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The Daimler Benz has Arrived...Model 4842
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Post# 577949   2/24/2012 at 14:28 (4,415 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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After over a year of Procrastination, Research, Pros and Cons, reading Reviews,  I made my decision and Took the Plunge.

 

It's on the way in the door.





Post# 577950 , Reply# 1   2/24/2012 at 14:31 (4,415 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
All Hooked Up.

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I made the Decision on a Miele was for number of reasons. The quality alone is what sold me. Cast Iron Counter Weights, WiFi Diagnosis, Wireless Upgrades and Adjustments, and the On Board Heater.

Post# 577951 , Reply# 2   2/24/2012 at 14:37 (4,415 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
This is my First Front Load so...

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There will be some New Things to learn and I am amazed at all the Options.

The Express is 30 minutes and I was running this as a Flush Out before the First actual load.


Post# 577952 , Reply# 3   2/24/2012 at 14:37 (4,415 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
Nice!

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Do you already have the service manual?

Post# 577953 , Reply# 4   2/24/2012 at 14:40 (4,415 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
It's Sooooooooo Quiet

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My Laundry is right next to my Bedroom. I can't hear it running. The Drain Pump is the Noisiest Thing on the Whole Machine !!!

Sheets are in on Normal, Very Warm Wash starts at 1:05.

Money Shot after the Sheets come out.

It's sort of Bitter Sweet, I miss the sounds of the Maytags (they're still hooked up of course), But it's fun to have a New Toy so to speak.


Post# 577957 , Reply# 5   2/24/2012 at 14:49 (4,415 days old) by splittub (Europe)        

Funny you should mention Daimler Benz, who actually owned Miele's competitor AEG back in the day.

Post# 577959 , Reply# 6   2/24/2012 at 14:51 (4,415 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass)        

SWEET......but why not Speed Queen?????????????????????????????

Post# 577962 , Reply# 7   2/24/2012 at 14:56 (4,415 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Hi Alex.

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No Service Manual yet.

I certainly hope I won't need it for years to come !


Post# 577964 , Reply# 8   2/24/2012 at 15:02 (4,415 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))        
Nice!

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Congratulations Eddie. This is truly the "Hobart" of home laundry. While you may miss the sounds of the Maytags this will wash your clothes much better and be more efficient doing it.
Nick


Post# 577965 , Reply# 9   2/24/2012 at 15:04 (4,415 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Thanks Nick

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I'm watching the Sequence and the Countdown of Normal Wash.

This is sooo much better than the Crap on Television !!! LOL.


Post# 577971 , Reply# 10   2/24/2012 at 15:46 (4,415 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Wash Cylinder

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Money Shot #1

Post# 577972 , Reply# 11   2/24/2012 at 15:50 (4,415 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Cylinder Design

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Money Shot #2

Post# 577974 , Reply# 12   2/24/2012 at 15:59 (4,415 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Why not a Speed Queen ?

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For the most part I chose the Miele is because of the Heater.

My Kitchen clothes get spattered with a fair amount of Butter, Oil, and just plain food soil. And with the Heater, I'm hoping I won't need to use Bleach which will be an advantage for the Septic System. (Plus, I'm hoping once I get into the programming I'll find a recepe for a Gulasch and Spaetzle) LOL.

Also I have a Cousin in Esslingen, Germany and Hannah said to buy a Miele. And when Hannah Speaks... You had better listen !!!


Post# 577982 , Reply# 13   2/24/2012 at 16:47 (4,415 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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One thing to learn about the Miele is that the Normal cycle does not use the heater as it's the Energy Star cycle - so to speak.

I wasn't referring to the service manual in case you should need a repair but because it allows you to alter some setting, like raising the water level for the rinses by several inches.

Alex


Post# 577984 , Reply# 14   2/24/2012 at 17:02 (4,415 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Raising the water levels

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Really ???

I am rather impressed at the levels now. But there is always room for more Sloshing and Splashing.

Where would I find one of those manuals ? Thanks Alex for the heads up. Eddie


Post# 577986 , Reply# 15   2/24/2012 at 17:14 (4,415 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Yes, here's an example video:

CLICK HERE TO GO TO logixx's LINK


Post# 577987 , Reply# 16   2/24/2012 at 17:17 (4,415 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
Where would I find one of those manuals ?

