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Post# 583562   3/19/2012 at 13:21 (4,412 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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So... This store, which I have gotten some other stuff puts a lot of their things on C/L... I have been driving by this place that had this thing in the window. I asked some friends about it, and tried to talk myself out of it. I drove past it some more. Saturday I went in and looked at it... Saturday I bought it...
What could it be?
Hint, there's more to this picture than the coppertone...
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Post# 583564 , Reply# 1   3/19/2012 at 13:25 (4,412 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Post# 583566 , Reply# 2   3/19/2012 at 13:28 (4,412 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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Post# 583567 , Reply# 3   3/19/2012 at 13:31 (4,412 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Post# 583570 , Reply# 4   3/19/2012 at 14:10 (4,412 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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Wow Ben, that's amazing...
Yes it is a 1958 Maytag 142...
This is the oldest Maytag I now own, being older I think than the N2L wringer by a few months.
The guy wanted some $$$ for the machine, but I got it for less and got a matched set of Coppertone 1976 model A407's with it. Basically I got this machine, plus 2 still nice Maytags for less than the original asking price.
I spent most of the day on Sunday cleaning and testing the machine, and it works well, very smooth. I need a couple of lightbulbs and there is a slow lower seal leak. This machine was taken out of service working, belonged to an older lady who passed away, all 3 machines came from the same house. Grams used the 142, no dryer, and had an E2LP in there as well. The machine was off of the kitchen in an enclosed sun porch.
I noticed a few replacement parts in the machine, like belts and a newer water valve. The pump is original to the machine is seems or was replaced by another 1958 pump. I was surprised at the differences in this early Newton/Helical machine. The motor, pump tub supprt and the old AMP lid, very cool.
Here is a pic, I think it's in VERY good shape for it's age aside from the lower oil seal. Machine has seen some use, but is not worn out.
-Tim
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Post# 583573 , Reply# 5   3/19/2012 at 14:12 (4,412 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Post# 583578 , Reply# 6   3/19/2012 at 14:33 (4,412 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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Post# 583580 , Reply# 7   3/19/2012 at 14:36 (4,412 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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Post# 583581 , Reply# 8   3/19/2012 at 14:40 (4,412 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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Obligatory money-shot...
The tub is worn a little, not through, but the white has dulled considerable. Also the agitator is well used and unfortunately stuck in for the time being. Some minor rust around some of the lower holes. As you can also see from the pic, the tub cover is NASTY. This will be dealt with. I also found a lot of what appears to be Chex Mix in and around the machine...
PS the tub is not listing, the machine is uneven in the driveway.
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Post# 583584 , Reply# 9   3/19/2012 at 14:43 (4,412 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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Post# 583586 , Reply# 10   3/19/2012 at 14:48 (4,412 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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Popped the front panel off to see what I was getting in to and to see how this thing was put together. As you can see, there is a fair bit of oil sling in the cabinet. There is also a bit of oil underneath. I have no way of knowing how old the oil is and how fast it leaks yet. Check out the non-Poly pump and that huge motor spring. Again, she didn't look bad for a 54 year-old machine inside. |
Post# 583587 , Reply# 11   3/19/2012 at 14:52 (4,412 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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The motor setup in this is like none other that I have seen on a Maytag. The motor sits in a cradle, with a pivot attached to the lower arm of it. The cradle pivots on a bearing attached to lower arm and has an adjustable tension spring attached to the pump. It works well and I can't see there being much maintenance involved with this setup as opposed to the motor carriage of the later machines.
Also notice the big, fat 2-speed GE motor...
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Post# 583589 , Reply# 12   3/19/2012 at 14:56 (4,412 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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Another 1st for me, a metal poly-pump. When cleaning I wiped the date of of the pump, but it was made in "Feb 1958" so I can only assume it's original to the machine. Look's exactly like a poly-pump, just metal. There are no issues with the pump. The giant spring and hook are the tensioner for the motor arm. I assume that the screw castings on the top were for a suds valve if equipped?
