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Post# 603932   6/15/2012 at 18:38 (2,806 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        

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Thanks to Travis. He bought this Roper Town & Country range last January then contacted me and said that he decided to resell it. I bought it and had it shipped. This was originally posted by Oldskool on this forum in this thread:



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Post# 603934 , Reply# 1   6/15/2012 at 18:56 (2,806 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        

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The only chips I have found are on the side panels. I'm hoping that i can have them redone and the new white will be close enough to match the rest of the stove, but very little of the sides show so it doesn't have to be an exact match. The burner grates will need to be reporcelained, the burners themselves look great. The stove is clean under the burners, surprising since all of the other stoves I've worked on are greasy and filthy under the burners. Each set of four burners has a removable "tray" or large square drip pan. One of these has several chips too so I will reporcelain both along with the side panels.

 

The timer seems to work, the clock is missing two small adjustment knobs. I'll rewire the stove before plugging it in and testing the clock, which is made by Techron. All burner, broiler, and oven valves turn freely but I will clean and regrease them all. Howver, I might go ahead and hook the stove up this weekend, test for leaks, and fire it up to see if there are any problems; especially with the oven thermostats. The weather will dictate how much I do.

 

It is missing one oven door handle plastic insert - I have the chrome part. I have to double check the literature and pics from restoration sites to see if I have all of the broiler pan components.


Post# 603936 , Reply# 2   6/15/2012 at 19:20 (2,806 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor)        
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That stove looks GREAT. It doesnt look like it even needs alot of cleaning. Enjoy your new find. Wished I had the room for one. Antique Gas Stoves sold one recently for BIG bucks.












Post# 603940 , Reply# 3   6/15/2012 at 19:38 (2,806 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        

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Basically, rechrome the chrome and polish the aluminum, plus redo the parts I already mentioned, and it is ready to go. This stove is in better shape than most of the others I've messed with. It is a fairly desirable model so I can resell it for a lot if I choose to.


Post# 603941 , Reply# 4   6/15/2012 at 19:53 (2,806 days old) by Travis ()        

David,

 

I am glad you got it.  I am told by friends that I can only have one stove and one refrigerator in the kitchen, sad really.  Be nice to the Roper.  I wiped it down so the shippers might respect it more.

 

Travis


Post# 603942 , Reply# 5   6/15/2012 at 19:57 (2,806 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        
Glad You Got It!

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That man-sized stove is all business. 

 

The clock should be a fairly simple fix if you have any Telechron clocks or rotor assemblies lying around.  If you have another rotor, change that out first.  It's almost always the culprit with a stopped Telechron. 

 

 


Post# 603944 , Reply# 6   6/15/2012 at 20:20 (2,806 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        

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Thanks for the advice, rp2813. Typo, I meant Telechron dang it. Tired, long day at work, and hot outside, and had a beer or two.


Post# 603952 , Reply# 7   6/15/2012 at 21:17 (2,806 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Could you please show us the burner configuration under the griddle? Thanks

Post# 603968 , Reply# 8   6/15/2012 at 23:00 (2,806 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        

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OMG!!!! Do I love it, of course it's bigger than my kitchen.

Post# 603969 , Reply# 9   6/15/2012 at 23:06 (2,806 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        
Sure, Tom

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The stove is shoehorned into the garage right now, but here is a pic of the burner under the griddle. The burner is football-shaped, the flame holes are mainly along the outer edge but there is a small area on the inside edge with flame holes, the side closest to the camera, that is about 3 inches long. The rectangular black "box" under the burner provides the mounting  for the burner and the drip pan slides into it - note the 1" round hole to the right on the black box. There is a tube attached to the griddle that funnels the drippings down into the pan. This is kinda awkward, the griddle doesn't sit flat on the counter when removed from the stove.


Post# 603975 , Reply# 10   6/15/2012 at 23:48 (2,806 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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That is a PATRIOT'S stove! Estate model. Awesome.

Post# 604012 , Reply# 11   6/16/2012 at 04:11 (2,805 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Now that's a RANGE! Great piece.


