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Post# 575118   2/11/2012 at 11:46 (4,429 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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The thread on the big sale made me think to post these pics for posterity. I picked these up years ago, they're just sitting in storage. Whirlpool Imperial Mark 18 1LXA9920AO/C21601424. Has a lighted console, and it's a 3 speed





Post# 575119 , Reply# 1   2/11/2012 at 11:47 (4,429 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        
under the hood

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The ol' Super Surgilator.


Post# 575120 , Reply# 2   2/11/2012 at 11:49 (4,429 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        
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Not an exact match, but close enough, and it's also a 3 speed.  LAE 8800AO/M31501228


Post# 575124 , Reply# 3   2/11/2012 at 12:13 (4,429 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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what a beautiful set!

Post# 575152 , Reply# 4   2/11/2012 at 16:27 (4,429 days old) by hydralique (Los Angeles)        

My aunt and uncle built a new house in late '66. The bought all new appliances, including a beautiful avocado matched Whirlpool set. I have no idea what models they were but at least MOL, and they lasted for years and years. This set brings back memories of that set, such handsome models and so very Whirlpool.


Post# 575158 , Reply# 5   2/11/2012 at 16:57 (4,429 days old) by 70series ( Connecticut.)        

Very nice washer, and the 18 pounder too with the long post agitator. What year is this? I am suspecting 1970.

Have a good one,
James


Post# 575632 , Reply# 6   2/13/2012 at 12:39 (4,427 days old) by 1966_mustang ()        

Man so Close !!! If they only had the Lint filter!!! I would give what you wanted no Question ask... and pay 300 to have it delivered down here..

I can't figure why did they make some of these with out the lint filter??

Man it just seem like I keep striking out on this... :(


Post# 575633 , Reply# 7   2/13/2012 at 12:41 (4,427 days old) by 1966_mustang ()        

Hey Mr, Goatfarmer,

Was this the one that you said you could not get anymore photos on? I think that one was a little different wasn't it?


thanks


Post# 575639 , Reply# 8   2/13/2012 at 13:23 (4,427 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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not like you could not add the manual filter to this.....and this may already have the 3 port pump......all you need is a hose, and change the splash guard to one with the built in filter......granted, its not the magic mix, but the water fall is there to be seen.......



Post# 575641 , Reply# 9   2/13/2012 at 13:28 (4,427 days old) by rickr (.)        

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That is a very good point Yogitunes!

And that is exactly what I did with my 1956 Whirlpool...


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Post# 575651 , Reply# 10   2/13/2012 at 14:28 (4,427 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)        
I beg to differ a little bit.....

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Martin -

This machine would require a decent bit of re-configuration to have a manual filter. Two pumps could be used to supply a manual filter, the four port or the three port. Undoubtedly this machine came with a two-port pump. Those with the three-port style pump (less the little third port) and self-cleaning filters didn't hit the scene until ten years after this machine was built.

Since it has self-cleaner, it depends on where that filter is and how it is supplied (by check valve or not) as to what would happen if a four-port pump was used instead. I'm not certain there would be water supply to the lower half of the four port pump with the current tub and plumbing. We'd have to see what filter WP used, and how much supplemental plumbing for the filter is already there. Some self-cleaning filters were were WP only, especially the one mounted at the bottom of the manifold trap. I am not as familiar with these and where they got their water from.

If the much newer three port was installed, no plumbing is needed except from the little port to the filter, BUT there would be leftover hoses most likely from a side tub outlet that would need to be capped. The worst issue with that though is the plastic tub ring that would be required (unless you're going to drill a recess into this nice avocado top panel). This is a rare bird these days being a large capacity with a metal tub ring.

This machine needs to stay as-is. Its the first machine I've seen to come along on the site here for several years that could use my mega Roto-Swirl. Now that would be FUN to see one day! I'm not stating the work can't be done, I'm just sayin'...

Gordon


Post# 575654 , Reply# 11   2/13/2012 at 14:47 (4,427 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)        
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This is not the same machine as the one Kenny/Goatfarmer shared earlier that was temporarily inaccessible to photos besides the one. That one is white.

You say you can't figure out why this machine was made without a lint filter - it's because it has a self-cleaning filter, which was in all TOL and better MOL Kenmores and Whirlpools by the later 1960s.

Gordon


Post# 575655 , Reply# 12   2/13/2012 at 14:54 (4,427 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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Gordon

Beg all you want..........this machine in particular like so many with a self clean filter only use a 2 port pump......in any configuration........the only exception would be if the machine had a detergent dispenser, to which a 4 port pump would be used....and can't be switched out for a 3 port......

I have 2 Whirlpools here.....one has a self clean filter, thru use of hoses and flapper valves, to the filter mounted in the lower left of the cabinet, the other one is the simple comb filter attached under the tub....no other plumbing required.....before I attempted to add the 3 port pump, I looked underneath, and its already there, capped off.....all I have to do is add a hose, and a filtering mechanism of choice....

chances are high, this machine in particular has only a 2 port pump...a simple switch out...and your set.......

