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Thread Number: 39211
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Post# 581178 3/8/2012 at 08:32 (4,430 days old) by Jetcone  (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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goes to work. Coming soon, World's First Zero Suds Detertgent! Patent Pending.
Cleans deep, rinses out quick! CLICK HERE TO GO TO Jetcone's LINK | ||
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Post# 581182 , Reply# 2 3/8/2012 at 09:01 (4,430 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Tom, I think it will start out as a
boutique brand, but you are correct in the use of a non-ionic. It is formulated with the best ingredients from the 1950-60's and the latest of today's technology so its a marriage. It is a more expensive process but everyone loved how detergents worked in the 50'-60s. So a marriage of old a new tech was in order. People seem to think that it was the phosphates that made detergents great , but it was only the ability of phosphates to temper water so that the surfactants of the time could go ahead and do their work. Today's surfactants are products of those earlier times 30-40 years down the road. They are much more robust today.
Mine is the only HE detergent that will not suds up after a 20 minute washing, with most HE's on the market today the suds suppressor slowly combines with the surfactant and you have suds in the machine after 15-20 minutes, which is how long these new front loaders run these days. And absolutely no suds at end of wash and in the FIRST rinse or any rinse after that. | ||
| Post# 581188 , Reply# 3 3/8/2012 at 09:47 (4,430 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY) | ||
Rosalie's Is this something that you have made? It also sounds like it would be great for spin-rinsing in a twin-tub machine, which froth detergent up pretty bad.
Also, off-topic but I just looked at your profile avatar and slit my Frappe all over my keyboard. I just though it was an Easy ad and then I clicked it. ROTF.
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| Post# 581193 , Reply# 6 3/8/2012 at 11:12 (4,430 days old) by roscoe62 (Canada) | ||
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@Jetcone Patiently waiting so I can try,let us know how to obtain when you're ready :) | ||
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Post# 581198 , Reply# 7 3/8/2012 at 11:43 (4,430 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Tom
What did Dash smell like? I remember "Lily of the Valley" but I know that wasn't it.
Tim, Yes its my own invention and glad you like the Avatar -we can thank Fred & Robert for that one!!!KErrslapp! Tom- Tide to my knowledge doesn't use "non-ionics" anymore as they just invented a surfactant of their own that they are currently patenting and that is their main surfactant,it's an all temperature,hardy anionic. But I find its very hard to rinse out. I'm not wild about it and if you look at the posts on that garden site the old time users of Tide are very dissappointed in it as well. Have you noticed a change in the last two years at all? Roscoe- I am looking at production currently and will keep everyone posted as to a due date. Thank you for your interest!! Jon | ||
| Post# 581202 , Reply# 8 3/8/2012 at 11:53 (4,430 days old) by Maytagbear (N.E. Ohio) | ||
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I am very interested! Will it be for every Automatic? Some of us only have top-loaders. I am deeply interested in a non-sudsing laundry detergent. Lawrence/Maytagbear | ||
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Post# 581212 , Reply# 10 3/8/2012 at 12:55 (4,430 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.) |
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Post# 581307 , Reply# 11 3/9/2012 at 03:46 (4,429 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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1) The promise of a non-sudsing detergent has me cheering. I've been on a need-ending quest for the ultimate clean-rinsing detergent for loads of bath towels.
2) Why is your video categorized as "comedy" at YouTube? You aren't pulling our leg, are you Jon? 3) If this is legit, please put me at the top of your mail order list!! | ||
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Post# 581339 , Reply# 12 3/9/2012 at 06:56 (4,429 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 581341 , Reply# 13 3/9/2012 at 07:04 (4,429 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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No Joke everyone!
Gene thank you for mentioning that, I tried to change that You Tube category yesterday, I'll go back and check. I posted it from my iblab and the buttons are very small.
Yes it does work in traditional Top Loaders just fine, you just need more of it, most say like a Maytag 9 pounder take two scoops maybe 3 for extra soils. Louis I have tried Rosalie's with the heat boost cycle on the SQ which only gets the water to 146F-63C. It works even better since the enzymes have a longer time to work. The enzymes stop working after 130F. It didn't suds up and wow o wow did the whites come clean. I even took in 5 shirts from the dry cleaner next door to me. They had set stains in cotton 4 years old, even HE couldn't remove. Spot treated them with Rosalie's, then ran them through with more Rosalie's on the heat boost cycle--after 4 years in the shirts-- the stains were GONE! I am using him as one of my testimonials! Right now I am in negotiations with a contract manufacturer to produce it now that all the patents are filed. The lawyers kept me sequestered about this until it was all filed. | ||
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Post# 581343 , Reply# 14 3/9/2012 at 07:28 (4,429 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 581354 , Reply# 15 3/9/2012 at 08:08 (4,429 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Post# 581360 , Reply# 16 3/9/2012 at 08:47 (4,429 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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Post# 581364 , Reply# 17 3/9/2012 at 09:18 (4,429 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 581392 , Reply# 18 3/9/2012 at 11:41 (4,429 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland) | ||
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Post# 581398 , Reply# 19 3/9/2012 at 12:11 (4,429 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Paul
It is unique thats for sure.
