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Post# 575118   2/11/2012 at 11:46 (4,429 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)   |   | |
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Post# 575119 , Reply# 1   2/11/2012 at 11:47 (4,429 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)   |   | |
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Post# 575120 , Reply# 2   2/11/2012 at 11:49 (4,429 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)   |   | |
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Post# 575124 , Reply# 3   2/11/2012 at 12:13 (4,429 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 575158 , Reply# 5   2/11/2012 at 16:57 (4,429 days old) by 70series ( Connecticut.)   |   | |
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Very nice washer, and the 18 pounder too with the long post agitator. What year is this? I am suspecting 1970. Have a good one, James |
Post# 575633 , Reply# 7   2/13/2012 at 12:41 (4,427 days old) by 1966_mustang ()   |   | |
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Hey Mr, Goatfarmer, Was this the one that you said you could not get anymore photos on? I think that one was a little different wasn't it? thanks |
Post# 575639 , Reply# 8   2/13/2012 at 13:23 (4,427 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Post# 575641 , Reply# 9   2/13/2012 at 13:28 (4,427 days old) by rickr (.)   |   | |
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That is a very good point Yogitunes!
And that is exactly what I did with my 1956 Whirlpool... CLICK HERE TO GO TO rickr's LINK |
Post# 575651 , Reply# 10   2/13/2012 at 14:28 (4,427 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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Martin -
This machine would require a decent bit of re-configuration to have a manual filter. Two pumps could be used to supply a manual filter, the four port or the three port. Undoubtedly this machine came with a two-port pump. Those with the three-port style pump (less the little third port) and self-cleaning filters didn't hit the scene until ten years after this machine was built. Since it has self-cleaner, it depends on where that filter is and how it is supplied (by check valve or not) as to what would happen if a four-port pump was used instead. I'm not certain there would be water supply to the lower half of the four port pump with the current tub and plumbing. We'd have to see what filter WP used, and how much supplemental plumbing for the filter is already there. Some self-cleaning filters were were WP only, especially the one mounted at the bottom of the manifold trap. I am not as familiar with these and where they got their water from. If the much newer three port was installed, no plumbing is needed except from the little port to the filter, BUT there would be leftover hoses most likely from a side tub outlet that would need to be capped. The worst issue with that though is the plastic tub ring that would be required (unless you're going to drill a recess into this nice avocado top panel). This is a rare bird these days being a large capacity with a metal tub ring. This machine needs to stay as-is. Its the first machine I've seen to come along on the site here for several years that could use my mega Roto-Swirl. Now that would be FUN to see one day! I'm not stating the work can't be done, I'm just sayin'... Gordon |
Post# 575654 , Reply# 11   2/13/2012 at 14:47 (4,427 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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This is not the same machine as the one Kenny/Goatfarmer shared earlier that was temporarily inaccessible to photos besides the one. That one is white.
You say you can't figure out why this machine was made without a lint filter - it's because it has a self-cleaning filter, which was in all TOL and better MOL Kenmores and Whirlpools by the later 1960s. Gordon |
Post# 575655 , Reply# 12   2/13/2012 at 14:54 (4,427 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Gordon
Beg all you want..........this machine in particular like so many with a self clean filter only use a 2 port pump......in any configuration........the only exception would be if the machine had a detergent dispenser, to which a 4 port pump would be used....and can't be switched out for a 3 port...... I have 2 Whirlpools here.....one has a self clean filter, thru use of hoses and flapper valves, to the filter mounted in the lower left of the cabinet, the other one is the simple comb filter attached under the tub....no other plumbing required.....before I attempted to add the 3 port pump, I looked underneath, and its already there, capped off.....all I have to do is add a hose, and a filtering mechanism of choice.... chances are high, this machine in particular has only a 2 port pump...a simple switch out...and your set....... Kenmores were the only machines to use a 4 port, in a self clean filter machine.....and its only function was to flush the detergent dispenser...by way of a solenoid valve... |
Post# 575656 , Reply# 13   2/13/2012 at 14:59 (4,427 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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BTW....RickR.....that is a great machine....I love the setup and the changes you have done.....excellent......even adding that filter ups the drama all that much more.....
a few small changes.....but this can be done a number of ways.... RickR...did you tap into a 3 port for this....or did you tap into the tub for a 4 port pump? |
Post# 575657 , Reply# 14   2/13/2012 at 14:59 (4,427 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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Post# 575658 , Reply# 15   2/13/2012 at 15:05 (4,427 days old) by rickr (.)   |   | |
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Post# 575660 , Reply# 16   2/13/2012 at 15:38 (4,427 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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Martin -
Of course, all self-clean machines were fitted with a two-port pump except for the Kenmores with the detergent dispenser. There is no denying that. The WP you have with capped-off third port has a replacement pump if it has an under-the-tub disk filter. The original pump was the same, but without the third port. That pump went NLA shortly after BDs were discontinued, in favor of the 3-port with the cap and clamp. Yes indeed, if you un-cap that port, you can do any number of things with a hose added to it, including adding another filter, or making a fountain. That said, if you put a 3-port pump into an older machine like your other WP with the extra hoses and the flapper valve, none of that will be useable as the 3-port pump is mono-directional, it DOES NOT reverse flow. If you take that same older WP of yours, and add a 4-port to it, you have to supply the third and fourth (lower) ports somehow. The original filtration system would work fine using the top half of the four port pump, but without a water supply, the extra two ports would be dry. You would have to tap into the water from the flapper which is already going to cabinet mounted filter. This is what I was saying about this being possible, but not immediately easy. G This post was last edited 02/13/2012 at 18:27 |
Post# 575661 , Reply# 17   2/13/2012 at 15:44 (4,427 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)   |   | |
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No, this is a different machine altogether. I'm still working on digging that one out of my backroom. This avocado one is in a rented storage that I'm in the process of emptying.
