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Post# 580292 3/4/2012 at 15:07 (4,426 days old) by lordylord ()
Checkrate/Likes Hi! I'm John from Northumberland. Just wanted to say hi to everyone. I'm 26 live and work in newcastle and i've been interested in washing machines and dryers since i was about 12... I'll ad some pics of the machines we had when i was growing up

Post# 580293 , Reply# 1 3/4/2012 at 15:11 (4,426 days old) by lordylord ()
Checkrate/Likes Not my pic but i was only 11 when my parents got rid of this machine.

Post# 580294 , Reply# 2 3/4/2012 at 15:12 (4,426 days old) by lordylord ()
Checkrate/Likes We got AEG Oko_Lavamat 6100 in 1996 with a matching dryer.

Post# 580297 , Reply# 3 3/4/2012 at 15:22 (4,426 days old) by lordylord ()
Checkrate/Likes Again not my pic but ours was like this

Post# 580298 , Reply# 4 3/4/2012 at 15:25 (4,426 days old) by lordylord ()
Checkrate/Likes The First AEG lasted until 2004 then my parents bought an AEG 72640. The lavatherm dryer lasted another couple of years. Again not my pic :-/

Post# 580299 , Reply# 5 3/4/2012 at 15:28 (4,426 days old) by lordylord ()
Checkrate/Likes The Aeg Dryer packed up in 2006 and we bought a Creda Simplicity Dryer. Cant remember the model number but it was the reverse model, it was rubbish so we only kept it about a year.

Post# 580300 , Reply# 6 3/4/2012 at 15:29 (4,426 days old) by lordylord ()
Checkrate/Likes Shoud have added this at the start but forgot. We had the matching dryer to the Hotpoint 9534. Hotpoint reversomatic dryer plus. No idea of the model number.

Post# 580301 , Reply# 7 3/4/2012 at 15:33 (4,426 days old) by lordylord ()
Checkrate/Likes The creda dryer was sold and we bought a Zanussi which i dont have photos of...

Post# 580303 , Reply# 8 3/4/2012 at 15:36 (4,426 days old) by lordylord ()
Checkrate/Likes The AEG 72640 Washer lasted until 2010.. Only 6 years and the pcb went apparently. Now my mum has a Siemens. She only bought it because it had a 5 year guarantee.

Post# 580304 , Reply# 9 3/4/2012 at 15:37 (4,426 days old) by lordylord ()
Checkrate/Likes They don't make a basic dryer but she got this one ex display from fenwicks. A bargain at �290!! With a 5 year guarantee.

Post# 580307 , Reply# 10 3/4/2012 at 15:41 (4,426 days old) by lordylord ()
Checkrate/Likes I moved out and bought myself a re-furbished Miele W504 off ebay for �120!! I've just sold it on as i needed some spare cash. I've bought an old AEG 6100 like the one we had when i was a kid. Picking it up next week.

Post# 580309 , Reply# 11 3/4/2012 at 15:51 (4,425 days old) by dyson2drums (United Kingdom)
Checkrate/Likes Hi John :) Welcome to automaticwasher I grew up with a hotpoint 9534, was an amazing machine. Loved the spin ramp on the final spin from distribution to 1000rpm. Siemens, nice machines your mother has there :)

Post# 580323 , Reply# 12 3/4/2012 at 18:00 (4,425 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)
Checkrate/Likes *Hi John* Welcome to the group. Between you and your parents you have had some lovely machines. Look forward to the pic's of your "new" AEG. PaulC

Post# 580474 , Reply# 13 3/5/2012 at 10:40 (4,425 days old) by lordylord ()
Checkrate/Likes Hi Guys. I remember the Hotpoint 9534 vaguely as it only lasted till 1996 (i was 11). My parents bought it around 1987, my grandparents had a New Generation from around 1984/5 which had a 1000 spin and a chrome door, i cant remember the model number. This is the machine i remember the most growing up, she had it until 1998 when it was replaced with a Hotpoint Aquarius WM63 which i hated hahaha. I used to sit next to her in her utility room watching the washing then help her peg it out in the summer months. I loved the AEG 6200 that my mum had. I wish i'd never let her get rid of it. Hence i'm looking forward to getting the "new" one hahaha. The Siemens is a good basic washer. It cleans well but its very unexciting and conservative and it has the loudest end of cycle signal you've ever heard!

Post# 580479 , Reply# 14 3/5/2012 at 11:00 (4,425 days old) by lordylord ()
Checkrate/Likes This is the one my grandma had. A hotpoint 95452 she had the same dryer as my mum though.

