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Post# 603588   6/14/2012 at 13:03 (4,326 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

Hello :)
we have a new independent electric shop in town that opend 4 weeks ago, the owners i know from when they were in an industrial estate in Pengam.
they have very low end models in the shop as where i live is a bit of a depressed area, anyway, the sales man was showing me a catalouge with higher end and midle range machines in (if you want a better make eg gorenje you can choose it out from the catalogue and they will order it in for you) he was showing me zanussi fridges and freezers because we are looking to upraged to more energy efficent models,
i saw a dryer as he was flicking though the pages which looked suspiciousley like a whirlpool mixed with and older hoover dryer, i asked him what make it was and he told me that it wasmade by montpellier, he told me that they are owned by hoover?
if anyone can shed some light onto this strange brand i would much appriceate it :)
Tom :):)
the dryer in the pic is the same model of montpellier dryer i saw, they also had a vented model too :)




Post# 603635 , Reply# 1   6/14/2012 at 16:42 (4,326 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        

I don't think Candy have announced anything about Montipella or whatever it is!
Sounds Italian though, so could be them, but it doesn't match there Candy/Hoover design. Could be made by Whirlpool, or a private company. There are many private fridge manufacturers appearing (probably working with someone big - like Hoover, but not owned by them).

Post# 603640 , Reply# 2   6/14/2012 at 17:35 (4,326 days old) by ANDYVIVO (Essex)        

The vented dryer is oriental, so a good chance the condensor dryer is too.

Post# 603814 , Reply# 3   6/15/2012 at 10:35 (4,325 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

they look like the exquisit dryers that are on the german maket, in france they get them branded as 3 brands: "bluesky", "calafornia" and "HighOne".
in ireland, they are branded as "PowerPoint"
Tom

Post# 603817 , Reply# 4   6/15/2012 at 10:40 (4,325 days old) by chris74 ()        
Montpellier

 Couldn't it be French as it is a French town? It is not "exquisit", too TOL to be one of them...

Post# 603818 , Reply# 5   6/15/2012 at 10:44 (4,325 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

it looks to be of some generic origin

Post# 603824 , Reply# 6   6/15/2012 at 10:54 (4,325 days old) by andyvivo (Essex)        

Check this link, that is deffo Chinese, actually looks quite good!

CLICK HERE TO GO TO andyvivo's LINK
Post# 603844 , Reply# 7   6/15/2012 at 11:11 (4,325 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

im not a fan of them

Post# 603900 , Reply# 8   6/15/2012 at 15:07 (4,325 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Montpellier

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This is the site that i first spotted Montpellier dryers from. dad-online.co.uk Not the cheapest of dryers to buy in plus i guess not that easy to sell either with a brand name like Montpellier.

Post# 604056 , Reply# 9   6/16/2012 at 11:09 (4,324 days old) by FL1012 ()        
How Much?

 How much are they, Optima? It doesn't show prices to me, presumably because i don't have a log-in.

I think if you want a super cheap dryer you can do alot worse than White Knight. Im sure their quality has been dumbed down in recent years in-line with most makes of appliance, but the price of their Vented 44AW still seems competitive & they appear to be one of the few manufacturers who still make things simple enough for someone to repair themselves, which is effectively the difference between a machine being kept or written off.

Liam

Post# 604068 , Reply# 10   6/16/2012 at 11:34 (4,324 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

Hi liam :)
the vented model is £159.99 on bells domestics
and the condenser is £279.00 on combens domestics :)
Tom :)

Post# 604070 , Reply# 11   6/16/2012 at 11:39 (4,324 days old) by FL1012 ()        
Cheers Tom!

 In that case they're having a laugh regarding the condensor - you can get the basic Zanussi Condensor from John Lewis for £209 with 2 year warranty, and probably quite a few other condensors for less than the Montpellier one.

The vented one isn't a terrible price but why risk an unknown brand when White Knight/Indesit/Hotpoint are all around the same price? Not worth it in my opinion!

Liam

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Post# 604071 , Reply# 12   6/16/2012 at 11:43 (4,324 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

not a problem Liam :)
the zanussi dryer in the link is the same as mine lol
speaking of which, on appliances online's website they have a vented zanussi dryer for £195 and currys are floging them off for £179 :)
Tom :)

Post# 604194 , Reply# 13   6/17/2012 at 02:17 (4,324 days old) by FL1012 ()        
God!

 They're good prices, even if Zanussi have lessened the quality since the previous range - though i don't believe they're greatly different to the last models with the blue ring round the dial :-/

How have you found your condensor? I've just been offered a new job so am potentially moving & will probably need a condensor since it'll be an appartment i'm moving to & venting for my existing old Zanussi (Z930 Electronic Sensor) will be abit hit & miss.

Cheers,
Liam :)

Post# 604206 , Reply# 14   6/17/2012 at 06:39 (4,324 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

Hi Liam :)
I love my condenser :)
1 thing to mantion is that sometimes the filter will be hot to touch at the end of a very full load, ther than that its fantastic, i dislike the position of the water resovior, and alos, my dryer is in my wash house and ive got to leave the heat exchanger cover open in cold weather so it wont freeze :(
there's a couple of models on appliances online with the water resovior at the top of the dryer (if your stacking then go for the one i have)
one thing to mention is that they have a hard plastic mesh on the back of where the heater is so that if the power cord or anything that can easily melt or scorch dangles down the back of the dryer, it wont be damaged :)
Tom :)

Post# 604370 , Reply# 15   6/18/2012 at 03:36 (4,323 days old) by FL1012 ()        
That's Good.

 Cheers Tom. None of that sounds disasterous, much the same as my Mum's older Electrolux Condensor which is based on/same as the older metal door Zanussi Condensors.

