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Post# 570662   1/23/2012 at 08:10 (4,475 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        

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While coming home from the store last night, I saw a 90's vintage Whirlpool Washer/Dryer pair sitting at the curb on a pile of snow. Being only 1 mile from my house, I went home and got my car to bring them home.

Unfortunately no pics of them where they stood or in the car, as it was cold and a busy street. Here is when they made it safely home and in the living room before moving down to the basement tonight. I did some light cleanup after taking these pics, so pardon the dirt.





Post# 570663 , Reply# 1   1/23/2012 at 08:12 (4,475 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        

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Washer Pic

Post# 570664 , Reply# 2   1/23/2012 at 08:13 (4,475 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        

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Washer Timer Pic

Post# 570665 , Reply# 3   1/23/2012 at 08:14 (4,475 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        

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Washer Tub Pic

Post# 570666 , Reply# 4   1/23/2012 at 08:14 (4,475 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        

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Dryer Pic

Post# 570667 , Reply# 5   1/23/2012 at 08:15 (4,475 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        

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Dryer Timer Pic

Post# 570668 , Reply# 6   1/23/2012 at 08:16 (4,475 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        

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Dryer Drum Pic

Post# 570669 , Reply# 7   1/23/2012 at 08:22 (4,475 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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How cool is that......hard to find thrown out ones.......your first DirectDrive washer?

I really need to get to your house and run water and drain lines to the other wall for you.........another mini-meet?......

is the dryer gas or electric?.....



Post# 570671 , Reply# 8   1/23/2012 at 08:41 (4,475 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Great Finds!

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Hi Brian,
That is really a great find. Looks like someone wanted to get rid of the set to make room for something new - maybe a renovation.
I hope to chat soon,
Best Of Luck
Peter


Post# 570681 , Reply# 9   1/23/2012 at 09:26 (4,474 days old) by cornutt (Huntsville, AL USA)        

That washer looks like the exact same model I purchased in 1991. The dryer I had was slightly different: it had a wrinkle-guard extension to the PP cycle in the area where this one has the fluff cycle, and it used an exhaust temp sensor rather than the drum-back moisture sensor for the auto cycles.

Post# 570682 , Reply# 10   1/23/2012 at 09:28 (4,474 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        
your first DirectDrive washer?

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Yes it is. I am normally a belt-drive fan, but it was a set, fairly vintage at this point, and looked to be in good condition. I couldn't resist! lol Yea we will have to talk more about plumbing, as there is some hurdles to cross first.

Nice hearing from you Pete, it's definitely been a while since we last chatted.

They are fairly rust free and the feet are loose and adjustable. The washer has an awful smell to it which I can only imagine is the remnants of liquid detergent and probably some mold. Any ideas on cleaning? The only thing I recall is something about filling the washer up with hot water and lots of soap. I don't have any bleach as I was never really a fan of it. Is that required or necessary? I prefer not to use bleach on anything unless completely necessary.


Post# 570683 , Reply# 11   1/23/2012 at 09:36 (4,474 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        
Asterisk on the washer timer dial

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I am curious what the asterisk is in the "OFF" position of the Knits/Gentle cycle, right before the Super Wash cycle? Why would it be positioned where it is on the dial?

Post# 570687 , Reply# 12   1/23/2012 at 09:43 (4,474 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI )        

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Congrats Brian, the stars must have been aligned just right for you to find such a nice set.  Have fun with them.  Direct drive machines deliver some very nice washing results.  What does Matt think about them? 

 

Cool


Post# 570689 , Reply# 13   1/23/2012 at 09:57 (4,474 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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Most times you can get by with hot water and Dawn dish soap....this will remove most grease/slime........bleach will help disinfect and remove most mold, sometimes a bathroom mold killer spray works better

but for these DD machines, most of the scum and mold/mildew issues is found around the splash shield/upper area of the unit, where the water never touches......

probably best to remove the cabinet, pop off the splash shield, and thoroughly clean/scrub this area......also take out the agitator, and clean all the hidden areas too......

you can also replace the agitator cap with a dispenser.....simple change out

that asterisk after the Knit cycle could be a suds return section...if a model would have that option.....set the timer there and pull out to see what happens, you may have to advance an increment at a time to see what happens.....