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Post# 583591 , Reply# 13   3/19/2012 at 15:03 (4,412 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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Time to clean that tub cover mess. I'm not sure what the mess was, but it was nasty, I got most of it off. The top is raised as normal by two 3/8" screws on each front corner. I though the black porcelain underside was neat as well. Also, while you can't really see it there, the outer tub is speckled. The rubber supply hose was still in good shape as well. I thought the aerator thing was cool as well. |
Post# 583596 , Reply# 14   3/19/2012 at 15:43 (4,412 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Don't scrub too hard, the filter is supposed to look like that :D
The early 141/142 washers had the 'copper' anodized lint filter, ultra-rare in comparison to the later SS filters. The copper color theme was used only for a few years, and was also used on the timer dial escutcheon. You've got a keeper there. The original swing mount for the motor turned out to be more trouble prone than the later motor glide. The one's I've seen have weak springs and cannot uniformly provide enough pressure against the belt to properly transfer the torque early in the spin. What I’ve always found intriguing is the poly pumps made all the way till the end can be adapted to the motor spring in case they were used as service replacements for the early Helical trans. This machine is in really good shape. The trans may need some attention, but in this day in age, any Maytag this old will need new fluid for effective washing. Also amazing is to see an original pump, pre-TBI! NICE FIND! Ben |
Post# 583608 , Reply# 15   3/19/2012 at 15:55 (4,412 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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Ben how would you suggest cleaning the screen section? It's a bit rough. I have no intentions right now of pulling the tub or anything, everything on the machine checks out, and I will be installing it in the laundry room soon for light use. I am going to keep an eye on the oil leak.
The machine rolls into spins very strong and the agitation is very brisk, so excess slip or bogging here. This machine is also near silent when spinning. It won't see much use, but I'm also not afraid to tear into it if needed, I'd like for it to be around for a while.
-Tim |
Post# 583613 , Reply# 16   3/19/2012 at 15:57 (4,412 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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Post# 583624 , Reply# 17   3/19/2012 at 16:02 (4,412 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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This is a neat little thing. A porcelain chute connected to a hose with a copper water pipe feeding it. I'm assuming this is an aerator? The roommate was curious to what it was, he thinks the machine is screaming 1950's design, I am loving all of the little designs on this early machines as I've only really dealt with the 06' series. Even the Highlander is very different. |
Post# 583640 , Reply# 18   3/19/2012 at 16:12 (4,412 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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Post# 583642 , Reply# 19   3/19/2012 at 16:15 (4,412 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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Post# 583643 , Reply# 20   3/19/2012 at 16:17 (4,412 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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Post# 583647 , Reply# 21   3/19/2012 at 16:21 (4,412 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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This has been replaced at one point. This is a plastic valve and has newer Maytag logos on it. It has 3 solenoids on it, I think this is a thermostatic valve, how does that work exactly?
This is the only part of the machine that hasn't been water tested, but they all buzz. HOT is fairly quiet, COLD is sort of loud and WARM is loud.
This pic was taken pre-cleanup and you can see some of the oil and mess in the machine here.
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Post# 583648 , Reply# 22   3/19/2012 at 16:21 (4,412 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)   |   | |
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Post# 583649 , Reply# 23   3/19/2012 at 16:22 (4,412 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Wow, VERY NICE Tim! Congratulations! Very purrrdy!
I'm amazed at how small the suspension springs are... TINY, wow!
On the water fill tube, I don't know that it's so much an aerator, as the old / original design of air-gap.
Kevin
P.S.... there is so little rust because of all the OIL that had been flung around, it was protecting it! (ducks & runs....) |
Post# 583651 , Reply# 24   3/19/2012 at 16:25 (4,412 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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I'd soak the filter in vinegar to soften up the lime deposits, and brush away the lint. Take a look down the detergent shoot in the agitator to see if there are chunks of lint down there. These have the true pump style filter and actually draw more water through the filter than the passive filter on the '67 and later agitators. Use vinegar as well to release the stuck on deposits around the air gap output nozzle. You want this to be nice and clean for an efficient fill!
I wouldn't bat an eye at the washer if it sounds good with a decent load of wash. Keep your ears open for a low pitched groan during the agitation stroke as the agitator shaft bearings may be dry. I brought home an A702 years ago not far from this washer in condition, with a slight leak. A year later and about 3 dozen loads later, all the oil leaked out and it barely would wash. Keep your eye out for excessive oil leaking. The new thermostatic water valve is a good sign. Don't worry about the noise from the coils. Usually when there is pressure on the valve they quiet down nicely. Ben |
Post# 583652 , Reply# 25   3/19/2012 at 16:25 (4,412 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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This was stuck on HOT when I got it, I removed the switch and attempted to clean and lube it, but the switch, while it does work, it VERY stiff. Is there anything that can be done for this or any replacements available? If not, it will stay on HOT or Warm anyways probably.
Also does this machine automatically do a warm rinse for both WARM and HOT settings?