Ours is in the garage & the water resevoir has frozen a couple of times too. It would be better if the resevoir was at the top but that seems to be on the more expensive Zanussi models only :(

The dryer i buy will be in an appartment so freezing shouldn't be a problem - i'll just have to put up with the resevoir being low down as the dryer is unlikely to be stacked on a washer. The cover to shelter things behind the machine from heat is good, particularly in an environment where the machine is fitted in-between cupboards & you can't see what's happening behind it!

Liam

Post# 604384 , Reply# 16   6/18/2012 at 06:50 (4,323 days old) by andyvivo (Essex)        
Liam

 You could always try one of those condensor vent traps for vented dryers, they are a bit hit and miss though. I guess the dryer won't be near a window to place the hose through?
Regards Andy


Post# 604416 , Reply# 17   6/18/2012 at 09:55 (4,322 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

those condense boxes are a rip off, my sister had one and it diddent work

Post# 604419 , Reply# 18   6/18/2012 at 10:04 (4,322 days old) by andyvivo (Essex)        

They can work, just have to be used correctly. The right amount of water (cold as can be) and the size of load, dryer heat setting, and how well spun the washing is are the main factors.


Post# 604443 , Reply# 19   6/18/2012 at 10:55 (4,322 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

it would be hopeless for me as my washers spin at 1000RPM, and also, my little white knight compact and hotpoint compact take about 70-100 mins to dry a large load

Post# 604458 , Reply# 20   6/18/2012 at 11:23 (4,322 days old) by andyvivo (Essex)        

I don't think you can beat venting externally, for speed etc. But the condesors are great for putting anywhere.
Hope your well Tom =)


Post# 604467 , Reply# 21   6/18/2012 at 11:35 (4,322 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

Hi again Andy :)
yes all is fine :)
i love cleaning my condenser dryer lol
its amazing how much fluff and grit gets passed the filter :O
the siemens takes all the fun out of it lol
Tom :)

Post# 604469 , Reply# 22   6/18/2012 at 11:38 (4,322 days old) by andyvivo (Essex)        
Siemens dryer

 Is yours a heater element condensor or have you gone all awich with a heat pump dryer? Does your siemens have twin filters like the Zan/lux's?
I hate cleaning mine, really annoys me that I cannot restore the condensor to new lol.
Andy

Post# 604476 , Reply# 23   6/18/2012 at 11:45 (4,322 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

hi Andy :)
the siemens is a heat pump model with dual filters :)
Tom :)


Post# 604479 , Reply# 24   6/18/2012 at 11:48 (4,322 days old) by andyvivo (Essex)        

Very nice, am I right in saying the condenser is flushed clean?

Post# 604494 , Reply# 25   6/18/2012 at 12:26 (4,322 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

yes, the heat exchanger is flushed clean, it makes a really cool shoosh noise when it does that :)
Tom :)

Post# 604502 , Reply# 26   6/18/2012 at 12:57 (4,322 days old) by FL1012 ()        
Condensor Boxes

 Hi Andy

I do have one of the Condensor Boxes somewhere, which i was gonna use when i was living away from home before. Never used it though. Apparantly you can put ice in it which is meant to make it work quite effectively. I dunno though, i quite fancy the idea of buying a condensor!

Was watching a Whirlpool Inspirations one on eBay but forgot about it & the auction ended, so that's that :(

Any thoughts on the White Knight condensors, like the 77AW? I know their vented dryers are fine but some people say the condensors aren't up to much. I'd just like to support them if i can (and don't get too tempted by my usual weakness for Zanussi), as they're one of the few proper British appliance manufacturers remaining.

Liam

Post# 604505 , Reply# 27   6/18/2012 at 13:02 (4,322 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

the WK condensers are really poor at trapping moisture, a relitive used to have one not too long ago, she said and i quote "never Ever again!"
the zanussi condensers are fab :)
im saving to buy a reconditioned whirlpool compact dryer that is based on the old philips compact dryer design ^-^ Tom :)

Post# 604516 , Reply# 28   6/18/2012 at 13:39 (4,322 days old) by ANDYVIVO (Essex)        

Hi Liam, I think the WK condensers are ok, but if I was to choose between that and a Zanussi, then a Zanussi every time. Although if the choice was between Hoover / Candy, or Indesit, then a White Knight over those.
Yes ice can be used with water in the trap, it will help keep the water cooler for longer. So better get on eBay for an ice machine for the house warming and for the dryer lol.
Those little Philips based dryers can also be found branded as Zanussi, Bendix, Carlton, hope that widens your search Tom =)

Post# 604523 , Reply# 29   6/18/2012 at 13:55 (4,322 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

Hi Andy :)
this is the site that sells the reconditioned compact whirlers :)
i love them :)
:) Tom :)

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Post# 604524 , Reply# 30   6/18/2012 at 14:00 (4,322 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)        
I agree with Tom.....

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Regarding the WK condenser, at least the ones from a few years ago. I used to support a lady who had on in her bedroom, after half an hour or so you could see the condensation on the windows. Hers was quite noisy and the door felt very flimsy. A couple of other people in the project had Zanussi Condenser dryers and they were great, if I were in the market for a condenser dryer at a reasonable price then it would be a Zanussi.

Post# 604582 , Reply# 31   6/18/2012 at 16:57 (4,322 days old) by ANDYVIVO (Essex)        
Heat pump dryer

 Do these generate a fair amount of heat in the drum, as in comparison to a conventional dryer? or is it considerable difference?

Post# 604670 , Reply# 32   6/19/2012 at 02:02 (4,322 days old) by FL1012 ()        
Thank You! :D

 Thank you all! Glad to see that (possibly quite unusually) everyone has the same opinion on Zanussi vs White Knight Condensors.

Mums old Zanussi-based Electrolux condensor is horrendously noisy & compared to that, the White Knight i heard was quiet, but i'm guessing the newer Zanussi's with the plastic doors are considerably quieter.