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I just emailed them to you. ( -> potroast61 and so on)

Post# 577989 , Reply# 17   2/24/2012 at 17:28 (4,415 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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Very nice! This washer is very flexible and when you getting into the programming mode you can raise the water levels with water plus. The heater in my 4800 does kick in on the Normal cycle if the water is not hot enough. One thing with the drum, if you have pets and wash a blanket with let's say cat fur, it will make mats of fur. You may never need to use the Extended feature since it washes well without t. That said if you do use it I have noticed on mine that the clothes look a bit over worked and tired. So I never use it. Oh and try to use powder HE detergents. It does not like liquids.


Post# 577992 , Reply# 18   2/24/2012 at 17:37 (4,415 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        

She's pretty, best of luck, and I love how the Miele name is part of the glass door. Please post some pictures during a wash cycle, and maybe with a higher water level.
Best of luck
Mike


Post# 577993 , Reply# 19   2/24/2012 at 17:40 (4,415 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Thanks Alex

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For the e-mail. I'll get to them in awhile.

Hi Mike. I'm using Persil Universal Powder. I always use powders even in the dishwashers. I e-mailed Miele and he told me to start with 2 tablespoons and see how that works. So far for my sheets it worked fine.
Be back in a short while. Thanks again for the tips.


Post# 577996 , Reply# 20   2/24/2012 at 18:15 (4,415 days old) by washmeup (scottsdale)        
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I have this same Washer and also the companion Dryer! I Love them and they are almost silent.

Post# 577998 , Reply# 21   2/24/2012 at 18:23 (4,415 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        
Very interested:

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What's the highest spin speed and what's the hottest the water can get?


Post# 578002 , Reply# 22   2/24/2012 at 19:06 (4,415 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Temp and Spin

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The Wash Temp reaches 158 F

Highest Extraction is 1400 RPM

Yup. They're just about Silent.


Post# 578005 , Reply# 23   2/24/2012 at 19:36 (4,415 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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One thing too is that the washer doesn't pussyfoot around with balancing. It will do the graduated spin in the final spin. It extracts well and yes the pump is a tad noisy. Spin is very effective. Persil is a great detergent powder I love the MegaPearls Universal. Tide HE powder works very well in this washer. I tried Tide HE liquid and it was a disaster. Mega suds because of the drum design and it will add rinses to get rid of the suds. Then with mine I get the scolding Oversuds light lit up.

Post# 578006 , Reply# 24   2/24/2012 at 19:47 (4,415 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Balancing.

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I've watched YouTubes and have read about how some of the FLs take forever to balance a load. I watched this machine through 2 cycles and it really gets right to it.
I've been using Persil for about 2 years now (Maybe 3) and I love the scent and the performance. Guess I'll stick with a good thing.


Post# 578008 , Reply# 25   2/24/2012 at 19:59 (4,415 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Congrats!

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Have been considering either the 4**** or 3**** series to take some of the work off my W1070 and thus prolong it's life (and reduce service calls from Miele).

Both units pop up as used in good condition around here fairly often and usually can't be given away for love nor money, don't ask me why.

One thing that slightly bothers me is that the units must remain plugged in otherwise each time they are "restarted" the washer goes through setting up process. At least this is what one has heard and since one has several other appliances that require the outlet in that area (dishwasher, two washing machines, microwave, convection oven) that wouldn't be easy.



Post# 578012 , Reply# 26   2/24/2012 at 20:20 (4,415 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Thank You Laundress and Everyone

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It really is a Stunning Machine.

And once again, soooo quiet. The only time you really hear the motor is when it's ramping up to 1400. Once it reaches 1400, it's quiet and very smooth. I think I'll start another Wash.

Oh Yes, Mike : The Shredmore is hooked up as well on the Laundry Line with the Maytag 806. The Shredmore has been the designated "Dog Blanket and Car Towel Washer. The 806 will be used for Smaller/Partial Loads.


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Post# 578014 , Reply# 27   2/24/2012 at 20:34 (4,415 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Wow impressive machine!

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Congratulations Eddie!


Post# 578015 , Reply# 28   2/24/2012 at 20:34 (4,415 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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With my 4800 I rotate it out and back in and I dont have to do the set up at all...plug it in and load it up.

Post# 578017 , Reply# 29   2/24/2012 at 20:45 (4,415 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Really? Do you? Can You?

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Well that put's a completly different complexion on things. Thank you for that.

