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Post# 579534   3/1/2012 at 10:51 (4,431 days old) by jetawayjuan (Michigan/Phoenix)        

Hi just wanted to know what you guys think of the whirlpool cabrio? I just ordered a set yesterday. washer wtw7600xw and dryer wed7600xw. Tell me what you think!




Post# 579955 , Reply# 1   3/3/2012 at 00:19 (4,429 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

Congratulations on your purchase, but in all honesty I'm not a big fan of this style of machine or it's wash action.

These kinds of machines tend to be very hard on clothing because they don't fully submerge the clothing in water. The washplate rubs up against the clothing, for me it's almost sickening to watch. I've also heard that this style of wash action is only really good for lightly to medium soiled clothing, but doesn't fare very well with really muddy or heavily soiled clothing. (Due to the lack of water.)

If you can still take this set back or cancel your order, I would recommend doing so and going with a more conventional top loading washing machine which uses normal (ie. high) water levels and a conventional center post agitator. It'll do a much better job cleaning your clothing.

Another thing to keep in mind is that these washers don't do a very good job of dissolving powdered detergent. It's especially noticeable on black clothing. Use liquid detergent whenever possible.

The last (And the best) of the "Conventional" top loading washing machines are made by Alliance Laundry Systems under the name of Speed Queen. For the amount of money which you spent on this set, you could have picked up a set of Speed Queens instead and they'd be of a much higher quality.

Now, in saying that, I believe Whirlpool still makes a conventional top loader, the WTW4800XQ. If price is an issue, then this is an alternative.

If you've made up your mind though, please post videos so we can see first hand, the washing action of these machines.


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Post# 579957 , Reply# 2   3/3/2012 at 00:38 (4,429 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

Here is a youtube video of the washing action of one of these machines...





You'll notice the video is around an hour long. My GE Top load can do a load in 35 minutes.

Here's a Speed Queen AWN542 washing a load of about the same size:





You'll notice these two washing actions are very very different..

The Whirlpool "Scrapes" the clothing, you can see it bouncing off the washplate. Whereas the Speed Queen has the clothing "Flow" through the water, turning over in a toroidal action. This is how you can get a load clean in 8 minutes of agitation.

Like anything, water needs to flow through clothing to clean it, this is why conventional top loaders have such a fast wash cycle. Front loaders also work on this principle, but they do it in a different way. HE Style machines use a small amount of water, but in order to get around that issue, you need a lot of mechanical action to make it work. More mechanical action = More wear and tear on the clothing.

I'm sorry to be dissing your decision, but this is a washing machine forum after all!

I still can't figure out why I get sick to my stomach every time I watch washplate style washers doing their thing...

The only effective way to wash clothing without using a lot of water is a front loader, plain and simple. Smaller front loaders may work in your laundry room if you don't mind doing more loads.


Post# 579986 , Reply# 3   3/3/2012 at 03:44 (4,429 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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Believe it or not, there are people who do love their Cabrio & Bravos washers. There is another forum where some folks have said that it gets even really dirty clothes clean, then you have those that say the exact opposite. Each group of people seemed to be detailed with their statements so I can only assume they were following directions and knew how to use the machine propery. So I have no idea what to think when it comes to these type of machines. Personally, I wouldn't want one based on the washing/Rinsing action videos I've seen.

Post# 579988 , Reply# 4   3/3/2012 at 04:17 (4,429 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

Here's a video I found on youtube which reviews the Maytag Centennial MVWC400XW, the brother to similar Whirlpool machines:





This is a clear demonstration of the issues these machines have dissolving powder.

Either that or she was using too much soap...


Post# 580117 , Reply# 5   3/3/2012 at 18:25 (4,428 days old) by limitededition ()        
read the directions

The reason people complain is because they do not read the directions I have reclaimed a Maytag Bravos and a Kenmore Oasis from the trash, both wash very well and I have not had a problem with tangled clothing, dry spots or any other complaints that I have seen posted. One thing I will say they do not like money more especially change I have seen several with bad drain pumps hole in side of housing etc.from change going down the pump. Check your pockets and you will have no problems.

Rick


Post# 580166 , Reply# 6   3/3/2012 at 23:20 (4,428 days old) by BobbyD32L ()        

I have owned a Cabrio since they where released back in 2005ish. It has been extremely reliable and when loaded properly the rollover and wash action is very good. This is a video that I took a while ago that shows this. We have never had any issues with damaged clothing, tangling, or pretty much any complaint everyone has about these machines. I love the machine! The only downfall is coins get into the pump very easily, and to get them out requires removing the tub (which is really easy to do, so the inner and outer tub get a nice cleaning when this happens!)

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Post# 580176 , Reply# 7   3/4/2012 at 01:34 (4,428 days old) by qualin (Canada)        
To LimitedEdition

Agreed with you about the directions.

I've heard these kinds of washers are really fussy about how clothes are loaded into the basket, as that can change the ability for it to clean them properly. What are your experiences?

Bobby, glad to hear you are happy with yours. The video you posted shows great washing action, it's actually using a decent amount of water! :-)






Post# 580195 , Reply# 8   3/4/2012 at 06:22 (4,428 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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That Cabrio video is using A LOT of water. No wonder you don't have any complaints. The vids I've seen don't use nearly that much water. Is this the Bulky Cycle or something? Or perhaps your machine is from 2005 (not current ones being sold) could be the reason it uses more water? I wouldn't have a problem owning this washer if it used that much water.