Sounds like White Knight is almost like a 'runner-up' to Zanussi, which is good up against giants like Hoover/Candy & Indesit. I think (especially given the price difference is so small) i'll go for a Zanussi if i buy new and if i see something cheap on eBay, i'll consider White Knight too, but given that the dryer will be in an appartment (probably in the spare room) i'll have to think carefully about getting something that releases condensation. If it were in my own house i might risk it, but can't have paintwork being wrecked in a rented place! :-/

As a final note, any thoughts on Whirlpool condensors? The heating elements seem to fail early if eBay is anything to go on, but just wondering about noise & moisture retention? The last generation 6th Sence ones seem to go cheap - for a reason?!!

Oh and i'd love an ice machine! Though at this rate i'm gonna need a penthouse rather than a humble 2 bed place!!

Liam

Post# 604687 , Reply# 33   6/19/2012 at 06:20 (4,322 days old) by andyvivo (Essex)        

I would hope that any of the problems that people have experianced with White Knight condensor dryers have been addressed & refined by Crosslee.
Still the Zanussi design has a better door loading width than the standard White Knights. Helps with the bigger items, and I don't find mine too loud.

Yes the Whirlpool dryers, we sell lots and lots of those heaters. And Whirlpool parts are never cheap (known to be outrageously expensive against any other major brand) And there is no real reason why. I personally would avoid Whirlpool.

Post# 604714 , Reply# 34   6/19/2012 at 10:00 (4,321 days old) by FL1012 ()        
Thanks!

 Once again, thanks Andy :)

I'd heard about Whirlpool parts pricing. I like the styling of their products but 1 year warranty with a general feeling that they won't last much beyond that without needing bearings (washers) or heating element (dryers) plus extortianate parts pricing does nothing to encourage me to buy a new Whirlpool product. I could be tempted with a 2nd hand one at the right price but not new unless they offered a better warranty.

I have, however, had a development. I bid on a Zanussi ZDC37200W this morning & have had a Second Chance Offer on it as the winner apparantly bid in error! The guy is offering it to me for £85, but i have a £25 voucher from eBay following a problem i had with a sale a few months ago, so i could have it for basically £60. It's a 2010 model which would be £209 new in John Lewis. Sound a good deal?

Liam

Post# 604718 , Reply# 35   6/19/2012 at 10:11 (4,321 days old) by andyvivo (Essex)        

That does sound like a bargain, hope everything is A ok with it. Let us know how you get on :) Andy

Post# 604723 , Reply# 36   6/19/2012 at 10:33 (4,321 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

Liam, that zanussi your bidding on is the same as mine :)
except that mine is a 2012 model :)
Tom :)

Post# 604727 , Reply# 37   6/19/2012 at 10:47 (4,321 days old) by FL1012 ()        
Location Location Location......

 Cheers for the prompt response guys. Yeah i hope it's all ok too, though the seller has 100% positive feedback with a high number of transactions & says it's in excellent condition so hopefully it'll be fine.

Im just waiting to find out exactly in which part of London he's located before saying yes, but i suspect it'll be a go-er!

I would've ideally gone for the next model up, with sensor programs, because i believe the timer doesn't move on the newer timed Zanussi's, but tbh it's a small detail given the price.

Liam

Post# 604730 , Reply# 38   6/19/2012 at 11:02 (4,321 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

the timer doesnt move on this model :(
just a case of using a kitchen timer or keeping an eye on the clock lol
mine sounds like a hair dryer (so not irritationg just very wind rush sounding)
Tom :)

Post# 604731 , Reply# 39   6/19/2012 at 11:16 (4,321 days old) by jetsystem1200 ()        

I really like these Zanussi dryers, in fact I think they are the best dryers this side of Miele. This is because BSH dryers, even though they have higher build quality, for the most part, don't reverse the drum so clothes get tangled easily. These Zanussi dryers are also very good at drying, and mine takes a maximum of 60 mins to dry towels. These dryers may not be the quietest or the best looking, but I think they are some of the best dryers out there.

Finn

P.S. Had a look at a White Knight condenser in Comet a few weeks back. Can't say I was too impressed with the quality or the features for the price.

Post# 604733 , Reply# 40   6/19/2012 at 11:23 (4,321 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

the siemens heat pump dryer i feel can be a bit harsh on certain fabrics but normally i have no trouble off it :)
regaurding what Finn said, i agree with you, the build is very good but i dissagree with the BSH comment, they have a spoke in the back of the drum to prevent tangling
Tom :)

Post# 604742 , Reply# 41   6/19/2012 at 12:27 (4,321 days old) by FL1012 ()        
Bought!

 I've bought it, will collect at the weekend :)

It's a shame about the timer not moving but this was the case with my late 1990s Zanussi vented Electronic Sensor dryer that i've recently sold (still have an early 80s Sensor one), so i'm kinda used to it. I'll just put it on & wait till the noise stops & then check it! Only a small price to pay really.

I had read (i think on here) about someone who recently bought a Bosch dryer but found it didn't reverse. Not sure if they're all like that but it's abit poor given that they do cost quite abit more than Zanussi, Hotpoint etc. I doubt i'd have bought a BSH dryer anyway - i'm not convinced that their lower-end products are much better than Zanussi & their higher end stuff gets close to Miele money. Certainly my Gran's Bosch Clasixx dishwasher was poor, lasting only 18 months-2 years of very light use before the circuit board failed. Combine this with all the Electrolux Group products we have in the family (more than 10 items) that have outlived our expectations, i'm abit of a sucker for Zanussi/Electrolux.

I know Zanussi are not quite the quality brand that they were but their dryers seem to be largely similar to those being sold several years ago, all of which seem to last a decent length of time given their price bracket, certainly when compared to their rivals.

White Knight's do feel flimsy, though i would've bought one had it not been for the comments regarding moisture retention. I just can't risk that given i'll be living in a rented place & the dryer will be in the spare room or living area. The flimsiness of the door etc doesn't concern me too much as i am very careful with my possesions though obviously the Zanussi being abit more solid is a bonus. I'm more concerned about what they're like under the surface & it seems both Zanussi & White Knight are reasonable in this respect. Rightly or wrongly i use eBay & UK White Goods forum as a judge of which products fail most & find there to be lower numbers of White Knight & Zanussi dryers than Hoover/Hotpoint/Indesit/Whirlpool/Beko. Given all these brands are similar prices i think it makes sence to support White Knight & Zanussi. If this one goes wrong i might have to reconsider my opinions!