Post# 604013 , Reply# 12   6/16/2012 at 04:24 (2,805 days old) by Maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)        
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churches and community centers around here have or had this range. I am glad that it is in basically good condition, and that it's in good hands.


If I liked vintage gas ranges, which I do not, I would really like this one.



Lawrence/Maytagbear




Post# 604026 , Reply# 13   6/16/2012 at 07:00 (2,805 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
Thank you for the picture

Holy S**t, David, that is like an oven burner, and with a flash tube, too. Wow, that would have been a fairly even-heating griddle. Amazing how they could build them decades ago. You would definitely want a powerful exhaust hood over this fire breathing dragon.

Post# 604027 , Reply# 14   6/16/2012 at 07:18 (2,805 days old) by westie2 ()        

David what a fantastic stove.  Are you going to put it in yur kitchen?  Looks like it will where you have your O&M and refrigerator but where would you put you fridge. 


Post# 604029 , Reply# 15   6/16/2012 at 08:20 (2,805 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        
Westie2

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You nailed the problem. I also have a Chambers Imperial that is the same size, but twice as heavy, and I have thought about how to arrange everything if I use one of these big stoves. Not a simple ergonomic answer yet. I have another fridge across the room in the breakfast area, but that is really inconvenient to be used as an only fridge.

 

Tom,

 

The stove is supposed to be functional, if I can tap into the gas line to install a fitting in the garage I'll try it this weekend. I bet the griddle is awesome.


Post# 604035 , Reply# 16   6/16/2012 at 09:31 (2,805 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Wow - what a cool burner, you can crank out the pancakes on that baby!

Is the center (oven) space under the griddle a warming oven or storage?

Congratulations on a great appliance, that wide lady will certainly make her presence known in any kitchen!


Post# 604058 , Reply# 17   6/16/2012 at 11:19 (2,805 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        
Ok, here are more pictures

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Gansky1, The center is a big broiler. Under the big broiler is a small storage drawer. There is an oven on the right and left sides with a small drawer broiler under each. The big broiler has two pans, but both are missing the top part with the drain holes. These missing tops are the same as the ones found in the drawers and I can use those in the big broiler, but I'm going to try and find two more.

 

The writing above the big broiler says "Roper 'Glo' Broiler"


Post# 604059 , Reply# 18   6/16/2012 at 11:20 (2,805 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        
Here are the bottom drawers

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Broilers to right and left, storage in the middle.


Post# 604060 , Reply# 19   6/16/2012 at 11:21 (2,805 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        

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This emblem is in the right side next to the burner drip tray.


Post# 604061 , Reply# 20   6/16/2012 at 11:22 (2,805 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        
Right side burners

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The four burners on the right side. The upper right one has a different grate and seems to be a high BTU burner.


Post# 604062 , Reply# 21   6/16/2012 at 11:24 (2,805 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        
Left side burners

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These are all identical and are the same as the other three regular burners on the right side.

 

 


Post# 604063 , Reply# 22   6/16/2012 at 11:24 (2,805 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        
Griddle Burner

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Another view.


Post# 604064 , Reply# 23   6/16/2012 at 11:28 (2,805 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        
Griddle

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Note the drain tube coming out of the bottom.


Post# 604065 , Reply# 24   6/16/2012 at 11:29 (2,805 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        
Griddle in place

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Post# 604066 , Reply# 25   6/16/2012 at 11:30 (2,805 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        
Backsplash

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Post# 604087 , Reply# 26   6/16/2012 at 13:20 (2,805 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

WOW! again. That right rear burner & the grate look almost like they could handle a wok. You could probably get enough fire out of that one to make cooking look like a rocket launch.

Didn't "CP" stand for Certified Performance?


Post# 604093 , Reply# 27   6/16/2012 at 13:33 (2,805 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        

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Yes it did. I think it was the "UL listed" or possibly "Energy Star" of its day. Appliances rated CP had to meet 20 or 21 requirements. Apparently Chambers stoves, possibly the best built residential gas ranges ever, didn't qualify on two parameters but the company was not willing to sacrifice their quality to meet all the requirements.


