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Post# 578274   2/26/2012 at 00:08 (4,414 days old) by kacyc1 (Chico, CA)   |   | |
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Hello, I've been weighing my options in replacing my Jenn-Air JDB11AWS.
Here's what I want: Super Quiet 3 Racks Blast the crap out of those dishes power Love the angled top rack on my Jenn Air as my tall and long cookie sheets fit in. Here's what I'm looking at: I have a local dealer I have been shopping with for years that has a Miele G2830 Dishwasher for a steal (it's a really old display), but it's for a custom panel. I have Ikea cabinetry in my kitchen and thus this is not an option. Does anyone know if panels are still available for these? Also, it's white and would like both control panel and lower panel in stainless steel? Anyone know? Also anyone have any experience with the Asko D5654XXLHS line? Rack setup is unique, plus love all of the 'wash zones'. Also, the KitchenAid KUDE60SXSS. Matches all the rest of the appliances in my kitchen. Like the 'pro scrub' jets at the back. I have convection micro/hood, convection oven, and refrigerator. Very happy with all of the KA appliances, thus far. Also, like the LG LDF9932ST. Its seems its been discontinued and I'm having a hard time trying to find on either online or via retail (but really would like to see what the quality is like). Lastly, the Kenmore Elite 665.1397. I like the cleaning technology (dual bottom arms) and the turbo zone. Just wish it had a 3rd rack! Let me know your thoughts! Also if you have any pics of your dishwashers, etc... just for fun! Thanks, KC |
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Post# 578276 , Reply# 1   2/26/2012 at 00:23 (4,414 days old) by lebron (Minnesota)   |   | |
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Post# 578505 , Reply# 3   2/26/2012 at 17:45 (4,414 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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For a Brand New Machine.
My House Mates/Landlords have a Miele that is going on 13 years old. Last year was the first repair. Pricy ??? Yes. Load Flexibility ??? You Betcha. Quiet ??? You can barely hear it running. If you have it connected to the Waste T on your sink, the only time you'll know the machine is on is when it drains. I don't mind noise so I have a few KitchenAid KDS 18s and a KDS 20 for Built ins, and 5 Portables to break up the mundane task of loading the same machine everyday. LOL But I tell you it is sooo handy to have a protable close by when you either cook alot or entertain. It's great to have the "Extra Pair of Hands". |
Post# 578618 , Reply# 4   2/27/2012 at 07:51 (4,413 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Unfortunately you can't have supper silent with top cleaning performance. The best cleaning performance and capacity are the lower priced WP built machines with the disposer, WP some KMs and MT brands. The Mieles are supper silent but have Much smaller capacity messy filters and you face the possibility of one or more $500.00 repairs on the machine before it hits the scrap pile in 5-20 years. |
Post# 578920 , Reply# 7   2/28/2012 at 02:22 (4,412 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Hi Lebron!
Yes, I like my TOL LG dishwasher a lot. It has a third rack at the top for cutlery/silverware. The machine comes with regular silverware baskets for the bottom rack, but I've never used them. In fact, I don't even know where I put them, LOL. LG's 9932 has the cutlery rack, and is quite similar to mine, although the selection of cycles is a bit different. It's still listed at their website, so I'm surprised it isn't readily available. Maybe LG is about to unveil a new TOL machine. Other features I like: Single rack wash option (use it all the time); Steam (you get a dedicated steam generator with an LG); Dual-intensity washing: You can choose either gentle, normal, or powerful spray for either rack. This is nice when the bottom rack is full of pots/pans and the upper rack is full of lightweight plastics or glassware. You can wash the bottom rack with powerful spray and choose gentle spray for the upper rack. One big caveat: Consumer Reports lists LG dishwashers as the least reliable brand. Mine gets very hard use, is about three years old, and has never given me a bit of trouble. CR rates it very high (2nd only to a Bosch model), but they won't recommend it due to the reliability issues. |
Post# 579048 , Reply# 9   2/28/2012 at 14:22 (4,412 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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"You can't have a dishwasher with aggressive washing action while being quiet. (At least, not to my knowledge anyway. Someone correct me here?)"