SuperWash too!....

only thing that bugs me about these Whirlpool machines....is that GentleWash step down to the lower agitation speed......


Post# 570694 , Reply# 14   1/23/2012 at 10:14 (4,474 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        

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Hey Tim, he was actually the one who encouraged me to get them. I saw them on the same side of the road we were driving down, and I did a quick turn-around to get a 2nd glance. Once I realized what they were, I was like "ooh, I these are nice machines." So Matt being in his passive fashion said let's pick them up then. As usual I was shocked, but did not question lol. Both my wagons are shot, so I had to use my 1998 Cadillac Deville of all cars! Turns out the mouth of the trunk is around 36 inches wide and from lip to open trunk lid, was about 34 inches. There was enough dept to slide about half the machine in. We just shoved one machine at a time head first in to the trunk and secured it with 2 bungees to the car and drove each one home slowly but swiftly. Being 11pm, it was little traffic, but enough to made things annoying. The shared driveway we used to get the machines of course had 2 residents who both wanted to leave at the time of us picking up the dryer. It was 2 trips, but being so close to home, it was like 3 minutes each way.

Post# 570699 , Reply# 15   1/23/2012 at 10:19 (4,474 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        

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OK Martin, I will see what I have in my arsenal at home. I was going to fill it up with hot water and let it soak with some additive to help clean it up.

What I really like about the dryer is the infinite tempatures on the dryer. My pieve with my current dryers is the high, low, or air. There was times where I had to line dry stuff because even the low seemed to high. This dryer will fix that big time.

Almost forgot to attach, here is the washer tag.


Post# 570700 , Reply# 16   1/23/2012 at 10:20 (4,474 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        

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And now the dryer tag

Post# 570701 , Reply# 17   1/23/2012 at 10:21 (4,474 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        

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I never understood the step-down from high speed agitation to low speed. Was there a purpose for this?

Does anyone have scanned manuals for these?


Post# 570705 , Reply# 18   1/23/2012 at 10:51 (4,474 days old) by cycla-fabric (New Jersey (Northern))        
Whirlpool Washer Instructions

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Hey Brian - you will like those Whirlpools as they are great machines. I have almost that same washer and my dryer is one model up from your dryer. Mine is gas too. The attached link will get you a copy of the washer instructions my next post will give you the dryer instructions Enjoy

Doug


CLICK HERE TO GO TO cycla-fabric's LINK


Post# 570706 , Reply# 19   1/23/2012 at 10:52 (4,474 days old) by cycla-fabric (New Jersey (Northern))        
Whirlpool Dryer Instructions

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Here is the Whirlpool dryer instruction link

Doug


CLICK HERE TO GO TO cycla-fabric's LINK


Post# 570707 , Reply# 20   1/23/2012 at 10:55 (4,474 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Hey Brian

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Nice score. And better than that... Free.

Your basement must be getting "tight". ???

Maybe I'll be down to NJ soon. Eddie


Post# 570710 , Reply# 21   1/23/2012 at 10:59 (4,474 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
ALMOND DD PAIR

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Congratulations on saving these very capable machines. Brain you now own the most produced automatic washer and dryer models in all of human history. The washer was made the 3rd week of 2000 and the dryer the 5th week of 2000, so they are having their 22nd birthday, Oh how I love 22 year olds  LOL.

 

The asterisk in the long off period is the Suds return position, you had to buy the optional suds-saver attachment to use this feature. However you can set the timer in this position and the machine will dry agitate and if you take the drain hose and put it in a laundry sink full of water it will suck it back into the washer. The Gentle wash speed slow own was a great idea to minimize over washing of the clothes while still allowing the clothes to remain in the wash water for the full wash period.

 

The WP gas dryer is the fastest most durable and economical dryer ever made in the last 30 years. The temperature control is actually not infinite as it has only 36 different positions on the dial LOL.


Post# 570711 , Reply# 22   1/23/2012 at 11:00 (4,474 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        

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Thank you very much for the info Doug!

What made your dryer a one up over mine? Any special features or extra cycles?