There are times when one wishes to wash larger loads and or items without having to use the local laundromat or endless loads in the W1070. Still as space for the 48XX would be tight something else would have to go.


Post# 578018 , Reply# 30   2/24/2012 at 20:53 (4,415 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
The "Line".

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This is the Line up.

I just noticed that the Wash speed starts out as a slow tumble and then picks up speed, then slows down, stops and reverses with the same sequence. Facinating !!!


Post# 578023 , Reply# 31   2/24/2012 at 21:49 (4,415 days old) by lebron (Minnesota)        
Wow

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These Miele machines are aweseome! Yours is beautiful, congrats. I love the large clear viewing window.

Post# 578024 , Reply# 32   2/24/2012 at 21:50 (4,415 days old) by STEVET (West Melbourne, FL)        
Congrats, Buddy

So! Now I know why I did not hear from you today!
That is a gorgeous machine but I am still partial to the top mounted controls like my old LG.

I have to wonder if the Meile cleans so well due to the smaller holes in the tub which might keep the water going thru the clothes for a longer period of time? Though I can see the point of thew animal hair being a problem. I thionk you should do a scientific test for claning with the same items stained in the same way and try them in the top and fl machines and show is the difference.
Like I mentioned to you the other day, I really don't think our Duet really clans all that well and that the LG did a better job.
If I can get to it, I may install a water softener in the house tomorrow and see if it makes a difference at all.


Post# 578025 , Reply# 33   2/24/2012 at 21:50 (4,415 days old) by lebron (Minnesota)        
Hint hint

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With that big window this machine begs for a video!

Post# 578030 , Reply# 34   2/24/2012 at 22:39 (4,415 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Hey Jeb and Steve... Thanks

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Hi Jeb.
I'm going to tweak (or try to) the Water Levels tomorrow. Then I'll throw together a video. I just finished watching a load of White Towels on "Extra Whites" which gave it a 140F Wash Temp.The Sanitize Cycle heats to 158F. And it's amazing how the Wash Tumble Speed slows down and then ramps up to almost a slow spin and then slows down again, then reverses and does the same thing. It's like there are little guys in the machine with Foul Weather gear on running around inside and they're carrying Clipboards reporting on what's going on in there.

Steve... The Wash Cylinder is really a unique design and to see it and touch it it's pretty wild. You can see the water riding on the surface of the cylinder.
Check out the link above to Miele. Click on everything and it really explains it all. I'll try to call you tomorrow if I can get my head out of that machine. LOL


Post# 578052 , Reply# 35   2/25/2012 at 04:20 (4,415 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Wonderful machine! I grew up with Miele, I still love them. We don't get this model in Europe, it would be a nice addition to the market here.

BTW, are you going to change your screenname now? lol


Post# 578061 , Reply# 36   2/25/2012 at 06:47 (4,414 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Hi Louis

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I think I'll keep the user name for nostalgic reasons.

Thank You, It is a Nice Machine. I wonder why they do not offer this model in Europe ?


Post# 578075 , Reply# 37   2/25/2012 at 07:56 (4,414 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Congratulations on your first FL, I`m sure your gonna enjoy it, looking forward to the vids and checking out those obscure cycles like woollens to see how it washes!!

Wouldnt mind seeing a pic of the larger filter arrangement when you can...

Keep washing, Mike


Post# 578141 , Reply# 38   2/25/2012 at 13:10 (4,414 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Eddie! Nice machine there

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That is a humdinger! We'll have to trade wash ins, you come do a load in my SQ's and I'll come do one in your Miele. Love the raised glass logo on the door!!!

 

And my question is fur, if you have something covered with dog fur, cat fur, how does it get out those holes to the pump?? Or is there "clean" fur in the drum at the end of the cycle?? Anyone with experience on this??

 

jon

 


Post# 578157 , Reply# 39   2/25/2012 at 13:59 (4,414 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Hi Jon

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I love your Queens !!! It was a tough choice. So when you got the Queens, I figured well,,, I'll get the Benz ! LOL
I don't have a fur critter right now but Mike (Nmassman) mentioned this earlier in the thread. I would imagine it's "Clean Fur". There does not seem to be any large openings at all in the cylinder.
It is quite a learning experience from using a toploader to this. Trying to figure out how to reset the water levels. I have been into the programming mode but I guess I'm doing something wrong as when saving the changes. The machine is perfoming just fine, but with the AW Gene in the body, Ya always need more "Wahdah".
Yes, perhaps the next time you head to Chatham, you should stop by and whirl a Laundry in the "Benz" !!! (I might even make lunch) Nice to hear from you. Eddie


Post# 578383 , Reply# 40   2/26/2012 at 09:41 (4,413 days old) by AZREOSpecialist ()        

I've had this machine w/ matching T9802 dryer for three years. Let me share some observations...