Post# 580481 , Reply# 15 3/5/2012 at 11:03 (4,425 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)
Checkrate/Likes Welcome home! :-)

Post# 580487 , Reply# 16 3/5/2012 at 11:18 (4,425 days old) by HotpointFan (United Kingdom)
Checkrate/Likes *Hello!* Welcome! Such a wonderful collection of machines you have had the privellege of growing up with! We had a Hotpoint 95620 whick broke when I was 2/3. I had a Casdon Hotpoint toy and used to play with that and watch the machine at the same time! We own a Creda T510VW which is the uni - directional version of the machine you say was ruubish. Also, I have a Hotpoint Aquarius WM62 at my caravan like your grandparents had! Thanks and enjoy the club :) Jacob :D P.S: Are you on YouTube?

Post# 580492 , Reply# 17 3/5/2012 at 11:40 (4,425 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill Home of the RailwayTrials Merseyside,UK)
Checkrate/Likes *Welcome John* The pic thread was great, so easy to see your washer timeline, you`ll have lots of pics, posts & vids to catch up on here and I`m sure it will be good to hear more of your stories... Any family work at the big detergent company up there?? Cheers, Mike

Post# 580537 , Reply# 18 3/5/2012 at 14:14 (4,425 days old) by lordylord ()
Checkrate/Likes No P&G workers in my family unfortunately... :-( i have tenants in a rental property that work for P&G and omg their house is amazing. Its just full of P&G products. Never short of washing detergent... Hopefully when the AEG is plumbed in i'll be able to do some videos and get some pictures. I'll get pics of my parents Siemens duo too. I haven't got a youtube channel at the moment. Maybe i should open one.

Post# 580539 , Reply# 19 3/5/2012 at 14:19 (4,425 days old) by lordylord ()
Checkrate/Likes *Dryer* Forgot to add to the picture thread. My tumble dryer which is a white knight 44AW its a good basic dryer!

Post# 580542 , Reply# 20 3/5/2012 at 14:29 (4,425 days old) by lordylord ()
Checkrate/Likes Also found the dryer that we had after the creda. This was a great dryer! I sold it to a collegue when my Mum bought the siemens. Its a Zanussi TD4212..

Post# 580547 , Reply# 21 3/5/2012 at 14:42 (4,425 days old) by lordylord ()
Checkrate/Likes *Another Machine in the Family* My other grandparents had a Bosch WFB cant remember the exact model number. I've found a pic though :-) I was told by a repairman that these machines weren't a "proper" bosch as they used a Zanussi motor. Does anyone know if this is correct? When i start thinking back i can remember lots of machines that were in the family or that friends had when i was growing up.

Post# 580571 , Reply# 22 3/5/2012 at 15:40 (4,425 days old) by SuperElectronic (London, UK)
Checkrate/Likes *Bosch WFB series* I think we've managed to establish from previous discussions that the WFB machines from Bosch were rebadged from the Spanish manufacturer Balay. I rather liked mine - quite a solid design apart from the crunching noise many seemed to develop when tumbling. The basic programme was very sensible in my opinion and nicely flexible too. They came at the tail end of the old-school European style mechanical programmer machines: things like timed stepped rinse fills and a physical link from timer dial to dispenser to divert the cold water. They certainly weren't quiet in the style of any Zanussi of a similar age but that's not to say they didn't share motors; the WFBs were more of a metal contstruction so perhaps didn't contain vibrations as well. Who can say? Well, not me anyway... I'm pretty sure Bosch have a long tradition of rebadging other manufacturers' wares (much like all the brands); they still seem to be at it today with the low-priced machines seen in the likes of Comet - the ones that look nothing like the main range. Oh...and welcome along by the way! Alex

Post# 580579 , Reply# 23 3/5/2012 at 15:58 (4,424 days old) by lordylord ()
Checkrate/Likes Thanks for clearing that up :-) By crunching noise do you mean the weird kind of screeching noise that they make when the drum starts turning in the first heating phase of the wash. My grandmas did this when the motor hadn't been used for a few days?

Post# 580582 , Reply# 24 3/5/2012 at 16:06 (4,424 days old) by lordylord ()
Checkrate/Likes *Balay* We have a Balay washing machine in Spain. I suppose its the same as my Mums Siemens under the skin?

Post# 580603 , Reply# 25 3/5/2012 at 17:33 (4,424 days old) by solsburian (SE Northumberland)
Checkrate/Likes *Hello!* I think there will be a lot of similar continents between your Mum's Siemens and the Balay machines. Siemens machines do tend to have slightly better quality components in them though. The low end Bosch machines you sometimes see in B&Q are also made by Balay and appear to be slightly lower quality and now have sealed tubs.