It is a powder, it is green, my formula can have the cleaning agents reduced by 20% ( and does currently) and still have the same cleaning power of any regular HE detergent out there, so that makes it very green. Being a powder makes it green. Its buffered for hard water too. I haven't done extensive hard water testing yet. There are no OBA, bleach etc. Every organic compound in it is biodegradable. I am told by my manufacturer even the by-products of degradation are safe for fish. No Louis I wouldn't use it on Artey , in fact the on the second round of production last winter I almost killed him when I fogged up the entire house with surfactant merrily spraying away in the basement unaware of what I was doing!! We all have to learn! | ||
| Post# 581427 , Reply# 20 3/9/2012 at 15:30 (4,429 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN) | ||
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Post# 581428 , Reply# 21 3/9/2012 at 15:31 (4,429 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 581443 , Reply# 22 3/9/2012 at 18:13 (4,429 days old) by Maytagbear (N.E. Ohio) | ||
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Totally agree with Louis- Artey should be on the box!!! Lawrence/Maytagbear | ||
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Post# 581447 , Reply# 23 3/9/2012 at 18:45 (4,429 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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| Post# 581476 , Reply# 24 3/9/2012 at 22:31 (4,429 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
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Post# 581492 , Reply# 25 3/10/2012 at 03:46 (4,428 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Looking forward
To getting the trials samples, lets see what those twinnys, vintage & uber modern machines make of it....
There has only been one bio powder that produced no suds, a milky wash liquor, zero sudz and clear after the first rinse that I`ve used and it was a pleasure to use in the twinnys as well as the new stuff....we thought they where onto a winner as it was a big super own brand, but only lasted one season before the formula was changed to more sudz... For those with twinnys we use the low foam auto version always as the "Handwash or Twintub" will have you rinsing forever!!! | ||
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Post# 581542 , Reply# 27 3/10/2012 at 13:38 (4,428 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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I HAD ARTEY
on the label and he got major rejection from several people, all had the exact same thing to say
WHAT IS HE DOING ON THE BOX< is this for dogs or laundry! So my graphic artist took him off, I think down the road he'll make a reappearance! Yes Tom the whole niche will be centered around the NO SUDS. Our slogan which is in for copyright is "ZERO SUDS!=CLEAN DUDS!" We film the first commercial in May and it will be a tutorial on how suds never cleaned any clothing even in grandma's time. When its done I'll put a link up here. | ||
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Post# 581554 , Reply# 28 3/10/2012 at 14:24 (4,428 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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Post# 581569 , Reply# 29 3/10/2012 at 16:12 (4,428 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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Post# 581680 , Reply# 32 3/11/2012 at 09:11 (4,427 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Tom and Paul
both Excellent points thank you!
"Jon, Actually in grandma's time when soap was used for cleaning, a rich layer of suds indicated that the soap solution was strong enough for cleaning and the suds assured that the solution was suspending the soil." That actually is going to be part of the basis of the commercial, the other part will be a short discourse that any suds formed on the top by a detergent means that surfactant has combined with air to make the bubbles and so is not in solution cleaning fabric. Rosalie's ( my mother's namesake) forces all the surfactant to stay in solution for maximum cleaning effect by preventing surfactant combing with air. Paul- Thank you for the information about the "!" mark , I did not know it was used that way! You should come over for a visit and I'll give you some to try!! Jon | ||
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Post# 581682 , Reply# 33 3/11/2012 at 09:17 (4,427 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Post# 581685 , Reply# 34 3/11/2012 at 09:29 (4,427 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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Post# 581690 , Reply# 35 3/11/2012 at 10:08 (4,427 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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The P&G logo Not to mention all of the xtianists who claimed it had satanic connotations. "Help, my washer is possessed! It's glowing different colors! It must be that damned Tide." "Lady, that's just the tub light and the germicidal light." | ||
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Post# 581700 , Reply# 37 3/11/2012 at 10:58 (4,427 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Stefan
Now I understand what you mean. Thank you , yes I do like that old logo. Its sort of what we call a 'block print" here. Cut from a solid medium and is imprinted in one color.
