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Post# 571795   1/27/2012 at 15:26 (4,465 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        

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Introducing my new washer.




Post# 571800 , Reply# 1   1/27/2012 at 15:47 (4,465 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Fantastic! My aunt and uncle have the exact same machine. Hope you enjoy :)

Post# 571801 , Reply# 2   1/27/2012 at 16:00 (4,465 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
HOOVER LOGIC

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Under the lid.

Post# 571804 , Reply# 3   1/27/2012 at 16:06 (4,465 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
HOOVER LOGIC

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Picture from the back. Looks to me like it's recently had a new back plate & bearings.

Post# 571806 , Reply# 4   1/27/2012 at 16:27 (4,465 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        

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Sold a customer a new Indesit washer today, she told me that her old one was well over 20 years old & she said that it was a Hotpoint so there was me thinking oh well it will be a 95 series machine. So when we delivered her new machine i got the shock of my life when i realised it was a Hoover Logic. It's in fantastic condition not one bit of rust on it. I asked her what was wrong with it & she said that it was not filling with cold water so i thought maybe it could possibly need a new solenoid valve so when i got it home i tried it & realised fairly quickly that the inlet filter was just blocked with rust.

Post# 571807 , Reply# 5   1/27/2012 at 16:29 (4,465 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
HOOVER LOGIC

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Ratings plate.

Post# 571808 , Reply# 6   1/27/2012 at 16:38 (4,465 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
Outstanding..

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How lucky are you!!

Austin


Post# 571809 , Reply# 7   1/27/2012 at 16:51 (4,465 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
HOOVER LOGIC

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Did not know that these later models had a mechanical micro switch for out of balance loads.

Post# 571811 , Reply# 8   1/27/2012 at 16:58 (4,465 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        

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Last pic of the night, giving the body work a good clean with Safeway savers cream cleaner.

Post# 571813 , Reply# 9   1/27/2012 at 17:14 (4,465 days old) by nrones ()        
Great! :D

You are so lucky to have opportunity to work with people who throw out their washers for... well what for? lol

Dex


Post# 571828 , Reply# 10   1/27/2012 at 18:02 (4,465 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        

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Exactly Dex, i just don't understand some people but on this occasion i was quite happy to take this beauty off her hands.

Post# 571973 , Reply# 11   1/28/2012 at 12:09 (4,464 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
Hoover Logics

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Well another great machine rescued, the Logics were and still are excellent machines, easy to work on and get parts for.

Good choice ;-)
Gary


Post# 571993 , Reply# 12   1/28/2012 at 14:31 (4,464 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        

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Yes i'm very happy now that i have found a fully working Logic machine. It will be cared for & looked after very well. But for now NO MORE MACHINES, i will just have to turn a blind eye to anymore which will be difficult unless it's a real rarity. It's going to be hard getting rid of a fully working 1988 Indesit Omega but i quite simply haven't got the space to store it.

Post# 571996 , Reply# 13   1/28/2012 at 14:50 (4,464 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        

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Craig I was wondering about that! il fb you. :)

Post# 572020 , Reply# 14   1/28/2012 at 18:01 (4,464 days old) by SuperElectronic (London, UK)        

I'm beginning to think you must have some very demanding clothes: they won't be seen in the same washer twice!

 

No denying it's a classic machine - seemingly with an extensive refit by the looks of the Ecologic-era drum paddles and shiny tub rear. Probably just as well it's in a cupboard though - in my experience Hoovers need some serious muffling on spin...clatter...rattle...rattle...oh, pass me the earplugs! Still, hats off to their quiet filling and pumping abilities and otherwise smooth operation.


Post# 572055 , Reply# 15   1/28/2012 at 21:20 (4,464 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        

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Well my washing will be washed, well i hope so for a long time in this classic machine & as for the noise levels it's not too bad even on the final 1200rpm spin. I love the sound of the timer it reminds me of the Keymatics/ Selectamatics by the clicking sounds when it's finding the programme that i've selected oh & the wash paddles in the drum are exactly the same but a different colour to the very earlier Electron series machines.

Post# 573124 , Reply# 16   2/2/2012 at 16:24 (4,459 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Logic

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Well i have a small problem, the logic has started heating the water up to a maximum temperature of 40 on the 95,60 & 50deg programmes. I am convinced it just needs the 90/60deg stat replacing or could it be something else. Does anyone have any ideas.

Post# 573229 , Reply# 17   2/3/2012 at 04:40 (4,458 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Beautiful machine! Wish I could take the indesit off your hands! Another reason to move lol.

I do miss my Logic it was my first collected machine and worked trouble free for 5 years! The cottons tumbles used to wind me up abit though!

