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Post# 581178   3/8/2012 at 08:32 (2,655 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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goes to work. Coming soon, World's First Zero Suds Detertgent! Patent Pending.

Cleans deep, rinses out quick!


Post# 581180 , Reply# 1   3/8/2012 at 08:52 (2,655 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Jon, Whenever I have read articles about low-sudsing detergents, the cost of the ingredients to make a really good cleaning low sudsing detergent has always been a very much emphasized factor, especially when talking about the non-ionic (I think) surfactants. Is this what you discovered too? Going by your statements about rinsing, your detergent must be formulated to be non-sudsing instead of relying on a foam suppressor if it does not suds in the rinse because many products like the CO-OP that John used did not suds as much in the wash as they did in the rinse when the major portion of the suds suppressors were down the drain.

Is Rosalie's detergent a "botique brand" or a "botique detergent?"

Post# 581182 , Reply# 2   3/8/2012 at 09:01 (2,655 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Tom, I think it will start out as a

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boutique brand, but you are correct in the use of a non-ionic. It is formulated with the best ingredients from the 1950-60's and the latest of today's technology so its a marriage. It is a more expensive process but everyone loved how detergents worked in the 50'-60s. So a marriage of old a new tech was in order. People seem to think that it was the phosphates that made detergents great , but it was only the ability of phosphates to temper water so that the surfactants of the time could go ahead and do their work. Today's surfactants are products of those earlier times 30-40 years down the road. They are much more robust today.

Mine is the only HE detergent that will not suds up after a 20 minute washing, with most HE's on the market today the suds suppressor slowly combines with the surfactant and you have suds in the machine after 15-20 minutes, which is how long these new front loaders run these days.
And absolutely no suds at end of wash and in the FIRST rinse or any rinse after that.

Post# 581188 , Reply# 3   3/8/2012 at 09:47 (2,655 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)        

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Is this something that you have made? It also sounds like it would be great for spin-rinsing in a twin-tub machine, which froth detergent up pretty bad.


Also, off-topic but I just looked at your profile avatar and slit my Frappe all over my keyboard. I just though it was an Easy ad and then I clicked it. ROTF.



Post# 581190 , Reply# 4   3/8/2012 at 10:40 (2,655 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

One thing I can count on with both powder TIDE he and Persil is that they do not start foaming at high temperatures like a 180F wash. Other detergents get over excited at those temperatures. The foamiest part of the whole cycle with TIDE he is the first rinse in the W1918, which imediately follows the wash and is at a high water level so it churns up some suds, but they don't last beyond the first spin. Again, I think that even though the Tide ingredients state it uses non-ionic as well as ionic (sudsing) surfactants, it must also depend on a suds suppressor to allow sudsing to form in the first rinse.

Post# 581191 , Reply# 5   3/8/2012 at 10:47 (2,655 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Does it have the same fragrance that Dash had? I still remember the fragrance of our neighbor's basement. She bought Dash by the 20 lb. box (didn't they call that the "Home Laundry Size"?)for her early 60s Laundromat and it made the basement smell good. If Rosalie's Detergent smells like Dash, I would buy it to use as an air freshener.

Post# 581193 , Reply# 6   3/8/2012 at 11:12 (2,655 days old) by roscoe62 (Canada)        

Patiently waiting so I can try,let us know how to obtain when you're ready :)

Post# 581198 , Reply# 7   3/8/2012 at 11:43 (2,655 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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What did Dash smell like? I remember "Lily of the Valley" but I know that wasn't it.

Tim, Yes its my own invention and glad you like the Avatar -we can thank Fred & Robert for that one!!!KErrslapp!

Tom- Tide to my knowledge doesn't use "non-ionics" anymore as they just invented a surfactant of their own that they are currently patenting and that is their main surfactant,it's an all temperature,hardy anionic. But I find its very hard to rinse out. I'm not wild about it and if you look at the posts on that garden site the old time users of Tide are very dissappointed in it as well. Have you noticed a change in the last two years at all?

Roscoe- I am looking at production currently and will keep everyone posted as to a due date. Thank you for your interest!!


Post# 581202 , Reply# 8   3/8/2012 at 11:53 (2,655 days old) by Maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)        
I am very interested!