Liam

Post# 604745 , Reply# 42   6/19/2012 at 12:46 (4,321 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

Liam be sure to post pics :)
these zanussi's have an increasing beep at the and of the cycle, they also have automatic anticrease built in :)
their dryers are way better than thier washer of the past 2 years, i had one and it was horrible!! loud and the door lock never worked, it had a plastic back panel that split within a weeek , i was happy to see the back of it!
the dryers get very high place in my books, the washers dont lol
Tom :)

Post# 604777 , Reply# 43   6/19/2012 at 14:48 (4,321 days old) by ANDYVIVO (Essex)        

The Bosch entry level were a mix of Whirlpool and White Knight dryers for quite a few years. If picking a used Bosch dryer, it is worthwhile bearing in mind you may not actually get a Bosch produced machine. When they phased out the older production dryers (tooling sold to LG) they used a lot of Gorenje dryers in the interim until the new production being fully operational.

I do like Electrolux products in general, but I think with the washing machines it does depend on what country they have come from, Malaysia seem to be the worst ones. The Spanish were ok. Poland I believe they have the new style machine with the filter access through the drum lifter. And then good old Italy, these tend to be either the nexus split cabinet or the AEG cabinet, and better quality then the others IMO.
Andy

Post# 604787 , Reply# 44   6/19/2012 at 15:11 (4,321 days old) by FL1012 ()        
I will!

 I'll post some pics once i get it home at the weekend.

I'll be sure to switch it off as soon as that annoying beeping starts! The anti-crease sounds handy though :)

I agree that the quality of the washers seems lower than the dryers, which is a shame as they're actually priced lower than they need to be - Zanussi seems to be aiming the lower-end washers at the Beko customers rather than focussing somewhere between Hotpoint & Bosch like they once did. They could've probably remained very popular whilst still charging £350-£500 and maintaining quality, rather than going down the £200 route & losing loyal customers who buy something off the back of a solid old Zanussi & end-up disappointed because it lasts 2-3 years instead of 5-6 like their washers a few years ago.

That said, the Parents have a 2007 Zanussi Essential ZWF14170W (link below) which has done over 3 years solid use so far (7-10 loads a week) & had an 18 month period in storage in a freezing cold garage (covering winter 2010 & winter 2011), which is a better lifespan than many people have experienced with both Zanussi & other makes, but predominantly other makes. Given that we always use the cotton cycles which spin after the wash and each rinse, i think it's doing ok as i think 7-10 loads a week is quite high for a cheap machine? (£230 new). I believe our machine was made in Spain as it's the Euronics special with a variable temperature dial that the bulk of the Essential models did without. The sticker inside the door says Made in Eu rather than Made in Italy like some other Zanussi's of the time.

Liam

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Post# 604797 , Reply# 45   6/19/2012 at 15:34 (4,321 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

@Liam the dryers are fantastic :-) your parents machine wouldve been made in poland if it had the standard zanussi drum with plastic lifters, like my sisters zanussi is :-)
@Andy my zanussi was made in italy, it was horrible really it was! The thiland made zanussis have the nexus cabinate and a metal back :-) the build of them is excelent, the european made zanussis have (or from what i was told) plastic spiders, they arnt strong and they can snap at high spin speeds its sad really to see such a sought after brand go so cheap. The plastic pullys are now plastic too, thankfuly, thier still strong like the metal ones
Tom :-)

Post# 604809 , Reply# 46   6/19/2012 at 16:24 (4,321 days old) by ANDYVIVO (Essex)        

Can't say I have heard of plastic drum supports, but could be possible! Plastic pulleys have been used for quite some time on many brands. Though plastic bakelite has been tried & tested on the early Hotpoint 1800 series, and Hoover 1100 matchbox machines right through to the final Softwave machines.

I think Electrolux were wrong to phase out the Bendix brand when this was positioned beneath the Zanussi range.

I have had two IZ16S, and it both have been absolute dreams. The first I bought was for my mum, and then one that was stored in the shed for at least 8 years, until I sold my mum's.
Both IZ's have had recirculation pumps replaced, but that has been it. If it wasn't for the sealed tanks, even on the latest most expensive AEG machines, I would still be very pro for the Electrolux group brands.
It is really unfortunate how great brands devalued.

Post# 604813 , Reply# 47   6/19/2012 at 16:28 (4,321 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

The IZ machines were fab looking :-)
My zanussi also had develpoed a scraping noise within the week i had it

Post# 604829 , Reply# 48   6/19/2012 at 17:09 (4,321 days old) by ANDYVIVO (Essex)        

That's not good, hope you were able to exchange it.
The look of the IZ was totally out there in style, and I love uniqueness. Also practically laid out and easy to operate, which certainly appealed to my mum after a few uses.
Mum was not keen on electronic fascias after I made her try a 9550A back in 92. First cycle she used on the microtronic was the mixed fabrics, which took around 3 hours. She was not impressed with that one lol

Post# 604835 , Reply# 49   6/19/2012 at 17:33 (4,321 days old) by FL1012 ()        
Thailand Made

 By Thailand made machines do you mean the ones like the ZWG1140M in the link below? I was worried when i saw these appear on sale but they seem to get very good customer ratings & i've seen no broken ones spring-up for sale yet either. They also appear more sturdily constructed (at least on the surface) than the other Zanussis.

I dunno about the internals of the European machines but i know our Essential has a metal back. Dunno if it was these that sometimes have a plastic back panel?

I agree with Andy regarding Tricity Bendix, it should've been kept as the budget brand rather than de-valuing Zanussi's image.