The oob on these is like the new wave's and is far from fussy it will only cut in if it is severely out of balance on distribution and will stop and try again and most likely spin anyway lol.

Darren


Post# 573267 , Reply# 18   2/3/2012 at 08:24 (4,458 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
Thermostat

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Is the easiest place to start and the most likely problem as not much else it can be..!

Then again its a while since I did work on one so maybe others have more thoughts to share ?

Austin


Post# 573289 , Reply# 19   2/3/2012 at 10:49 (4,458 days old) by aquarius8000 ()        

congratulations! I remember my nannas logics quite well and I wrecked the washer! Her dryer I loved very much. I love the old Hoovers.

Post# 573308 , Reply# 20   2/3/2012 at 13:07 (4,458 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Logic

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Darren,

The tumbles are long at the start of the wash then short in the middle of the wash then back to long tumbles, but on the rinses they are all long tumbles very unlike the rinses on the Electrons which i believe were all short tumbles. I also think the final spin on the cottons is far better & exciting than on the Electron series, rather than starting at 500rpm it starts at 1000rpm but it could be 800rpm but it seems faster, then you have the usual Electron classic 2 second pause then it ramps up to 1200rpm. The only thing it doesn't do on the cottons spin but it does it on the synthetics is the final anti-crease tumbles at the end of the programme. The one thing i don't understand is why Hoover only knocked 15 minutes off the programme time when selecting the Speed Wash button.


Post# 573313 , Reply# 21   2/3/2012 at 13:47 (4,458 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Logic

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Austin,

Fingers crossed that it's the thermostat at fault like you say because the timer is fine. I've ordered it today at work but it's out of stock but luckily it's still available, just waiting for our supplier to get stocks in. I will have to use the Whites heavy soil programme but at 40deg for the time being, well at least i'll be saving some money on the electric bill for the time being.


Post# 573495 , Reply# 22   2/4/2012 at 07:48 (4,457 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Yeah my logic was very similar to the electrons it was the 1st logic 1300. A3632 from memory.

Strangely if you selected the mixed wash button on miminum iron it tumbled better than cottons! And heated twice :-s it would refill because it would hit the delicate programme then heat again! Fun programme though.

Another quirk was when it distribution drained it could be perfectly balanced then the timer would click on and it would stop and then distribute again sometimes out of balance and it would launch around lol.

I do miss it! The speed control died and it started spinning anticlockwise full of water! Then it decided not to tumble anticlockwise at all then the motor started sounded horrific so I decided against repairing it.

Darren


Post# 573560 , Reply# 23   2/4/2012 at 16:16 (4,457 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Logic

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We had a Hoover Electron 1100E when we were kids & i used to love messing around with the 3 spin option buttons it really did change the wash sequences. That's why i'm so happy at getting hold of this fun machine, it really brings back all the memories again!

Post# 573562 , Reply# 24   2/4/2012 at 16:44 (4,457 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Hoover - Who Better!!

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Hi Craig, another classic saved, looks in great nic shiny inside & out, I had a similar problem with those type thermostats, try this, prise the thermostats in the rubber bungs out of the tub and and check there is no build up or residue of scale etc on them, mine had a film and where easily cleaned and worked fine after that...make sure all the terminal connections are good, clean and no crap on those and that they are pushed on tight, one red terminal looks shinier than the rest, possibly been changed...

Happy washing, going to look for the matching dryer??



Post# 573646 , Reply# 25   2/5/2012 at 05:01 (4,456 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
Just a Thought

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Hello Craig

If you have access to a multi meter you can test the thermostats to make sure they are not in the "closed" position which could possibly cause the sympton you describe.

Or a very crude way of doing it is to remove the orange and the mauve wires as these if my memory serves me are the 30/40 or 40/50 degree thermostats, that way they are out of circuit and cannot influence the 60/90 degree thermostats.

Gary


Post# 573678 , Reply# 26   2/5/2012 at 09:48 (4,456 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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I’m with Gary, crude but worthy of a try before ordering a very expensive thermostat, shame I don’t have a wiring diagram, different manufactory’s use different ways of holding the timer during the heating period, early 18’s Hotpoint’s, the solenoid engages to advance the timer. In the 95’s the solenoid engages to stop the timer advancing. Not sure about the Hoovers. Would be interesting to see some timer charts and wiring diagrams.

Good luck with the repair.
Lee.