Will it be for every Automatic? Some of us only have top-loaders.

I am deeply interested in a non-sudsing laundry detergent.


Post# 581207 , Reply# 9   3/8/2012 at 12:19 (2,655 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

All of my Tide is OLD, like me; older than two years for sure. I bought it on sale at Target with coupons and probably have enough of the 80 load boxes (that last me for double that number at least) to keep me washing for several years and that is in addition to all of the other detergents. I have not been back to Target since the boycott was announced, but have not missed it.

If I add STPP to Rosalie's NoSuds, will i get suds or some violent reaction like light coming from inside the washer?

Post# 581212 , Reply# 10   3/8/2012 at 12:55 (2,655 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)        

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Very cool that an member is doing this! Cool

Perhaps you can get your own TLC program? Tongue out

Post# 581307 , Reply# 11   3/9/2012 at 03:46 (2,654 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

1) The promise of a non-sudsing detergent has me cheering. I've been on a need-ending quest for the ultimate clean-rinsing detergent for loads of bath towels.

2) Why is your video categorized as "comedy" at YouTube? You aren't pulling our leg, are you Jon?

3) If this is legit, please put me at the top of your mail order list!!

Post# 581339 , Reply# 12   3/9/2012 at 06:56 (2,654 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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No sudsing detergent sounds interesting. Have you tried it at all temperatures? I wonder how it will behave in a boil wash. Keep us informed, I'm looking forward to try some.

Post# 581341 , Reply# 13   3/9/2012 at 07:04 (2,654 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
No Joke everyone!

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Gene thank you for mentioning that, I tried to change that You Tube category yesterday, I'll go back and check. I posted it from my iblab and the buttons are very small.

Yes it does work in traditional Top Loaders just fine, you just need more of it, most say like a Maytag 9 pounder take two scoops maybe 3 for extra soils.

Louis I have tried Rosalie's with the heat boost cycle on the SQ which only gets the water to 146F-63C. It works even better since the enzymes have a longer time to work. The enzymes stop working after 130F.
It didn't suds up and wow o wow did the whites come clean. I even took in 5 shirts from the dry cleaner next door to me. They had set stains in cotton 4 years old, even HE couldn't remove. Spot treated them with Rosalie's, then ran them through with more Rosalie's on the heat boost cycle--after 4 years in the shirts-- the stains were GONE!

I am using him as one of my testimonials!

Right now I am in negotiations with a contract manufacturer to produce it now that all the patents are filed. The lawyers kept me sequestered about this until it was all filed.

Post# 581343 , Reply# 14   3/9/2012 at 07:28 (2,654 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Looks and sounds great. The scent is crucial, have you settled on one?

I checked my mailbox again today and even dug out the Sunday paper baggie to be sure but alas, no samples... I'll just keep suppressing my suds with a whip and chair, but it's no trouble :-)

Post# 581354 , Reply# 15   3/9/2012 at 08:08 (2,654 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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Its a good thing I love you!

Yes its on its way, I have two scents, ginger-verbena and Australian Floral and of course no scent -YEEUCH!

Post# 581360 , Reply# 16   3/9/2012 at 08:47 (2,654 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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Must be exciting to create a new detergent.
Just out of curiousity, will it come as a powder or liquid ? OBAs, bleaches ?
Is it going to be cruelty free ?

Post# 581364 , Reply# 17   3/9/2012 at 09:18 (2,654 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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There is only one animal that he could test it on, and belief me, he wouldn't!

Post# 581392 , Reply# 18   3/9/2012 at 11:41 (2,654 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)        

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Sounds like you have developed a truly amazing detergent!!! Congratulations and I look forward to hearing more about it.


Post# 581398 , Reply# 19   3/9/2012 at 12:11 (2,654 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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It is unique thats for sure.

It is a powder, it is green, my formula can have the cleaning agents reduced by 20% ( and does currently) and still have the same cleaning power of any regular HE detergent out there, so that makes it very green.
Being a powder makes it green. Its buffered for hard water too. I haven't done extensive hard water testing yet.
There are no OBA, bleach etc. Every organic compound in it is biodegradable. I am told by my manufacturer even the by-products of degradation are safe for fish.

