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Post# 589545   4/15/2012 at 05:04 (4,392 days old) by badgerdx ()        

So I assume the vast majority of users on this site are men (and a goodly percentage are gay... figured that one out, too)... so here's the question...

Many of the appliances we love: The washers, dishwashers, vacuums, etc etc were mostly designed by men, to be used by women. Often times marketed either directly to women, or "through the husband" to "delight the little home-maker"... (one ad, I remember, hinted that "with this machine, she'll have more energy at the end of the day...(wink wink)".

(I love the Christmas & mother's day advertisements, especially... "Oh honey, I didn't want that Tiffany ring and blue point mink: What I REALLY wanted was this new Maytag!")

WHERE does this love and fascination come from? Is it the combination of the masculine with the feminine? Many of the members do their own mechanical repairs and restorations (Hi Robert & Fred!) and yet laundry was traditionally in the realm of the female home-maker. Is it the lovely period styling of the MACHINE combined with the memories of mothers and grandmothers using them? The Yin and Yang, if you will? I was born in 68, but my love is of the machines from the 50's UNTIL my birth, really... Modern machines don't do it for me, but yet many of us LOVE the "glamour" of the Brady-bunch era push-button harvest gold wonders. Where does it come from?

Why do I feel I want to write a term paper on this? I eagerly look forward to your responses.





Post# 589548 , Reply# 1   4/15/2012 at 05:32 (4,392 days old) by retro-man (- boston,ma)        

Interesting thought here for a topic badgerdx.
My interest came as a very young boy that anything that was plugged into a wall outlet and had moving parts was always a mystery to me and i wanted to find out how it worked. This included toasters, blenders, vaccuums, washers dryers dishwashers mixers etc. Anything that broke or no longer worked properly was replaced and then the old ones were given to me to take apart and see the workings in it. One of my favorites were record players. Plugged in made movement and made music. I had the whole basement wired with speakers everywhere from a stereo that i had repaired. My parents were amazed at the sound from all over the ceilings downstairs. That started my fascination with appliances and such. That turned into automobile engines along with lawnmowers snowblowers and all types of gas combustion engines. The real topping to the cake for me was when my father would take me into work with him on the weekends. He worked for a transistor and capictor manufacture. They had these huge gas furnaces that had to bake the components that were fed by an assembly line type of machine. it was most facinating machine to watch. I would sit there for hours watching while he would take care of other tasks. He would also allow me to assist him in many home repairs and appliance repairs around the house so i guess thats where it comes from for me.
Jon


Post# 589563 , Reply# 2   4/15/2012 at 06:51 (4,392 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Jon, you would have loved the trips I made with my father to bottling plants with a bottle washer that was almost a block long and metal link conveyor belts carrying bottles through the whole bottling line. The pins that loaded the bottles into the cradles at one end of the "soaker" as they were called and then lowered them from the washer onto the conveyor were almost hypnotic. The way the bottles rose up on the circular filler and then through the capper was poetry in motion, like something out of the movie Modern Times. The conveyor line ran through open-topped boxes with a big wheel inside. This box was full of a soapy water solution for lubrication and the wheel forced the links under the water to lubricate the links thoroughly. The sound of all of this machinery operating was grand also.

I was initially drawn to the machinery in washers, the mechanical motion and the water movement of washers. Whenever the repairman came, I was looking to see what he was doing and asking lots of questions. Machines were as fascinating as a carnival ride and right there inside the house. From washers, the interest grew to other appliances as I encountered them. There is even something magical about the flow of electrons through the resistance coils of a heating element that impresses me. I, at times, wonder if there is something of an alien race in us from a place where people somehow were drawn to electricity for their life force. Maybe there have always been souls that loved mechanical things and we are the most recent incarnations. It's probably far more mundane like a step on the autism spectrum. Did you know that in regions of the country where there are fire ants they are drawn to electrical equipment like switch boxes? They are a big problem because they cause short circuits. At least we don't do that.


Post# 589573 , Reply# 3   4/15/2012 at 07:56 (4,392 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        
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When I explain my fascination to intelligent people, people who aren't jumping to judgements or attitudes, what they usually say is something like, "Oh, just like some guys are into vintage cars".

 

The second or third time I heard that, I reflected and concluded that, gay or straight, boys like toys. To expand on that, I knew lots of male friends who developed an interest in cars because they stood by their fathers as they fixed or tinkered with the family car. My Father didn't do that; even though he was into lots of "guy" things like guns and war and tools, he couldn't have cared less about cars. What he DID do, because he had been in the signal corps in the army was work on electrical motors and circuits. Whenever the family Electrolux and sometimes the Filter-Flo broke, before he would call a service person, he would take them apart himself and fix them himself if he could and this was one of the rare arenas where I could spend creative, recreative time with my Dad and learn from watching him. Of course I started to appreciate and be fascinated by these machines. It was also one of the unusual areas where he became a more benevolent teacher. One of the best things he ever did for me, when he realized at a very early age that I was interested in bells and whistles is he took a piece of Masonite pegboard and installed all sorts of little lights, bells and buzzers that were all connected to a 9-volt D-cell battery. It is one of the biggest sadnesses and regrets of my life that during one move or another it was lost.

 

At the other end of the spectrum, I was attached to the hip of our "Help", an angel named Mae Gravett, who did the housework with me tagging along. I used to love watching her do the laundry and she would put me up on the sink and I would watch our BOL Whirlpool spin. I still remember the feeling of excited anticipation as the machine would do the neutral drain and then wait for the machine to decide to start spinning. Mae had a Timeline Norge in her own home and she took me to see it. Mae had been a neonatal nurse at Bellevue and my Father liked her and asked her to come take care of his two kids. Mae stayed with us until 1969 when she left to marry a very wealthy man named James Taylor and begin the life she should have had from the beginning. I started writing away for appliance brochures later that year.