Post# 573682 , Reply# 27   2/5/2012 at 10:13 (4,456 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
OOVAH Stepar motars

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Hello Lee

hows you ;-)

Normally the thermostat via the programer is connected to the stepper motor whilst heating, when the thermostat closes the power supply is fed to the stepper motor and the programer advances

Here endeth your fist lesson in Hoover stepper motor control

Teknikal ted


Post# 573702 , Reply# 28   2/5/2012 at 13:22 (4,456 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Logic

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When i first got the machine i tried it out on the fast coloureds 60deg programme & it heated up to the correct temp then i put it on the whites 95deg programme & it was literally boiling the water without advancing & turning off the element, so i'm 80% sure it's got to be the 90-60deg stat. Yes a wiring diagram would really come in very handy Lee because the thermostats really have me baffled at the moment, but i will know more tomorrow when i test the stats.

Post# 573708 , Reply# 29   2/5/2012 at 13:31 (4,456 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
Stats

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As long as you replicate the present wiring on the stats you should have no problems, if you look very closely at the jumble of numbers on the stats sometimes they have the temperatures on them, i cannot see them in the picture though


Post# 573902 , Reply# 30   2/6/2012 at 13:02 (4,455 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Yes, forgot about the separate stepper motor arrangement used as well, My 1975 Liberator 1851/03 is fitted with the earlier CROUZET timer with two motors one for the sub interval cams and the other for advancing (stepping) the main cam, later changed to the A.K.O. timer in 1976 model 1828/01, single motor and solenoid.

Post# 573914 , Reply# 31   2/6/2012 at 14:19 (4,455 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
Timers

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Hello Lee
Those AKO timers sounded lovely loads clicks and pings i remember it well.

I was looking in a Hoover service book today (1991) and it covers all models around the logic 1200 here..........bloody frustrating, they made so many variants of one model, for shops etc

Maybe if we get the timer model number i can find a diagram that fits that.

Anyway we shall see how he gets on with his new thermostat.

Gary



Post# 573924 , Reply# 32   2/6/2012 at 17:31 (4,455 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        

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Well i will know more on Wednesday, because it's my day off work so i can spend all day trying to pinpoint where the problem lies on this truly wonderful machine.

Post# 574077 , Reply# 33   2/7/2012 at 14:03 (4,454 days old) by henrypeter21 ()        
Ho Goody Goody!

Good Luck to the repair! I Love repairing washing machines (Which makes people think i am a bit wierd)! I am looking out at taylors to find the machine we had when i was a baby (Some 10 years ago), The Hotpoint WM64 or WM62. A Man i know found a hotpoint 9560 (I Think) Tumble Dryer and got it working good. If only other people were like us and did not throw away machines just 'Cause' They need a new soap draw for example. My 3KG Zanussi Compact machine only needed a new set of bearings and a clean down which the previus owner could not be bothered to do. Luckily i saved it from the skip anyway. I am also looking out for a shot out hotpoint wm63 to use for my project. Please check out my vids, i have got youtube so you can see videos of my machine i restored - More coming soon!.

Henry.


CLICK HERE TO GO TO henrypeter21's LINK


Post# 574101 , Reply# 34   2/7/2012 at 17:58 (4,454 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Goody Goody

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Hello Henry,

Well let me start by saying there's nothing wrong or weird about enjoying & repairing washing machines, from about 5 years of age i was hooked on them. First of all starting with our mams second hand Servis compact wringer machine then on to our first Automatic washer which was a Creda square door rhythm spin 800 which i would absolutely love to come across again but i think i would have more chance of winning the lotto than finding one. On the subject of people getting rid of old washing machines, yeah that really gets to me. If only i had a big warehouse it would be stacked full by now. It's so annoying seeing a classic machine just being thrown away especially when you know fine well that you could possibly repair it. As for WM60-62-63-64 Aquarius washers we come across these almost everyday.


Post# 574418 , Reply# 35   2/8/2012 at 13:45 (4,453 days old) by henrypeter21 ()        
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Super! When are we going to hear about your hotpoint wm72?

Post# 574448 , Reply# 36   2/8/2012 at 15:20 (4,453 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)        
Logic

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Hi Craig,

Nice condition machine you've got.
I've got the Washer Dryer version of your Logic 1200 AutoWasher, mine's the Logic Premier (Special Edition) 1250 A8576.
Had a few issues to start with, but works perfectly, alongside my Servis Sapphire & Zanussi JetSystem.
When I was a kid, we had the EcoLogic 1200 AutoWasher A3954 & matching dryer D6722, the washer died in 2001, but we've still got the dryer.

I have the booklet containing the A3954 & your A3786, the book including your washer, also includes the washer dryer that my A8576 is based off, if you're interested, I'll post you copies of the pages.

I've attached afew pics of the Logic Premier for you to compare to your Logic.