Kenmores were the only machines to use a 4 port, in a self clean filter machine.....and its only function was to flush the detergent dispenser...by way of a solenoid valve...


Post# 575656 , Reply# 13   2/13/2012 at 14:59 (4,427 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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BTW....RickR.....that is a great machine....I love the setup and the changes you have done.....excellent......even adding that filter ups the drama all that much more.....

a few small changes.....but this can be done a number of ways....

RickR...did you tap into a 3 port for this....or did you tap into the tub for a 4 port pump?


Post# 575657 , Reply# 14   2/13/2012 at 14:59 (4,427 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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Martin you totally missed what I said. Read it again, this time I'm not begging anything....

Post# 575658 , Reply# 15   2/13/2012 at 15:05 (4,427 days old) by rickr (.)        

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Thank you Yogi! I put a four port pump in the Whirlpool.

I have a 1956 Kenmore, and I added a waterfall filter to it also. It too had a four port pump intalled to it.


Post# 575660 , Reply# 16   2/13/2012 at 15:38 (4,427 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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Martin -

Of course, all self-clean machines were fitted with a two-port pump except for the Kenmores with the detergent dispenser. There is no denying that.

The WP you have with capped-off third port has a replacement pump if it has an under-the-tub disk filter. The original pump was the same, but without the third port. That pump went NLA shortly after BDs were discontinued, in favor of the 3-port with the cap and clamp. Yes indeed, if you un-cap that port, you can do any number of things with a hose added to it, including adding another filter, or making a fountain.

That said, if you put a 3-port pump into an older machine like your other WP with the extra hoses and the flapper valve, none of that will be useable as the 3-port pump is mono-directional, it DOES NOT reverse flow.

If you take that same older WP of yours, and add a 4-port to it, you have to supply the third and fourth (lower) ports somehow. The original filtration system would work fine using the top half of the four port pump, but without a water supply, the extra two ports would be dry. You would have to tap into the water from the flapper which is already going to cabinet mounted filter.

This is what I was saying about this being possible, but not immediately easy.

G




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Post# 575661 , Reply# 17   2/13/2012 at 15:44 (4,427 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Hey Mr, Goatfarmer,

Was this the one that you said you could not get anymore photos on? I think that one was a little different wasn't it?


thanks

No, this is a different machine altogether. I'm still working on digging that one out of my backroom. This avocado one is in a rented storage that I'm in the process of emptying.

 

Rick, small coincidence, but these machines came on the same load, and from the same location as a certain 56 Whirlpool Imperial dryer you know well.....


Post# 575712 , Reply# 18   2/13/2012 at 17:39 (4,427 days old) by rickr (.)        

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Well, Kenny, you made a great haul that day! That has been quite a few years ago, it's time someone "adopts" those machines from you.

Gordon, I did not mean to imply that the filter could be added to the machine without adding the needed hoses, but nevertheless, the filter system could be added to any of the belt drive wp/km machines. Change out the pump, add the brackets and filter, and change whatever hoses are rotton, and needed to do it. After all, these are old machines now. They all should have hoses, seals, and bearings checked/replaced as needed. To think that a 40+ year old machine that has also sat for years can just be hooked up and used is just wrong anyway. It is best to do a full restoration before it is put into service. If you do not, something will break down shortly, even if it runs at all.


Post# 575731 , Reply# 19   2/13/2012 at 19:24 (4,426 days old) by 1966_mustang ()        

Thanks Goatfarmer,

I will wait on it... This machine DOES look really good I have to admit..

Now in the thread several people mentioned thta this machine might have the self cleaning filter.... does it?

I got to say it is some what nice..


Post# 575732 , Reply# 20   2/13/2012 at 19:30 (4,426 days old) by 1966_mustang ()        

Hey I have a question,

Do the different Tub and Agitator Colors have any meaning? Why were some Tubs white with black agitators. Then some Machines had black tubs with White agitators. Do these different color combonations mean anything? Now I see this one with a white agitator with a black top....I saw another one like this as well.

Did whirpool use this to signify something or is these colors just random...

thanks..


Post# 575749 , Reply# 21   2/13/2012 at 20:25 (4,426 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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That ain't a black cap....that puppy is Chrome.....and can be polished to shine like no other.....

Whirlpool mainly only had a few agitators, first the 3 straight vanes...then the Surgilator was introduced...first it was only available in black bakelite, certain models decided if it had just a nub cap, a full black plastic cap, or a chrome one...the last 2 had "surgilator" imprinted on them......

later on came the poly-plastics, first a bluish white, and then pure white, "Super Surgilator" with slightly more extension on the bottom part of the vanes.....as years and models went on, you either got a full white cap, or chrome...and of course "Super Surgilator" stamped on top....

the last one is the Double-Duty Surgilator...with extra wings at the bottom and heavier/thicker vanes all the way to the top...white cap included.....

others may correct me where I went wrong......