No Louis I wouldn't use it on Artey , in fact the on the second round of production last winter I almost killed him when I fogged up the entire house with surfactant merrily spraying away in the basement unaware of what I was doing!! We all have to learn!

Post# 581427 , Reply# 20   3/9/2012 at 15:30 (2,654 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN)        

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Sign me up for testing with hard water - ours is like a rock here in Middle TN! Having two small kids, I'm sure I put it up against a variety of hard to remove and unpleasant stains....

Post# 581428 , Reply# 21   3/9/2012 at 15:31 (2,654 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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Goodness, I think Artey deserves being mentioned on the box, or perhaps even a little picture!

Post# 581443 , Reply# 22   3/9/2012 at 18:13 (2,654 days old) by Maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)        
Totally agree with Louis-

Artey should be on the box!!!


Post# 581447 , Reply# 23   3/9/2012 at 18:45 (2,654 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Ginger verbena... Did we sample that last summer? Sounds great, I love verbena. How does the scent last through the dryer?

Post# 581476 , Reply# 24   3/9/2012 at 22:31 (2,654 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)        

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I wonder if there was a way...that if you took a significant sample of a vintage detergent, such has Dash or Punch or Cold Power or Bold or OXYDOL, to a chemist, that they would find a way to get enough scent compound out of it to analyze and recreate...

Post# 581492 , Reply# 25   3/10/2012 at 03:46 (2,653 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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To getting the trials samples, lets see what those twinnys, vintage & uber modern machines make of it....

There has only been one bio powder that produced no suds, a milky wash liquor, zero sudz and clear after the first rinse that I`ve used and it was a pleasure to use in the twinnys as well as the new stuff....we thought they where onto a winner as it was a big super own brand, but only lasted one season before the formula was changed to more sudz...

For those with twinnys we use the low foam auto version always as the "Handwash or Twintub" will have you rinsing forever!!!

Post# 581504 , Reply# 26   3/10/2012 at 06:03 (2,653 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Jon, You could appeal to a very large market if you put Artey's picture & name on the box with a statement about no animal testing, BUT it has to be emphasized up front that it does not suds. Lack of foam was what doomed the attempt in the 90s by the major manufacturers when they tried to market low sudsing versions to TIDE and other formerly high-sudsing brands. The lack of sudsing is why I figured it would be, at least at the start, a botique detergent. It would also broaden the market appeal to have a kosher certification for the product.

I just rewatched your video and the sudsing reminds me of what we got with AD from Colgate back in the mid 60s. Of course, the machine did not pause and reverse, but that was the type of sudsing.

Post# 581542 , Reply# 27   3/10/2012 at 13:38 (2,653 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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on the label and he got major rejection from several people, all had the exact same thing to say
WHAT IS HE DOING ON THE BOX< is this for dogs or laundry!

So my graphic artist took him off, I think down the road he'll make a reappearance!

Yes Tom the whole niche will be centered around the NO SUDS.
Our slogan which is in for copyright is "ZERO SUDS!=CLEAN DUDS!"
We film the first commercial in May and it will be a tutorial on how suds never cleaned any clothing even in grandma's time.

When its done I'll put a link up here.

Post# 581554 , Reply# 28   3/10/2012 at 14:24 (2,653 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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If someone could sketch you a tiny image of Artey in the Jugendstil style of the old P&G logo, maybe just for the backside small prints of the soap box, that would be really cool :-)

Post# 581569 , Reply# 29   3/10/2012 at 16:12 (2,653 days old) by RevvinKevin (So. Cal.)        

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So Jon,

Are you plannning to bring a suitcase full of samples to share when you head West next month?? 

If not you may be turned away at the door....  Surprised


hehe  Laughing


(stands tall and walks SLOWLY away....)  Cool





Post# 581570 , Reply# 30   3/10/2012 at 16:18 (2,653 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Jon, Actually in grandma's time when soap was used for cleaning, a rich layer of suds indicated that the soap solution was strong enough for cleaning and the suds assured that the solution was suspending the soil. When the suds broke down, the soap solution was finished for cleaning and whether it was fabrics or dishes, the soil and grease were no longer going to be removed and the grease came floating to the top.