Post# 580604 , Reply# 26 3/5/2012 at 17:38 (4,424 days old) by SuperElectronic (London, UK)
Checkrate/Likes *Screeching?* No, more of a crunching - don't remember a screech. I had an almost new WFB 1602 (I think) as a student that was fine til the day I started to wash a single feather duvet in it - the crunching set in about then; I aborted the wash and took the duvet to the launderette down the road! My sister later ended up with a WFB2005 from a rental firm; it had the same complaint so it must have been a design flaw. I gather it may have been related to the belt and that it's not uncommon for belts to make that noise. The Proline washer I was using til about 2 years ago did the same thing when it started up. The WFB 2005 was carried off by a tub leak in the end as far as I know; my sister called me over to investigate the strange white build-up under the washer area. Couldn't find the leak but you could hear it at high water level! Thinking about those machines again, they really should have been fitted with induction motors - the programming was very much geared up to an induction motor with no distribution speed, no slow wool tumble and just full/half speed spins. Certainly a very European design in origin - older Bosch perhaps, even it not made by them.

Post# 580616 , Reply# 27 3/5/2012 at 18:26 (4,424 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK)
Checkrate/Likes Welcome John :). Very nice machines you've had there. My sister had the 9534 and matching dryer for a good few years - she stole them out of her uni house after the landlord screwed her over lol. I grew up with mostly Zanussi machines but have very fond memories of both Hotpoint and AEG washers. Looking forward to seeing the pics of your new AEG :). All the best, Chris

Post# 580617 , Reply# 28 3/5/2012 at 18:26 (4,424 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)
Checkrate/Likes I had a WFB2005, possibly one of the worst machines I have ever owned.Don't get me wrong, it was a really solid machine and did not feel badly made but mine obviously was built on a friday at 4pm! Door lock failure after two weeks, new PCB after two months and new motor fitted after 6 months. I had no end of problems with Comet over this machine, took three weeks for the motor to arrive from where ever in Europe it had to be ordered from, I argued the machine, by this point, was past economic repair but Comet refused to replace it. Soon after, me and my partner at the time split and he inherited the machine , he managed to get another year out of it before he had to get a new machine.

Post# 580733 , Reply# 29 3/6/2012 at 07:33 (4,424 days old) by lordylord ()
Checkrate/Likes My Aunty had a WFB 2005 at the same time as my mum had the AEG 6200. I always preffered our AEG. Friends of mine had a WFB 2004 in a rental property. They only moved out a couple of months ago and it was still going strong so i guess some of them were really made to last. I used it on a few occasions when i house sitted for them and was always amazed at how loud it was. Very solid though.. There was a slight problem with the programmer. The dial didn't catch up with the programmer so when you do another cycle the dial moved around 360 freely. Small fault on a machine thats probably around 17 years old.

Post# 580766 , Reply# 30 3/6/2012 at 11:38 (4,424 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)
Checkrate/Likes None of the Siemens Machines have sealed tubs here in the UK, and as far as I am aware, Boschs don't either, and the Bosch Maxx 5 or Bosch Classixx 5 or simple Bosch 5.5KG machines also don't have sealed tubs, they are just made in cheaper labour countries - China (which is where BSH make Balay!), which probably explains louder motor, smaller capacity, and strange door, drum - as also in the Exxcel washer-dryer, and WFB model. Balay are made by BSH - who own Bosch, which to me shows why they are similar. Balay is a cheaper version, and only available in certain countries, if not just 1. Hello Lordy Lord, good collection you have had over your lifetime:) Good luck with the refurbished Miele!

Post# 580771 , Reply# 31 3/6/2012 at 12:04 (4,424 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)
Checkrate/Likes Welcome to the club from another fellow AEG nut! I have several AEGs in my collection... my favourite being the Lavamat 620! Jon

Post# 580801 , Reply# 32 3/6/2012 at 14:23 (4,424 days old) by lordylord ()
Checkrate/Likes Nice Pic! I'll get some photos of the AEG when i get it at the weekend. Jon i notice that you have a Creda Supaspeed? Our next door neighbours had the 1200 spin model when i was a kid. I loved it! When we used to look after their house when they were on holidays i used to go and do a load or two haha. When i look back, surely these Creda machines where similar to the WM63 hotpoint that my grandma had. I think it was the fact that the WM63 used to take half an hour to balance then shake all over the room. I always thought the creda machines where more like a classic hotpoint.