Post# 575753 , Reply# 22   2/13/2012 at 21:40 (4,426 days old) by rickr (.)        
whoops! forgot something Yogi!

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I forgot to explain how I got the source of water for the filter systems!
I was at work and kind of busy when typed the other stuff.... Sorry.

The original tub in the 56 Whirlpool was rusted out, so I got a 61 Kenmore with a broken transmission case from Kenny, and I used it for parts for the 56 WP.
The tub with the port, the suspention rods, (which were longer) and the filter sytem from the 61 Kenmore were used in the 56 Whirlpool. I also rebuilt the machine, and replaced all the seals and hoses with new.

I tapped into the tub for the water source for the green 56 Kenmore, then had the tub welded at a welding shop, and coated the welded area with POR-15. I added the port for that machine, as it did not have one. I found the filter and bracket NIB for the Kenmore at an appliance parts store.
I think it adds a lot of fun to have the waterfall filter, so it was worth the extra effort in my opinion. "If there's a will, there's a way" I always say. These are old washers, not Duesenbergs. If most of classic machines were not salvaged and repaired by some of the people in this club, they would have been scrapped years ago. There was a guy a few months ago that "hot rodded" an old blue Whirlpool with an oversize motor, ect. He was criticized by some for "ruining" the machine. Well, at least the dude did something with it, and obviously had fun doing it, and it was interesting to read about it, so thats great by me. I think thats what a hobby is all about, isn't it?


Post# 575758 , Reply# 23   2/13/2012 at 21:54 (4,426 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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RickR

great job.....that waterfall is worth every cent....Niagra Falls has nothing on this....you have done a lot and it looks great...my heart goes to that filter....pure luxury....does it get any better than that?

we all tweek in our own way.....some may work, others may not, trial and error...if it makes us happy.....so be it....and we are thankful for those who do the "changes" for the upgrades, better performers, or pure enjoyment...and for sharing the ideas.....


Post# 575946 , Reply# 24   2/14/2012 at 17:03 (4,426 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Thanks Goatfarmer,

I will wait on it... This machine DOES look really good I have to admit..

Now in the thread several people mentioned thta this machine might have the self cleaning filter.... does it?

I got to say it is some what nice..



I'll make sure I dig it out this weekend, I'm curious as to what it looks like under the hood, it's been a year or so since I've seen it.


Post# 575948 , Reply# 25   2/14/2012 at 17:39 (4,426 days old) by lebron (Minnesota)        
then the Surgilator was introduced...first it was only avail

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Don't forget the aluminum Surgilator !

Post# 575949 , Reply# 26   2/14/2012 at 17:40 (4,426 days old) by lebron (Minnesota)        
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Post# 575977 , Reply# 27   2/14/2012 at 20:29 (4,425 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Agitators

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I too have an Aluminum Surgilator, they do exist, they came with a Bakelite cap that was painted silver to match the agitator.


Post# 576062 , Reply# 28   2/15/2012 at 09:47 (4,425 days old) by 1966_mustang ()        

Goatfarmer,
to be Honest I sort of like this three speed Machine as well It seems to have alot bells and whistels as much as the 66 that you took in the other post.

Does this Model indeed have the self or automatic Cleaning filter?

Can you get a couple of good photos of the back side with the motor tranny and all?

what do you want for this machine?


Post# 576064 , Reply# 29   2/15/2012 at 09:57 (4,425 days old) by 1966_mustang ()        

Saw another machine like this on here that had wood grain panneling on the front this was DOES NOT have that does it?

Post# 576130 , Reply# 30   2/15/2012 at 14:55 (4,425 days old) by Maturasigma ()        

cool, I really like the old whirlpool topload washers :)
a friend here in germany had one of those american old 1980īs toploaders and it runs perfect!! I must see this washer


Post# 576137 , Reply# 31   2/15/2012 at 15:12 (4,425 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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I would venture to say this one has the MagicClean filter....which version, hard to say...but its there..........

no manual filter is present inside the lid...........very few machines ever built did not have a filter one way or another....either self clean, or manual of some sort........

this could be a fun project of which manual filter to add, and how the water will be supplied........


one nice thing about this machine, is the dispensers......solenoid activated, and sucked down thru the pump and filter , diluted, before being introduced to the load.......


Post# 576174 , Reply# 32   2/15/2012 at 16:53 (4,425 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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I haven't decided what I'm going to do with this set. They're unusual enough that I want to keep them, but I can't save everything.

 

Decisions, decisions.....

No woodgrain on this one.


Post# 576201 , Reply# 33   2/15/2012 at 19:00 (4,425 days old) by 1966_mustang ()        

Ahhhh Goat man give an Ol boy in the dirty south a chance... LOL... either way I am excited about the 1966 model when you get more photos of.. Hint hint ;) Hey try and see if you can get a couple of shots of the motor and trany and all..


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