 

Maybe being gay helps to overcome the inhibitions of fearing to appear "sissy" (since it's academic at this point)for an interest in what used to be called "women's work". There are people that persist in thinking that I'm more that a little strange for being interested in appliances. One of the joys of age is being able to look narrow minded people in the eye and tell them to go fuck themselves.


Post# 589594 , Reply# 4   4/15/2012 at 09:57 (4,392 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
hmmmm

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Interesting question. I'm into many things mechanical. My straight brothers and friends rely on me to tune up cars, do brake jobs, wire in new circuits, and install toilets and dishwashers. I rely on them for decorating advice, clothing choices, etc, yet I am quite the sissy bottom boi(old queen.)

On these washers and dryers, it started for me when I bought this 1916 home and wanted a daily use reliable stove to match its 1940's kitchen. A Chambers range was found and restored by me, and it just led to other vintage appliances. Also, some folks tinker in the garage on cars, some watch way to much TV(BF) and I tinker in my basement, the whole thing is a workroom. I do my own plumbing and wiring for all these washers and dryers, do all the repairs and restoration my self, and I am long over the standard ideas of Women's work versus men's work from my folks generation. I can my own jelly and jam, sew up curtians myself, dress terribly, can't decorate a room to save my soul, know all the recent Broadway hits and old Judy Garland movies, and change my car oil myself, jack or jackie of any trade I choose. The boyfriend is significantly more standard issue male.

And once I'm done with repairing and restoring 8 washers and 6 dryers, I surely enjoy every load of dirty clothes, I watch it all and have a fun basement evening, no computer or tv in front of me.


Post# 589598 , Reply# 5   4/15/2012 at 10:34 (4,392 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
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my experience was very similar to yours. My earliest memories which were gone for awhile but came back when I was bar tending in Boston in the 80's.
I was 3-4 years old when my parents had moved to Schenectady and we lived in an apartment at the time. Dad had bought a 1956 GE washer for Mom and it was installed in the kitchen beside the stove. So what my mother used to do when she started making dinner was to put a soap box or my high chair up beside the washer and start a load. That way she could keep an eye on me in the same room while she made dinner on the stove beside me. I got hooked, she had her big white appliance and I had mine and we were both doing something together.
Fast forward to my bar tending years- I had forgotten all of this. One day my partner in crime, Gail, made plans that we would do our laundry early and go to the beach before work the next night. She told of this great laundromat that had these terrific machines that really cleaned! I told her Gail, a washer is a washer is a washer! She emphatically said no! So as waiter you tend to get very dirty pockets from moving all that change all day long and my pockets were filthy. Off we go and do the laundry and the 'mat was an all Frigidaire Jet Action one. We'll to my amazement all the change grime was gone from the pants! I was hooked because my mother was complaining bitterly about her 1970 Kenmore 70 machine. It was a beast! So I decided I would buy her a new Frigidaire. Unfortunately it was 1980 and they were no longer available. So that put me on the hunt for second hand machines and that put me onto repairing them. I got her one a 1963 Custom Imperial, and she loved it. But my friends started asking me for machines so I started buying up and restoring machines for them and in one month I made $1200! Which was a lot of moolah back in 1980! Thats when the memories started coming back. From there I started finding 1950's machines and then the flood gates opened so to speak.
As for tools I loved spending Sat mornings in the basement with Dad or really loved going to Montgomery Wards over in Albany to get something. So the tool thing I learned from him.




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Post# 589624 , Reply# 6   4/15/2012 at 11:54 (4,392 days old) by thelaundrylab (Hampshire UK)        
The Domination of Washing Machines!

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This was originally posted April 2011 but I did a few amendments...

Many of you know that I was born partially deaf and as a toddler I was a naughty child, simply because of the stress of not being able to hear (I've been told). Before I got my first hearing aid, I use to scream and tear the house down. My Mother was desperate to find ways to calm me down, which she eventually found the solution and stuck me in front of the washing machine, when it was on.

I apparently use to lean my head on the side of the machine and listen to the machine spinning around. The vibration use to calm me down as I use to hum with it (bad idea, this went on for years, me humming randomly round the house lol) 

My Aunty (my father's sister) owned a launderette, my mum and I use to go and visit Aunty often. My memory on this is very vague though one thing I remember is My Aunty would give me coins to start the machines. Through out the years my Uncle's owned several launderette's and dry cleaners. Came in really handy when my family needed there dry cleaning done lol. My brother and I would visit regularly and at the age of 16 I worked at my uncle's Dry Cleaner's every Saturday for a few year's.  

So back in 1985 I got my hearing aid at the age of five and I was starting to hear...that same year Mum had got the Hotpoint 95260 "New Generation" Super Electronic De Luxe. At this point my love for washing machines grew more stronger because of the amazing sounds Hotpoint had made. Not only that, it was a comfort for me, listening and feeling the vibration of the machine working that my mother instigated.  

When I was age 7/8 years old, I started helping mum do the washing. I was fascinated how the machine worked from start to end. I use to read the manual like it was my "bible". I learn't what each programme and button's did etc and knew the machine inside out. 

I then started comparing my machine with other people's machine. I would rush to there kitchen and if the washing machine was on I would sit and watch, and learn the whole process of the machine from start to end. Also investigating other wash functions, ie the half load button's etc. 