Post# 580808 , Reply# 33 3/6/2012 at 14:57 (4,424 days old) by lordylord ()
Checkrate/Likes *Another Machine I Loved as a Kid* My best friends Mum had a Whirlpool AWG372. Purchased in 1997. I LOVED THIS MACHINE! It was great! The rinse water levels were the highest I've ever seen. On a standard cotton programme it would get to number 5 (40 degree cottons) then one click into the cool down and it would fill and fill and fill and fill and fill and fill until the water was half way up the glass. It used to distribute with alot of water in the drum too. It went wrong all the time and was replaced by a Creda W120FW in 2002. Oddly though their Cleaner had the same Whirlpool machine and she said hers never went wrong.

Post# 581044 , Reply# 34 3/7/2012 at 13:08 (4,423 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
Checkrate/Likes 1 *Welcome John!* Loved your phraseology, "it was rubbish so we only kept it about a year." I have a Creda Supa Speed 1000 Eco Wash made for export to this country. We found it thrown away behind an appliance store sometime in the late 1990s because it needed new motor brushes. I keep replacing them every few years and it keeps working. I actually like it better for my shirts than the two Mieles, but I don't tell them. They are busy washing other stuff on Sundays when I wash the shirts.

Post# 581083 , Reply# 35 3/7/2012 at 16:58 (4,422 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK)
Checkrate/Likes *Whirlpool Aqualine...* Those Whirlpool washers were EVERYWHERE when I was a kid. I knew of at least 5 people on our estate that had them and a few school friends had them too. Radio Rentals used to carry them exclusively, which is possibly one reason they were so popular. I seem to recall them being fairly reliable machines, although I'm not sure what the performance was like. They still crop up on ebay frequently.

Post# 581149 , Reply# 36 3/8/2012 at 02:17 (4,422 days old) by lordylord ()
Checkrate/Likes I didn't know Creda imported to the US Tom. Thats pretty cool! I loved our neighbours supaspeed i was desperate for one. You still see some decent examples coming up on Ebay now and again. Next time i see one i might get it. Storage is the biggest problem though. I might be acquiring a Creda W100FW. I have a property management company and we've just been given three houses to clear and renovate. One of them has a poorly looking Hoover with a round door. Late 90's after the softwave models. One has a whirlpool from the early 2000's nothing like the aqualine and the last house has a knackered servis and a creda W100FW which is pristine. The house's have been vacant since 2005 so i'm guessing the creda is around 2002/2003 so it might have a decent bit of life left in it. From what i can remember Chris the Whirlpool washed very well. It was very flexible as it had variable temperature. WHY DON'T BASIC MODERN MACHINES HAVE VARIABLE TEMP!!?? Annoying! My Mum used to stick the AEG on 80 instead of 95 i have no idea why haha...

Post# 581150 , Reply# 37 3/8/2012 at 02:21 (4,422 days old) by lordylord ()
Checkrate/Likes Whirlpool Aqualine... Chris When i think back.. The whirlpool probably only went wrong once or twice but at that age i wasn't accustomed to washing machine going wrong at all. Our AEG never put a foot wrong in 8 years so the concept of having to involve repair men seemed alien ;-) happy days....

Post# 581216 , Reply# 38 3/8/2012 at 13:12 (4,422 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK)
Checkrate/Likes We got an Electra branded Creda in 1993 that had so many repairs in it's short 2 years, so by the time I was 5 I was used to the washer man coming. The door lock was forever breaking, the brushes went, the belt snapped, the timer broke and I remember at one point, it had the whole outer tub replaced. Nightmare

Post# 581231 , Reply# 39 3/8/2012 at 14:52 (4,422 days old) by lordylord ()
Checkrate/Likes Do you not just think its down to the individual appliance. I still hear of people swearing by certain brands that i wouldn't ever consider. A friend of mine swears by Indesit washing machines. Surely they've always been crap? She however had one for 12 years and it was faultless it only had to be discarded as she had a house fire . She replaced it with a newer one and that lasted 6 years, not bad for a machine that was only �190. I used it a few times it was awful hahaha.

Post# 581232 , Reply# 40 3/8/2012 at 14:56 (4,422 days old) by henrypeter21 ()
Checkrate/Likes I remember the hotpoint wm62 we had until about 2005. The creda machines from 1999 - 2004 were a rebranded version of the hotpoint wm series. Indesit own hotpoint, creda, and ariston. Whenever you get a second hand machine, you must always run an empty boilwash with a limescale and detergant remover to kill the germs - you never know whats been washed in there, previous owners could have been silly enough to have washed their fish pond filters inside. The last thing you want is that bacteria on your clothes, believe me.