You can absolutely use liquid detergent, but reduce the quantities and wash at lower temps to reduce sudsing...

W4842 utilizes Miele's patented SpinClean technology which accelerates the drum motion to ensure clothes in the middle of the drum get pulled toward the outer edge, ensuring proper turnover and excellent wash results...

Due to the small holes of the Honeycomb drum, W4842 is not especially good at rinsing away pet hair...

Normal cycle does NOT use the heater under any circumstances despite what someone else said. It has been confirmed over on GardenWeb with a power meter that there is no power draw from the heater during the Normal cycle...

My go-to detergent is Tide HE Total Care (liquid) and I use Persil Universal Megaperls on my white loads...

THE BOTTOM LINE - I LOVE LOVE LOVE THIS MACHINE!


Post# 578388 , Reply# 41   2/26/2012 at 09:46 (4,413 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Couple of Quick Vids.

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It's been almost 2 years since I've done any Videos. So these are not edited. Just short ones.

I'll put something together of the Whole Shabang this week.

This is the First Rinse on Maximum Water Level(I think, seems fairly High)

Working on the 2nd one


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Post# 578391 , Reply# 42   2/26/2012 at 09:50 (4,413 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
1 st Spin

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1st Extraction after the first rinse. This I belive is 1,000 RPM. Not the Maximum Speed

Sunny Day in the LR. Sorry about the reflection. I'll do some tonight with a Max Fill Wash !! Ooooooooh !!!! Sunday Laundry Porn !!! LOL Enjoy.


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Post# 578445 , Reply# 43   2/26/2012 at 14:51 (4,413 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        

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Not too bad a level...but that's only a small load tumbling in it too...

Post# 578458 , Reply# 44   2/26/2012 at 15:30 (4,413 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        
I chose the Miele is because of the Heater

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The 4842 looks like a great machine, and one I'd consider getting, but seriously you can get internal water heaters with a large number of other brands of front loaders, from Electrolux to Whirlpool. Even the higher end high efficiency top loaders now have internal water heaters (LG and Whirlpool, for example). Of course, the Miele has higher quality than all the rest of the competition, and not for that much more $$$.

That said, I don't think any HE washer does very well at removing pet hair. It's a function of the lower water levels. Even the Neptune 7500, which uses almost twice as much water as more modern front loaders, and has bigger drum holes, leaves a fair amount of pet hair on stuff like blankets and throw rugs. This comes out in the dryer, instead.


Post# 578463 , Reply# 45   2/26/2012 at 15:50 (4,413 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Pet Hair

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If can fit will wash in the Whirlpool top loading portable. If not they go to the local laundromat's washers and dryers. Or at least washed in the Miele and dried in perhaps the Whirlpool dryer (if the things will fit), otherwise to the laundromat's dryers.



Post# 578464 , Reply# 46   2/26/2012 at 15:54 (4,413 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Well, Betty had better stay away with her two cups of dirty sand!  I'm surprised that it doesn't do a good job with pet hair (as well as other debris - sand, etc. I would imagine) for such a high end machine.  I've been using the 2003 LG washer in the garage and have been quite pleased with the (fine, short) pet hair removal ability.  I washed a small rug last night that Newton uses in the garage for a "bed" and though hairy and dirty, it was perfectly clean and hair-free when it finished.   We examined this Miele washer pretty carefully at the Mart during our annual trip there New Years day.  We couldn't find any provision for adding a rinse (or is the "Sensitive" setting doing that?) and we could find no way to drain/spin or rinse only.  Are there ways to program for these additional cycles not obvious on the controls?  I would love to see the programming options for this washer, keep us posted!