In the 80s mail order catalogue's were big, everyone had them...I use to ask my family & friends, if I could tear out the pages from the Washing machine section's and collected them. (Shame now though after years of hard work, I ended up throwing them away, like most teenagers, you think to your self why would I need them for and thought it wasn't a cool thing to do. Wish I hadn't now...) 

Most of my secondary school years was designing washing machine's on the school computer. I even included washing machine's in my story's...In the last years of my schooling, I really wanted to design washing machine's or work within that industry. I was often encouraged by family and friends to learn how to rip a washing machine apart and put it back together again. But due to a number of disabilities, I am not really suppose to lift heavy things, so lifting a machine would have been impossible, other wise I would.  I was often told this would've been a great career path, but back then I wanted to become a lot of things... there wasn't much information within that area and the internet in the mid 90s was still very limited. It wasn't till years later, I decided to become a musician and actor and my interest on washing machine's became my hobby and as they say the rest is history.   

Hass 

 


Post# 589626 , Reply# 7   4/15/2012 at 12:01 (4,392 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)        
Think there is definitely a gene

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on the Y chromosome for all things mechanical and structural... (also electrical, for me): cars, boats, bridges, houses, bicycles, appliances, motorcycles, stereos, guns, if it moves, smokes, makes noise or does something cool, I'm into it. Dad was a Mechanical Engineer, so get it honestly. Design of things is fascinating: architecture, furniture, industrial design, how it looks is as important for cars and appliances as how it works. I do draw the line at high fashion however... I take great pleasure in dressing like a stereotypical old fashioned blue collar car mechanic/appliance repair flannel shirt and grease stained-pants type of guy. No designer jeans, tatoos or jewelry to be found anywhere around here, and I can't stand to wear a tie!

Post# 589691 , Reply# 8   4/15/2012 at 16:19 (4,392 days old) by bertrum ()        
the gay question?

I can understand that most of the people on this forum are men as alot of us men have been brought up with mechanical / electrical repairs from our fathers or schools.

I cannot understand why an interest in appliances should attract a high percentage of gay men than any other mechanical or electrical hobby?,

Very interested in any ideas as to why this should be?


Post# 589696 , Reply# 9   4/15/2012 at 16:38 (4,392 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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anything that was plugged into a wall outlet and had moving parts was always a mystery to me and i wanted to find out how it worked
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Zackly. Plus when you're talking about a slantfront Westy, it's an action adventure. "How far across the floor is it going to dance this time?" Then it would unspring its snubbers and not work. HAH! Your feeble mechanics are no match for the power of ARBI! Now get on with it and make it snappy.

I was 9. TV hadn't discovered kids yet. The Westy was the most interesting thing in the house to watch. Summers, I spent much more time building mud dams in the creek across the street. Never lost my love for complex machinery. In the 80s I was master of the most complex piece of broadcast machinery ever made, the $1/2M Ampex ACR-25. Made the Westy look like a cup of tea with a spoon in it. But hey, ya gotta start somewhere.

What any of that has to do with gender preference, I dunno. I mean, women don't LIKE washing machines (statistically) much less understand them. Boys are SUPPOSED to like machinery. I did. I just happened to like boys too.


Post# 589709 , Reply# 10   4/15/2012 at 17:16 (4,392 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        
GTO's and Frigidaires

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I wrote this a few months ago in response to a member rebuilding his Whirlpool, but it fits quite well within this thread....

GTO's and Frigidaires
The honesty of the hobby –

This past weekend I held a gathering at my place, with about 15 or so people passing through the front door throughout the evening. One of the highlights is always the basement as it is the most hyped up point as past visitors always make their friends privy of the basement before visiting.

Once folks get downstairs, they love the panel lights, the different colors, and can always respect the history and memories provided by any vintage appliance. People grew up with their mothers or grandmothers using a conventional Maytag, or a belt-drive Whirlpool, or their aunt had a fun coppertone refrigerator in the kitchen.

Once the glitter and glam wears away, the conversation quickly turns back to me and the question is always – why? Why do I collect appliances? And the answer always comes back to – GTO’s.

I explain that I grew up turning wrenches with my father in the garage. My dad raced a 1970 Buick on the weekends, and would drag me along and taught me how to work on cars. Eventually as I progressed through high school and college, I was buying old beat up cars and dreaming of restored GTO’s and Firebird’s. I quickly realized though that the cars I admired were out of reach for a poor college student, but knew someday I would enjoy them again once I had an established career.

By pure luck a good friend ran across AW.org weeks after it went live in 2004 and told me I had to check it out. Besides Pontiacs I had also collected anything vintage that looked fun. It didn’t take long for me to remember playing with my mother’s center dial Maytag, and her nagging about leaving it alone while I was opening up the lid just enough to see what it was doing.

Appliances quickly replaced automobiles – they have motors, transmissions, water pumps, electrical components, suspensions. Everything a car has but in a small, convenient box that can be stored in a basement. Plus you could have many vintage appliances in a smaller space for pennies compared to a vintage GTO. Few people let others drive their vintage cars, but who cares if others wash their laundry in a vintage washer! I was able to get my hands dirty again and enjoyed seeing something come alive from the dead.

The morale of the story is, I was lucky to have been born into a house where my dad taught me how to troubleshoot and work on old cars. If you are mechanically inclined but have not worked on a washer, and while rebuilding a belt-drive Whirlpool/Kenmore is a large task, it is certainly no more difficult than say rebuilding a GM Turbo Hydramatic 400 transmission out of a 1970 Chevelle. Yes you’ll need to acquire service literature, replacement parts, and the proper tools to complete the task – but it is achievable.