Also here you can see the date on the pressure switch of "3-58" which corresponds closely to the date that was on the pump. |
Post# 583657 , Reply# 26   3/19/2012 at 16:34 (4,412 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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The lid was a real treat as well, I have never seen one of these up close let alone the insides. This lid was dry inside and the wiring still soft and corrosion free. In here I found that the machine has a tub light! it's blown, but I was pretty psyched. I ended up jumpering the green and grey wires so the machine would run with the lid up, bypassing the mercury switch. This machine has a separate OOB and lid switch, so I still get OOB protection while watching the wash action. What's better is that the tub light has it's own lid switch so that it lights when the lid is up only. So I can watch the machine without worrying about out of balance AND with a tub light shining on the action. The bulb is blown, going to try the hardware store for a replacement.
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Post# 583658 , Reply# 27   3/19/2012 at 16:36 (4,412 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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Post# 583661 , Reply# 28   3/19/2012 at 16:39 (4,412 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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Post# 583679 , Reply# 29   3/19/2012 at 17:31 (4,412 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Post# 583695 , Reply# 30   3/19/2012 at 18:00 (4,412 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)   |   | |
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Tim very NICE Maytag washer ... I love that cap on that model shiny maytag looks so vintage and clean. Great find best to you on the restore. The pair of Maytags you got in your laundry room are the best. I have not seen them in such good condition.
Ben your Avitar is interesting new friend ? She is working those washers Sir.
Darren k
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Post# 583704 , Reply# 31   3/19/2012 at 18:31 (4,412 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 583707 , Reply# 32   3/19/2012 at 18:41 (4,412 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 583714 , Reply# 33   3/19/2012 at 19:11 (4,412 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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WOW Tim that washer is in good shape, you can sure tell that the owner liked her wringer washer. It is a good idea to clean the end of the little copper fill nosel both inside and out as Ben suggested as the mineral build up will sometimes make the fill stream squirt to the side a little and cause a leak, and Kevin is correct that this is just an air-gap more than an air-rater. The pivoting motor mount was a much better idea than the four plastic motor rollers with two equally spaced motor tension springs. This earlier system allowed the main drive belt to feather the tension for a smooth easy take-off when trying to drain and spin out the water. But when it was in agitate the motor pulled back and the machine would take off and really agitate without all the silly slipping that the later system had.
MT was the only washer builder that made a washer where if you put a heavy load in or if the transmission oil was cold and thick that the machines agitation would slow down and take it out on the main drive belt. They had it right on the first Helical drive washers and they finely corrected it on the later LAT models when they moved the tension springs to one side of the motor carriage. This was always one of our biggest headaches when fixing 1960s Maytags and all the way through into the 1990s was trying to get the motor tension springs right so it wouldn't slip too much during agitation and yet not stall the motor going into spin. |
Post# 583720 , Reply# 34   3/19/2012 at 19:48 (4,412 days old) by geoffdelp (SAUK RAPIDS)   |   | |
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Tim ... that's a BEAUTIFUL machine. Boy, I'd say you got "tagged" this weekend. What a find!! Can't wait to see you operate it with a load. Definite late 1950's styling and dependability. Way to go; CONGRATS again!! |
Post# 583726 , Reply# 35   3/19/2012 at 20:02 (4,412 days old) by AutoWasherFreak ()   |   | |
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What a beauty! |
Post# 583727 , Reply# 36   3/19/2012 at 20:03 (4,412 days old) by AutoWasherFreak ()   |   | |
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What a beauty! |
Post# 583764 , Reply# 37   3/19/2012 at 22:20 (4,412 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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Thanks for the comments. I water tested the inlet valve tonight, HOT and COLD are good, but WARM was a little weak and noisy, but did fill sufficiently. I cleaned the copped nozzle with a small pipe cleaner, there actually wasn't any buildup aside a little crust around the outer tip in the pics.