Post# 570712 , Reply# 23   1/23/2012 at 11:00 (4,474 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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For the most part GentleWash is based on, first high speed agitation for scrubbing, and then the step down to give the detergent/chemical time to work....you would think it would be the other way around.....Soak and then Scrub....

but yeah....I think these machines were calling you.....mainly the GAS dryer with variable temps.....good thing you have those extra ports...we should add 2 ports to the left as what was done on the right side......and for the window, cut a board to fit, and cut 4 ports for vents......

you need one more gas dryer.....lol

we have a plan......nothing we can't do or handle!......

4inch plastic pipe makes great venting....inexpensive....minimal lint buildup....easy to clean........

I need to get you to my house to see the new setups....for the washers and dryers, plumbing and venting.......


Post# 570715 , Reply# 24   1/23/2012 at 11:09 (4,474 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Nice save Brian!!  These machines are far too nice to wind up in landfill somewhere.   Have fun with them!!


Post# 570718 , Reply# 25   1/23/2012 at 11:11 (4,474 days old) by GadgetGary (Bristol,CT)        
Nice catch Brian and Matt

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Enjoy your new toys!

 


Post# 570722 , Reply# 26   1/23/2012 at 11:34 (4,474 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        

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Thanks for all the kind words everyone! Hey Martin, the window is already covered. I bought a piece of plexi and installed it. Fits very snug and is sealed from moisture. The only thing I need to do now is secure the vents to the window. I may stick with two for now lol. I have to get rid of a few machines, as my space priorities have changed a little bit. We can discuss more on setups, I'm curious to hear your ideas.

The dryer is what set me off to grab the two, so the dryer was the first to be saved. I've been going nuts have only a two temp dryer lol.

The low speed action should have been limited to only the last 2 minutes if anything. The manual claims this system is for better fabric care. Sure it is -cough-. They also say the last few minutes but 6 isn't a few, it's a lot.

Funny enough these are the exact 2 that are in my mother's house. They were bought in 1991 when we bought the house in August and needed machines. The dogs on the agitator went once or twice and the timer knob on the dryer is picky, but otherwise they still work.


Post# 570733 , Reply# 27   1/23/2012 at 13:03 (4,474 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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yes....that 6 minutes is an eternity......and a waste.....I could go with 2 myself for these, but not 6......once you hit that step down, all action/rollover STOPS!.....I used to limit it to only loading half full of clothes---basically your washing on a Gentle cycle.....I think the only fix/modification for these is to install the large base KA agitator...

I can take a few pics of my basement for you......but actually would rather have you guys come down for a visit to play, since most everything is hooked up and running..........bring laundry!......theres 8 washers and 5 dryers, plus 2 TwinTubs, so far!

pick a day......


Post# 570740 , Reply# 28   1/23/2012 at 13:39 (4,474 days old) by cycla-fabric (New Jersey (Northern))        

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Brain - my dryer has the press guard feature on the PP cycle, so when the drying is done it does a brief tumble every 5 minutes, up to 45 minutes after the drying is done.

Doug


Post# 570758 , Reply# 29   1/23/2012 at 15:28 (4,474 days old) by washer-kid ()        

This set looks exactly like mine....awesome....they are workhorses for sure ....mine are from 1987!

Post# 570760 , Reply# 30   1/23/2012 at 15:51 (4,474 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        

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That's right, I remember your thread about them. They are nice machines. Last of the nice ones I feel.

Post# 570789 , Reply# 31   1/23/2012 at 17:56 (4,474 days old) by dnastrau (Lords Valley, PA)        
1990 Whirlpool set

My aunt and uncle had the same 1990 set (I think Combo52 meant 1990) until a few years ago. They performed well and never required any repairs. They were stored in a damp basement and rust eventually killed the washer. They replaced them with a new DD set (2007?)

Post# 570791 , Reply# 32   1/23/2012 at 18:05 (4,474 days old) by imperial70 (MA USA)        
I have that exact dryer model

also in gas. It came with the house I purchased. It's only needed one repair. (The felt around the drum bunched up, belt burnt up of course). It's a great dryer. You'll love it.

Post# 570809 , Reply# 33   1/23/2012 at 20:16 (4,474 days old) by DirectDriveDave ()        

Excellent pick up!

Glad those machines had a sudden change of planned location :)

As for that slowdown in the wash, I usually just set the timer to Heavy all the time in the regular cycle, and I guess why it doesn't bother me too much is that by the point it slows, I'm sure most of the dirt and other things have already been removed by that point.


