller.
Yes Phil I do remember the poor ill fated Daycor 30" DWs ,when they were pulling them out of customers homes we stripper and scraped a lot of them. [ I have boxes of spare parts if anyone still has one ] LOL. | ||
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Post# 569996 , Reply# 26 1/19/2012 at 18:21 (4,473 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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mine came with the new house.......I actually LOVE it.....took some getting used to....but does a fantastic job.......I have the double drawers
thinking of remodeling the kitchen, in which I wanted 2, one on each side of the sink.....the designer offered a full size unit on one side and the drawers on the other..the best of both worlds..... something you guys may not think about......since my partner was injured from a car hitting him, he's limited on bending over......this top drawer gets favored, alot!......... and I am also thinking of getting one for my 83 year old mother.....maybe a full size works best for some.....but these units are proving to be a godsend to those with disabilities.... | ||
| Post# 570208 , Reply# 27 1/20/2012 at 17:16 (4,472 days old) by golittlesport (California) | ||
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