The IZ range was wicked. I'd like one of them or the Jetsystem XCs for my collection. Probably the last thoroughly well-made range of Zanussi's, lasting 8-10 years. The following range (FJDR etc) seems to manage around 7 years then the first ZWFs seem to be managing 5-6 years & then the ones like my Parents ZWF managing 2-4 years. The current range seems as yet unproven but the motors on the non Inverter models seems very grumbly & the quality seems to have taken a further tumble. They shouldn't have let things drop below the FJDR quality level in my opinion. I could see myself looking at other makes for washing machines if buying new in future. Something like Gorenje or the entry level LGs look quite tempting, though not the massive drum steam machines or anything like that, they don't do anything for me for some reason.

Liam

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Post# 604837 , Reply# 50   6/19/2012 at 17:46 (4,321 days old) by ANDYVIVO (Essex)        
Liam

 That ZWG1140 is a Chinese machine from Wuxi Little Swan. At work we have had a few motors damaged in delivery from Electrolux, and these are also Chinese, by Welling. But then Electrolux are not the only ones at this, recent Candy machines have Haier motors. But then I guess European manufacturers are reacting to the fact that there are very cheap products that can be imported from China. Btw your parents model is from viva la espana. =)

I think the next time I buy a new machine it will be something along the lines of Miele, V-Zug, Gorenje / Asko... maybe even LG. But hopefully that choice is some years away ;)

I would have liked an AEG protex set, but again for me it is the sealed tank. I resent something expensive not being fully serviceable, goes against the grain lol

Post# 604901 , Reply# 51   6/20/2012 at 01:00 (4,321 days old) by jetsystem1200 ()        

I had a Jetsystem XC6 , the FJD1266W, until last year. It was the best machine I have ever used in terms of performance and reliability. It did not have a repair in the 9 years it was in use and it did 7-10 loads a week. I keep wondering where my current machine is made, as it does not say on the data plate. I have a ZWH7162J.

Post# 604929 , Reply# 52   6/20/2012 at 03:13 (4,321 days old) by andyvivo (Essex)        
Finn

 Your ZWH7162J is from Poland, how old is it? These have drums that can be repaired! =D

Post# 604951 , Reply# 53   6/20/2012 at 06:53 (4,321 days old) by FL1012 ()        
Repairable Drums......

 Hi Andy

I was led to believe that Wuxi Little Swan (stupid name) had a link to Bosch, so it suprises me abit that Electrolux Group chose to use them for manufacturing one of its machines. The info i read could be incorrect ofcourse! I could never work out why the ZWG1140M even exists since Zanussi's range already includes models that meet the same specification. Strange!

Are the Welling motors the grumbly sounding ones fitted to the new Flexi-Dose & lower spec Jetsystem machines of the current range? They certainly sound different to the brush motor in my Parents Essential machine.

Thanks for confirming where my Parents machine is made. I guess that's the old Tricity Bendix factory. Will this have the split-tub? The cabinet doesn't have a split down the sides but i didn't know if this means the tub itself is also in one piece? We have the standard Zanussi drum with small grey paddles. Are all the new Jetsystem 7kg & 8kg machines fitted with serviceable tubs, or just the ZWH7162J? I noticed this machine has an Inverter Motor like the 8kg models, but according to Zanussi's website the 7142J & 7122J don't.

Liam

Post# 604979 , Reply# 54   6/20/2012 at 08:03 (4,320 days old) by ANDYVIVO (Essex)        

Hi Liam

From the BSH website
The BSW Household Appliances Co., Ltd.. was in Wuxi in Jiangsu Province in 1994 jointly by the BSH Bosch and Siemens Home Appliances Group and Wuxi Little Swan Corp.. founded. At the production site front-loading washing machines, washer-dryer for the local market to the highest international quality standards are produced.
The company is in the development and manufacturing network of the product area laundry integrated that all technological input into the joint venture (BSH 60% share) yields . The parts are mostly based on the local supply market. Since 2001, BSW increasingly exported to Europe.

From the little swan website

Wuxi Little Swan Company Limited:

Holding company: Shares proportion
Jiangsu Little Swan Marketing and Sales Co., Ltd. 98%
Wuxi Little Swan Import and Export Co., Ltd. 88%
Jiangsu Little Swan Sanjiang Appliance Manufacture Co., Ltd. 51%
Wuxi Little Swan Ceramics Co., Ltd. 90%
Ningbo Xinle Appliance Co., Ltd. 32%
Little Swan (Jingzhou) Appliance Co.,Ltd. 51%
Little Swan (Jingzhou) Sanjin Appliance Co.,Ltd. 35%
China and foreign countries company:

Wuxi Little Swan General Appliance Co., Ltd. 70%
Wuxi Little Swan Huayin Electric Appliance Co.,Ltd. 75%
Wuxi Filin Electronics Co.,Ltd. 51%
Wuxi Little Swan Enami Tooling Manufacture Co.,Ltd. 70%
Wuxi Little Swan Presion Casting Co.,Ltd. 75%
Wuxi Lifanda Electric Appliance Co.,Ltd. 42%
Wuxi Little Swan Schulthess Washing Machinery Co.,Ltd. 75%
Wuxi Little Swan Cleaning Equipment Co.,Ltd. 75%
Wuxi BSW Household Appliance Co.,Ltd. 40%
Wuxi Indesit Home Appliance Co.,Ltd. 30%

I have not investigated as too which models these Welling motors have been fitted to yet, not sure why they would sound more grumbly either. There seems to be no rhyme or reason what products Electrolux choose on serviceable and non serviceable drum units. It seems odd to put a sealed drum in the most expensive machine and a normal drum in the mid range?

The ZWF14170 does not have a serviceable drum, Electrolux are showing that they should be contacted for this part, I guess that can mean that parts may be able to be purchased to make a complete drum.