Post# 604127 , Reply# 28   6/16/2012 at 16:58 (2,805 days old) by oldskool (Kansas City, MO)        
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David - I'm so glad Mother came your way. That enormous stove exemplifies craftsmanship of a day when quality and durability were goals that manufacturers strived for. So glad that it is staying in the AW family. Congratulations.

If my memory is correct, after first seeing it on CL and speaking with the former owner, it came from a church in Oklahoma. Most likely, it did not get used frequently and was well taken care of. I'm sure many great years of use remain in Mother's future. So glad her fate was not a crusher.

John


Post# 606242 , Reply# 29   6/25/2012 at 17:17 (2,796 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        

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Here is a 1948 model for sale in Dallas, just a tad bit pricier than mine :)



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Post# 606472 , Reply# 30   6/26/2012 at 15:44 (2,795 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        

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That stove could straddle two time zones, allowing you to cook breakfast at one end and lunch at the other.


Post# 606553 , Reply# 31   6/26/2012 at 22:28 (2,795 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        

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Thanks to 54monroe for sending me these literature scans:


Post# 606557 , Reply# 32   6/26/2012 at 22:32 (2,795 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        

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This says that the one different burner is a coffee burner, that implies to me that it is lower BTU but the burner looks bigger than the others. The burner valve, however, has one orifice cap, the others have two each.


Post# 606594 , Reply# 33   6/27/2012 at 03:39 (2,794 days old) by washer111 ()        

What a lovely stove that is! One thing though, you'd probably need an extra 3-ton of cooling when that thing is running at full tilt, that's for sure!

That must be an awfully nice thing to use though, imagine being able to cook all your vegetables separately if someone doesn't like it all being done together, while you do Eggs, Bacon, Steak, Chops and EVERYTHING on the griddle!

It'd be the perfect range for use when catering for larger numbers of people - or big families, :D


Post# 606712 , Reply# 34   6/27/2012 at 15:41 (2,794 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        
Seriously???

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Just found this old ebay auction. The stove sold for $999.00 and has some rust through on the top, which makes me wonder about the rest of the stove - is it all corroded underneath and is the metal paper thin? Look at the aution link. I've attached the last picture which is an appraisal by Antique Gas Stoves in Alta Loma, CA.

 

Seriously??? This unrestored Roper T&C with rust through is worth $5900-$6100???? I should see if they want to buy mine for that price!!!

 



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Post# 606770 , Reply# 35   6/27/2012 at 20:13 (2,794 days old) by AutoWasherFreak ()        

That's one hell of stove, perfect for a large gathering or a cookaholic.


Post# 606773 , Reply# 36   6/27/2012 at 20:52 (2,794 days old) by in2itdood ()        
Wow!

I'm not a stove guy ...but damn!

Post# 606789 , Reply# 37   6/27/2012 at 23:41 (2,794 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        
Coffee Burner

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Now that's what I call decadence.  So many burners that one of them is singled out for brewing stove-top coffee.  I'm guessing it's lower BTUs than the rest since it has only a single sunken flame source.  Perfect for Pyrex, and likely provides just the right level of heat to set and forget until coffee has been brewed to your liking.


Post# 609397 , Reply# 38   7/10/2012 at 13:10 (2,781 days old) by revvinkevin (So. Cal.)        
I'm "just a little" late to the party..........

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CONGRATS David!  

 

I have to say that if I were to have an old stove in my kitchen, THAT is the one I would want it to be!

 

Very, very cool!

 

Kevin


Post# 707593 , Reply# 39   10/6/2013 at 16:00 (2,328 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        

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Well, I started to pull this stove apart today. It is in much better shape than my Chambers Imperial therefore I can get it going soon. Plus, one of my college buds might want it - his wife is remodeling and I sent a pic of it, they went gaga over it. I have sent an inquiry for the chrome (10 burner knob trim rings, two oven knob rings, two oven knob trim pieces, six oven door handles, upper vent trim, three upper vent grates, backsplash trim for timer/clock, and the light reflector). There is not as much chrome on this as you would think - my 35 1/2" O'Keefe & Merritt has more.