We know that is not the same for detergents. My father would demonstrate this for kitchen workers by filling a sink with hot water then, after he had shut off the water, adding enough liquid hand dishwashing detergent for the proper concentration without creating a bubble. Then he would take a pot where grease has been been allowed to bake onto the outside because people had only washed the inside. He would immerse it in the water with one hand and in his other hand he held a green 3M scrubbing pad with which he would scrub the outside. He would not scrub the entire pan clean, just a portion of it. He would then lift it out of the sudsless water with a portion of the aluminum shining bright and rinse it off. People who were raised on using soap did not understand how modern detergents could clean without suds (I remember hearing gasps of "magic") and frankly, I don't know that they were convinced, but he did it in the presence of the manager so there would be no talk of how the detergent did not clean because the suds were not billowing out of the sink.

So please be careful to make the distinction between soap and detergents and old style detergents with foaming surfactants and non-foaming ones. Having a frontloader go into spin and sudslock with an HE detergent in a load of towels should be the acid test between regular detergents and Rosalie's. BTW, who is Rosalie?

Post# 581636 , Reply# 31   3/10/2012 at 22:23 (2,653 days old) by earthling177 (Boston, MA)        
Blank spaces are important

Jon says: Our slogan which is in for copyright is "ZERO SUDS!=CLEAN DUDS!"

Please note that it should read "ZERO SUDS! = CLEAN DUDS!" instead. For a very large number of people (computer professionals mostly, but almost any science geek that deals with computer programming, like physicists, chemists, engineers etc) your original copy reads "zero suds not equal clean duds" instead of "zero suds equals clean duds", because a large number of computer languages uses "!" as "not" so "!=" is "not equal".

Just saying. Because we desperately need a detergent with no suds, and nothing should stand on the way to its success!

Post# 581680 , Reply# 32   3/11/2012 at 09:11 (2,652 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Tom and Paul

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both Excellent points thank you!
"Jon, Actually in grandma's time when soap was used for cleaning, a rich layer of suds indicated that the soap solution was strong enough for cleaning and the suds assured that the solution was suspending the soil."

That actually is going to be part of the basis of the commercial, the other part will be a short discourse that any suds formed on the top by a detergent means that surfactant has combined with air to make the bubbles and so is not in solution cleaning fabric. Rosalie's ( my mother's namesake) forces all the surfactant to stay in solution for maximum cleaning effect by preventing surfactant combing with air.

Paul- Thank you for the information about the "!" mark , I did not know it was used that way! You should come over for a visit and I'll give you some to try!!


Post# 581682 , Reply# 33   3/11/2012 at 09:17 (2,652 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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what is that style you speak of I have not seen it
"Artey in the Jugendstil style of the old P&G logo" Can I find an example on the web??

Post# 581685 , Reply# 34   3/11/2012 at 09:29 (2,652 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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Jugendstil is also called "Art Nouveau" and I *think* this is the right term to describe the old P&G logo, but might be wrong.

I was talking about the beautiful old logo with the moon and the stars.
Just Google "P&G" logo, I don`t dare to post one after all this copyright discussion recently.

Post# 581690 , Reply# 35   3/11/2012 at 10:08 (2,652 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
The P&G logo

Not to mention all of the xtianists who claimed it had satanic connotations.

"Help, my washer is possessed! It's glowing different colors! It must be that damned Tide."

"Lady, that's just the tub light and the germicidal light."

Post# 581693 , Reply# 36   3/11/2012 at 10:20 (2,652 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

"suds formed on the top by a detergent means that surfactant has combined with air to make the bubbles and so is not in solution cleaning fabric."

So the Bendix Economat with "Undertow washing action" which pulled the suds down into the water was making better use of surfactant than washers that let suds rise to the top of the water! Amazing. Although it operated at a higher speed than the Maytag Gyrator, I would love to see the Bendix perforated agitator operate in a Maytag and vice-versa. Unnatural couplings? The washing action that dare not speak its name?

Jon, can you elaborate on your reference about fogging your house with surfactant streaming in the basement?

Post# 581700 , Reply# 37   3/11/2012 at 10:58 (2,652 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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Now I understand what you mean. Thank you , yes I do like that old logo. Its sort of what we call a 'block print" here. Cut from a solid medium and is imprinted in one color.