Post# 604991 , Reply# 55   6/20/2012 at 09:46 (4,320 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

i exchanged the zanussi washer fora TOL beko WME7247 washer, it was £199 from £350!! bargain! its now in storage as a back up machine (ugh!) by the way that the aqualtis is acting it will need to be pulled out soon lol
Tom :)

Post# 604995 , Reply# 56   6/20/2012 at 10:13 (4,320 days old) by andyvivo (Essex)        

Oh dear, always handy to have a back up lol. Just take your pick =)
How is the Aqulatis playing up?

Post# 604997 , Reply# 57   6/20/2012 at 10:28 (4,320 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

the 3 LED displays dont work properly anymore, every 2 in 5 washes. you turn it on as normal and the controls light up as normal, then when the displays go into work mode, only half of them display anything, when i used it myself i closed the door and started it, it the flashed up "DoOr" on the temperature display.
6 years mind, its been the longest lasting washer we've had :)
will be saving for a miele next year anyway lol
Tom :)

Post# 604999 , Reply# 58   6/20/2012 at 10:43 (4,320 days old) by jetsystem1200 ()        

My ZWH716J is from December. Just a little bit worried, as UKW said that all Electrolux products have non-serviceable drums.

Post# 605002 , Reply# 59   6/20/2012 at 10:49 (4,320 days old) by andyvivo (Essex)        

You have no worries on this one! =D

Post# 605020 , Reply# 60   6/20/2012 at 12:19 (4,320 days old) by jetsystem1200 ()        

Would my Zanussi dryer also be made in Poland? This is because it also does not mention where it was made, but it came with a care and use sticker with "Zoppas Electrolux SpA" on it. I know that Zoppas is a marque of Zanussi. It is a ZDC47200W.

Post# 605025 , Reply# 61   6/20/2012 at 12:48 (4,320 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

i thought the same for my zanussi dryer, or it could be French or Belgian made as i saw factories for them in those two countries or even Sewwden?
Tom :)

Post# 605030 , Reply# 62   6/20/2012 at 13:32 (4,320 days old) by ANDYVIVO (Essex)        
ZDC47200W

 All variants of this model are from Poland.

There is no factory nowadays that is dedicated to just one brand, and I think it is safe to say it has been that way for many years.

The Alcala factory was bought by zanussi, before it become part of Electrolux.

Tom, it could be the communication wire to the board is failing, these are routed through the hinge so it is in an area where it could fail.


Post# 605032 , Reply# 63   6/20/2012 at 13:36 (4,320 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

i had suspected that they were from poland :)
the vid in the link is a tour of elux's factories in poland :)
Tom :)


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Post# 605038 , Reply# 64   6/20/2012 at 13:59 (4,320 days old) by ANDYVIVO (Essex)        
cool link!

 not seen this one before

Post# 605043 , Reply# 65   6/20/2012 at 14:12 (4,320 days old) by jetsystem1200 ()        

Just on a side note, it seems that my Zanussi washer has been discontinued. No mention of it on Zanussi's website or on some online stores. Zanussi machines now have a max spin of 1400 rpm. I wonder if a new range is coming soon...

Post# 605044 , Reply# 66   6/20/2012 at 14:22 (4,320 days old) by ANDYVIVO (Essex)        

August / September is here soon, so yep there will be =)

Post# 605274 , Reply# 67   6/21/2012 at 10:55 (4,319 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        
Zanussi is not the best

 Can I just say in reply to posts (#65,#66) that Zanussi washers are certainlky not the best, there was a lot of slagging of over Bosch on this forum but tbh, atleast a Bosch can still be repaired, unlike Zanussi, bearings go, they will right the machine off, as they break just outside guarantee, and too expensive to fix. Recently AEG's have been failing just over 5 years, which is not acceptable for the Electroluxes. At least with Bosch (Similar, if not cheaper than Zanussi) use good parts, tested in Germany to ensure it is built to the high exacting standards (Logixx machines made in Germany) and more importantly bearings are accessible (Exception Clasixx5/Maxx5 which seem to have been discontinued now).

I also wouldn't go buy an LG over a Bosch either, or Go for Siemens, as they all made in Germany and have atleast 5 years parts & Labour, and unlike AEG, Zanussi don't fail immediately after this is up. LG are expensive, and as seen in USA Explode, OK only top loaders have done this, but LG make out it is the customers fault, when actually this should not happen anyway. Another problem with LG is inside the 12KG, and 11KG models the tub is positioned next to the outside walls, and plastic is thinner than the one Indesit use on Hotpoints. This tub gets out of balance it is going to crush, and add extra vibrations as it is in direct contact with the walls of the machine, or it will mean extra long cycle durations balancing the load.

I also would never switch from a Vented to a condenser model - reason:
1. Condensers take much longer to dry clothes than Vented, as in a vented you have more air going through
2. You don't have to spend ages cleaning a vented dryer, whereas a condenser you need to clean it all over.
3. A Condenser may start as B rated, but over time it decreases to D, e and even F energy rating, because too many people fail to clean it properly, and parts cannot be cleaned.
4. Vented C dryers, are actually more efficient than B rated Condensers, because of the Energy rating scale for dryers.

These are just my opinions, but kind of think your crazy changing from a vented to condenser.

Can I also mention my Uncle has a vented dryer in cupboard, there's no outside wall so he uses a condenser box and has had no problems with it for the 5 years he has been using it.
All you need to do is add ICE or a cold element, and the device collects the water. The whole point of the device is that it will blow dry air out, as it is a vented dryer, and there is more air flow.

All of these are my own opinions and views.

Post# 605281 , Reply# 68   6/21/2012 at 11:38 (4,319 days old) by andyvivo (Essex)        

I think the change is solely based upon practicalities re the condenser dryer, and yes you are right the better maintained the dryer is, the more efficient it is. The amount of times I have seen user error due to filters not being cleaned, with the common answers “I thought it was meant to be like that” or “I didn’t know it had one” I’ve lost count on! (I’m not saying this applies to anyone on here)
Condenser dryers do take longer, and that is one of the downsides + the extra cleaning of the condenser. But in the case of Tom’s dryer it flushes itself clean. That has to be an improvement!