Post# 581237 , Reply# 41 3/8/2012 at 15:42 (4,422 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK)
Checkrate/Likes Well, the problem with our Electra was simple. Creda were made up of Hotpoints rejected parts and Electra were made with Creda's rejected parts, so it was essentially just a waste machine lol. It got replaced with a Zanussi FJ1295 that lasted 11 years in a family of 6. Incidentally, I wouldn't touch Indesit with a barge pole.

Post# 581238 , Reply# 42 3/8/2012 at 15:46 (4,421 days old) by lordylord ()
Checkrate/Likes *Nannys Washing Machine* Look what i've just found on Ebay. This exactly like my grandmas.. CLICK HERE TO GO TO lordylord's LINK on eBay

Post# 581244 , Reply# 43 3/8/2012 at 16:32 (4,421 days old) by lordylord ()
Checkrate/Likes *Creda* I'm tempted by this washer too! CLICK HERE TO GO TO lordylord's LINK on eBay

Post# 581473 , Reply# 44 3/9/2012 at 22:06 (4,420 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
Checkrate/Likes Chris, your pedigree of the Creda and Electra machines is hilarious. Thanks for the laugh. John, I like that I can select the wash temp independent of the cycle on my Creda. I understand that having a separate dial for wash temps was a feature of the export model. I like the "normal" A,B,C cycle because of the 4 rinses with spins in between the rinses so I wash my no iron shirts on that cycle with slow spin and 115F wash temp. It gives a deep rinse after the wash with no spin between the wash and the first rinse so things are cooled before the first spin. The lightness of the construction is pretty amazing when compared to a Miele. When the Creda spins, its front undulates like a bellydancer's abdomen. Is it peculiar to this brand that while in the heating periods of the wash cycle they barely turn the load over in the short, slow tumble portions? The Mieles don't have dedicated heating periods in the wash portion of the cycle. I wondered if that was why the Creda could use a lower amp draw than the Mieles since the motor does not run when the heater is on. This post was last edited 03/09/2012 at 22:27

Post# 581497 , Reply# 45 3/10/2012 at 04:29 (4,420 days old) by aquarius8000 ()
Checkrate/Likes Hello! I like whirlpool, AEG and Hotpoint. I have a few machines in my shed and vids of them up on YouTube. I have taken appart a whirlpool AWG338 wich was fun. I do hope that you can get the machines above and scource your childhood machines!

Post# 582142 , Reply# 46 3/13/2012 at 13:32 (4,417 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)
Checkrate/Likes *Tomturbomatic* It was not uncommon for UK F/L's in the 70's and 80's to static heat to 40deg C, then the drum would start to tumble. In the case of Indesit machines of the 70's they did not even tumble whilst the machine filled. The machine would fill, heat the water to 40deg with the drum stationary, once the water reached 40 deg the drum would tumble but of course only half the load was saturated, this added a lot of time onto the cycle, especially in the cold fill only models as when the rest of the load absorbed water the machine would stop tumbling, fill and heat to 40 deg again, if it was a particularly absorbent load ( ie towels) this could happen two or three times before the wash portion of the cycle could start. I wonder if your theory about amp drawing was the reason for this or just badly designed programming. All I know was it was irritating to watch to say the least. On my aunts Indesit L5 I used to turn the temp dial to cold, let the machine fill, then tumble and fill until the load was completely saturated and the water was at the correct level then turn the dial to the required temperature and let the machine heat. This saved quite a bit of time.

Post# 582556 , Reply# 47 3/15/2012 at 05:50 (4,415 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
Checkrate/Likes WOW! I am glad my Creda does not do that. It fills, tumbles once the water level switch is satisfied then stops if it has to add more water, etc like the Mieles. After a timer increment of full washing action, it goes into a heating mode. In this timer increment, it heats for long periods then will do maybe one drum revolution at a crawling speed to just turnover the load, maybe to prevent things from getting exposed to too much heat too early, then it returns to heating mode. It does these heating periods after each of the starting points A, B or C. It heats in stages: X degrees in the heating period after A, X degrees in the heating period after B and X degrees in the heating period after C. Fortunately mine has hot and cold fill valves so I am not heating from cold to super hot. I guess the other thing you could do to trick a machine like your aunt's and avoid the static heating to 40C is start it at the first rinse then, once everything is saturated, restart it in the desired wash cycle. You do have to wonder what the people who design the machines are using for brains. I certainly felt that way about the 21 & 22 series KitchenAid dishwashers that filled, heated the water then sprayed it on the cold load.

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