If you're interested in dating your Logic, my Logic Premier's from October 1990, if you speak to Paul Nichols, he'll be able to accurately date it for you, just provide the model - A3786 & it's serial number, if it's still inside the door for him.

CJ


Post# 574449 , Reply# 37   2/8/2012 at 15:21 (4,453 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)        
Logic Premier

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02nd Pic.

Post# 574451 , Reply# 38   2/8/2012 at 15:25 (4,453 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)        
Logic Premier

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03rd Pic. Personally, I prefer the EcoLogic's turquoise colour drum paddles to the crea/beige of the Logic's, like with my Logic Premier.

Post# 574462 , Reply# 39   2/8/2012 at 16:44 (4,453 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Logic

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Henry,

I still have the Ultima WM72N but the circuit boards have been repaired about 3 times now without any success so i'm waiting for a old Ultima to turn up so i can transfer the boards into mine.

CJ,

I have watched all your recordings on Youtube & i really enjoy watching them. Well my Logic has the turquoise paddles so i guess it has had a drum replacement in the past. I have downloaded a instruction book from the Hoover website but it's for a Logic 1000 spin, but apart from that it's exactly the same.


Post# 574922 , Reply# 40   2/10/2012 at 16:34 (4,451 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Logic

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Well the new thermostat landed today.

Post# 574925 , Reply# 41   2/10/2012 at 17:24 (4,451 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Logic

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Thought it would be just a matter of pulling off the old stat & pushing the new one on without having to remove the rubber seal but there was just know way of pushing it on.

Post# 574927 , Reply# 42   2/10/2012 at 17:32 (4,451 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Logic

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Seal removed.

Post# 574932 , Reply# 43   2/10/2012 at 17:56 (4,451 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Logic

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Just to be make sure that it would be water tight i applied a generous amount of sealant all the way around the seal & around the thermostat housing before really struggling to push it back on. So what i thought would maybe take 5 minutes to do ended up taking well over 30 minutes. I will let the sealant dry over night & i will try it out tomorrow. Fingers crossed it will now heat up to the correct temperature!

Post# 575071 , Reply# 44   2/11/2012 at 07:57 (4,450 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
hotpoint 95622

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Seal, yes the rubber grommets can be a little tricky at times, I have found it’s best to remove them, give it a good clean and then re-seat the complete unit. Some times a little smear of washing-up liquid can help if very troublesome.

Back of the drum is nice and clean, no signs of being in a hard water district.

Lee



Post# 575073 , Reply# 45   2/11/2012 at 08:12 (4,450 days old) by jmurray01 ()        

Looks like it is in great condition!

I bet it doesn't take hours to complete a load eh ? (Just a little dig at my Beko WM5100W by the way).


Post# 575087 , Reply# 46   2/11/2012 at 09:08 (4,450 days old) by henrypeter21 ()        
Fan of the WM64!

Excellent Progress, Keep the updates coming.

When i did the thermostat on my Zanussi, i found that it was not the stat causing the heater not to work, it was the plug terminals on the heater. The ends have worn down so I scraped the end where the plug had been against the wall, then refitted and it worked fine.

I am currently doing an electrical project including writing my own programs after seeing lees project that he did. This Silly computer though keeps throwing up an error with the program i am using (MPLAB IDE V8.83) starts. I am now starting to work on motors too.

My programs are being based on the Hotpoint WM64 we had - but instead of the tumbles when draining i will have mine to go to distribute at the start of drain, providing the pump works ok with it.

The WM64 We had was the best machine, until one day in 2005 when it ended up on the back of a skip lorry.

Chip diagram. I will be using a 24 pin chip.


Post# 575132 , Reply# 47   2/11/2012 at 13:21 (4,450 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Logic

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Well all is good, no leaks & it is now heating up to the correct temperature of 50,60 & 90deg. I have added one thing that just finishes it off & that is the classic red Hoover logo badge.

Post# 575133 , Reply# 48   2/11/2012 at 13:40 (4,450 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
Thermostats

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Nice work well done ;-)..............another excellent machine saved

Gary


Post# 575134 , Reply# 49   2/11/2012 at 13:48 (4,450 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Hoover

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Cheers Gary

Post# 575325 , Reply# 50   2/12/2012 at 09:11 (4,449 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
hotpoint 95622

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Fantastic work, always gratifying when a problem is fixed and a machine returned to good health.

Lee


Post# 575449 , Reply# 51   2/12/2012 at 17:46 (4,449 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Hoover

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Yes it is Lee,

Two wash loads have been done in it today & it worked spot on & it washes far better than any new washer on sale these days.