Patrick, that "thing" on the table is the 1953 Hoover Wringer that I've been restoring. It's a tiny thing, really puts into perspective how small it is. Since the 142 is pretty much ready to rock, I'll get back to that one next week. It is a ground-up restoration, EVERYTHING needs painting and attention, it's a job for sure. Kevin, the only other machines that I have with any lights are the Super Highlanders, which have a pilot indicator like a 606. Also the bulbs are not screw-in, they are like automotive bulbs that have the little pegs to lock in. I did not have luck at the hardware store finding anything like them, although the tub light did flicker a couple of times earlier and then flashed and went out. But yes, the fluorescent is magical, it's so pretty and this IS my FAVORITE pattern of glass. I never realized it was such an early pattern, John had a machine in the warehouse with this pattern, and it's one of the reasons I made the lit logo my avatar. It's such a pretty logo. John, there is tub wear in the section with no holes, it's dull as is most of the tub, but the white is not worn through, I've seen worse for sure. I was fascinated by the differences in this and even my 65, such a different machine in so many ways. I think the previous owner did like her wringer, it was well worn, the aluminum tub was rough looking and rollers were flat-spotted. They also wanted a fair amount for it, too much for me. I was thinking about it just for the pump kit for my N2L. The 142 machine was used recently though, and was repaired last year (drive belt), I found a service slip from Brown Appliance, a local company in the back of the machine, it mentioned the temp switch being NLA and noted that the customer requested it to be set to HOT which it was when I got it. The temp switch is EXTREMELY hard to push, but I can change the setting, just have to work with it a little. I also checked the name on the ticket to the obituaries locally and found that Ms. Baxter (so we'll call her) passed away only a few months ago in December and at a whopping 94 years old. I also drove past the address that was on the slip (feeling a little stalkerish...) and it was in a neighborhood that was built in the mid-late 50's, so chances are it could have well been original to the house. |
Post# 583845 , Reply# 38   3/20/2012 at 06:45 (4,412 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 584371 , Reply# 47   3/22/2012 at 07:58 (4,410 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 584376 , Reply# 48   3/22/2012 at 08:35 (4,410 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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The basements in these houses are walk-out rears, but this machine was on the 1st floor in use according to the guy that sold it to me from the estate. This machine was in a back porch, sun-room thing with the louvered glass windows. There was a laundry sink in there. I picked up a Coppertone 1976 407 set that came from the same house, but they were in the basement. Only one half of the house has a basement (left half). This house is actually a duplex, hard to tell from the pic, but it has 2 front doors. The 142 was on the back porch on the right side, and the 407's were in the basement on the left, the owner lived in the right side of the duplex with no basement.
I don't know if she bought the 407's or not, I have not torn into them, but they are mint, and soon as I get another chance in the garage I'll make a post. The spanner nut under the agitator on the washer has NO BUILDUP of any kind, the nut is still shiny aluminum and you can even see the embossed MAYTAG and part number logo, tub is still gleaming and the aluminum dials have not been exposed to any moisture. Supposedly the washer doesn't pump water and the dryer doesn't heat, but we'll see what the deal is soon. I will probably move the Coppertone set along after inspection and repair, I just don't have the room.
Jon, here is the best pic I have of the transmission, you can't see it all, but it looked like a normal Newton Power Unit. Also I do not know what the lady died of, but at 94, I'd take what I get I suppose.
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Post# 584377 , Reply# 49   3/22/2012 at 08:58 (4,409 days old) by in2itdood ()   |   | |
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What a great machine and thread! Please keep the information and pictures coming! scott |
Post# 584760 , Reply# 50   3/24/2012 at 10:07 (4,407 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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I filmed and for a change, edited together a video for the maiden wash. Lot of talking and a truncated complete cycle. Still not the video editing quality of some of the other vids, but I thought it turned it ok.
Enjoy hopefully! CLICK HERE TO GO TO macboy91si's LINK |
Post# 584766 , Reply# 51   3/24/2012 at 10:42 (4,407 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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Post# 584770 , Reply# 52   3/24/2012 at 10:57 (4,407 days old) by in2itdood ()   |   | |
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Very nice! Hope I can get a machine running and looking this good soon! |
Post# 584792 , Reply# 53   3/24/2012 at 12:11 (4,407 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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Yes, I got very lucky with this machine. Aside from inspection and cleanup, this machine needed very little. The machine still needs a few things but is fully usable as of right now. Scott, I am envious of your L5 find and that WP machine you got is also going to be very nice.
Gordon, LOL @ Maytags. I never had a real center-dial Maytag until November or so last year. We had one when I was a kid that replaced an older Kenmore 70, which was my 1st washer I ever had been around. I thought the Maytag was neat looking, it was a 106. The machine was irritating to me because I could not watch it and it did not make the woo-woo Kenmore sound of the previous machine. The machine lasted only a few months before something died and that was that. There was always something that I thought was classy about it. That has stayed with me, and now that I have a few (lol!) I really like them. I now have Maytags from the 50's, 60's and 70's. I have no interest in 80's/90's aside from maybe getting a Neptune at some point. I like all things, I like Westinghouse F/L's as well as WP/KM and GE machines, I like how different they all are. -Tim |
Post# 584794 , Reply# 54   3/24/2012 at 13:00 (4,407 days old) by Revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Post# 584800 , Reply# 55   3/24/2012 at 13:35 (4,407 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)   |   | |
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Like Kevin said Tim I never saw or knew that a Maytag lid had a light inside.
It is so cool the different lighting the control panel does. I think Robert once demod that the lid switch can be bypassed by the consumer... is that correct or... I remember Robert in the video put he's hand down in the washer basket And the agitator jerked his arm very hard ...then he laughed . That was sooooo funny. Great video Tim as always. Darren k |