If you are not mechanically inclined and find a task like this to be completely overwhelming, then vintage appliances may not be the right hobby unless you have the resources (aka CASH) and are able find a reputable repair agency who can find the parts and would even touch an old machine like a BD Whirlpool.

This isn’t intended to discourage your from perusing your dream of owning a vintage appliance, but meant to put a perspective about the depth of the hobby. We are all here to enjoy watching these machines work, and some of us are willing to get our hands dirty and learn something along the way.

Ben


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Post# 589748 , Reply# 11   4/15/2012 at 19:30 (4,392 days old) by applianceguy47 ()        

Escapism.

I tend to have an escapist mentality.

 

I didn't have the best childhood and in my early teens several things happened, all at once, that left permanent damage.  It really set me back and has cost me in almost every area of my life.  It took me years, decades to get to the point of living a "normal" life.   Suicide is what pushed me to get the help that helped me see how bad things were for me.  I'm better than ever now, but I'm 45. Though I may look like I'm in my 30s, mentally, I feel 75.  Major stress and is not something I can handle anymore.

 

Appliances were these, quiet, non-judgemental boxes that represented another world.  A safe world I could go to and be a part of.   And they were flexible.  I could improve them and make my mark.  I could fix them, change them, upgrade them.  And still not be judged, regardless the outcome. 

 

I remember, when I started refurbishing appliances in 1982, anticipating what type person would have owned my current find.

 

A grimey white Bol, washer, caked with hard water, lint, and scratched and dented was surely not from a good home.  

 

A clean, colored appliance with only a minor service  issue was from that quaint cape cod house, on the way downtown. 

 

The 70s hoover found at the Goodwill, without any attachments, but in pretty good shape,  well...  MOL.

 

What snooty neighborhood did that matched, nearly TOL, almond Whirlpool SET come from.  It even still has the plastic owners manual holder on the back.  Oh, and the dryer works.   Well.

 

It's funny, looking back, those quiet, uni-purpose machines, even with their design flaws, outdated features, mechanical problems, or owner inflicted damages,  seemed more real... than I felt.   

 

When I found Roberts site in 2002, it was validating. 

 

I no longer collect, though I have had at least 300 major appliances pass through my hands.  At one point I had collected a little over 70 (2002), and in record time.  I had a collection from 1982 to 1985, 1995, and 2002.  With arthritis in my hands and having suffered frost bite in my hands, arms, and feet, I doubt I will be collecting again. 

 

I no longer need the physical machines.  I also aim to not be so materialistic.


Post# 590468 , Reply# 12   4/18/2012 at 03:23 (4,389 days old) by stan (Napa CA)        
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This has been a very thought provoking question ! And thought you would have had more responses by now, than you've had, and thought someone would have had "THE" answer?

I'm not sure if you feel you have gotten a definitive answer, and I'm not sure if there is one! but the phenomena EXISTS dosen't it!

I know for myself it has mostly been functional items that capture my attention, I've been in a consignment store on occasion, and been in front of the tool section, and been attracted to the really old screwdriver set, or vintage power drill, not the newer one???

It may be that most (not all) gay men have some innate appreciation for quality... be that Art, or "The Arts" clothes, vintage cars, furniture, food, wine, or, in this case... appliances! LOL. That appreciation may come in different forms, based on the individual, and their life experiences.

Also there is "The Rescue" we've seen it hundreds of times here on the forum, the "rescued" washer or blender, going unnoticed, set out somewhere that no one wants. Most (again not all) gay men have had to rescue themselves, emotionally or physically, in order to live.
" Get busy living, or get busy dyeing"
So it's not a stretch for us to "rescue' and protect something that we see as worthy, something we call "quality" The engineering, styling, reliability, and most times, superior in "function" standing out, to us, in our ever increasing throw away society. Some of the restorations have been what you might call acts of love! Do you see where I'm going here?

I don't know if you realize the importance of your question, but I think I do... just don't have THE answer either?
I do think it's an excellent topic for a term paper, and I hope someone can put their finger on just exactly what the philosophical answer might be! So I'll be waiting LOL

If you do write something, be sure to share it with us!

Best to All
Stan


Post# 590521 , Reply# 13   4/18/2012 at 10:09 (4,389 days old) by kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan)        

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Bob,
You pose a very interesting question - one I haven't thought much about until now. What is the facination with all these old machines? Reading other members' postings, it looks like reason for this facination differs from person to person, but in many cases it is something that started in childhood. It stands to resaon that our early life experiences help shape our adult interests. I know in my case, my attraction to electrical appliances and machines started as a child.

My love for these vintage appliances is two-fold: First, I am in love with the design of these things. The melding of form and function. The fact the someone spent so much time thinking about how something should look, what would make it seem stylish, modern, sturdy, fancy, etc. Today, things are white plastic, black plastic or maybe stainless steel. When you look at seemingly simple things from yesterday like a mixer, blender, toaster or vacuum, it is amazing how the designers transformed them into - in some cases - works of art. A stove, washing machine, or electric roaster can truly be "beautiful" - and who doesn't appreciate beautiful things (maybe more gay men appreciate and celebrate beauty more than straight men - but that's just a guess).

My second reason for loving these is this: my mom. She loved to cook and she loved tools that helped her cook. My earliest memories are of her in the kitchen with her Sunbeam Mixmaster, making a cake, or at our Norge stove getting dinner ready. She loved Crock Pots when they came out, she had one of the first Corning topped ranges, she had a Lifelong Proctor-Silex perculator that was all glass and lit up. Mom is gone now, but forever in my heart and these things that she loved I now love, and having them around me helps me to keep that connection with her spirit, her love of cooking and of life.