Post# 575812 , Reply# 52   2/14/2012 at 04:03 (4,447 days old) by Maturasigma ()        

Wow, it looks so very great!!

I´ve had an Hoover ÖKO Logic WA1000 De Luxe, but i´ve must give it away, bt it was irreperable broken :(

at the moment is a Hoover ÖKO Logic WA1200 De Luxe in my near, but i think, that had an big problem too...


Post# 575830 , Reply# 53   2/14/2012 at 07:44 (4,447 days old) by zanussi_lover (Nottingham, UK)        
Lovely Machine

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Hope you make videos of it, it looks fantastic =]



Post# 575908 , Reply# 54   2/14/2012 at 13:20 (4,447 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Hope you make videos of it

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Haha,

Zanussi lover. I'm still trying to get to grips with taking photo's on my camera & i'm not very good at that let alone making a video, but you have got me thinking because there is a video recording facility on my camera.


Post# 575968 , Reply# 55   2/14/2012 at 19:42 (4,447 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        

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Jamie,

Those Beko WM5100W washers are built really well, we have sold loads of them. Just a shame Beko didn't think of putting a time saver option button on them. Thank god for the 30 minute quick wash because if i was to tell a customer how long a standard 40d cotton cycle lasted they would run a mile.


Post# 577018 , Reply# 56   2/19/2012 at 13:18 (4,442 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)        
Red Hoover Badge

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Hi Craig,

Did the hoover badge come with the machine? Or did you buy one?

If you bought it, can you direct me to where you invested in one? So I can get one for my Logic Premier.

Thanks.

CJ



Post# 577048 , Reply# 57   2/19/2012 at 15:25 (4,442 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Hoover Badge

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CJ,

I got the badge from work it accidentally fell off a new Hoover Washer/Dryer haha.


Post# 577116 , Reply# 58   2/19/2012 at 20:59 (4,442 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)        
Logic Model Number

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Hi Craig,

Just been looking at my last Logic AutoWasher, it was an Aristocrat Logic 1300, model A3678, there are 02 vids of it on YT. I got it as a set with a Hotpoint Aquarius Ultima 1400 AutoWasher 9566, which's going to my Uncle soon, unfortunately the Aristocrat Logic went back to the shop as it wasn't running properly, but, after the fault issues with the Logic Premier when I first got it, I'd say the issue was the PCB board that'd become unfastened from the cabinet wall where they were positioned upon production.

I've attached a pic of it for you. Same model number as yours, just the number digits swapped round.

When I get a few spare minutes, I'll create a new thread with each page of the 03 different Hoover range brochures I've got, plus some of my pixel perfect replica's to go with.

I'll let you know when the thread's been created & the pics/replica's added to it.

CJ


Post# 577119 , Reply# 59   2/19/2012 at 21:11 (4,442 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)        
Aristocrat Logic A3678

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Here're a few more pics of the Aristocrat Logic A3678.
The 01st, with the Ultima 9566 in the background.


Post# 577120 , Reply# 60   2/19/2012 at 21:14 (4,442 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)        
Next Pic

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And the next...

Post# 577121 , Reply# 61   2/19/2012 at 21:15 (4,442 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)        
Next Pic

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And dhen...

Post# 577122 , Reply# 62   2/19/2012 at 21:16 (4,442 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)        
Next

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The controls.

Post# 577123 , Reply# 63   2/19/2012 at 21:18 (4,442 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)        
Next

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The drum, same paddles as your Logic, which, in a way, I should've kept for the Logic Premier or any other possible Logic/EcoLogic Washer Dryer acquisitions.

Post# 577124 , Reply# 64   2/19/2012 at 21:19 (4,442 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)        
Next

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Another drum shot.

Post# 577126 , Reply# 65   2/19/2012 at 21:21 (4,442 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)        
Next

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Next pic. Door open shot.

Post# 577128 , Reply# 66   2/19/2012 at 21:22 (4,442 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)        
Next

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Next pic.

Post# 577129 , Reply# 67   2/19/2012 at 21:25 (4,442 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)        
Final Pic

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Last one... First pic of it I took, before I purchased it. Aristocrat badge a bit clearer, sorry bout the fuzziness in the previous pics, they were taken on a new camera.

Post# 577131 , Reply# 68   2/19/2012 at 21:33 (4,442 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)        
Bosch Logixx 1400 Washer Dryer WFT2800

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Soon, I'm going to be acquiring my Uncle's Bosch Logixx 1400 Washer Dryer WFT2800, which I'm looking forward to, I'll try & get a vid or 02 of it running, next time I visit my Uncle.