Post# 578495 , Reply# 47   2/26/2012 at 17:28 (4,413 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Reply 578012

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Is the Link to the Miele Web Page for the 4842. Click on Wash Programs/ Options.
There is a Drain Spin , Quick Rinse and the Extra Rinse is the Sensitive Option. There is even a Beach Towel Setting that uses a Cold Water Flush (No detergent) and Spin to rinse out sand. Not that I will be using that setting. This machine will NOT start the Coffee in the morning or Check the temperature on the evening's roast, LOL.
I looked at the water coming out of the drain hose and it was very clean after the 2 standard rinses before I went into the programming to Max. Water Level. I washed probably 5 loads on the Factory Settings and had Excellent Results.
I also was well aware of other machines that have Steam and Heater options. But after watching and listening to the Pros and Cons of Front Load machines for the past 4 years, and taking into consideration the Longevity of most major brands,(including Spyders corroding away and bearings going after 3-5 years, I chose Miele to be my machine of choice. And for what it's worth, Mother always said "You get what you pay for".


Post# 578563 , Reply# 48   2/26/2012 at 22:57 (4,413 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

Talking about getting you are paying for, I can't believe the price on that machine. $1900 for the washer and $1200 for the dryer, plus $300 ea for the pedestals.

That would mean that the entire set w/ pedestals would cost $3700... Damn!!

When I was looking at a set with pedestals, 1 yr old demo models were $4000 for the set w/ pedestals! If I had wanted them new, they would have been $4500!


Post# 578566 , Reply# 49   2/26/2012 at 23:26 (4,413 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)        

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Eddie what a BEAUTIFUL piece of machinary you have gotten yourself !

When I saw a Miele Brochure on the tub design it was interesting that they was inspired from a turtle.

Hexogon structures and little holes to reduce fabric damage.

 

I have five cats yes I had to adpot them from my friends passing at this point.

But I can tell you that NO washer even our beloved filter flows does not get rid of all hair or sand.

So I always remove hair in the dryer or black T-shirts goes through a 20 to 30 min half full basket on a no

heat program, then a wash.. sometimes in shedding sesson a lint brush plus air drying to get rid of hair.

Since I have not washed in that model I hope you give us results on that matter.

 

You have a great washer and I want to know how the pillow cycle works.

Are you not digging the 1400 rpm spin speed are you not out of the dryer in minutes ..LOVE that.

I have a product teardown I posted two years ago here .

I hope it is informative and shed a little more light on your subject.

 

I no since Miele had the honeycomb design the rest of the manufactures followed

by ther tub design ...

like...

Bosch with the teardrop basket

Samsung with ther little square patterns

LG with the bubble drums etc.

Hey a turtle who knew.. imagnation in people's minds are always surprising to me.

And I live to see the next phase in laundry,

Bad or good.

Greg nice picture Ben you look good styling that washer .

If you look this is not the turtle I was looking for but close.

Look at the Hexogon pattern in the middle of his head .

 

 

 


Post# 578567 , Reply# 50   2/26/2012 at 23:29 (4,413 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)        

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Here is the Teardown.

You will have a great time with this washer as all goes well.

 

Darren k



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Post# 578606 , Reply# 51   2/27/2012 at 06:34 (4,412 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Pillow Talk

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Hey Darren.
Thanks. I couldn't find the Pillow Programm, but there are many others. I really like this machine. I chose Miele because this company has been at it for a long time. And I just feel more confident with German Engineering than Korea or China. Yesterday I washed 4 Heavy Carhartt Sweatshirts and 3 pairs of Flannel Lined Jeans. The machine did not even wince at this load, but after the 1400 spin they were out of the dryer DRY in 25 minutes. Normally I would have just washed 4 sweatshirts and it would have taken 50-60 minutes.
I opted not to get the pedestal as the machine is a good height for me. And for $300... I can use the stretching execises.
You know I have a real problem these days justifing to pay the same price for a dryer as for the washer. A dryer has 1/4 of the components that a washer needs so where does that price come from ? I know people want the matching set, but I find it ridiculous to pay the same amount for the dryer. The Kenmore next to the Miele I bought last year Brand New for $379. And the clothes come out Dry.
Good to hear from you and hope things are good.
Oh, the species of the Turtle in the picture you posted is the "MieleMaximus" from that tropical Island off Germany's Coast. You can tell by the pattern on it's head. (Just Kidding)


Post# 578621 , Reply# 52   2/27/2012 at 08:12 (4,412 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Eddie its a beautiful machine,  i wish you the best of luck with it,  it looks to be very sturdy.  I am happy that you were able to get the one you really wanted.  arthur


Post# 578912 , Reply# 53   2/28/2012 at 02:01 (4,412 days old) by qualin (Canada)        
To toploader55

That was one of the things that put me off to Miele, for the simple issue that they wanted an arm and a leg for the dryer, while most other manufacturers sell the dryer for nearly half the cost of the washer.