Depends on what is aggressive means for you. Our Siemens (Bosch) dishwasher is pretty quiet at 46dB but still has a powerful wash action. The bottom spray arm easily throws the water all the way up to the tub's ceiling where it bounces off in all directions. Yes, it doesn't circulate ten gallons per second or whatever like a Hobart but it does a very good job on 99% of whatever I put in there. Small items like cookie cutters that I try to secure in the cutlery basket by putting cutlery items on top of it usually end up in the bottom of the tub because the water pressure just washes them out of the basket. And the dishwasher economical, too. I read the manual of the TOL Kenmore dishwasher with that touch screen and most cycle are around 120 minutes - even up to 3:25 hrs. in some cases. The One Hour wash is faster but does not dry the dishes and *only* consumes eight gallons. Well, the Quick Wash on our Siemens is 45 minutes including drying and need only a third of the water. Yes, some newer models are even more frugal - Whirlpool just released a dishwasher with a 1.6 gal cycle - but I'm fine with the 3.8 gallons our Siemens uses. As far as the "filter issue" is concerned - well, I'm not even gonna go there! The control panel on Miele dishwashers is easily interchangable, by the way. Alex |
Post# 579837 , Reply# 11   3/2/2012 at 14:38 (4,409 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains )   |   | |
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Try the new Samsung Storm-wash dishwasher that is out now..My Aunt bought my Dads side one and I used it for a month and that thing can clean like hell..It has two wash arms on the bottom well sorda it has a new type of main wash arm and then there is a small wash arm/wheel that is for heavy burnt food but I found that no matter what I put in that dishwasher in came clean.This dishwasher is rated number one it is made very well it is totally sealed and 48 D.B. in how loud it is..There is also a hard food disposer in it also and all for 800 bucks for the Stainless steel model.I am in the middle of getting my dream Kitchen and I am getting two of these now and save close to 3 thousand bucks cause I was going to get the Miele T.O.L. dishwashers.I love Miele dishwashers my Aunt has two of them in her house in Buck-head.I have two surrogate mothers my Dads Sister one and my Moms Sister is another my Moms Sister is well very well off to say the least but she loves me like her kid even though I am gay,sad thing to say she is more accepting than my Mom about the gay thing.Most my family is right wing nuts that hate me cause they think there they only ones going to heaven but they are so filled with hate..... |
Post# 580039 , Reply# 12   3/3/2012 at 10:17 (4,408 days old) by bosch2460 (Harrisonburg, VA)   |   | |
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Post# 580137 , Reply# 13   3/3/2012 at 19:22 (4,407 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Yes get the Miele, you pay now and you keep paying till you get tired of paying and then you buy a reliable [ full sized ] DW. I said that I have a three year old Miele DW on the trash pile that looks like new, we see these trashed all the time along with Askos and Bosch DWs. They are just too difficult and expensive to repair, usally after a few repairs they are trashed and I have never had a customer buy a 2nd one. |
Post# 580144 , Reply# 14   3/3/2012 at 19:52 (4,407 days old) by bosch2460 (Harrisonburg, VA)   |   | |
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HAHA, I still say go with Miele. Just because you are "in the business" of repairs does not always make you right. You are a repair man, and you see only the negative side of it. You also only see a small percentage of European appliances, compared to domestic. What about all of the others who love them? I hardly think you get customers calling up telling how much they love their major appliances. While your opinion might be valued, that is all that it is. An opinion. And just like yours, I have the right to mine. I happen to be a die-hard Miele fan, for modern laundry and dishwashing purposes.
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Post# 580184 , Reply# 16   3/4/2012 at 03:31 (4,407 days old) by kacyc1 (Chico, CA)   |   | |
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Thanks so much for all of your responses! My Miele I wanted got sold, so now I'm back to the drawing board. I'm leaning towards a Kitchen Aid so all of my appliances match, but right now no one is having any great sales so I'm just waiting (did I mention I'm very frugal?). Thanks again for all your input!
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Post# 580227 , Reply# 17   3/4/2012 at 10:19 (4,407 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)   |   | |
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with John. German products tend to have a very characteristic engineering philosophy. Every German car we've owned, for example (Benz & BMW - never had a VW/Audi but told they are the same or worse; my sister's had nothing but continuous intractable problems with her '08 A-6, and just went back to an Infinity M35) has, for example, been extremely trouble prone and expensive to own and repair due to the typical German tendency toward over-complicated engineering in a futile attempt at achieving some sort of technical nirvana. Ever use the i-Drive display on a 5 series? Overcomplicated troublesome PITA. Only Germans would come up with a 4 ball joint front-end costing $2K every 40k miles. V8 engines with bad crankshaft oiling, poor cooling passages in heads. Sketchy fuel injection software. Sure they drive just great.. when they work. We too went back to Japanese cars that are dependable.
Consumer Reports does not rate either Miehle or Bosch highly in the Repair category, and it's not at all surprising due to that proclivity to overcomplicate. In engineering simple is best. It's not opinion, it's supportable fact, direct from owners, the only source of this kind of repair data. For some people German products are about the features, for some, status, or maybe some bogus German "quality" legend overhang from the old air-cooled VW beetle days. When you can buy 3 good anything for one of the over-priced Teutonic primadonnas it's not exactly practicality that's at the forefront, if that's of any concern. Maybe it's not. We totally bought into the legend, heck, my partner is German, family from Stuttgart and Dresden: Dietrichs and Wolfels, it doesn't get any more German than that. But in the real world, long term, the products, while occasionally technically brilliant, tend to be for those who don't particularly care about bang for the buck. Porsches & BMWs are fabulous to drive, but don't expect to do so on the cheap. For those that like them, fine, but show me those bills in 10 years. Too bad Lexus doesn't make washers. Now those I'd buy. Rant over & out. |
Post# 580230 , Reply# 18   3/4/2012 at 10:42 (4,407 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)   |   | |
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Post# 580457 , Reply# 20   3/5/2012 at 09:04 (4,406 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)   |   | |
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"German machines here... are known as the most reliable"...
Well, after MG, Rover, and Austin, that's not too surprising! LOL Try Japanese makes if you want the most reliable. The Japanese consider Germans to be slackers. LOL According to leading authority JD Power, German cars have had among the worst repair records over the last 10 years. I'll stand by CRs Repair data and John combo52's decades in repair. |
Post# 580494 , Reply# 21   3/5/2012 at 11:49 (4,406 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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