It'll come in handy to have as a back up in case my Grandma's Hotpoint Ultima 1600 Washer Dryer WD860 floods the kitchen again, or it over heats or the pump gets blocked with leftover dryer fluff.


Post# 577132 , Reply# 69   2/19/2012 at 21:34 (4,442 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)        
Grandma's Ultima

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Here's a pic of Grandma's Ultima WD860.

Post# 577136 , Reply# 70   2/19/2012 at 21:56 (4,442 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)        
My Crew

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My Crew, minus the Aqualtis, which's my Mum & Dad's Washer Dryer.
From left to right.

01 Hoover Logic Premier 1250 Washer Dryer A8576
02. Servis Sapphire 1300 Washer Dryer 9635
03. Zanussi JetSystem 1600 Washer Dryer WJD1667W
04. Miele Navitronic 1800 AutoWasher W3985WPS

05. Hotpoint Aqualtis 1400 Washer Dryer AQM8D49IV


Post# 577266 , Reply# 71   2/20/2012 at 15:09 (4,441 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
My crew

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A very impressive line up CJ, how lucky are you. If only i had a place like yours to keep machines, it would be full by now. Well which one do you rate more the Servis sapphire or the Hoover logic.

Post# 577592 , Reply# 72   2/22/2012 at 07:36 (4,439 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)        
The Crew

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Hi Craig,

In honesty, if it were a comparison, between the Logic Premier, Sapphire & Jetsystem, against the Aqualtis, I can tell you for definite, that the three of mine against the Aqualtis'd be higher in performance ratings, than the Aqualtis. (See Post# 574449, Reply# 37, for the pic of the Premier, Sapphire & Jetsystem).

I only compare them 04 together, because they're all Washer Dryers, whereas the Navi, EcoLogic & Ultima 9566're both AutoWashers & Tumble Dryer separates.

With my 03, in the dryer side, only 01-02 attempts to dry, the Aqualtis, between 03-05 attempts. Even Grandma's Ultima WD860 dries better, the only advantages of the Aqualtis, is the 08KG wash load, steam functions & full/standard size 06KG drying load.

I had a problem recently with the Ultima WD860, it flooded the kitchen for the 03rd time in 06 years, I'm on the look out for a Bosch Logixx 1400 Washer Dryer WFT2800, as a backup to the WD860, should anything dire go wrong with it, as it's not likely that my Uncle'll ditch his WFT2800 in the next year or 02.

Which's your favourite out of my garage line up? Excluding the Aqualtis, as that's my Mum & Dad's.


Post# 577648 , Reply# 73   2/22/2012 at 15:54 (4,439 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Servis

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Without a doubt the Servis sappire. I've only ever come across 1 Servis quartz style machine in 14 years of working in my job, but i couldn't save it because it was in a very bad state of repair. My all time favourite dream machine still yet to be found, but i doubt i will never ever come across one is the very first automatic my parents owned which was a TI Creda rhythm spin square door. That was some washer, the spin & timer noises that machine made were so unlike any other washer. A very unique piece of engineering.

Post# 578200 , Reply# 74   2/25/2012 at 17:21 (4,436 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)        

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Hi Craig

Yes, it's a great Washer Dryer, the Sapphire, it does alarm me a bit when it makes a scraping noise, which depends on the load in the drum, if I were going to change anything about it, I'd definitely prolong the 1300RPM part of the spin from its 20 seconds like on the old Hotpoints. I'd also change its operational tendencies, e.g. on spin phases, to keep the user/owner of it guessing, other than me.

I'd increase the spin from 1300 to either 1700RPM or 1900RPM, increase H2O levels, incorporate spin phases during the wash & rinses, to boost washing & rinsing performance.

I've added the 03 links below, to give you ideas on my thoughts, to how the oparational & rogramming should've been programmed & I'd change them to.


Spin Wash example




Progressive spin example




RinseSpin example




ToBe...


Post# 578205 , Reply# 75   2/25/2012 at 17:41 (4,436 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
servis

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I will enjoy watching all the vids on youtube tomorrow.

Post# 578210 , Reply# 76   2/25/2012 at 17:47 (4,436 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        

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Don't know who's more washer crazy me or you.

Post# 578294 , Reply# 77   2/26/2012 at 03:24 (4,435 days old) by HotpointFan (United Kingdom)        
CJ

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Awesome line up. The Servis Sapphire is my fave - never seen one working though!

The Hotpoint 9566 reminds me of my nans later style WM41 which was just a washing machine - but an excellent one!

Is that the one that boschlover1997 - ilovemiele1- is getting?