Tom the story goes as such. One step in making the detergent is to heat a chemical from a paste state to a liquid state and then spray or adsorb it onto a powder. Well I had the powder tumbling in the cement mixer in February inside the basement because it was VERY cold outdoors! As I started to spray, billows of white fog proceeded to issue from the mixer. I decided to stop and put on my gas mask , goggles, and ear plugs and open the basement door for fresh air. Then I continued spraying into the barrel mixer, which took about 45 minutes. By that time the whole basement was a white fog. I finished and headed upstairs. What I had forgotten was I had left the door to the basement open! So all the air coming in from the outside door was being ushered up the stairs into the house! When I got the top of the stairs the entire first floor was one big white FOG! And Artey was hanging over the couch gasping for air! I rushed to throw him outside and opened every door and window I could find, then I turned on all the ceiling fans as well. It took hours to bring the house back up to temperature Then I found as I wiped surfaces and walls that I was actually cleaning the house! So in the end Artey survived, the house was clean and full of fresh air! Now all spraying is done outside regardless of temperature! | ||
| Post# 581768 , Reply# 39 3/11/2012 at 18:47 (4,427 days old) by xraytech (Rural southwest Pennsylvania ) | ||
 This no suds detergent sounds great, cant wait until it is available to try some. We use a top loader here, I'm curious to see how it will stand up to our well water that is very hard with lime. The scents even sound pretty good as well. Would you be branching out into more scnts in time? I'd love to see a lilac scent for laundering linens | ||
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Post# 582041 , Reply# 40 3/12/2012 at 22:04 (4,426 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Post# 582148 , Reply# 43 3/13/2012 at 13:57 (4,425 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 582349 , Reply# 44 3/14/2012 at 10:56 (4,424 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Wrong Louis
My whiteys are brilliant after a year and half of Rosalie's. And lucky me I have the ability to test it in 60 years worth of machines so its had its run through evry kind of machine!
That's a myth you need OBA's and did you know the molecule actually bonds to your skin for years??? I would never include OBA's in my formula. Badgerdx we did a lot of testing with Mrs. Meyers, it doesn't work well and sudses like crazy in a HE3T machine. But they do have their scents DOWN pat! I agree. | ||
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Post# 582363 , Reply# 45 3/14/2012 at 12:16 (4,424 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 582365 , Reply# 46 3/14/2012 at 12:21 (4,424 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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It seems to me that some of the best colour detergents can keep whites much whiter after repeated washings than the worst "normal" detergents with bleaching and OBA`s if dirt redepositing does not work well.
Oxygen bleach is certainly good to improve laundry hygiene at lower temperatures and to tackle certain stains but in my opinion totally overrated for keeping whites white. Well done to keep those nasty OBA`s out of the formula ! | ||
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My whiteys are brilliant | ||
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Post# 582402 , Reply# 48 3/14/2012 at 16:32 (4,424 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI) |
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Post# 582442 , Reply# 49 3/14/2012 at 19:20 (4,424 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Post# 582443 , Reply# 50 3/14/2012 at 19:21 (4,424 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Yes there is no oxygen | ||
| Post# 582487 , Reply# 51 3/14/2012 at 21:16 (4,424 days old) by stan (Napa CA) | ||
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Post# 582675 , Reply# 52 3/15/2012 at 14:29 (4,423 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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I read about it wayback | ||
| Post# 582745 , Reply# 53 3/15/2012 at 23:12 (4,423 days old) by stan (Napa CA) | ||
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Can't seem to | ||
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Post# 582758 , Reply# 54 3/16/2012 at 00:10 (4,423 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 582775 , Reply# 55 3/16/2012 at 07:58 (4,422 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Stan See "E. Smulders"
"Laundry Detergents" Pub Wiley-Vch. Verlag GmbH, Weinheim 2002.
The chemicals of the OBA's are all based on anionic diaminostilbene and distyrylbiphenyl derivatives. "They do not biodegrade easily in primary digesters as they have a high affinity for textile fibers and sewage sludges" But I have seen text speaking of high affinity for skin molecules as well. | ||
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Post# 582784 , Reply# 56 3/16/2012 at 08:28 (4,422 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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 If you want to know what old Dash smelled like, get a box of original Tide with Bleach and take a whiff. When Tide with Bleach came out, P&G simply pulled the card for the old Dash formula, added some O3 and blue speckles, IMHO. This was before the advent of "HE" detergents and I noticed immediately that it had what P & G used to call "controlled sudsing". They even promoted it back then on a product card they sent me as being a low-sudsing detergent. I was using a Filter-Flo back then and they always need low sudsing deterents. I'll try to find that card but don't hold your breaths.It's still my favorite detergent, I want to try Persil but I'm afraid, if I like it, it's too expensive for someone like me who's spending over 9K a year on health insurance. | ||
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Post# 582790 , Reply# 57 3/16/2012 at 09:08 (4,422 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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I think that somewhere I have my last box of Dash unopened in a zip lock bag. I will do some looking. | ||
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Post# 582809 , Reply# 58 3/16/2012 at 11:27 (4,422 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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OBAs may even affect our sex lifes negatively | ||
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Post# 582855 , Reply# 59 3/16/2012 at 13:18 (4,422 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Eeuuuw Stefan
thank you. I know I would never use them. They just mask a problem anyway. Either your product CLEANS or it doesn't!