Post# 580200 , Reply# 9   3/4/2012 at 06:35 (4,428 days old) by brastemp (Brazil)        

I think the model Cabrio / Bravo with direct drive motor is more efficient to have a strong rotation and recirculation that helps to wet the clothes and dilute the soap.

Post# 580207 , Reply# 10   3/4/2012 at 06:53 (4,428 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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That washer is set to the Sheets cycle.

The wtw7600xw is one of the nicer Cabrios with the recirculation system, I think. Nice!


Post# 580355 , Reply# 11   3/4/2012 at 19:59 (4,427 days old) by norgechef (Saint George New Brunswick )        
Cabrio machines are the worst machines ever......

Sorry to inform you but after 2 years the bearings will be shot and possibly a leaking seal, in 2 years let me know if there is any noises, if not then it proves all the reviews wrong but from what i compiled on youtube and reviews they arent worth at all what you pay......and in the 2-5 years that they do work they use water so sparingly that it will most likely ruin even towels after 20-30 loads.........always read the reviews first! im not trying to be mean but what im saying is very true in most cases.....

Post# 580363 , Reply# 12   3/4/2012 at 20:26 (4,427 days old) by BobbyD32L ()        

The machine was set to the sheets cycle. It uses the most water. The normal cycle uses less, but if its loaded properly, even with the lower water level it still moves the clothes just as well. Norgechef, I have never heard anything from this machine, its working just as well as the day that I bought.

Post# 580425 , Reply# 13   3/5/2012 at 04:42 (4,427 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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So the current Cabrios operate exactly like this older Cabrio? Or no?

Post# 580590 , Reply# 14   3/5/2012 at 16:26 (4,426 days old) by BobbyD32L ()        

They operate the same way, but the normal cycle uses less water in the newer machines due to the wonderful standards. I always use the Sheets or heavy duty cycles because they do use more water which is the same for the newer ones. However they don't use as much, but not significantly. I can't remember what the Whirlpool rep told me, but it was 3-5 gallons less

Post# 580619 , Reply# 15   3/5/2012 at 18:28 (4,426 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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that has beautiful wash action with plenty of water.....

question:..can the pressure switch on these machines be adjusted with a screwdriver?....


Post# 580639 , Reply# 16   3/5/2012 at 20:44 (4,426 days old) by BobbyD32L ()        

Nope... the pressure switch is controlled electronically. There is no adjustment screw. Already tried. It WILL fill all the way if there is enough weight in the tub. It measures by spinning the tub once the lid has locked. Its pretty neat. It always picks the right amount. The clothes ALWAYS move like that. Large blankets move a lot slower however, which is why I like the Heavy duty because it almost has a catalyst type washer action where it adds a small amount of water, recirculates this and the detergent then spins. It repeats this for about 15 minutes then proceeds to washing.

Post# 580722 , Reply# 17   3/6/2012 at 06:22 (4,426 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Proper Loading

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I think these new HE TL machines need to be loaded with the same care you would load a dishwasher.

Malcolm


Post# 580732 , Reply# 18   3/6/2012 at 07:27 (4,426 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
WP Built Cabrios Etc.

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These machines work quite well and almost all of our customers that have them like them overall. I feel the worst thing about them are long cycles. I still like he Calypso better as it is more aggressive and rinses better, but it can be harder on clothing if you chose the wrong cycles and don't sort properly.

 

There have been a lot of main seal and bearing failures on Cabrio style machines and like FL washers most of these are traceable to using too little and or cheap detergents and cold water washing. The good news is that you can now have just the bearings shaft and seal assembly replaced without replacing the entire outer tub.


Post# 580758 , Reply# 19   3/6/2012 at 10:46 (4,426 days old) by jetawayjuan (Michigan/Phoenix)        

Thanks guys for all the feed back it has been very helpful.The comment about the seal failure,I didnt know there was such a thing of using too little detergent and that cold water washing may cause damage to the unit I going to have to check into that thank you. Think I will be ok with the detergent I use because there is only three brands that I will buy(1Tide)(2Cheer)(3Gain)lol!!! I once loved Wisk but now that sun Brand makes it I just cant bring myself to buy it!! lol

Post# 580770 , Reply# 20   3/6/2012 at 11:55 (4,426 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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Thats the big thing about the newer style machines.......EDUCATION....not like they actually knew what they are doing with a regular traditional TLer....but as with anything, people don't learn from the mistakes, and its easier to blame a machine than themselves for poor results or machine failure......


just read another article in the paper of proper washing......and the main thing is to conserve energy.....as usual....but yet none are comparing how much energy you can save over a 3 gallon hot wash versus what the dryer consumes to dry a load, when theres free energy from the sun to hang your clothes out to dry!...

theres all talk about the washers....but none about the dryer.....


Post# 580772 , Reply# 21   3/6/2012 at 12:05 (4,426 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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Good point on the dryer! You're right. No one says anything about the energy they use. Way more than a washer. Even todays dryers use more energy than an old fashioned top load washer.

Post# 582226 , Reply# 22   3/13/2012 at 20:04 (4,418 days old) by WP-Dude22 (Trinidad and Tobago )        





this version of the he toploader does not work well its the belt drive edition

idk if ts just me but if im buying a he impeller style washer i am gonna get a fisher and Paykel they started it and they have better turn over than wp counterpart in my opinon but i wont buy my mother this kind of washer cuz ppl in my family dont read manuals and they dont listen to me so when they break they washer i charge them to fix it now lol

but they seem to be nice washers for persons who read and load them correctly like i would its about 7000 for 1 down here.



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