Rick, small coincidence, but these machines came on the same load, and from the same location as a certain 56 Whirlpool Imperial dryer you know well..... |
Post# 575712 , Reply# 18   2/13/2012 at 17:39 (4,427 days old) by rickr (.)   |   | |
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Well, Kenny, you made a great haul that day! That has been quite a few years ago, it's time someone "adopts" those machines from you.
Gordon, I did not mean to imply that the filter could be added to the machine without adding the needed hoses, but nevertheless, the filter system could be added to any of the belt drive wp/km machines. Change out the pump, add the brackets and filter, and change whatever hoses are rotton, and needed to do it. After all, these are old machines now. They all should have hoses, seals, and bearings checked/replaced as needed. To think that a 40+ year old machine that has also sat for years can just be hooked up and used is just wrong anyway. It is best to do a full restoration before it is put into service. If you do not, something will break down shortly, even if it runs at all. |
Post# 575749 , Reply# 21   2/13/2012 at 20:25 (4,426 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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That ain't a black cap....that puppy is Chrome.....and can be polished to shine like no other.....
Whirlpool mainly only had a few agitators, first the 3 straight vanes...then the Surgilator was introduced...first it was only available in black bakelite, certain models decided if it had just a nub cap, a full black plastic cap, or a chrome one...the last 2 had "surgilator" imprinted on them...... later on came the poly-plastics, first a bluish white, and then pure white, "Super Surgilator" with slightly more extension on the bottom part of the vanes.....as years and models went on, you either got a full white cap, or chrome...and of course "Super Surgilator" stamped on top.... the last one is the Double-Duty Surgilator...with extra wings at the bottom and heavier/thicker vanes all the way to the top...white cap included..... others may correct me where I went wrong...... |
Post# 575753 , Reply# 22   2/13/2012 at 21:40 (4,426 days old) by rickr (.)   |   | |
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I forgot to explain how I got the source of water for the filter systems!
I was at work and kind of busy when typed the other stuff.... Sorry. The original tub in the 56 Whirlpool was rusted out, so I got a 61 Kenmore with a broken transmission case from Kenny, and I used it for parts for the 56 WP. The tub with the port, the suspention rods, (which were longer) and the filter sytem from the 61 Kenmore were used in the 56 Whirlpool. I also rebuilt the machine, and replaced all the seals and hoses with new. I tapped into the tub for the water source for the green 56 Kenmore, then had the tub welded at a welding shop, and coated the welded area with POR-15. I added the port for that machine, as it did not have one. I found the filter and bracket NIB for the Kenmore at an appliance parts store. I think it adds a lot of fun to have the waterfall filter, so it was worth the extra effort in my opinion. "If there's a will, there's a way" I always say. These are old washers, not Duesenbergs. If most of classic machines were not salvaged and repaired by some of the people in this club, they would have been scrapped years ago. There was a guy a few months ago that "hot rodded" an old blue Whirlpool with an oversize motor, ect. He was criticized by some for "ruining" the machine. Well, at least the dude did something with it, and obviously had fun doing it, and it was interesting to read about it, so thats great by me. I think thats what a hobby is all about, isn't it? |
Post# 575758 , Reply# 23   2/13/2012 at 21:54 (4,426 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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RickR
great job.....that waterfall is worth every cent....Niagra Falls has nothing on this....you have done a lot and it looks great...my heart goes to that filter....pure luxury....does it get any better than that? we all tweek in our own way.....some may work, others may not, trial and error...if it makes us happy.....so be it....and we are thankful for those who do the "changes" for the upgrades, better performers, or pure enjoyment...and for sharing the ideas..... |
Post# 575946 , Reply# 24   2/14/2012 at 17:03 (4,426 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)   |   | |
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I'll make sure I dig it out this weekend, I'm curious as to what it looks like under the hood, it's been a year or so since I've seen it. |
Post# 575948 , Reply# 25   2/14/2012 at 17:39 (4,426 days old) by lebron (Minnesota)   |   | |
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Post# 575949 , Reply# 26   2/14/2012 at 17:40 (4,426 days old) by lebron (Minnesota)   |   | |
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Post# 575977 , Reply# 27   2/14/2012 at 20:29 (4,425 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 576064 , Reply# 29   2/15/2012 at 09:57 (4,425 days old) by 1966_mustang ()   |   | |
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Saw another machine like this on here that had wood grain panneling on the front this was DOES NOT have that does it? |
Post# 576130 , Reply# 30   2/15/2012 at 14:55 (4,425 days old) by Maturasigma ()   |   | |
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cool, I really like the old whirlpool topload washers :) a friend here in germany had one of those american old 1980īs toploaders and it runs perfect!! I must see this washer |
Post# 576137 , Reply# 31   2/15/2012 at 15:12 (4,425 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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I would venture to say this one has the MagicClean filter....which version, hard to say...but its there..........
no manual filter is present inside the lid...........very few machines ever built did not have a filter one way or another....either self clean, or manual of some sort........ this could be a fun project of which manual filter to add, and how the water will be supplied........ one nice thing about this machine, is the dispensers......solenoid activated, and sucked down thru the pump and filter , diluted, before being introduced to the load....... |
Post# 576174 , Reply# 32   2/15/2012 at 16:53 (4,425 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)   |   | |
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