The eight burner grates will be re-enameled. Only one burner has noticable chipped enamel - not worth redoing. All burner valves will be cleaned and regreased. I'll clean the oven and griddle burners and paint them with high temp automotive exhaust paint - they will look like new cast iron and the stove won't get hot enough to burn the paint off. I'll send the aluminum parts (griddle, broiler pans) off for professional polishing. I decided to have the oven T-stats rebuilt, even though I have not tested them. As old as they are, I think I should start from ground zero with them. Part of the reason is I fixed a Chambers B for a friend. It worked fine about 9 months and then the T-stat quit. Might as well rebuild them while the stove is apart and they can be accessed easily.

The side panels are bent and damaged pretty badly, but I have a donor 40" Roper with good side panels. I swapped them today and they fit perfectly - then I took them back off as I disassembled the stove. I probably would not be tearing into the stove this far if it weren't for the fact that the rear legs - stamped steel - are bent and I have to tip the stove on it's back to repair them - this is why the side panels were damaged. I have to remove the top, sides, and backsplash to do this to prevent damage. Since I'm doing that, I'll just clean everything and check door insulation, etc. All of the porcelain is in great shape - no panels need to be redone. There is a 1/8" chip on the left edge of the top and a 1/2" chip at the back center of the left side panel which can be fixed with a touch up kit - that is all.


Post# 707616 , Reply# 40   10/6/2013 at 18:52 (2,328 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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words cannot describe.....that is one killer stove....definitely a one do-it-all stove.....WHY don't they build stuff like this anymore.....this makes my $4500.00 Dacor look like a hibachi....would have rather invested the money in something like this....

imagining the cooking one could do with something like that....Congrats!


Post# 707624 , Reply# 41   10/6/2013 at 19:20 (2,328 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
The Cooking One Did....

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....With a range like this was the kind needed for a wealthy household with servants, still reasonably feasible in the early '50s, if not as commonplace as it had been before the war.

In the morning, bacon, eggs, hotcakes and hot cereal might well have been prepared on the stovetop; but other meals would already have been in progress. The lady of the house might well be hosting a bridge luncheon for which she needed a chicken fricassee or something similar, and that night's dinner might have necessitated starting a soup for the soup course in the morning.

In a well-off family with an experienced cook, meal preparation was not something just done starting in the afternoon; it went on all day, because the dishes being prepared were more ambitious than the tract-house housewife usually attempted. It took more cooking space than the usual tract-house range.


Post# 707653 , Reply# 42   10/6/2013 at 20:49 (2,328 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

I wonder if that "coffee burner" was made to keep the flame from spreading out under a large percolater, but instead, keep it concentrated under the base of the pump to avoid boiling the coffee, but start the perking earlier. I can see where the flame pattern would have been advantageous under a glass vacuum pot also.

Post# 710210 , Reply# 43   10/19/2013 at 12:59 (2,315 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        

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I have gotten several quotes for the chrome, the best quote is $650.00 from Performance Plating in Olathe, KS: www.performanceplating.com/...

The chrome includes 6 oven door handles, ten burner knob trim rings, two oven knob rings and trim pieces, the backsplash, the top vent trim and the light bulb reflector.

Several of the plastic oven handle inserts are broken and I'm having a hard time finding replacements, so I looked into having them reproduced - there is a small market for them, I'm not the only one looking. Injection molding is out of the question - a mold costs $30,000.00 or more! RTV molding is doable: the mold costs $400.00 and each handle will cost $24.00 to cast. The mold is good for 50 castings so more can be ordered, or I can have the mold made and buy all 50 for $1600.00 (I'll order a few as needed if I decide to do this, $1600 is a lot to front). Most stove restoration shops sell handle reproductions for over $70.00 so there is room for profit if I go this route and sell some since this particular insert is not being reproduced.

The 8 burner grates will cost $24.00 each to re-enamel. Other than cleaning, regreasing the valves, rebuilding the t-stats, and repairing the rear legs, that is really all that this stove needs.