Tom the story goes as such.
One step in making the detergent is to heat a chemical from a paste state to a liquid state and then spray or adsorb it onto a powder. Well I had the powder tumbling in the cement mixer in February inside the basement because it was VERY cold outdoors! As I started to spray, billows of white fog proceeded to issue from the mixer. I decided to stop and put on my gas mask , goggles, and ear plugs and open the basement door for fresh air. Then I continued spraying into the barrel mixer, which took about 45 minutes. By that time the whole basement was a white fog. I finished and headed upstairs.

What I had forgotten was I had left the door to the basement open! So all the air coming in from the outside door was being ushered up the stairs into the house! When I got the top of the stairs the entire first floor was one big white FOG! And Artey was hanging over the couch gasping for air!
I rushed to throw him outside and opened every door and window I could find, then I turned on all the ceiling fans as well. It took hours to bring the house back up to temperature
Then I found as I wiped surfaces and walls that I was actually cleaning the house!
So in the end Artey survived, the house was clean and full of fresh air!

Now all spraying is done outside regardless of temperature!

Post# 581702 , Reply# 38   3/11/2012 at 11:29 (2,652 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
Thank you

Oh, That's like the drying tower operation we saw when we visited one of the companies daddy represented. The solution was sprayed in at the top and by the time it fell through the air, it was powder. They went several stories up through the plant. We also saw huge cylinders with turning blades on a center shaft like ice cream freezers or cement mixers (except vertical) where they mixed the various formulas.

So the detergent's name is a way to immortalize your mother's name. What a fine way to do it with something that really means a great deal to you by improving life or improving life through laundry. Such a fine son.

Post# 581768 , Reply# 39   3/11/2012 at 18:47 (2,652 days old) by xraytech (Rural southwest Pennsylvania )        

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This no suds detergent sounds great, cant wait until it is available to try some.

We use a top loader here, I'm curious to see how it will stand up to our well water that is very hard with lime.

The scents even sound pretty good as well. Would you be branching out into more scnts in time? I'd love to see a lilac scent for laundering linens

Post# 582041 , Reply# 40   3/12/2012 at 22:04 (2,651 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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Yes I am! And if you want some then you can help me get it into the hands of your reporter friend so he can blab it out the WSJ for some exposure!!

Post# 582072 , Reply# 41   3/13/2012 at 04:45 (2,650 days old) by badgerdx ()        

This is a very interesting thread. I feel like the only one without an advanced chemistry degree.

I have one thought of fragrance. The ONE thing that Mrs. Meyers cleansers (which I think don't work at all) does well, is fragrance. AFTER I clean with the comet and bon ami and tide etc etc... I go over everything with Mrs. Meyers Basil... for the sent. Just my 2 cents worth.

Post# 582144 , Reply# 42   3/13/2012 at 13:42 (2,650 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
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So Jon

Are we gonna see a pair of your "used" underpants before and after a curry :-)

Post# 582148 , Reply# 43   3/13/2012 at 13:57 (2,650 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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Without OBA's and bleach his tighty whities will be dingy very soon! lol

Post# 582349 , Reply# 44   3/14/2012 at 10:56 (2,649 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Wrong Louis

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My whiteys are brilliant after a year and half of Rosalie's. And lucky me I have the ability to test it in 60 years worth of machines so its had its run through evry kind of machine!

That's a myth you need OBA's and did you know the molecule actually bonds to your skin for years???

I would never include OBA's in my formula.

Badgerdx we did a lot of testing with Mrs. Meyers, it doesn't work well and sudses like crazy in a HE3T machine. But they do have their scents DOWN pat! I agree.

Post# 582363 , Reply# 45   3/14/2012 at 12:16 (2,649 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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Sounds interesting! I can't wait to try it. You also said no bleach, does that mean there is no oxygen bleach in it either?

Post# 582365 , Reply# 46   3/14/2012 at 12:21 (2,649 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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It seems to me that some of the best colour detergents can keep whites much whiter after repeated washings than the worst "normal" detergents with bleaching and OBA`s if dirt redepositing does not work well.
Oxygen bleach is certainly good to improve laundry hygiene at lower temperatures and to tackle certain stains but in my opinion totally overrated for keeping whites white.
Well done to keep those nasty OBA`s out of the formula !