In some ways, I wish they made vented front loading combos again... I'd buy two of them.


Post# 578938 , Reply# 54   2/28/2012 at 06:46 (4,411 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
To Qualin

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You shouldn't let that put you off about Miele.

Before I bought the Miele, I was in Sears looking at various Brands, and the Dryers were the Exact Same Amount as the Washers. At Least Miele was a couple of Hundred less. I believe (I'm not sure) it was either a Kenmore or Whirlpool Set and both Washer and Dryer were around $1500.00 a piece.


Post# 579752 , Reply# 55   3/2/2012 at 07:36 (4,408 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Lint Trap (per request for ChesterMikeUK)

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Here's the Procedure :

Open door and drop the Chute. Find a suitable pan to catch the water


Post# 579754 , Reply# 56   3/2/2012 at 07:38 (4,408 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Next...

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Open the Cover Slowly

There is roughly about 1 qt. of water in there. Actually surprised me how much.


Post# 579755 , Reply# 57   3/2/2012 at 07:39 (4,408 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Next

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Remove the assembly.

Not much to it. I thought there would be some type of filter arrangement, but this is it.


Post# 579756 , Reply# 58   3/2/2012 at 07:41 (4,408 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
And then...

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Check the Pump impeller for any foreign objects. Chicken Bones, Diamonds, Rubys, Precious Metals etc.

Post# 579757 , Reply# 59   3/2/2012 at 07:44 (4,408 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
And that's it.

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Reassemble, and Close the Door.

I found Nothing.

I've got the Water Level Higher on all the Rinses, but there is still some Magic I've got to figure out on the Wash. (Although, Everything is Washing and Rinsing Very Well.) The Water after the last Rinse is Crystal Clear.

I'll do some Videos after I figure out the Wash Level in a Seperate Thread.


Post# 579786 , Reply# 60   3/2/2012 at 10:50 (4,408 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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This is really a pump protector to keep foreign objects from blocking the pump and not any kind of lint filter. In many cases the washer could go through its entire life with out the need to remove anything from this pump protector.


Post# 579802 , Reply# 61   3/2/2012 at 12:16 (4,408 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Only older Mieles had a lint filter. My mother's W423 from 1975 had one that needed cleaning regularly.

Newer Mieles all have similar pump protectors. No cleaning needed.


Post# 579840 , Reply# 62   3/2/2012 at 15:28 (4,408 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        

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Generally speaking, there is no need for a lint filter on a front load machine at all as, compared to a top load machine, they generate next to none.

Louis, when you say 'needed cleaning regularly' - what sort of frequency are you talkiing about? Weekly/Monthly/Every load?


Post# 579852 , Reply# 63   3/2/2012 at 17:07 (4,408 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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I think we cleaned it every month or so. Before that machine my mother had a 1966 Bosch. It had a lint filter too. That one needed cleaning also rather frequent. If you didn't clean those filters often enough, draining would get slower and slower.

Post# 579866 , Reply# 64   3/2/2012 at 17:46 (4,408 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Well While "Lint" Per Se

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May not be a problem have found everything from collar stays to the odd small object trapped in my Miele's pump filter.

Also IMHO checking the sump/pump bilge water via the filter is a good peek into the overall general health of one's washer. If the thing and area is covered in mould that can mean anything from poor rinsing to under or over dosage of laundry products. Whatever the cause it seems to indicate to me that the final rinse water which is allowed to sit after washday is done contains enough bio matter to promote fungi growth.


Post# 579868 , Reply# 65   3/2/2012 at 17:53 (4,408 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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I was talking lint, really lots of lint. The filters would be full with it up to the point that no water could go through the filter anymore.

Post# 579871 , Reply# 66   3/2/2012 at 17:57 (4,408 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
What a Great Point Laundress...

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Checking the sump/bilge for the Overall Health of the Washer...

 

Yes, that is a Good Indicator.

 

I'm thinking that I don't ever wash in cold water, using powder detergent and Never Fabric Softner, I think the General Health of my machines (with a little LCB now and then) should remain consistantly good.  I will use the Clean Cycle Once a month with Bleach as Miele Recommends.   But as you saw today after maybe 15 loads the water in the "bilge" was clear.