Post# 590523 , Reply# 14   4/18/2012 at 10:34 (4,389 days old) by franksdad (Greenville, South Carolina)        

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Post# 590530 , Reply# 15   4/18/2012 at 11:05 (4,389 days old) by franksdad (Greenville, South Carolina)        
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My dad was not mechanically inclined.  He was a plumber until AR made him quit plumbing so he went to work as a carpetnter for a builder who built banks, churches, and small business buildings.  My brother, who was 18 years older than me knew my dad as a plumber and took up plumbing.  My dad was working as I carpenter when I was about 4 or 5  and I took up building and woodworking.  I loved going with my dad to hardware stores on Saturdays.  I had my own tool box and my dad was always bringing me scrap pieces of wood home so I could build birdhouses, doghouses, bookends, junk, whatever.    My brother-in-law, on the other hand, was truly a jack of all trades.  Roy could tear anything apart, washing machine, car, whatever, and fix it.  I was absolutely amazed at this repair ability.  Although amazed I never developed a keen interest mechanics.   But what truly fascinated me was standing on a stool in the kitchen and watching my mom's 1961 Lady Kenmore.  All my life whenever I need to go to my "happy place" I recall fond memories of my mom's 1961 and 1971 Lady Kenmores, going to Sears in Greenville (which had the very best Sears store) and checking out each and every one of their washers on display, helping my aunt do her laundry in her wringer washer, doing the family's laundry on Fridays during the summer when I was out of school, hanging the laundry on the line outside, and the smell of clothes that had been hung of the line. Up until I was 8 we lived in a neighborhood in Greenville where half of the kids I went to school with lived all around me.  We walked to school together, played together, and fought together.  When I was 8 we moved about 20 miles away into the country where there was no one around.  I no longer had any friends or playmates.  I was all alone.   Using the washing machine, I guess, became a game for me in some demented way.   I became obsessed with washing machines and I HAD to find out what kind of washing machine everyone in my family then everyone who's house I entered had.   I believe some folk receive joy from restoring a classic car or washing machine then there are us who receive joy from admiring and respecting classic cars or washing machines.   I also enjoy woodworking---not as much as I love washing machines, though. 


Post# 590538 , Reply# 16   4/18/2012 at 12:10 (4,389 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)        

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I started the fascination of a washer as a very young kid. My mother had a Kenmore wringer in the basement next to a double concrete sink. My father had fashioned a swing off the rafters and I would sit there and watch my mother do the laundry. One time the phone rang and my mother instructed me to sit right in the swing. She was gone all of 2 minutes and in the meantime I got this bright idea to take my toy cars and trucks and throw them in the washer as it was running. Naturally it jammed up and the motor started smoking. Ma thought that would be a good excuse to get an automatic and I was always on the chair beside it in our kitchen watching every cycle. There were 2 girls that lived next door to us and they had a Wolverine automatic washer and I spent more time playing with it than they did. I loved taking things apart to see how they worked and eventually it progressed to cars also. But later in life I gained the appreciation of older things because they were not only nostalgic, but better made. I used to only want the biggest, newest and best but today I figure, the only one I need to impress is me.

Post# 592489 , Reply# 17   4/27/2012 at 10:41 (4,380 days old) by bwoods ()        
...and another theory

Good observation, Bob!

Appliance affection, and the desire to save and restore vintage machines, does seem to have a higher occurence rate in those who are somewhat to the left in the
homosexuality--heterosexuality spectrum. At least in my observation, and it sounds like in yours too, as well as many others on this site.

It seems as in today's society, we are being programmed to overlook reality and pretend there are no behavioral differences in cultures, races, sexes and sexual inclinations. Even the ones who are saying this, I suspect, really believe that there are. But they have been programed not to admit this as it is politically incorrect. In all fairness, I think one reason people are being programmed to ignore reality is they don't want to stereotype the individiual.

For example, men tend to be interested in mechanical things, "gay" or "straight". But I have known some highly masculine "straight" guys that couldn't repair a damaged plug on a lamp if their life depended on it. (really) I have known some "gays" guys who are more masculine than any "straight" guy I know and can pull an engine from a car and grind down the camshaft and make an engine purr.

So we should recognize general behavior of certain groups and not live in a fantasy world we make up, but we should also recognize there are exceptions, and many of them.

So now with my theory, Bob.

In general men tend to be attracted to mechanical things and technology, I do believe its in our genes, hehe. Those who have been raised with their fathers may have this innate tendancy developed and honed by watching and assisting.

Those who are on the left of the homosexuality/heterosexual spectrum tend to be more emotionally sensistive and often a little more emotionally attached to their mothers (when raised with one).

So here is this innate interest in mechanics, engineering, technology, etc. Here we have these devices in our homes that are a practical product of mechanics and engineering. So they interest us initially anyway, but we also see these devices
used by our mothers day in and day out. They help them and make life easier for them, Since we love our mothers (or aunt, or grandmother) and we see something we are attracted to anyway, make there lives better and easierm it further develops that attraction into a bonding.

By the same token, those who are particularly close to there father (oftentimes someone more to the right on the homosexual/heterosexual spectrum) may develop this bonding with tools, machinery, etc. that their father (uncle, grandfather) uses and makes there life better Sometimes working on a car is a pleasant escape for a dad and the child sees this makes their dad happy. Something that makes their dad happy and they have a natural attraction to anyway may also cause them to bond with it. And a "straight" guy might emotionally bond with autos by the same manner in which a "gay" guy might emotionally bond with an appliance.

OK, so that's my Theory on the Philosphy of "Gay Appliance Bonding", Bob. :)

Remember,this is a generalization. We have some women on this site who have a fantastic handle on appliance technology, too, and yes, seem quite bonded to appliances.