Post# 570853 , Reply# 34   1/24/2012 at 00:39 (4,474 days old) by garyl ()        
My Whirlpool set

I bought a Whirlpool washer and dryer matching set in 2002 that is probably the same inside as this set. I have not repaired anything on either machine. The only thing I have done is when I moved to a house that did not have gas piped to it, I converted the dryer to propane and I'm running it on 5 gallon tanks. I am hoping the neutral drain parts in the transmission last at least until most of the projects around the house are done. OOPS! I just remembered a repair. I replaced the dogs in the agitator. The top part would not turn when clothes were in it. You got an excellent find. By the way, I have hauled appliances in my '84 Chevy Citation hatch back, including a 30" wide stove.

Post# 570880 , Reply# 35   1/24/2012 at 03:03 (4,474 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)        

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Bo-Caa   Bo-caa  Bo-caa ....

Brian Congrats on the pair DD are the new vintage.

Hope to see them up and running soon.

Nice !

 

 

 

 

Darren k


Post# 570918 , Reply# 36   1/24/2012 at 08:24 (4,474 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        

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Hey Garyl, at least I don't feel so bad now. How the heck you fit that stuff in there I will never know lol.

John - 36 positions is infinite enough to me lol. Why were these the most produced? Popular with consumers?

Hey Martin, if you wouldn't mind, a few pics might tide me over till I come down and see for real.

Darren-Thank you, I hope to get them downstairs tonight after I'm finished arranging, and then give them a good run.


Post# 570926 , Reply# 37   1/24/2012 at 09:46 (4,473 days old) by lebron (Minnesota)        
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Nice looking Whirlpool set. My Grandma had a set very similar to this except that it was a little higher up the line. Can anyone help me identify the model? It had a bunch of push buttons in the middle for the temp selection and it had an "infinite" water level selector. It also had a tan tub


Post# 570928 , Reply# 38   1/24/2012 at 09:49 (4,473 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        

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That almost sounds like my Whirpool Supreme from the 80's. It has 4 rectangular buttons in the middle, and my water level selector is infinite. Does it have a salmon pink color around the timer dial that you recall? Not sure about that tan tub though.

Post# 570932 , Reply# 39   1/24/2012 at 09:59 (4,473 days old) by lebron (Minnesota)        

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Idk maybe the tub was white, I just know it wasnt dark like the speckled one here. About the timer, pretty sure it was just like the design shown.

I used to be fascinated with this washer when I was very little. One of the things that made me wonder the most was how the washer would start spinning after I opened and closed the lid in drain. At the time, I could not figure out why the washer would change its cycle for me : )


Post# 570934 , Reply# 40   1/24/2012 at 10:02 (4,473 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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Jed -

What you're describing sounds like a machine I have that someone at work thought I'd want. I'll try to get you a picture in the next couple days.

The tan tub though....this one's tub is discolored, though I would not call it tan. They started out white. Was your grandmother's home on iron-rich water?

Gordon


Post# 570939 , Reply# 41   1/24/2012 at 10:22 (4,473 days old) by lebron (Minnesota)        
iron-rich water?

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I wouldn't be sure exactly, they machines were used on a farm in South Dakota though. I dont know if that type of water may have changed the color of the tub.

Post# 571087 , Reply# 42   1/24/2012 at 23:36 (4,473 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        
Why the set was dumped...

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I have two theories. I ran the washer tonight and it leaks a decent amount and the agitator dogs are not functioning. Perhaps the leaking was from sitting outside in freezing weather and maybe the agitator dogs might be backwards, but anything is a possibility I guess.

If you hold the corkscrew of the agitator, it sort of rocks a little. If you leave it be, it free spins. Is it possible the dogs are backwards? I could not figure out how to get the agitator off. If I pull on the skirt, I manage to lift the whole basket.


Post# 571113 , Reply# 43   1/25/2012 at 01:12 (4,473 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Wow, what a great find Brian!

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Perhaps you can get that hunky neighbor to help you lower them to the basement. :) Congratulations!


