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What model Kitchenaid dishwasher is this? |
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Post# 578891   2/28/2012 at 00:45 (4,438 days old) by barcoboy (Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 578918 , Reply# 1   2/28/2012 at 02:18 (4,437 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))   |   | |
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Post# 578961 , Reply# 2   2/28/2012 at 08:42 (4,437 days old) by barcoboy (Canada)   |   | |
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Thanks whirlykenmore78. This particular dishwasher appeared in an online classified site in my home town. I've contacted the poster for more information, but so far have not heard back. They are asking $100, and list in the ad "for quick sale", but I can see the ad has been online for 50+ days. What do you think this dishwasher is worth, and what should I check for if I decide to go and look at it?
Also, is there a guide, either in these forums or somewhere else, which lists the different models of Kitchenaid dishwashers from back before Whirlpool bought them? I keep reading that everyone says the KDS-18 is the best model out there, but why is that? If there was something which had the different models listed, how they were different from each other, and what advantages/disavantages each had, it would help someone like me who is looking to buy their first one. Thanks. |
Post# 579086 , Reply# 3   2/28/2012 at 17:02 (4,437 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))   |   | |
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For The best information pertaining to all things KitchenAid and Hobart you should create a thread asking our Stevet for his assistance. He works for Hobart down in Florida and is a walking encyclopedia about every dishwasher they ever made. He may even see this thread and post something here.
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Post# 579097 , Reply# 4   2/28/2012 at 17:54 (4,437 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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$100 seems kind of steep to me, unless the machine is in next-to-new condition. About a year ago a member here picked up a barely used KDS-21 for $35. Then again, you could easily pay $500 for a brand new machine that won't last a fraction as long as that KDS-21, but will take three times as long to get the dishes done. |
Post# 579108 , Reply# 5   2/28/2012 at 18:21 (4,437 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)   |   | |
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Post# 579127 , Reply# 6   2/28/2012 at 19:47 (4,437 days old) by barcoboy (Canada)   |   | |
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OK, well I'll give Stevet a chance to see this post, and if he doesn't reply, I'll start a new post asking for information. I agree that $100 is a little on the expensive side, again depending on condition. Unfortunately, the ad only contained the one picture, so I only have that to go on for right now. And of course luck would have it that I have gotten sick, so I won't be able to go see it for a few days at least... that is, if it is even still for sale.
The stupid thing is... I could have had what I think was a KDS-18 for free. When my older brother bought his house a number of years ago, a large barn full of all kinds of stuff came with it. In the barn were two old dishwashers: a KDS-18 and an Inglis. Seeing as the Inglis looked in better shape (and had an electronic control panel), I took it home with me to restore, but looking back I guess I should have taken both of them. The Inglis is now my primary dishwasher, replacing a BOL Hotpoint, but it still doesn't clean dishes properly like my parent's older Kitchenaid does (not sure what model it is). So I decided it is time to get me an older Kitchenaid of my own. |
Post# 579181 , Reply# 9   2/29/2012 at 00:37 (4,437 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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BJ, it was actually Nate who I was referring to (see his lament further up). Interestingly, he found his KDS-21 at a Habitat ReStore/SVDP complex, and as I recall that one also had an inlet valve issue, but it may have been as simple as just needing the correct fitting for the supply line.
Steve, thanks for the comparison of the 18-20 series against the 21's & 22's. Just based on looks alone, I prefer the 21 and 22 series Superbas over the 18-20's, particularly the Monterey models with their sleek and timeless control panels. |
Post# 579228 , Reply# 10   2/29/2012 at 08:09 (4,436 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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The WP Power- Clean Pump is a superior performer to the KD 21 and 22 Hobart designed pumps. On the KD 21s and 22s you still had to clean a messy filter and removable trap to clean by hand and all the final rinse water is exposed to this food waste, most food chunks never got to the disposer. The WP pump has a true disposer blade that grinds chunks of food, fruit pits, kernels of corn, small bits of bone, even broken glass until the particles are less than 3/16" in size and then they go through a centrifugal separator where they are removed from the water stream and held in the separation chamber and flushed away with each drain cycle. The WP PC pump also has the extra fine filter to catch tiny light things like particles of pepper. You will almost never see any food laying in the bottom of one of these DWs and when we work on the pumps on these machines there is never even a thimble full of residue of any kind left in the pump assembly.
All that said the KD 21 and 22 pump assemblies were the best pump and motor combination ever put in a KA home DW. It was very strong and robust and fixable pump, it was Hobart's final and best effort. KA DWs were well designed and very well built machines but they were falling behind by the 1980s and they were losing money, which is why they got sold to WP. By the 80s the WP PC, KM Ultra-Wash , GE Mulit-Orbit and MT DWs were all out performing KA DWs.
KA never got rid of the messy filters, never made a DW that would heat the main wash to a guaranteed temperature, so you had to keep your water heater at 140 and if you ran low on hot water while the machine was running cleaning and drying results suffered. And by the 21 series and later they only had one final rinse, after WP bought KA we were sometimes taking out new KAs and giving the customers new WP power-Clean machines to dissatisfied customers because the KAs did not clean or dry as well as the WPs did.
I do love KA DWs over DW history they are one of the most significant DW builders. I have three KA DWs in my two homes, but I like to be honest about what these great machines can and cannot do. |
Post# 579267 , Reply# 11   2/29/2012 at 10:44 (4,436 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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I recently got a KDSC-18 for a friend of mine for 30$. It's in relatively good shape but he doesn't like it that much. He mostly wanted something inexpensive to fill the dishwasher spot in the cabinets in his new house as the even older Inglis Royal that was left in the garage was looking bad... The racks in the Kitchen Aid aren't that bad but could be better and one of the detergent dispensers has a small leak. |
Post# 579300 , Reply# 12   2/29/2012 at 12:14 (4,436 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)   |   | |
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Post# 579325 , Reply# 13   2/29/2012 at 13:32 (4,436 days old) by barcoboy (Canada)   |   | |
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Thanks everyone, especially stevet and combo52 for the information. Still haven't received a reply from the seller... not that I'm in any hurry because I'm still not well enough to go and see it. I've got gout in my knee, and Monday night I experienced some of the worst pain in my life until the medication kicked in.
I did a little searching on this forum, and I think that the dishwasher I let go wasn't a KDS-18, but a KDI-21A. I still should have kept it. firedome, you beat me to it... I was going to say the same thing to PhilR. I'm around an hour away from him and would gladly drive over and pick it up. |
Post# 579478 , Reply# 14   3/1/2012 at 01:28 (4,436 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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