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Post# 93086   11/9/2005 at 17:00 (6,713 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Now this is getting rediculous! Darn thins are not even in stores yet, but... CLICK HERE TO GO TO launderess's LINK on eBay |
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Post# 93096 , Reply# 1   11/9/2005 at 17:45 (6,713 days old) by arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)   |   | |
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WOW! Those pictures are the first real look I have had at those machines, shots of the drum!! Looking at that drum shot should put to rest all those stories about this machine being an LG copy as the drums are nothing alike. |
Post# 93118 , Reply# 2   11/9/2005 at 20:38 (6,713 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )   |   | |
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Post# 93123 , Reply# 4   11/9/2005 at 21:05 (6,713 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 93126 , Reply# 5   11/9/2005 at 21:13 (6,713 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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At almost 32" deep, too tight a fit for our laundry area methinks. Looks wise reminds me of the MaySung compact washer. Still, like the idea of a true H-Axis tub, even if the outer tub is plastic not SS. Decent capacity for several hundred dollars less than a Speed Queen front loader. However GE's appliance history of late does not inspire one to rush out just yet. My main question would be build quality. Something designed to hold large amounts of laundry needs good construction especially bearings. With the washer selling for below $800 (MSRP), my guess something in terms of build quailty had to be compromised. Not in a bad way mind you, but would doubt if this washer is true "commercial" quality. Launderess |
Post# 93140 , Reply# 6   11/9/2005 at 21:48 (6,713 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Oh, come now! Everyone knows that once a washer is actually offered on the market, it's already a complete bore. Buying a washer that exists in real form is so passe. True connoisseurs of the washing machine are interested only in the ones that were never made available. The front-loading Amana (circa 1996), which existed only in brochure form, is a perfect example of the perfect washer. :) |
Post# 93180 , Reply# 7   11/10/2005 at 03:22 (6,713 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 93202 , Reply# 8   11/10/2005 at 07:41 (6,712 days old) by kenmorepeter5 ()   |   | |
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Which is the GE cylinder slant or straight? - Peter (kenmorepeter5) |
Post# 93235 , Reply# 9   11/10/2005 at 13:10 (6,712 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 93241 , Reply# 10   11/10/2005 at 13:35 (6,712 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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No need to use poison yet. Although I had to bring you bad news about the Amana frontloader (if I get the harddrive of my old computer installed on my new computer I might even be able to show them) there is some consolation too. There is a non-existent washer that never made it to the homes. The name? Volkwaschvollautomat The only thing I can reveal about this washer is that it is a Euro-American coproduction. |
Post# 93247 , Reply# 11   11/10/2005 at 15:40 (6,712 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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The man from Nederlands is correct! It is a true Euro-American coproduction. Coming someday in Adobe format! I have seen and played with the Amana Front Loader. I know somewho had one and let it go. The SQ is a better version, the tubs are the same in the two machines but after that Alliance completely redid the rest of machine. So the tubs are where the similarity ends. jet Amana's electronics were a complete disaster which is why they were all recalled for repair and then credits were issued after they got the machines back. |
Post# 93260 , Reply# 12   11/10/2005 at 17:13 (6,712 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 93311 , Reply# 13   11/10/2005 at 21:09 (6,712 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)   |   | |
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Post# 93325 , Reply# 14   11/10/2005 at 21:36 (6,712 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 93364 , Reply# 15   11/11/2005 at 03:17 (6,712 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 93862 , Reply# 17   11/14/2005 at 06:37 (6,708 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)   |   | |
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Ours are due in today (11/14/05).I saw them at the KBIS in Las Vegas last April.The washer interior is a lot like the Whirlpool but just a tad larger.The dryer is definately a GE super capacity model.It has the white powder coat interior and a lot of similarities to the GE stanard dryers made to match their top loading washers except for the front panel controls and the see through door.