Post# 571170 , Reply# 44   1/25/2012 at 10:32 (4,472 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
AGITATOR DRIVE DOGS ON DD WASHERS

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Brain funny that you should say they might be in backwards, while they can not be installed backwards they can be turned upside down and that will actually make them work again for a while. But basically they are simply worn out and should be replaced.

 

As to why these machines were replaced who knows for sure, but 22 years in these affluent times is a long time for many people to keep a washer and dryer. In many countries such as Japan they often replace major appliances in just a few years. Americans are among the most practicable people in the world when it comes to the length of time that we keep cars and major appliances.


Post# 571173 , Reply# 45   1/25/2012 at 11:00 (4,472 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        

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Thanks John, I will definitely try that and see what becomes of the corkscrew. Is there a special way to get the agitator off, or is it just stuck on really good. I cannot see how to change the agitator dogs easily. Are there service manuals on these?

Post# 571179 , Reply# 46   1/25/2012 at 11:11 (4,472 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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Brian -

About the best way I know to tell you how to fix the dogs is to refer you to a Youtube video.

A novice put a DIY video out there several years ago, and gets raves. Here is a link:



CLICK HERE TO GO TO kenmoreguy64's LINK


Post# 571189 , Reply# 47   1/25/2012 at 12:47 (4,472 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        
Seems easy enough...

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I just bough the FSP 285811 kit from online for $6.80. It comes with the cam, dogs, cam cover, and some rubber seal. When I get those in, hopefully before the weekend, I can get them in the washer. In the meanwhile, I guess I will try and find where that leak is coming from and get the dryer hooked up tonight.

I have videos I will be uploading shortly so you can see what I am talking about and let me know if there is any unusual infomartion.

Thank you for the video link Gordon, for some reason I didn't even think YouTube. Duh on my part I guess lol.


Post# 571256 , Reply# 48   1/25/2012 at 18:09 (4,472 days old) by mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham))        

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Good catch, Brian! I wonder if the wash action is going to be more shredding than my KitchenAids!

Coincidentally, if you are tired of the Tag gas dryer, I have a home for it - its nearly a match to the one Martin gave me for Jim's mom.


Post# 571262 , Reply# 49   1/25/2012 at 19:14 (4,472 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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without hi-jacking the thread....this is for Brian....as my basement is in the finishing stages.....the plumbing is what I want you to focus on......I have the Hot/Cold water lines running parallel across the walls, and just tap into them with "T"'s for each station........the drain is only 1 1/2 inch, but I can spin all the machines at one time, and have a small amount backup into the laundry tub, as overflo protection.....not that they ever would all run at the same time...but good to know I could...I will start a new thread of both rooms....

Post# 571290 , Reply# 50   1/25/2012 at 20:45 (4,472 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        
More findings...

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The leak from the washer is from the water pump. It must have been for a while because there is rust scars. It looks like the rust made it to the motor but it appears ok. The agitator dogs are completely worn, so when that kit comes, I will get the new ones in.

The dryer was making a weird thumping sound and did not feel quite right. Turns out the felt tore and bunched up a little. I took the whole machine apart and found a lot of lint and dog hair? inside. Pics to follow soon.

Overall, after the washer gets its new pump and agitator kit, and the dryer gets a new felt seal, and probably a new belt would be a good call, they should both be good as new.


Eric - I was thinking that, because as much as I would love 3 dryers, I just do not have the space or proper hookups to do 3. Plus I think Matt would not like it so much if I forked over 3 dryer loads at once. If someone needs it, unlike me who has others, than I would prefer they have it.


Post# 571312 , Reply# 51   1/25/2012 at 21:40 (4,472 days old) by DirectDriveDave ()        
Hose Clamps

Also make sure the spring clamps on the pump hoses are still nice and tight.




Post# 571347 , Reply# 52   1/25/2012 at 22:59 (4,472 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
1990 WP WASHER AND DRYER PROGRESS

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Brain glad you figured out the washers leak, the pump is usually the only place that a DD washer leaks as it was a pretty well designed machine.

 

Dave the hose clamps on the water pump hoses are the spring type and is no way to tighten them as they are self tightening. I have never seen a leak on the hose connections on these machines.