Post# 592512 , Reply# 18   4/27/2012 at 13:13 (4,380 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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That's a good thread, it's been a subject of conversation with a friend of mine a few times!
I know I had an interest in appliances (big and small!), cars, radios, clocks, typewriters, mechanical watches, lawnmowers, outboard motors and almost everything that made sound, movement or had lights in it! (It was better if it had all of this!). I couldn't care less playing with other kids and didn't want to go to school either!

Neither my parents cared about cars or appliances or any of these things. As long as they are working, it's fine and they certainly didn't attempt any repair... But they certainly did notice I liked them because they were buying me a toy washing machine, battery-powered toy vacuum, lawnmower... But I didn't have too much interest in toys, I wanted the real things!

I did have some friends but, unlike most, I didn't like sports, or playing with transformers or GI Joes or video games...

As a kid, I never made the distinction about appliances being for girls or cars for boys... To me, they were all interesting machines!

As I began collecting appliances, I had no idea about it being related to being gay or not! I'm not gay and I know a few gay people who probably think I'm weird collecting this stuff! And as I think about it, there are also a lot of gays that collect old radios and old cars too... I noticed it after people I was used to talk to on a car forum did a coming out as being gay in a thread! I also bought vintage radios to a few persons and I realized quite a few were gay. A friend of mine who's a member of this board had an explanation for that. He thinks it's probably related to the fact that gay people often have more time for that, as many of them don't have kids so they may have more time and money for themselves and they're probably not embarrassed by the stereotypical "appliances are for girls" thing... He's probably right!
I don't have kids and I'm not embarrassed by many things in life (other than my look because I'm quite fat and I'm not too proud of that!) so that probably explains it for me!


Post# 592553 , Reply# 19   4/27/2012 at 19:29 (4,380 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)        
Bottom line here...

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isn't it great that we all: gay, straight, mechanics, butterfingers, collectors, users, knowledgeable, and not so (me!) have a place to come together to share and learn about this great hobby! I've made friends here and it's opened new hozizons, I'm very grateful for AWO... thank you Robert and all of you!!!!!!!

Post# 592598 , Reply# 20   4/28/2012 at 02:53 (4,379 days old) by stan (Napa CA)        
Well said

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Roger. And another good point made

Post# 594257 , Reply# 21   5/4/2012 at 19:41 (4,373 days old) by Carmine (Detroit)        

This is a very interesting thread. I stumbled into it by accident, so I hope you won't mind a "non-regular" adding his two cents. I am a straight man, but I don't judge others. For whatever it's worth, I can appreciate the "beauty" of attractive male bodies, (perhaps because I enjoy working out at the gym and changing my own body) but homosexual acts are not appealing to me, nor is the average dude. HOWEVER, in terms of how I'd feel about someone who did enjoy them, it's about as important to me whether you like Coke or Pepsi (I like Iced Tea, lol).

I am a pretty "sexual" person, and have been with a lot of women, although many of them haven't fit the traditional male stereotype of petite little spinners. Rather I've always preferred more of a sturdy-built woman, with a solid chest under full breasts, 5'8-6ft+ Give me a set of tall, big muscular thighs and calves over short bird-legs any day. It also works out well when you have to move large appliances, or smash down walls for remodeling. (see pic) I'm 5'10, 245lbs so it's also not some desire to be "dominated".

It extends to a woman's personality too... Can't stand little princesses who are afraid to break a nail. In the "hetro" world, these preferences are enough for insecure alphas to paint you with a wide gay brush. I couldn't give a shit, don't like stupid people anyways; but I can't help but notice. Included in this, I actually despise the dominance of pro-sports in our culture, yet being in-shape, muscular and able to fight if needed are important to me. Anyways, the point is I guess I'm not the typical straight guy in the eyes of some. No kids yet, but not automatically opposed if the right woman comes along, and I think that may have finally happened.

Whenever I stop in here, I always end up killing hours looking at the old appliances and reading the threads. I own almost a dozen old cars, and one brand-new "retro" car. I work in the auto industry in a very technical job, which I enjoy quite a bit. I've don't have a single TV in my house made after 1989, (all US-made Zeniths) and I wouldn't buy a stainless Chinese piece of crap appliance at gunpoint. I have a Frigidare Flair stored away for my dream house.

I remember being fascinated with appliances as a young child. Photos circa 1974 show me pushing around vacuum cleaner wands and pretending they're connected. I can remember being 3-4 years old and thinking my grandmother's baby-blue Kenmore canister looked "plain" so I made fancy nameplates for it with paper/crayons, and attached them with tape.

I guess I'm rambling a bit. I've come to this site for years and gotten some very good repair help from the message boards. That's what brought me here today, but this is the first thread I've ever seen that questioned the gay/appliance connection. Coming here as a straight guy, I felt like a minority within a minority, but everyone has always been nice. Just thought I'd add my $.02


Post# 594396 , Reply# 22   5/5/2012 at 10:39 (4,372 days old) by bwoods ()        

So, BadgerBob, wash anylight shed on your philosophical question?? :)

Barry


Post# 595551 , Reply# 23   5/10/2012 at 16:20 (4,367 days old) by badgerdx ()        

Well, it still begs the question, why these appliances having to do with cleaning and particularly things usually related to "women's work". I totally understand the plug in power thing, but why a washer, instead of... I dunno... a powersaw or drill press or something of that nature.

Post# 595554 , Reply# 24   5/10/2012 at 16:32 (4,367 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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I think it's as much about inspired industrial design as it is watching what the machines do when they go through their paces and the desire to understand the mechanics behind it.  It's the automation thing.