One question: I was mistaken in my post above about the broiler pans - two are not missing the top piece. Roper used three piece broiler pans: aluminum top, aluminum drip pan, and an enameled drip pan. Does anyone know how they were used? Were all three parts used in the broiler together, or was the food broiled using one of the drip pans and then transferred to the other drip pan to be set on the table? This would avoid burning the table or having to put up with the hot smoking drippings in the bottom of the hot drip pan while eating.



Post# 710223 , Reply# 44   10/19/2013 at 13:57 (2,315 days old) by Travis ()        

David,

I can't answer your question on how the broiler pans were used. It seems you have two of everything. The stove likely had three of everything when it was sold. I can't imagine bending down and using all three broilers at once.

About the plastic inserts, I would bet you could sell the extra inserts that you don't use on this.


Post# 738678 , Reply# 45   3/2/2014 at 08:06 (2,181 days old) by snoggle ()        

I know this thread is a few months old, but I'd like to know if the OP (or anyone else for that matter) has any updates about the Town and Country Range.

My husband and I found one on our local Craigslist that looks to be in amazing shape. Yep, it was in a convent! We're going to look at it today with a trailer to haul it home on. 99% sure we'll be bringing it home for our farmhouse kitchen!

Does anyone know what the BTU's of the different burners are? Especially that "coffee burner", is it higher?

Thanks for any help or info!


Post# 738786 , Reply# 46   3/2/2014 at 15:55 (2,181 days old) by snoggle ()        

Okay, so we picked it up today (actually 6 men struggled to "pick it up" and put it on our trailer!). It is in a little rougher shape than we expected - the picture they had posted on Craigslist was just a picture that they found online, not of the actual stove. We only paid $200, so that's fine. It was in a church building in Cleveland that used to be a convent. The church just wanted rid of it - "We have modern appliances, we don't need it."

Ours has the different back on it compared to yours, 58limited. The light sticks up above the rest of it. I'm thinking ours is a different year? Maybe a '48? It looks like all of the original parts are there, except for the salt and pepper shaker that came with it. There is a big chipped area on the right front corner which will be highly visible when it's in our kitchen - will have to get that fixed.

So, a friend of my sister's has redone vintage stoves in the past and is only 1/2 hour drive from us. I'm hoping to get in touch with her tomorrow and see if she is up to the task. If not, I might need ideas of where to get work done on it. We're in NE Ohio, spitting distance from western PA. I'm excited to get it cleaned up and usable since we actually have a big kitchen, with room for this thing!

And seriously, how did they moved these beasts back in the '40's and '50's???


Post# 738787 , Reply# 47   3/2/2014 at 16:25 (2,181 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
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At 58Limited's house next year! *LOL*

Since you've got all that fire power! *LOL*


Post# 738800 , Reply# 48   3/2/2014 at 17:46 (2,181 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        
Hi Snoggle

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I have my stove sitting on a couple of furniture dollies right now. Be careful, one common issue is the feet - they are stamped steel and bend easily so don't try to slide the stove. $200.00? That's a steal! Even in rough shape it is probably worth over $1000.00.

 

These old gas stoves are not hard to work on, just disassemble a little to clean. If the ovens and broilers have no corrosion there really is no need to do a complete disassembly unless you find a lot of mouse nests. Basically remove the two sides, the backsplash, and the top to get access to the valves and the area under the burners for cleaning - that is generally where the mess is from years of food and grease spilling down. Really, the hardest thing is rewiring the light and clock. The rest is elbow grease and maybe some high temp paint.

 

The valves are easy to rebuild, just do them one at a time so that you don't mix up the parts. The oven T-stats may need rebuilding, this will generally run $175-$300 each depending on the manufacturer.

 

You can send the top to Independence Porcelain Enamel (IPE) to redo the porcelain but it will probably not be an exact match for the rest of the stove. The original porcelain will be duller and maybe slightly discolored from the years of cleaning, wiping, grease residue, etc. So you might wish to redo the back splash and burner drip panels well so that at least the top area will match. IPE has reasonable prices, the hard part is shipping since the top is 5' long. Use a trusted shipper for this and mark everything fragile. You might want to build a wood crate to ship. One member of the Chambers stove forum had shipping damage that rendered the panel completely unusable.