Post# 582378 , Reply# 47   3/14/2012 at 13:36 (2,649 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
My whiteys are brilliant

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Post# 582402 , Reply# 48   3/14/2012 at 16:32 (2,649 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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Woo hoo!!! Sign me up!!!! One of my biggest pet peeves with washing machines is their rinsing ability! I always wondered how the wash could be totally suds free and then the rinse has an inch of suds! 


This is totally awesome!!!!

Post# 582442 , Reply# 49   3/14/2012 at 19:20 (2,649 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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where the hell did you get that picture??
Excellent Dude!

Post# 582443 , Reply# 50   3/14/2012 at 19:21 (2,649 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Yes there is no oxygen

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bleach either.

Jamie you're on!

Post# 582487 , Reply# 51   3/14/2012 at 21:16 (2,649 days old) by stan (Napa CA)        
want to hear more

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about the OBAs bonding to the skin ?? Or tell me where to research!

Post# 582675 , Reply# 52   3/15/2012 at 14:29 (2,648 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
I read about it wayback

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several years ago in the GardenWeb and in several European magazines regarding wanting to ban them in detergents.

Post# 582745 , Reply# 53   3/15/2012 at 23:12 (2,648 days old) by stan (Napa CA)        
Can't seem to

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find anything bad on the net? We are talking about OxyClean types of additives right?? (OBAs)

Post# 582758 , Reply# 54   3/16/2012 at 00:10 (2,648 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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No, you should search for optical brighteners.

Post# 582775 , Reply# 55   3/16/2012 at 07:58 (2,647 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Stan See "E. Smulders"

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"Laundry Detergents" Pub Wiley-Vch. Verlag GmbH, Weinheim 2002.

The chemicals of the OBA's are all based on anionic diaminostilbene and distyrylbiphenyl derivatives.
"They do not biodegrade easily in primary digesters as they have a high affinity for textile fibers and sewage sludges" But I have seen text speaking of high affinity for skin molecules as well.

Post# 582784 , Reply# 56   3/16/2012 at 08:28 (2,647 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        

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If you want to know what old Dash smelled like, get a box of original Tide with Bleach and take a whiff. When Tide with Bleach came out, P&G simply pulled the card for the old Dash formula, added some O3 and blue speckles, IMHO. This was before the advent of  "HE" detergents and I noticed immediately that it had what P & G used to call "controlled sudsing". They even promoted it back then on a product card they sent me as being a low-sudsing detergent. I was using a Filter-Flo back then and they always need low sudsing deterents. I'll try to find that card but don't hold your breaths.It's still my favorite detergent, I want to try Persil but I'm afraid, if I like it, it's too expensive for someone like me who's spending over 9K a year on health insurance.

Post# 582790 , Reply# 57   3/16/2012 at 09:08 (2,647 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

I think that somewhere I have my last box of Dash unopened in a zip lock bag. I will do some looking.

Post# 582809 , Reply# 58   3/16/2012 at 11:27 (2,647 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        
OBAs may even affect our sex lifes negatively

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On page #4 "Hormone-like effects"


Post# 582855 , Reply# 59   3/16/2012 at 13:18 (2,647 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Eeuuuw Stefan

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thank you. I know I would never use them. They just mask a problem anyway. Either your product CLEANS or it doesn't!

Good luck Tom let us know what you find. Baja will check out the powdered formula Tide w/Bleach today!
I know it can't be identical to Dash but I bet it doesn't fall far from the tree. The main ingredient in DASH was HYFAC457- hydrogenated fish oils & fats which are no longer made by BASF.

Post# 582940 , Reply# 60   3/16/2012 at 22:30 (2,647 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN)        

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I wouldn't object to a "lights" version with oxygen bleach and some of the more innocuous OBs (if such exist) as long as there was also a "darks" version that had neither.

Think Persil Megaperls - they have both Color and Universal (lights) versions.

Post# 582961 , Reply# 61   3/17/2012 at 03:25 (2,647 days old) by stan (Napa CA)        
Thanks Guys

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for ending my confusion about OBAs! Started my research! (not near finished thou) I never realized what they were!
The words " Optical Brighteners " always made me think that it just had a little Borax in the mix!! Who knew! And who the hell laid up all night, and thought it up??