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Post# 93868 , Reply# 18   11/14/2005 at 07:00 (6,708 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)   |   | |
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Post# 96613 , Reply# 19   12/3/2005 at 05:07 (6,689 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 96632 , Reply# 20   12/3/2005 at 09:58 (6,689 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)   |   | |
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We were sent a new plan o gram that shows the neptune tl and matching dryer being replaced by the new GE front loaders.My guess on why, is they are not selling that well.The sales on all Maytag products has deminished quite a bit especially now that we carry the new LG line.I personally have sold quite a few sets(over 200 !)and have yet to hear of any complaints or returns.That's from July 20th,2005 to now.I am also the number one appliance salesperson in our region and zone and just recently jumped to number 2 in the entire company!!!!!! I just got promoted to manager's position in appliances and was given a generous rase.However,my success comes from the knowledge I absorb from going to most of the shows and being a part of it all.With appliances being my lifetime compassion and selling them being my carreer,I am quite comfortable now with my work and enjoy having co-workers who have become my team of specialists!We are close and they know if they have any questions or are puzzled,I am there for them.The only way for a successful business is to carry what the customers want.We were carrying products (like the faulty Neptunes)that caused lots of negative attitudes with our customers.Once we were able to carry a dependable line and the word got out localy from our customers,others came to see what all the rukkuss was about.I am glsd we carry LG and look forward to the "Second Wave" this January when we'll be receiving their new shipment of an entirely new line of ranges,microwave ovens and a larger capacity "Trom"washer and dryer line.I can't wait!!!!
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Post# 96633 , Reply# 21   12/3/2005 at 09:59 (6,689 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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I found one thing interesting in reading the user manuals. For the dryer, it sttes the fabric/temp setting not only effect the temperature, but also the tumble speeds. I do like both though in terms of flexibility--it seems the various options are even more flexible than the HE4Ts. Although not published in a washer manual, the target temps were published in the dryer manual. cold 80, warm 105, hot 120 and sanitary 160. For the dryer, a couple of models have anti-bacteria heat settings.
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Post# 96733 , Reply# 23   12/4/2005 at 11:38 (6,688 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Rich, you can go to the GE web site and download the user manuals for both the washer & dryer. There are 10 cycles. Whites, sanitary, colors/normal, perm press, delicate, quick, stain, hand wash, active wear, rinse & spin. Some variations on the models offer a substitution that includes a wool cycle, a custom cycle (my cycle) and drain & spin.
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Post# 96867 , Reply# 24   12/5/2005 at 07:55 (6,687 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)   |   | |
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The new LG Troms will be a 4.0 cu ft washer and an 8.0 cu ft dryer.Due to their huge success here in the U.S.They will be available in red,white or blue !!!The combination washer/dryers are also going to have some special changes but that's another surprise I cannot reveal right now.I'd rather keep all of you in suspense!!!!
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Post# 96946 , Reply# 25   12/5/2005 at 18:06 (6,687 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 97029 , Reply# 26   12/6/2005 at 08:00 (6,686 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 97672 , Reply# 28   12/10/2005 at 11:11 (6,682 days old) by golittlesport (California)   |   | |
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Post# 97684 , Reply# 29   12/10/2005 at 12:40 (6,682 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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I personally LOVE when a stupid/pointless Greek word is thrown in by marketing geeks as if the masses have NO CLUE that it means. TRITON GE DW. Triton means third. GR=> (Proton, Deuteron, Triton). Three filters or wash arms WHO CARES? SP=> (Primero, Segundo, Tercero). We know these too from paint PRIMER- do it first. Tertiary roads => third tier. IMHO Nothing beats *Chroma-Color* TVs--> Color-color? That makes sense. |
Post# 97687 , Reply# 30   12/10/2005 at 14:08 (6,682 days old) by golittlesport (California)   |   | |
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Post# 97703 , Reply# 31   12/10/2005 at 17:38 (6,682 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)   |   | |
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My friend Rico and I went out washer shopping today, since his belt drive Kenmore is on its last legs. We hit Home Depot, K-Mart (yes, they sell Kenmore amongst others), Best Buy and Lowes. We were pretty set on an LG at Best Buy, until we found the new GE frontloader at Lowes. Coming in at $200 less than the LG, Rico decided it was the one for him. Being delivered tomorrow, I just gave him a crash course on front load washing. I'll go over to his house in a week or two to see how it works.