Post# 579884 , Reply# 67   3/2/2012 at 18:37 (4,408 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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When cleaning out the pump filter of my Miele will keep a bottle of the stuff one uses to clean mould/mildew from bathroom surfaces. From the scent it's chlorine bleach based so keep it well away from the seals and what not. Still a good spraying, waiting period then good rinsing (of the actual filter and pump area) seems to do the trick.

After everything is put back together always run the washer either through several rinses or simply do a load of wash (usually at temps of 140F or above). This ensures any left over chlorine bleach is flushed out of the pump area and neutralised.

Am finding with using not only various soap based products (vintage Persil, most European liquid laundry/gel detergents), Ivory Snow, etc, it is very important to keep the pump and by extension other internal areas of the washer clean of the oil/fat residue from soap that can lead to mold growth.

Indeed am wondering if all the mildew and mould problems many Europeans seem to be having lately with their front loaders is because of the often soap laden liquid/gel laundry detergents that have taken over the market.

European laundry products have long contained some soap for various reasons, but it seems to me at least that ratio is increasing.


Post# 580004 , Reply# 68   3/3/2012 at 06:10 (4,408 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        
"Reassamble and close the door"

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Actually you`re not completely done with the procedure by then. After cleaning the pump it is advisable to fill her up a little by either starting any program then abort and switch to drain/no spin. You cold also simly dump the collected water into the drum and let her drain again. This will activate the valve which makes sure that the detergent of the following wash will be 100% used for the wash instead of sitting unused in the pump and sump area.

@ Launderess
I was surprised when you reported a while ago how gross your pump filter was. Had to check mine immediately, because I haven`t used powders in years and I also like FS. It was spic and span! I tend to rather overdose the detergent and underdose the softener and I love very hot washes. Guess this helps a lot keeping my Miele clean.


Post# 580040 , Reply# 69   3/3/2012 at 10:30 (4,407 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
"any Europeans seem to be having lately with their front

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Its part of the problem, but the bigger issue is the fabric Conditioner.....we love it, double concentrated and then still people will fill the dispenser of the machine, not even measure a capful or teaspoon full....load it up and go, and thats the issue....then in the last rinse all that gooky thick water is spun all over the machine and there it stays until the next wash....

We tested it with two new machines, the AEG and Hoover vision, one was used with liquid, (In The Tub) the other with powder (In The tub) no washing detergent entered the soap dispenser, (and hasnt done to this day - washers 3 yrs old) just fab con....hot and cool washes where used and green box powder with bleach - AND STILL the pesky black mold appeared in the dispenser drawer...

Nowthen, to the many who overload clothes, under dose on liquids & gels and OTT dose on fab con, use a low temp washes and dont clean the machine and leave the door closed...What are you gonna get!!!

Do you think they use their cars without basic top ups and services!!!..Hhmmmm...


Post# 580042 , Reply# 70   3/3/2012 at 10:32 (4,407 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Miele Sump Pump

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Thanks Eddie, was familiar with the domestic and commercial models here but just wanted to check they hadnt come up with something else...

Glad youre enjoying your new Miele machine, are you on a water meter at all, do you think your water bills will be significantly lower??

Cheers, Mike


Post# 580055 , Reply# 71   3/3/2012 at 13:15 (4,407 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Hi Mike.

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I'm on a water meter but haven't really taken any numbers down yet.

 

But I can say this... I'm going to guesstimate roughly that a Full Cycle Normal Wash is taking about 15 gallons tops. compared to 30-40 gal per cycle.

 

I'm glad I bought this for a "Daily Driver". Being on the Septic Tank, this should help out tremendously.

 

Next week, I'll have the time where I will drain off the Miele's Full Cycle into one of the Top Loaders and see what the Real Water Consumption is.


Post# 580074 , Reply# 72   3/3/2012 at 14:48 (4,407 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Hi Eddie,

They're beautiful machines, I really wish they'd bring the large capacity models to Australia now.

Chris, the early Miele machines have a pump protector that is like a collander, each hole is about 3mm x 3mm so everything that comes off the clothes gets caught in it. Pet hair, fluff from Blankets, and if you let a tissue go through the machine will not drain :).

My W423 does about 10 loads a month, I usually clean the filter once a quarter. There is then usually a solid layer of fluff to remove.



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