Thanks

Jacob

P.S Just noticed your not that far from me :)


Post# 578295 , Reply# 78   2/26/2012 at 03:25 (4,435 days old) by HotpointFan (United Kingdom)        
Optima

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Have you just got yourself that Electron?

I thought you said NO MORE MACHINES lol.

:)


Post# 578314 , Reply# 79   2/26/2012 at 06:13 (4,435 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)        
Sapphire Cycle Operation

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Sapphire Cycle Operation - Now

01. Fill with water.
02. Heat H2O to selected programme set temperature interspersed with slow tumbles.
03. Wash laundry load.
04. Pump out wash water & spin at 90RPM (Distribution speed).
05. Fill & Rinse 01.
06. Pump out water/spin at 90RPM, ramp upto 1000RPM for 20 secs. RinseSpin 01
07. Fill & Rinse 02.
08. Pump out water/spin at 90RPM, ramp upto 1000RPM for 20 secs. RinseSpin 02
09. Fill & Rinse 03 (Fabric softener added).
10. Pump out water/spin at 90RPM, ramp to 600RPM, ramp to 1000RPM, ramp to 1300RPM for 20 secs. Spin Dry 1300
11. Slow down from 1300RPM & stop, or commence selected drying time period.

Sapphire Cycle Operation - My change in opperation sequence

01. Fill with water.
02. Heat H2O to 20°C interspersed with tumbles.
03. Wash laundry load at 20°C.
04. Heat H2O to 30°C interspersed with tumbles.
05. Wash laundry load at 30°C.
06. Heat H2O to 40°C interspersed with tumbles.
07. Wash laundry load at 40°C.
08. Heat H2O to 50°C interspersed with tumbles.
09. Wash laundry load at 50°C.
10. Heat H2O to 60°C interspersed with tumbles.
11. Wash laundry load at 60°C.
12. Pump out wash water & ramp upto 1000RPM for 40 secs.
13. Fill & drain cooldown rinse. Rinse 01.
14. Pump out water/spin at 90RPM, ramp upto 1300RPM, progressive ramp to 1300RPM, hold at 1300RPM for 02 mins, progressive ramp to stop, with filling as ramp down. RinseSpin 01
15. Fill & drain cooldown rinse. Rinse 02.
16. Pump out water/spin at 90RPM, ramp upto 1150RPM for 30 secs. RinseSpin 02
17. Fill & Rinse 03 (Interspersed spins to boost rinsing performance). Rinse 03
18. Pump out water/ramp to 1200RPM, progressive ramp to stop, with filling as ramp down. RinseSpin 03
19. Fill & Rinse 04 (Interspersed spins to boost rinsing performance). Rinse 04
20. Pump out water/ramp to 800RPM, progressive ramp to stop, with filling as ramp down. RinseSpin 04
21. Fill & Rinse 05.
22. Pump out water/progressive ramp to 600RPM, to ramp upto 1000RPM, ramp to 1300RPM, hold at 1300RPM for 04 mins, progressive ramp to stop. Spin Dry 1300.
23. Slow down from 1300RPM & stop, or commence selected drying time period.


Post# 578315 , Reply# 80   2/26/2012 at 06:33 (4,435 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)        
HotpointFan

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Hi Jacob.

The 9566, was, going to ILoveMiele1, but he had to pull out.
My Uncle had an 800 Electronic 9525W, he gave that to a friend of mine, the 9566 is going to my Uncle, once his bathroom has been revamped, the 9566's sat waiting in a friend's garage.


Post# 578320 , Reply# 81   2/26/2012 at 07:06 (4,435 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)        
Sapphire

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Craig,

If you've not seen it, here's a pic of the controls of my Sapphire, a replica I pieced together on MS Paint. When I did this, the programme code letters differ in the pic than on the machine, as I didn't know they were different before I'd completed the replica.


Post# 578491 , Reply# 82   2/26/2012 at 17:19 (4,435 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)        
Sapphire

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Hi Craig,

I posted the controls replica above, here's the entire machine front.


Post# 578520 , Reply# 83   2/26/2012 at 18:52 (4,435 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Servis

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Excellent replica pics of the sapphire CJ, how talented are you!

Post# 578619 , Reply# 84   2/27/2012 at 07:54 (4,434 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
Water Pressure

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Craig you have good water pressure there, should be no problems flushing powders through :-)


Post# 578715 , Reply# 85   2/27/2012 at 14:09 (4,434 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Water pressure

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Gary,

The water pressure in my house is really strong now, but that was not always the case up until a few years back till i modernized the house & a new water main was put in. A keep sake picture of one of the furred up joints.