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Post# 97748 , Reply# 32   12/10/2005 at 21:20 (6,682 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 97766 , Reply# 33   12/10/2005 at 23:06 (6,682 days old) by tlee618 ()   |   | |
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Hi Peter, I am sure looking forward to hearing what you thing of the new GE's so please keep us posted. Terry |
Post# 97781 , Reply# 34   12/11/2005 at 01:55 (6,682 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 97788 , Reply# 35   12/11/2005 at 04:27 (6,681 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 97794 , Reply# 36   12/11/2005 at 08:24 (6,681 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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I did further check out my LG combo and now I can see their are some differences in tub designs and that it is somewhat different. I would like to see these units. But they are very simular in design. I wonder why GE didn't go with LG being they already have stuff going with LG. I can't wait to see these new GE's. Does anyone know if these units are direct or belt drive? Peter |
Post# 97800 , Reply# 37   12/11/2005 at 09:27 (6,681 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 98294 , Reply# 39   12/14/2005 at 06:25 (6,678 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 98881 , Reply# 42   12/18/2005 at 15:32 (6,674 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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The new GE's have made an appearance at the Home Depot in San Leandro... I got a good look at them last week. Here's my "review": New GE Frontloader I may have to revise my opinion of GE appliances. Or at least on this one. Last night I spotted the new GE front load washer ("Adora") at my local Home Depot. I have to say I am extremely favorably impressed with this machine, and its relatively reasonable price. I would have to say that GE has done its homework on this one, and has included many key features that we here on THS have been clamoring for quite some time. And at a great price. Here are the positives: 1) Giant 3.7 cu ft (IEC) drum 2) The drum is NOT tilted. It is, from what I can tell, a "pure horizontal" design. This should please purists. 3) The door is ample and wide, with very lightly tinted glass. The hinge looks strong and robust. 4) The drum is similar in construction (holes, appearance of metal, etc) to the smaller, less ergonomic Frigmore. However the paddles have little holes in them, presumably to help shower water on the clothes. The rear of the drum has an interesting pattern, almost like fins. This may be a stamping to help reduce overall washer depth, by accomodating the arms of the spinner support. But they may also aid in tumbling. 5) The boot looks clean and simple. 6) There is a prewash detergent dispenser. 7) There is an internal heater and a "Sanitize" option. 8) Fit and finish look quite good. 9) There is a "favorite" feature where settings for particular favored washer settings can saved. 10) The controls are up front, allowing for the most flexibility in washer placement. 11) The main control is rotary, favored by most consumers. 12) On hot settings, the first few seconds of fill are cold water - helping to avoid setting stains. 13) The overall footprint is relatively small. 30.5" front to rear. This is much less than the Duet/Hetties while holding as much if not more of a load. This one could fit in my laundry closet. 14) All this for only $899. This is a bargain considering the features of this washer. The Negatives: 1) Being a GE product, while the sales price is quite reasonable, parts are likely to be exorbitant. 2) The machine is made in China. This is probably the only way it can be offered for less than $1000, but still... 3) The only voltage option is 110 volts. This means the heater will not be able to work very fast to heat water. The manual states that the water heater must be set to at least 120 F for proper performance. 4) I couldn't find any up front "coin trap" door. Perhaps there is a coin trap hidden behind the lower front panel, but I didn't see any mention of it in the owner's manual. 5) The one I saw was white/white. The white of the control panel plastic looked a bit dingy next to the brilliant white of the metal pieces. 6) There is no drum light. This is one innovation by Maytag with the Neptune that more mfg's should emulate - In my humlbe opinion. 7) There is no way to set time for cycles. It's kind of dumbed down to "Whites", "Colors", etc type of control settings. But I suppose for most consumers this is just fine if not preferable. 8) I didn't notice any LED display letting you know how much longer the cycle would take, or for the inevitable error messages. But maybe I just missed it in my excitement. [Update: I see from GE's web site that the machines do feature an LED display giving estimated remaining cycle time). 9) The door is hinged on the left, and this cannot be reversed. Another innovation by Maytag with the Neptune that more mfg's should emulate. 10) The outer drum is most likely plastic, with concrete counter-weights. 11) Of course, this machine has no track record so reliability and performance are big questions. But I eagerly anticipate first owner reports as well as Consumer Report's eventual review. Would I own this machine! Yes, most likely, if I didn't already have a well functioning front loader, I'd get the GE (along with the longest extended warranty I could find). I believe, despite some limitations, it would be a superior washer to the Neptune and perhaps to all the other super-size front loaders currently on the market. This is mostly by virtue of its "pure horizontal" drum design. While I was looking at it, I pondered if I could get a set to replace my Neptune set... I wondered how much $$$ I could get for my Neptunes... they work fine, and have had sufficient repairs that I think they will run without trouble for several more good years. But I suspect they might be a "hard sell". So, if you are looking for a big front loader today, I think you may be lucky that GE has released what looks to be a fine machine. |