So thank you for not using them, although I guess they are all stuck to me and every thing I've ever laundered, never to be removed (according to what I've read so far)

Been working on my own natural product for a little while now, so I'm interested in the topic! What I'm doing is not near as complicated as what your doing, and I'm not trying to suppress suds for my purposes, and don't expect it to go anywhere with it LOL
But I'am curious to know what you are using to " buffer hard water" Hope that not to bold to ask? Tell me its a trade secret, if you do think it is LOL

Post# 583002 , Reply# 62   3/17/2012 at 09:55 (2,646 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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right now it is a trade secret but borax can be a buffer. So can washing soda.

Post# 583016 , Reply# 63   3/17/2012 at 12:12 (2,646 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Washing soda is the least expensive "filler" they can put in powdered detergents. That's what Arm & Hammer detergent was full of when it was introduced, not baking soda. It is a precipitating water buffering agent, not one of the more expensive non-precipitating ones.

Post# 583130 , Reply# 64   3/17/2012 at 22:06 (2,646 days old) by stan (Napa CA)        

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a "more expensive non precipitating" STPP ?

To my understanding Washing Soda is more than a filler, or water softener, it boosts the alkalinity of the water quit a bit, and aids in the shifting action of greasy dirt ect.
It may be a bid rough on the fabric, and washer parts, but will "Break" certain soils, and stains loose effectively, maybe not a good idea to use all the time, but...

Post# 583197 , Reply# 65   3/18/2012 at 09:33 (2,645 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Boosting alkalinity

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is one powerful way of cleaning, Hospital Laundries use this technique and then rinse the laundry back down to neutral but it will wear out the fibers of the clothing quicker. In one of my trials I boosted the ph too high and my cotton shorts came out looking like they had been sand blasted and aged 10 years!! It was like all the fibers had been swollen up in the fabric.

Post# 583263 , Reply# 66   3/18/2012 at 12:14 (2,645 days old) by stan (Napa CA)        

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Well yes, guess that was too much! Live and learn

Post# 583335 , Reply# 67   3/18/2012 at 17:53 (2,645 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
OBA's & "Bonding" To Skin

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While it may be true chemical brightening agents used in laundry products can leave a residue it important to remember the effect is short lived.

Humans shed top layers of skin at various rates depending upon age, sex and other factors so whatever the effect of OBAs soon sloughs off with the layer of dead skin cells. If one ceases using any laundry products with such chemicals sooner or later all traces would leave skin surface. OTHO the reverse is also true.

OBAs in general are not very long lasting on textiles, which is why they are included in most all detergents and many fabric softeners. Should one switch to a non whitening agent detergent/fabric softener sooner or later laundry will loose the chemicals over the course of future launderings. Being as that may however it means one's whites and colours may appear duller and dingy.

Post# 583485 , Reply# 68   3/19/2012 at 08:59 (2,644 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Not with Rosalie's - Lauderess

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White's stay white regardless of what 'electron1100' found scouring the 'net!! LOL!

But your points are well taken. Never thought about the dead skin cells sloughing off.

"I can get it for you wholesale" 1951.

Post# 1026916 , Reply# 69   3/12/2019 at 21:24 by Mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

What happened to Rosalie's detergent? Wanted to order my first box and see that it's out of stock. Did production end?


Post# 1026926 , Reply# 70   3/13/2019 at 00:10 by robbinsandmyers (Hamden CT)        
Per their website....

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March12,2019: Hello loyal devoted Rosalie’s Customers! Just a temporary heads up , we have run out of Rosalies at the moment and are making more just as fast as we can. I apologize if this is causing a hiccup in your laundry schedule. Please stand by Rosalies and I will post as soon as I have a delivery schedule for you, as our manufacturer is very busy this time of year.

Post# 1026994 , Reply# 71   3/13/2019 at 20:22 by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

John, thank-you for pointing that out! I didn't see it, guess that's what I get for surfing the net late at night. LOL. Blurry vision, ya know! lol

Anxiously waiting for it to be available, I'll be checking back.


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