 

Brain if you are going to change the belt on the dryer be sure you get the wider 5 rib belt as it is much stronger and will not slip and squeal when the dryer is started with a heavy wet load. The part # of the heavier belt is 349533, WP does not sell it any longer but it is widely available from after market suppliers, it is the only belt we use when servicing these 29" dryers.


Post# 571383 , Reply# 53   1/26/2012 at 04:54 (4,472 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

I have the similar electronic set. They are very reliable. The dryer has never had a repair, ever! And they dry your clothes without baking them. I purchased the set new in Feb of 1993. The washer agitator dogs are VERY easy to replace. It took me 15 minutes to do the job.

The only thing about the dryer is that WP recommends in the owners manual that every three years you pop the cover on the dryer and remove all the lint. They do collect lint! But after you clean the dryer they dry so fast.

If these machines were built in 2000, wouldn't they only be 12 years old? They are just now being broken in. And since so many were made, I think parts will be easy to find for them for the next 30 years or so.


Post# 571398 , Reply# 54   1/26/2012 at 07:19 (4,472 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
1990 WP DD WASHER AND DRYER PAIR

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Sorry about my earlier mistake on the age of these machines, as others correctly pointed out they are 1990 not 2000, I guess that I was thinking about [ design 2000 ] which is what WP called the DD washer when it was introduced. Does anyone know what Sears called the DD Kenmore versions?, I am sure Gordon does LOL.


Post# 571412 , Reply# 55   1/26/2012 at 08:34 (4,472 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        
Hey John & Martin...

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John - Thanks again for the info. If the wide-belts are better, why did they go to those skinny belts? It definitely looks like the pulley was designed for the wider one in the first place. A skinny one was on it when I took it apart. I wound up putting a skinny one on my 80's Kenmore. So far so good, and I know I've put some heavy loads in there before.

What's the the need for the drum bearing kit FSP 279441 when you have the felt seal FSP 3406129? I always assumed the felt was rubbing on the lip of the cabinet.

On the washer, would my cabinet come off similar to what I saw on an online video where the console is titled back and there is these 2 clips to slip off underneath? I tilted the machine back last night, and saw the pump in the front, but it didn't look to easily accessible.

Martin - Nice Speed Queens! I love that avocado one.


Post# 571453 , Reply# 56   1/26/2012 at 12:35 (4,471 days old) by DirectDriveDave ()        
Belt Change & Cabinet Removal

My only guess that those skinny belts were made was that they were cheaper to make.


As for removing your cabinet, all DDs are done exactly that way. What's nice about the older machines (including yours) is that the screws are on the front of the control panel, so it makes the job a little easier.


@combo52: yeah, that's what I had meant about the hose clamps. But that's my fault though, several times I keep forgetting to explain what I mean, heh.


Post# 571667 , Reply# 57   1/26/2012 at 23:28 (4,471 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        

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Appreciate the info Dave, you must come out and see my collection one day. All parts are on order and should be here by next Tuesday or earlier.

Post# 571679 , Reply# 58   1/27/2012 at 00:26 (4,471 days old) by DirectDriveDave ()        

Excellent! would be great to hear or possibly see how the progress goes!




Heh, it may be a while before I can start visiting places for collections, but anything can happen in the future ;)


Post# 572604 , Reply# 59   1/31/2012 at 08:19 (4,467 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        
More pics...

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I took the washer out to swap the pump and here is what I found. Top plastic ring already taken off by the way. Separate pics of it not taken yet.



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Post# 572605 , Reply# 60   1/31/2012 at 08:20 (4,467 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        

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And they were washing their clothes in this. Yuck!

Post# 572613 , Reply# 61   1/31/2012 at 08:31 (4,467 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        

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So I take the old pump off. Here is how bad it is.

Post# 572615 , Reply# 62   1/31/2012 at 08:32 (4,467 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        

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Close-up of old pump shaft.

Post# 572616 , Reply# 63   1/31/2012 at 08:32 (4,467 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        

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The motor shaft did not fair so well either.

Post# 572617 , Reply# 64   1/31/2012 at 08:33 (4,467 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        

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Another angle. Oddly enough still enough to grab onto for the new pump.

Post# 572619 , Reply# 65   1/31/2012 at 08:34 (4,467 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        

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Here is the new pump already to go.

Post# 572622 , Reply# 66   1/31/2012 at 08:38 (4,467 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        

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But there is a problem. Can you spot it?