As it goes the Zanussi is not the worst bit of kit in the dryer world at a reasonable price. As far as washing machines from the Electrolux group, they used to be very good, and sadly with the way of this market they have to find ways of remaining competitive. Whether that would be closing factories to where the workers are cheaper, or to reduce the amount of cost in production by sealing drums. Electrolux are not the only corporation who have restructured through acquisitions, harmonising etc. Bosch have quite a few factories in Poland, as have Indesit, and Whirlpool.
As you say it's all about personal opinion.

The LG is new technology, and is at best a top loader turned into a front loader. I would think this design will heavily rely on the electronics for balancing, and heaven help if they should fail as I bet that will go with a nice bang!
PS a nice bit of footage of the LG design.

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Post# 605387 , Reply# 69   6/21/2012 at 18:26 (4,319 days old) by FL1012 ()        

I'm getting a condensor, as Andy correctly said, because of the practicalities of it - i won't be able to externally vent a vented dryer where i'm moving to and i don't want to have to keep a steady flow of ice in the freezer for a condensor box. If i had a choice i'd be saving my money & making do with the quicker, quieter vented dryer i already own, which i won't be getting rid of anyway. There is certainly no snobbery towards condensors where i'm concerned, it's purely more practical to have one for the time being!

I agree that the sealed tubs being used on many Electrolux washers is a great shame & i believe it will cost them customers as it's not the sort of corner-cutting people would associate with Zanussi or AEG. However, if Bosch's lower models (ie Clasixx models) also have sealed tubs then BSH are little better, since you'd struggle to get a BSH machine with accesible bearings for Zanussi money. You'd have to spend AEG money to get a BSH machine with accesible bearings & then unless you buy a Siemens machine (5yr warranty) you get a 2 year warranty compared to AEGs 5 years on similar priced machines. I do think AEG should fit split tubs but if they're gonna pick up the tab if the bearings go before the machines 5th Birthday then that lessens my anxiety somewhat.

To be honest it's about only spending upto a set amount on a particular make of machine. If you want a Zanussi, it's not worth spending more than £300 since you're living on borrowed time after the 3rd year & will have no backup should things fail beyond year 1. AEG still has a place in the market but i wouldn't spend more than £500 on one unless a 5yr warranty was included, particularly now they've started using welded tubs. A £500+ machine with a 2 year warranty (such as a high spec Bosch or entry Miele) is a poor deal in my opinion since if they fail at 4-5 years the customer is on their own & faces scrapping a machine that cost significantly more than a Zanussi within a similar timeframe to a Zanussi.

It's also arguable that unless you're a particular fan of Miele, Siemens makes more sence until you reach £900+ as they have a 5yr warranty on products of around £600 compared to the stingy 2 year on many Miele products costing even more. Yes a Siemens might be getting tired earlier than a Miele but if a £600 Siemens fails in year 6 or 7 you've had your moneys worth. If a Miele costing £700-£900 fails in year 6 or 7 you could feel abit short-changed with no warranty back-up, but it can happen. Ofcourse the Miele machines with 5 or 10 year warranty would be preferable to an AEG or Siemens but this more generous warranty seems to be increasingly rare on Miele's that i've seen and spending upwards of £500 on anything with only 2-years backing would be a struggle for me, regardless of badge reputation - it's too much to potentially lose if things fail prematurely.

Liam

Post# 605465 , Reply# 70   6/22/2012 at 05:03 (4,319 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        
Don't get me wrong...

 ..I would still be happy to buy a AEG, as it does feature a 5 year guarantee, but personally I would buy a Bosch over Zanussi.

Also Bosch Clasixx 7 (Replacement for Bosch Avantixx7) launched May 2012 has an accessible tub, the clasixx/maxx I were on about were the Chinese spec, different design, 3 buttons, different door, occasionally a different drum slipped through too, most recent ones did feature a 6KG load, and the Bosch Clasixx door, however they lacked Pre-Wash option, and were exclusive to John Lewis for some time.
All other Bosch machines, as far as I was aware, have an accessible tub. Zanussi, similar price, if not more expensive, only feature 1 year guarantee as opposed to 2, but also have the sealed units.

In Dryers, I would buy a Zanussi over a Bosch, simply because Zanussi reverse! But for the same price I would buy Hotpoint which feature glass door, and made in UK.

Post# 605570 , Reply# 71   6/22/2012 at 11:25 (4,318 days old) by jetsystem1200 ()        

My Zanussi came with a 2 year guarantee as I purchased a Jetsystem model before Christmas. Also, I bought it because I am loyal to the Electrolux group and I read somewhere that Jetsystem models have split tubs. I also wanted an inverter motor, and the Zanussi model provided me with that. Don't get me wrong, I love Bosch and Hotpoint, but the Bosch did not have the same quality feel as the Zanussi did and the Bosch was £100 more expensive.
Finn

Post# 605590 , Reply# 72   6/22/2012 at 11:55 (4,318 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

my zanussi taxed me when i bought it (it cost £440) and i had terrible trouble with it. i would gladly buy any other brand for washers bar zanussi
dryers on the other hand i recomend zanussi,BSH group, indesit company and whirlpool.
zanussi's service center were of absoloutley no help, after moaning to them they caved and sent out an engener, her told me that the washer should never have left the premises and the problem should have been detected when testing.
Tom :)

Post# 606914 , Reply# 73   6/28/2012 at 17:01 (4,312 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

the plot thickens!!
i was on google and found its German cousin, it has a whirlpool drum and a miele door opening!
Optima,Andy, i think we need your expert help again lol
Tom :)

Post# 607059 , Reply# 74   6/29/2012 at 11:36 (4,311 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Montpellier

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I have just ordered the vented one, so i will take some pictures of it when it comes in on Tuesday.