Post# 579059 , Reply# 86   2/28/2012 at 14:53 (4,433 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)        
Water Pressure

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Craig,

When I first got my Logic Premier, I put it onto programme "F" Special Treatments, it filled ok, but when it got to the point of tumbling, it span too fast, roughly 0250RPM, causing the intaken water to be forced out of the drum vent slot at the back of the machine, lucky it was in the garage, not the kitchen, upon it being tested through a full test wash on programme "D" Non Fastcoloureds, it ran fine, no issues what so ever.

Once it returned to Grandma's, we tried testing for ourselves, it blew the main house fuse. We had Coopers (Repair shop we took it to, our local), come back to inspect it, The PCB/Module board had come adrift of the cabinet. Grandma's handyman, Dave, secured the board away from the suspension pillar - the cause of the fuse blowing, it's worked perfectly since, apart from a squeak when drying, maybe a dry bearing? Dave also fashioned a makeshift water connection, to connect it to the garden hose, but I'll be damned if I know where it's buggered off to, after Dad removed the connector, when he plumbed it back in here at home, but since the removal & where ig ot put, other stuff's been moved since then.

The original verdict over the Logic Premier's issue, before the loose board discovery, was, "The garage plumbing's too strong for a machine as old as this". I'm veering to it being the board that caused the over tumbling issue in the 01st place, what do you think?

I was absolutely heartbroken when Dad decided not to repair our EcoLogic 1200 AutoWasher, and there was one in Coopers too, when ours went up the spout, in the end it sat wedged between fridge freezer & sink cupboard unit, before being stripped for useable parts, Grandma got the inner drum, like your Logic's, for growing her Rhubarb in.

If I had a pic of the rear of the Logic Premier, I'd post it, but the auction I bought it from'll've been deleted from Ebay's records by now, but there're plenty of vids of it running, on my YT channel, my username's WD860.


Link to my channel: http://youtube.com/user/WD860?feature=guide

CJ


Post# 683052 , Reply# 87   6/8/2013 at 12:44 (3,967 days old) by vonmal ()        
Hoover Logic 1200 wont wash or rinse but spins

Hi Optima i have a washing machine similar to yours.Put a wash on today it reached the final rinse and would not continue.I turn it to final spin which it did.When tried a new wash it only made sound as if it had just finished a rinse .Machine just wont wash or rinse.Any solutions PLEASE vonmal

Post# 683055 , Reply# 88   6/8/2013 at 13:06 (3,967 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Logic 1200

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First thing i would do is to turn the thumb dial to the next off positon & press the start button, if it still clicks in that off position wait till it stops clicking then select a new wash programme, hopefully that will sort it Vonmal.

Any chance of a picture of your Logic, it would be great to see it.


Post# 683060 , Reply# 89   6/8/2013 at 13:26 (3,967 days old) by fido ()        

Might be worth trying it on a few different wash programmes to see if it works on some but not others. It could be a burnt out solenoid coil in one of the water valves. If you have a multimeter you can check these on the ohms range (with machine unplugged from mains!). They should read about 3000 ohms so any reading infinity ohms have failed. You could also check the pressure vessel, as they sometimes get bunged up with soap powder residue. This is a small plastic bottle fitted near the bottom of the tub backplate. It can be removed and washed out.

Post# 683065 , Reply# 90   6/8/2013 at 14:01 (3,967 days old) by Hoover1100 (U.K.)        
My 1300

Has done this on a couple of occasions, as said here turning it to the off setting and leaving it to run until it sorts itself out has always worked on mine.

It just seems that the programmer gets 'confused' and runs the pump constantly, even if the power button is turned off.

Matt


Post# 691971 , Reply# 91   7/25/2013 at 20:31 (3,920 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Logic

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Could it be that the solenoid valve is seized up

Post# 812486 , Reply# 92   3/5/2015 at 20:11 (3,332 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Hoover Logic

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Almost 24 Years old

Still as great as ever.


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Post# 812523 , Reply# 93   3/6/2015 at 05:33 (3,331 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
Almost 24

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Almost Happy Birthday Logic ;-)

Post# 815594 , Reply# 94   3/24/2015 at 19:52 (3,313 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
HOOVER A3786

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Still going as strong as ever.

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Post# 872556 , Reply# 95   3/14/2016 at 20:36 (2,957 days old) by OPTIMA (Cumbria England)        
LOGIC A3786 WASHER 1200

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Still in the very best of condition. Almost 26 years old.





Post# 872639 , Reply# 96   3/15/2016 at 09:55 (2,956 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK)        
Hoover Logics

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Your A3786 is looking great there - these machines are brilliant.

Mike.



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