Post# 98902 , Reply# 44   12/18/2005 at 19:25 (6,674 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Thanks for doing the leg work Sudsmaster. Coin traps seem to be a dying feature on many front loaders sold in the United States. IIRC none of the Korean made "Maysungs" have them, nor does the aformentioned GE model and countless others. IIRC the Bosch/Seimans washers do, but owners are not "supposed" to open up the trap. Do not see where this is a benefit, mind you in the years of front loader use have never found much more than small amounts of lint in coin traps, but like to know it is possible to clean/solve a problem without an expensive repair call. What is some what interesting to me is that front loaders being offered in the United States seem more and more about price and less with construction for the long haul. Sure there are literally tons of cycle choices, but most are simply variations of the same four basic washing machine cycle choices we have always had: sturdy cottons, permanent press, delicates, hand washing. What does seem to be a trend is rather than include within the owners manual a "washing guide" to help with laundering, washers simply come with a cycle already built in. This wouldn't be a problem if the computer control boards are of top quality, but sadly that is not always the case. Everyone seems to be rushing towards larger and larger capacity, which again is a good thing as Americans never really seemed to like the small "Euro" sized machines. How ever with larger capacity comes increased stresses on certian parts including bearings and suspension systems. It is ok to advertise laundering 18lbs of laundry, but can these new machines do so day in and day out for years? There simply isn't any such thing as a free lunch, so it remains to be seen where GE is going with these units. It is all very well to bring a large capacity front loader to market for under $900, loaded with features. But if the unit only lasts five or six years (if that)before needing major repair work or being junked, where is the good in that? Launderess |
Post# 98924 , Reply# 45   12/18/2005 at 20:41 (6,674 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Sudsmaster, Thanks so much for the review -- today I went to sears and best buy and could not find it - looks like a awsome washer. I tried home depot 2 weeks ago but they didn't yet have it. I will try again. I have a LG combo and I thought for a long time they would go with the LG design and was surprised when they didnt. I would love to see these designs in a China website - I have the Little Swan website but cannot find FL washers. Peter |
Post# 98933 , Reply# 47   12/18/2005 at 21:48 (6,674 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )   |   | |
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Future repairs is what turns me off wanting to buy a new washer especially a front loader. I don't think I'm totally out to lunch when I expect my washer to last about 20-25 years with minimimal or no servicing. Heck my mom's only on her 3rd in over 50 years, mines going on around 15. I would be right pissed off if I spent $1000+ and it malfunctioned somehow within the 10 year range
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Post# 98934 , Reply# 48   12/18/2005 at 22:13 (6,674 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Are indeed for the most part built to a better standard than what one isgetting for home use today. This theory is borne out by the many Wascomat and other brands of commercial washers 30 or more years old still happily chugging away. Yes, they may have needed a repair now and then, but by and large still work as designed. If one has ever seen the inside of a commercial/laundromat front loader, it is amazing that inside such a big "box" lies truly simple machinery. Well built in most cases, but very simple. Bearings, hoses, innner and outer tubs and other parts are designed to be easily serviced (usually from the front if possible), with parts right off the repair persons truck. Or, since many laundromat owners do their own repair work, parts that are always instock/easily found. After all for commercial washers time is money. A machine out of order is a machine taking up space and not providing revenue. Also methinks microprocessor controls on commercial front loaders have better mother boards and are more insulated from the heat and moisture which destroy cheap home units. Bearing in mind also that many commercial machines are still mainly electro-mechanical controlled IIRC. All this comes at a price though, even small 18lb laundromat washers run a few thousand. True one can find quasi-commercial units meant for less demanding bed & breakfast/beauty shop and such use, but many commercial washer dealers will tell you most of those lines are not much better than TOL home units. Read, lots of plastic inside and out. Think what we are seeing in terms of these uber front loaders for home use, are washers built to last at least the average age of home units. That is to say if the average American home owner keeps a washing machine for say five years before buying new, then five years of service is what the unit is designed for. I'm not saying five years before needing to be replaced, but it may be five years before a family moves or "Her Indoors" decides she wants the latest model and chucks her current washer. In short same thing we see with cars and other appliances/electronics. As one wanders around appliance show rooms it is amazing how similar most washers, especially front loaders seem to look these days. Not only in terms of design, but features as well. Which leads one to believe there are a handful of Asian suppliers cranking out parts for all these machines. Another difference between commercial units and home washers is that home units are being produced more and more in complete "sections/assemblies" rather than individual components. In a commerical unit one has a inner wash tub, outer wash tub, bearings and spindle assembly. Many home units have just "drum assembly" which is all several parts as one. While this does save labour costs in terms of building the appliance, it usually means if one part, say the bearings go, the entire assembly must be replaced. Many,many FriGeMore units were simply chucked because the cost of a tub assembly including parts and labour was near or over the cost of a new unit. Once Whirlpool gets their mitts on Maytag it will be interesting to see what happens to front loader technology in the United States. With really only two major players left in the market (three if one counts Electrolux), innovation may start to fall. What may also be interesting is if American consumers get fed up with front loaders with many problems,they return to top loading washing machines. Launderess |