Post# 572624 , Reply# 67   1/31/2012 at 08:41 (4,467 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        

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Turns out that even though the bag said 3363394, the pump contained inside was 3352293! The keyhole for the motor shaft to go into is too small so it won't fit on. The other washer parts are coming today, but now I will not be able to finish the machine off tonight like I wanted.

Post# 572627 , Reply# 68   1/31/2012 at 08:49 (4,467 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        

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I had the dryer apart too to replace the felt on both sides of the drum as well as putting on a new plastic bearing on the front due to half of it missing. Here is what I was greeted with.

There was a slight cleanup before taking this pic. This household must have had pets or something to have all this hair in here and the washer.


Post# 572634 , Reply# 69   1/31/2012 at 09:17 (4,466 days old) by DirectDriveDave ()        
Pump problem

I think the reason the pump isn't fitting is because of all that corrosion on the shaft. I recently replaced the pump on our washer, and it looked exactly like yours, it fit on perfectly.

Post# 572647 , Reply# 70   1/31/2012 at 10:33 (4,466 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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Brian -

Often the part number as printed on a FSP Whirlpool part is not that of the finished item but the part number for the individual parts in the assembly or the mold/casting number, etc.

To my knowledge there are only two direct drive pumps, and they don't differ in the drive hub. One has nearly equal diameter ports, the other has one much larger diameter than the other.

I agree with Dave, you may need to work on the rusted hub shaft on the motor, or find a replacement.

I hate that this has turned into such a pain, but that sometimes happens in washer restorations. I tend to really appreciate a machine that doesn't offer these "little surprises".

Gordon


Post# 572651 , Reply# 71   1/31/2012 at 11:01 (4,466 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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I was gonna say...I thought all pumps were of the same size shaft.....its the ports that have changed depending on model.......


I have a Kenmore(roughly 2000) version....for parts if you need anything.....I wonder if the motor would fit........or maybe change out the whole chassis....
the only thing wrong with mine is someone tried to use a pry bar to pop the top, and then duct taped it back together

Let me know where I can help.....


on a side note.....maybe a painting party.....we could plumb, paint, a hang shelves.....we would have you done in no time......just a thought!..and Brian thinks I am joking!....


Post# 572691 , Reply# 72   1/31/2012 at 14:20 (4,466 days old) by cycla-fabric (New Jersey (Northern))        
Have a Dremel Tool

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Brian, if you had a dremel tool you could use the sandpaper roll on it to see if it would clean up that driveshaft. It may work with a supply of sandpaper rolls.

Doug


Post# 572709 , Reply# 73   1/31/2012 at 15:44 (4,466 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        
A dremel for the motor shaft...

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I actually have two, so I will definitely try that out. So I guess part of the pump keyhole rusted to the shaft making it larger than it should. I will look into that and see what happens.

Post# 572826 , Reply# 74   2/1/2012 at 07:58 (4,466 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        
More progress on washer...

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I did what was suggested to me by a couple of members, and when I looked closer at the motor shaft, realized that part of the old pump remained on the shaft making it look larger. I chipped off the big pieces and then sanded with a dremmel till it resembled a keyhole. The pump then slid on easily. Hooked the hoses back to it, fixed the agitator so the auger would work again, and fired her up. Everything works and no leaks!

Only problem I had was trying to figure out how to get the back, bottom of the cabinet to grap the clips on the frame. I hope I did it right, as it appears correct.

Will try and post some videos today.

Still waiting on the plastic dryer bearing so cannot move forward to completion until that comes tomorrow.


Post# 572830 , Reply# 75   2/1/2012 at 08:07 (4,466 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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Sometimes when replacing the cabinet it bows out a little, and flexes back and forth.....so you have to kinda help it out when sliding it all together to make sure its all lined up before you put the clips back in place.....

on the frame near the back, on each side should be little extrusions sticking up, that slide into the slots on the body......when lined up right, the the body and frame should fit perfect together.....

a little tricky....the body should be tilted as your sliding it towards the machine, once the front makes contact with the frame, start lowering the cabinet towards the back....and everything should pop into place for the most part, sometimes you have to push the back into place.....and then fasten the clips....

good luck



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