 

Power tools didn't have bling or glitz factors like household machines, and a drill or a saw that only does one thing can't compete in complexity with a washer that goes through numerous different routines and varies them from cycle option to cycle option.  About the closest you'll come to a power tool inside the average home is a KitchenAid stand mixer.


Post# 595649 , Reply# 25   5/11/2012 at 01:17 (4,367 days old) by stan (Napa CA)        
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"woman's work" has a thing to do with it!

Its has something more to do with mechanical function, and style, Most of us here don't do non functional!

As it shows in Robert and Freds "My crazy Obsession" episode, if there was one little sound that a machine made, that was not right, it was dealt with right away (to keep it functional) Or how many time threads are " Im trying to save this once beautiful piece of machinery, Help!" Look at how many of us have vintage autos here! I do, and I drive it!

As I said up thread, think about how we have each have had to save ourselves in some way? To find ourselves WORHTY
It's not difficult for us to see something that that can't hurt us, see it as ''worthy" and save it from destruction.

I'm not positive about this but I'm positive that 'woman's work" is not it! LOL


Post# 595653 , Reply# 26   5/11/2012 at 01:33 (4,366 days old) by k1rod (Scottsdale, AZ)        

It's kind of an enigma to me. I have an incredible fascination with laundry appliances. I think it stems from growing up in lower middle class Boston where my family had to find the next good $50 washing machine, in the bargain hunters guide, to keep the dirty laundry generated by our family of nine from piling up to the ceiling off the cellar floor, when our current machine took an irreperable dump. I saw lots of them com in and go by... I am not sure why this place seems to be such an attraction to gay men but that's OK. Which would be really strange to most of the gay men here because I am slightly to the right of Pat Buchannan! And I am a conservative Christian. I have found many of the gay guys here to be some of the most helpful and informative people on the site. They are great guys. I may not agree with them, but I don't have to.

Post# 595661 , Reply# 27   5/11/2012 at 03:05 (4,366 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Power tools-sorry to drift off the original subject---you should have seen the attachments for electric drills in the 50's--you could use your drill for a jigsaw,sawzall,circular saw,even-----an air compresser!so attachments for drills was the same idea as attachments for mixers-to make it a multi-use tool.You don't see these attachments for drills anymore.

Post# 595686 , Reply# 28   5/11/2012 at 07:42 (4,366 days old) by bwoods ()        

BadgerBob,

I think most on this site have a fascination with power tool, mowers, etc. It just doesn't come up as often because this is not a power tool site, but an appliance site.

I have a collection of GE power tools that they made in the late sixties. They were really cool, with a Main power unit, and inter changeable heads for a 3/8 inch drill, a 1/4 drill, a sander and jig saw. They also made a circular power saw which was not interchangeable, but neat nevertheless.

Until recently, I had a 1972 GE Elec-Trak E-15 electric lawn tractor.

So, I think the fascination, in many cases is for all things mechanical/electrical.

BTW. In one of the other threads you posted a picture of you and your horse. You are both photogenic. Do you have just one horse or several?


Post# 595697 , Reply# 29   5/11/2012 at 08:26 (4,366 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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It's about the water. Little boys love playing in water and some of us never grow out of it. :-)


Post# 595733 , Reply# 30   5/11/2012 at 11:26 (4,366 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Bob, as I stated in my previous post, I also collect other things like lawn mowers and vintage HiFi as well as vintage cars I know some members here do it too... I still think many guys, gay or straight are interested in washing machines and dishwashers but because of the stereotypical association of these appliances with females, I think some straight guys aren't as comfortable with that than most gays are, since gays already have to get over some similar "embarrassing" situations as they don't have a conventional life. Otherwise, gays wouldn't have to do such things as "coming out"...

I think it's just like girls who like to play hockey or football, guys who like figure skating or ballet... They all have to overcome something as being non-conventional to do what they like.


Post# 595756 , Reply# 31   5/11/2012 at 13:27 (4,366 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        
When's the last time

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. . . anybody saw an appliance repairwoman?   This is an interest of men almost exclusively.  Sexual preference is not a factor among professionals, or certainly hasn't been in my experience.  There is only one repair visit over a period of many years where I can recall my gaydar kicking in, and that happened within the last year.  Other than that, they have all been straight.

 

 


Post# 595767 , Reply# 32   5/11/2012 at 14:10 (4,366 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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The tech from A&E Factory Service who repaired my FAV6800 under warranty in Nov 2008 was female.


Post# 595789 , Reply# 33   5/11/2012 at 16:14 (4,366 days old) by badgerdx ()        
Implications of "women's work"

Just to clarify, I wasn't implying sexual orientation of anyone by mentioning "women's work"... In the original post opening this thread, I noted the dichotomy of an appliance, geared, styled and featured to appeal to women, but almost always designed and purchased by men. I think there is little wonder why so many of our beloved washers seem heavily influenced by automotive designs at the time. Some even have fins!... (agitator humour). Of course, GM, AMC, Ford, and Crosley (& probably others) also all had their appliance division and I wouldn't be surprised if some designers did double duty.

I would offer up that part of the appeal is that because many of us, as our earliest/fondest childhood memories, remember watching our stay-at-home mothers, inarguably the primary caretaker of past, doing the household chores. Combine that with a boy's inevitable love of "Gizmos"... and the resulting appeal of Washers, dryers (not as cool, because as Gansky1 so obviously stated they don't have water, suds, etc and we love playing in the water), vacuums, toasters, blenders, mix-masters and egg beaters (and the promise of cakebatter or icing to lick from the bowl and beaters)... Gizmos, a mother's affection, and cake-batter. What could possibly be better?