Post# 98959 , Reply# 49   12/19/2005 at 01:43 (6,674 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Frontload fan, Thanks for the compliment. When I compared the new GE FL to the Neptune, I was thinking of my Neptune, which is the 7500. That one is only 3.2 cu ft IEC, or 2.9 cu ft real. I also figure that since the new GEFL is a true horizontal, it can fit slightly more of a load in it than a tilted drum of the same claimed capacity. The GE is a 110 volt machine. I don't know of any "full-size" 27 inch super capacity front loader in America, other than the commercial machines, that works off 220 volts. It's a shame, and one of those grumbles I have about the American style designs, and the GEFL does nothing to address this shortcoming. I also think they couldawouldashoulda have made the door reversible, but for under $900 I guess one can't expect to have all one's wishes met in one unit... As I understand it, the Duets and Hetties have coin traps, but they are hidden behind the lower front panels. The Adora might well have one hidden behind the panel, as well, but I didn't see any mention of it in the owner's manual. FWIW, the Neptune 7500 doesn't have a coin trap either, not even a hidden one, but I've never had a problem with a coin getting past the labrynthine door boot, and I've routinely found loose change in the wash drum after a wash. I figure one would have to shove a coin into the gap between the drum and the boot to get one in there. The Maytag man said he's only seen one coin trap issue in all the machines he's visited, and it was a quarter, which was exactly the right size to clog the old pumps. We both agreed a child was probaly involved in that one ;-). In any case, servicing the pump and clearing a clog looks relatively simple once you get the 7500 front panel off. With regard to cycle times... the Neptune 7500 allows one to select various tumble patterns - from cotton/sturdy to hand wash, independently of the wash time (from 5 min quick to 34 minute extra heavy). It also allows you to set the spin speed independently, as well as the temperature. And all these combinations can be named and stored as "favorites" items, retrievable at the push of a single "button". So you could have a heated hot 130F five minute handwash cycle, with pre-soak and max extract spin... if you so desired. Laundress, Thank you as well. I'm not sure I'd classify the GE FL as a BOL machine with lots of cost cutting measures. The low price is mostly due to its counrty of origin - China - where labor is very inexpensive and factories can pollute and do other things that boost production but would be illegal here. I think GE finally put its thinking cap on when it came to designing the machine, realizing perhaps that the design need not be so limited by manufacturing cost considerations. Reliability, of course, is a big question with any new machine. Quality control has been a problem for many companies that have outsourced production to China. However, as much as I dislike how Jack Walsh ran GE, their Six Sigma program is designed to result in excellent quality control, and if they are able to apply this discipline to their Chinese partners the machine might well last longer than just a few years. Still, I'd recommend getting the longest extended warranty available. |
Post# 98960 , Reply# 50   12/19/2005 at 01:52 (6,674 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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The main problem I have with the commercial front loaders is that most of them do not have features necessary for residential use: 1) They are typically rigid mounted, which means you'll need a concrete slab about four inches or more thick to mount them on. Forget about putting one in on the second floor in most homes... 2) They typically lack a drain pump, instead being intended to drain by gravity into a sump. 3) Most of them have rather slow spin speeds, maybe 600 rpm. A possible exception might be the Speed Queen/Huebsh premises front loader, which has a stainless outer tub and presumably other features typical of robust commercial machines like easily replacable drum bearings. It even has a right-hinged door, which is nice for those of use with laundry facilities that can't accomodate a left-hinged fl door. But the SQ/H also is saddled with very dumbed down controls, with 15 minutes being the longest possible wash cycle. And I understand the one with an internal heater is hard to obtain. |
Post# 99584 , Reply# 51   12/23/2005 at 17:19 (6,669 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 99602 , Reply# 52   12/23/2005 at 19:17 (6,669 days old) by golittlesport (California)   |   | |
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Post# 99619 , Reply# 53   12/23/2005 at 20:38 (6,669 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 99832 , Reply# 54   12/25/2005 at 12:14 (6,667 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Post# 99862 , Reply# 55   12/25/2005 at 18:20 (6,667 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 102951 , Reply# 57   1/11/2006 at 00:27 (6,651 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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They are very new so new customers are few and far between. You might check over on ThatHomeSite; people who are more into modern washers hang out there a lot. There have been some initial reports; I recall two: one from a dissatisfied user who may have gotten a lemon or a machine that wasn't properly installed (shipping bolts may still be intact); and another who seems quite happy with it. |