Good luck Tom let us know what you find. Baja will check out the powdered formula Tide w/Bleach today! I know it can't be identical to Dash but I bet it doesn't fall far from the tree. The main ingredient in DASH was HYFAC457- hydrogenated fish oils & fats which are no longer made by BASF. | ||
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| Post# 582961 , Reply# 61 3/17/2012 at 03:25 (4,421 days old) by stan (Napa CA) | ||
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Thanks Guys
for ending my confusion about OBAs! Started my research! (not near finished thou) I never realized what they were!
The words " Optical Brighteners " always made me think that it just had a little Borax in the mix!! Who knew! And who the hell laid up all night, and thought it up?? So thank you for not using them, although I guess they are all stuck to me and every thing I've ever laundered, never to be removed (according to what I've read so far) Been working on my own natural product for a little while now, so I'm interested in the topic! What I'm doing is not near as complicated as what your doing, and I'm not trying to suppress suds for my purposes, and don't expect it to go anywhere with it LOL But I'am curious to know what you are using to " buffer hard water" Hope that not to bold to ask? Tell me its a trade secret, if you do think it is LOL | ||
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Post# 583002 , Reply# 62 3/17/2012 at 09:55 (4,421 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Post# 583016 , Reply# 63 3/17/2012 at 12:12 (4,421 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Washing soda is the least expensive "filler" they can put in powdered detergents. That's what Arm & Hammer detergent was full of when it was introduced, not baking soda. It is a precipitating water buffering agent, not one of the more expensive non-precipitating ones. | ||
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What's
a "more expensive non precipitating" STPP ?
To my understanding Washing Soda is more than a filler, or water softener, it boosts the alkalinity of the water quit a bit, and aids in the shifting action of greasy dirt ect. It may be a bid rough on the fabric, and washer parts, but will "Break" certain soils, and stains loose effectively, maybe not a good idea to use all the time, but... | ||
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Post# 583197 , Reply# 65 3/18/2012 at 09:33 (4,420 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Boosting alkalinity
is one powerful way of cleaning, Hospital Laundries use this technique and then rinse the laundry back down to neutral but it will wear out the fibers of the clothing quicker. In one of my trials I boosted the ph too high and my cotton shorts came out looking like they had been sand blasted and aged 10 years!! It was like all the fibers had been swollen up in the fabric.
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Post# 583335 , Reply# 67 3/18/2012 at 17:53 (4,420 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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OBA's & "Bonding" To Skin
While it may be true chemical brightening agents used in laundry products can leave a residue it important to remember the effect is short lived.
Humans shed top layers of skin at various rates depending upon age, sex and other factors so whatever the effect of OBAs soon sloughs off with the layer of dead skin cells. If one ceases using any laundry products with such chemicals sooner or later all traces would leave skin surface. OTHO the reverse is also true. OBAs in general are not very long lasting on textiles, which is why they are included in most all detergents and many fabric softeners. Should one switch to a non whitening agent detergent/fabric softener sooner or later laundry will loose the chemicals over the course of future launderings. Being as that may however it means one's whites and colours may appear duller and dingy. | ||
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Post# 583485 , Reply# 68 3/19/2012 at 08:59 (4,419 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Not with Rosalie's - Lauderess | ||
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Post# 1026916 , Reply# 69 3/12/2019 at 21:24 (1,870 days old) by Mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas) |
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What happened to Rosalie's detergent? Wanted to order my first box and see that it's out of stock. Did production end? Barry | ||
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Post# 1026926 , Reply# 70 3/13/2019 at 00:10 (1,870 days old) by robbinsandmyers (Conn) |
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Per their website....
March12,2019: Hello loyal devoted Rosalie’s Customers! Just a temporary heads up , we have run out of Rosalies at the moment and are making more just as fast as we can. I apologize if this is causing a hiccup in your laundry schedule. Please stand by Rosalies and I will post as soon as I have a delivery schedule for you, as our manufacturer is very busy this time of year.
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