Later, as we aged, traditional gender roles asserted themselves through relational expectations, and we became "Dad's little grease-monkey"...Helping pass the tools as Dad worked on the car, or washer, or bike, etc.

I would also add, from personal experience, that I have a tendency to humanize appliances: Think of them as entities with some sort of soul, gender, possibly a name and a personality... How many times have I encouraged a recalcitrant (1972 Citroen Dspecial) to start with "C'mon boy, you can do it", or mentioned to the repair man or woman, that "The old girl seems to be talking back" when discussing a noise the washer suddenly started to make. BECAUSE OF THIS, like a surgeon trying to save a patient, I have a very hard time watching an appliance be junked/scrapped, expecially if it has "personality", as so many of the older appliances do, because of their gizmos, styling, eccentricities, rarity, etc.

That's my theory, and I'm sticking to it.

(and Bwoods, I used to help raise and train American Saddlebred and Morgan park show horses, and I still have my mare. The horse in the picture you mentioned is my late gelding, who died at age 30, having spent the last 20 years of his life under my care. He's buried on the farm here.)

The following picture is from the Hartford Auto Museum (Hartford, WI) and as many of you will recognize: That's a Tucker Torpedo, Vin #48, and the only known existant example with a factory (Borg-Warner) 3-speed automatic. Enjoy.

Cheers,
Bob


Post# 595858 , Reply# 34   5/11/2012 at 22:51 (4,366 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
everybody

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keeps bringing up women's work. It really wasn't women's' work, the former generations were brought up in classrooms designed to produce team players. There was "X" amount of labor to be done in having a home, and so in team spirit the labor was divided among the team players. Women got the lion share of running the suburban home, Men got the burden of wining the laurels to keep the home afloat.
I know from direct experience there were members of each team that were unhappy with their division.
So I think we need to take the sexuality aspect OUT of the equation.
Here is what I think, washing machines although assigned to women's work were -designed, engineered, created by mostly men. So other men would see this ,some men got fixated on drills, wood cutting machines, that was acceptable. Some men got hooked on washing machines as machines created by men and I also think some men saw admiration for the other half- their mother's labors not their father's labors.

I think its a simple as that.


Post# 595871 , Reply# 35   5/12/2012 at 00:14 (4,366 days old) by badgerdx ()        
Differentiation of sexuality, and traditional gender roles.

But as the team player part of the American family goes, (although I do completely agree that many families, my own included, did not like the pre-ordained division of labour) there was a gender separation of household duties: I can think of countless advertisements of the wifey looking on in amusement (or horror) as the helpless, hapless husband attempts cooking, ironing, washing those new green socks with a load a whites, etc... The man was the breadwinner, mowed the lawn, took care of the exterior, and she did the interior...

I could posit that you find perhaps a greater percentage of gay men interested in these appliances because we (speaking for myself, at least) feel less bound to traditional gender roles. That being said, it certainly DOES NOT cast assumptions of orientation on all men who have an interest in appliances like these.

Then again, I could simply be pissing into the wind on this one...


Post# 596868 , Reply# 36   5/16/2012 at 14:11 (4,361 days old) by abcomatic (Bradford, Illinois)        
Bob

HI guys, Bob, where is Hartford, Wisconsin? Thanks, Gary

Post# 597306 , Reply# 37   5/18/2012 at 12:25 (4,359 days old) by badgerdx ()        

Abcomatic: If you drew an equilateral triangle in WI with Milwaukee as the bottom right point, Madison as the bottom left, and Fond du Lac as the top... Hartford would be just less than half way up the right side... a bit closer to Milwaukee. I'd say maybe an hour-ish from Milwaukee? Here's the link. VERY worth visiting, in my opinion.... wisconsinautomuseum.com/...

Post# 597315 , Reply# 38   5/18/2012 at 13:15 (4,359 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
A slightly little different take

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My earliest memories are of washing machines, quite apart from mother/father bonding issues, and I have never really understood why. Then, the other day I had an epiphany.

 

Our Frigidaire WO 65 sat in an alcove off the far end of the kitchen. My mother would be busy elsewhere, while I sat in front of the machine, too tiny to see inside. She said I would gesture "up-up" and she'd lift me to see. I remember the intense fragrant steam and really hot water. Geraldine recalls that I spent a lot of time there. We had a user-controlled hot water tank at the time, and she would heat it high and long for my brother's diapers. He was 2; I was 1. We rented then, and my dad was a plumber. At one point he modified the plumbing which required new hoses, and the old ones were placed in a long store room where I played with them often. The hose for hot was an orangey-red. These are very early memories and there are dozens more, but let that suffice for now.

 

Tuesday afternoon, I was washing in the WO-65 and I bent down to pick up a leaf from the garage floor. In that moment, the Frig went into spin as my head and ear were passing the cabinet. There is no outer tub in these models and roar of water is spectacular. You all know that as infants and toddlers, we are the ultimate sensate beings. Everything is sight and sound and touch. That's when the epiphany came. It was the sensate and tactile aspects of the washer that imprinted on me, and now I'm hooked forever. Although I have learned to appreciate dryers and dishwashers since joining the AW family, I have no deep particular interest in other appliances or cars or tools--just washers. I wonder if anybody else is like me.


Post# 597358 , Reply# 39   5/18/2012 at 17:20 (4,359 days old) by badgerdx ()        

Thanks for sharing, Mickeyd... that's a cool story.

Post# 597406 , Reply# 40   5/18/2012 at 20:46 (4,359 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Cool story

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Mikey!! I believe it!




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