Post# 607060 , Reply# 75   6/29/2012 at 11:38 (4,311 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

cheers Optima :)
im curious about the origin of the condenser model, it looks like it has somthing to do with whirlpool...hmmm
Tom :)

Post# 607172 , Reply# 76   6/29/2012 at 18:07 (4,311 days old) by andyvivo (Essex)        

Hi Tom,
The Bommann is exactly the same as the Montpellier, identical detailing to the lower kick plate (in term of screw locations) Where the exact donor of tooling, or ideas remains undecided.


Post# 607173 , Reply# 77   6/29/2012 at 18:22 (4,311 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

these dryers are very much so a mystery lol
Tom :)

Post# 607175 , Reply# 78   6/29/2012 at 18:27 (4,311 days old) by andyvivo (Essex)        

I don't think with the costs involved that he initial tooling for this product is going to be too expensive given the prices in China etc.
Crosslee will feel the squeeze soon from this source =/


Post# 607176 , Reply# 79   6/29/2012 at 18:29 (4,311 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

this dryer looks to have some sort of EU origin by looking at the drum

Post# 607179 , Reply# 80   6/29/2012 at 18:43 (4,311 days old) by andyvivo (Essex)        

Thing is though, the Chinese will copy anything, no questions asked. I could give them my ex and I would get a carbon copy lol Not that I would want two of them, one was bad enough! =D

Post# 607182 , Reply# 81   6/29/2012 at 19:06 (4,311 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

Lol
True Andy, my cousin is giving me a beko vented dryer, she hates it (or her husband was moaning about the energy consumption lol) its weeks old too!
Tom :-)

Post# 607963 , Reply# 82   7/3/2012 at 15:02 (4,307 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Montpellier TVS6 Vented Dryer

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So tempted to buy one of these for myself. The build quality is the best i've seen in a long time. Just a shame it hasn't got a glass door.

Post# 607964 , Reply# 83   7/3/2012 at 15:04 (4,307 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Montpellier TVS6 Vented Dryer

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Sensor & Timed Programmes

Post# 607965 , Reply# 84   7/3/2012 at 15:06 (4,307 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Montpellier TVS6 Vented Dryer

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Heating element & stats

Post# 607966 , Reply# 85   7/3/2012 at 15:08 (4,307 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Montpellier TVS6 Vented Dryer

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Control Board

Post# 607967 , Reply# 86   7/3/2012 at 15:11 (4,307 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Montpellier TVS6 Vented Dryer

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Drum

Post# 607969 , Reply# 87   7/3/2012 at 15:16 (4,307 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Montpellier TVS6 Vented Dryer

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Rating plate, no indication of where it is manufactured.

Post# 607970 , Reply# 88   7/3/2012 at 15:18 (4,307 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Montpellier TVS6 Vented Dryer

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A choice of rear or side venting

Post# 607977 , Reply# 89   7/3/2012 at 15:22 (4,307 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Montpellier TVS6 Vented Dryer

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Drum & plastic venting hose

Post# 607999 , Reply# 90   7/3/2012 at 16:00 (4,307 days old) by andyvivo (Essex)        

I think the drum is a good give away

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Post# 608011 , Reply# 91   7/3/2012 at 16:19 (4,307 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        
Siemens Vented Multipellier dryer

 I was just thinking, I have seen a Multipellier design Siemens Vented dryer here several years ago, think I saw it on Ebay.
It had the same design, juts a different drum, same door, same control panel layout, just more sensor options, and a small display.
This could explain the build quality, if they have manufactured a Siemens dryer before, then it will be very good.
It could be that it is made in Germany, or looks like Whirlpool made it, I can't see it being Hoover.

Post# 608043 , Reply# 92   7/3/2012 at 17:43 (4,307 days old) by andyvivo (Essex)        

Certainly no Whirlpool or Candy accosiation, I remember this drum well from a trade fair in Germany in 2008. The front was totally different, it had a much larger solid door that covered the majority of the front (can't find a pic) and then there was another model more like this pic, but kind of looked like it was using AM components. I think maybe the design / tooling is from the dryers down under.

Post# 608268 , Reply# 93   7/4/2012 at 15:58 (4,306 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

Hi Optima and Andy :-) the montpellier drum looks like an austrailian fisher and paykel drum. What is the performence of it like?

Post# 608271 , Reply# 94   7/4/2012 at 16:06 (4,306 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Montpellier

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I can't really say much about it's drying performance but i did plug it in & it's very quiet.

Post# 608272 , Reply# 95   7/4/2012 at 16:22 (4,306 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
I Thought...

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We had seen it before....its on Maturasigmas thread few months ago!!!


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Post# 608275 , Reply# 96   7/4/2012 at 16:52 (4,306 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        

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Well esquisitely spotted Mike, much prefer the clear door.

Post# 608281 , Reply# 97   7/4/2012 at 17:17 (4,306 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        

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Re phase the spelling Exquisitely. Back to school for me.

Post# 608304 , Reply# 98   7/4/2012 at 18:40 (4,306 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
S`okay

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Thought you`d had one to many Boddies!!

Post# 610500 , Reply# 99   7/16/2012 at 07:32 (4,294 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

Optima, why dont you buy one to go with your newly rejigged electrapoint? lol
Tom :)

Post# 610529 , Reply# 100   7/16/2012 at 10:07 (4,294 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        

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No thanks Tom

I think i will stick with my super quick Creda Compact Dryer.

Post# 610531 , Reply# 101   7/16/2012 at 10:25 (4,294 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

my cousin is giving me the run around with the candy dryer (as stated in my previous post on my candy dryer thread) if she continuse to do so i will save up for the same candy dryer or the vented montpellier dryer :)
Tom :)

Post# 613428 , Reply# 102   7/30/2012 at 09:39 (4,280 days old) by HotpointFan (United Kingdom)        
On this Aussie dryer

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The same drum too!

The make is Homemaker. Looks like haier!

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Post# 617172 , Reply# 103   8/15/2012 at 04:16 (4,265 days old) by HotpointFan (United Kingdom)        
Tom

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Is the Candy a good dryer?


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