 

Does the light and clock on your stove sit on top of the backsplash and have a big chrome housing like the one in this picture? If so it is a 1948. Mine is a 1949.



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Post# 738827 , Reply# 49   3/2/2014 at 18:33 (2,181 days old) by snoggle ()        

Yep, that's exactly what mine looks like! So I guess I was right on the year. Awesome!

I'm going to talk to my sister's friend about doing the work - we've got a lot of other projects right now (and we have a toddler to chase!), so I'd like to have someone else do it if it will be reasonable. But I'm glad to know we could do it if we can't get anyone else to. Though from a moving it point of view, it might be easier just to do it here, ourselves. I would just need to put it in place in the kitchen right away - I don't want to move it twice.

What are the chances that it isn't safe to use? I guess that's what really worries me and why I wanted someone more knowledgeable than me to go over it. Both hubby and I are really handy (hence the bazillion projects with the 110 year old farmhouse). If it would be safe to use, I would be more open to trying it ourselves. Especially if we could get one section of it cleaned up first and usable so we could put it in the kitchen and then work on the rest as time permits. I mean, I only need one oven and 4 burners working to use it, right? That's all I've got right now!

And insulation. Do most of them need to be reinsulated so they don't use a ton of gas and heat the house up too much? Is it hard to insulate them?

Actually, it isn't the top that needs the porcelain. It would be the side panel. The damage is around knee height. I think that piece would be pretty easy to ship.

If there are any resources to get me started on doing it myself, let me know. That way I won't have to ask you so many questions.

Thanks for your help!
Sarah


Post# 738828 , Reply# 50   3/2/2014 at 18:38 (2,181 days old) by snoggle ()        

One more thing, how would we go about getting the thermostats rebuilt? Is there a company we would ship them to?

Post# 738831 , Reply# 51   3/2/2014 at 18:57 (2,181 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        

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Unless mice have had a field day in the insulation, or spilt grease has saturated it over the years, there is no need to replace or add insulation.

 

These stoves are safe to use, but as with any type of plumbing, you need to check all of the connections for leaks. Soapy water and a brush is good for that, the soap will bubble if gas is leaking. Then check all burners with the valves turned off to see if a valve is leaking - usually smell will work but you can hire an appliance man or plumber to come and check with their natural gas sniffer machine. Oh, and don't let an appliance repairman tell you that old stoves are inherently unsafe. Many younger repairmen know nothing about the stoves and assume old = bad and dangerous. Some just don't want to bother with them and will tell you that old stoves are dangerous as well. A properly checked over and installed vintage stove is safe.

 

A safety system can be installed for the ovens if you wish - this would cut off the gas flow should the oven burner and pilot go out for some reason.

 

The burner valves are basically a tapered cone of metal in a matched housing with little holes for the gas to flow through. They come apart easily (unless stuck) and can be soaked in solvent to remove the old grease. You can buy the special stove valve grease online (a small can is $25 but will last your lifetime - a little goes a long way and I could rebuild 100 stoves and have plenty left). You might talk an appliance repairmen out of a little or find it locally through an appliance repair shop. Do not use abrasives or steel wool on the burner valves:  scratches = leaks.

 

The side panel is an easy fix, the last time I checked IPE charged about $60-70 for a side panel.  If it doesn't exactly match it won't be very noticeable.

 

For t-stat rebuilding I would call Repco - they do the t-stat rebuilding for many of the vintage stove restoration outfits. They normally don't deal directly with the public but might if you can't get your plumber or appliance man to send the parts - the plumber/repairman would probably charge a small service charge to send the t-stat for you but it would probably be cheaper than what the vintage stove repair shops mark up the valves.

 

 

Here is a picture of a typical stove valve. Some have a knurled knob to hold the tapered valve body inside the housing instead of the two screws this one has.

 



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Post# 738901 , Reply# 52   3/2/2014 at 23:18 (2,181 days old) by snoggle ()        

It looks like you've convinced us to restore it ourselves (We really are the King and Queen of "biting off more than we can chew".). Thank you for all of your help so far. I'm sure I'll need it! First order of business is getting the thing hauled in here from off of the trailer. Going to have to hire some strong, young men for the task! And then I'm sure I'll be back with more questions....


Post# 738935 , Reply# 53   3/3/2014 at 07:21 (2,180 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        

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You can lighten the stove somewhat by removing the burners, grates, and other loose heavy stuff before moving. You can also remove the side panels to prevent further damage.


Post# 739275 , Reply# 54   3/4/2014 at 17:24 (2,179 days old) by cornutt (Huntsville, AL USA)        

My great-aunt had the smaller six-burner-top version of this stove. It had one oven and the "glo" broiler. I think it was an older model, because I don't recall it having a clock or anything electric. It had a big wind-up timer that sat on top of the backsplash. The oven did not have a standing pilot; there was a flash tube that went to one of those holes in the oven bottom at the front edge. You turned the oven on and touched a match to the flash tube to light the burner.

Post# 747868 , Reply# 55   4/5/2014 at 17:05 (2,147 days old) by snoggle ()        

Here she is!

We finally got our T&C hauled into the house today and can't wait to get started.

It's in better shape than we first thought.


Post# 747876 , Reply# 56   4/5/2014 at 17:39 (2,147 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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That's some serious square footage for cooking, baking or canning.

For us it's beyond overkill, but ....it's a wonderful stove, and congrats ...will check in later to see where you place it and what a little elbow grease yields in looks.

Phil


Post# 747888 , Reply# 57   4/5/2014 at 18:25 (2,147 days old) by snoggle ()        

This is the only really significant damage.

Post# 747917 , Reply# 58   4/5/2014 at 19:27 (2,147 days old) by snoggle ()        

Phil - Many might say it is overkill for us too. Currently we just have our 15 month old son, but we both like to cook and can. We have a 1904 farmhouse and there is actually plenty of room in the kitchen for this beast without having to move cabinets or anything. I know that most days we won't use it to its full capacity, but we host most holidays for my family. It will be super handy for that!

Post# 747961 , Reply# 59   4/5/2014 at 22:46 (2,147 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        

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Very nice. It looks like at least one rear leg is bent judging by the damage at the lower rear of the side panel. This is common with these stoves, the legs are stamped steel trapezoids that are expected to support the stove weight. They bend if the stove is slid out from the wall for moving or cleaning.


Post# 748044 , Reply# 60   4/6/2014 at 09:00 (2,146 days old) by imperial70 (******)        

What a great stove. All those burners. I wonder if you would need an industrial size vent hood? It would be great fun to cook a holiday meal on that stove. Hope you enjoy it for many years.

Post# 748257 , Reply# 61   4/6/2014 at 22:27 (2,146 days old) by snoggle ()        

58limited - Did you end up getting the plastic handle inserts made? At least two of mine are broken. We can probably make them work, but I'd really rather replace them if I can do it for a reasonable amount of money. I'd probably buy several extra if I could.

Post# 748342 , Reply# 62   4/7/2014 at 07:32 (2,145 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        

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I haven't had them made yet.


Post# 748378 , Reply# 63   4/7/2014 at 09:27 (2,145 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        
1904 Farmhouse...

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well, if you have loads of room for this, it's going to be centerpiece. I love big stoves, as much as smaller ones - but the big ones are sort of inspirational - they say, "hey, what are going to make today?" ( I'd need to work out more).

Keep us posted. Thanks S.


Post# 749361 , Reply# 64   4/11/2014 at 17:27 (2,141 days old) by snoggle ()        

So, it looks like I'll be sending the burners and burner grates to IPE for re-enameling.

I'm going to look for a replacement for that side panel instead of getting it re-enameled.

Hubby is going to spray paint the other stove guts with high heat paint after cleaning them.

I've got an email out to Repco about rebuilding the thermostats.

So, the insulation in one door is full of grease and quite nasty. I'd like to replace it. I haven't looked at the rest of the insulation yet, but I might want to add extra to avoid heating up the house so much with this beast. Is there anywhere else to get appropriate roll insulation other than "The Old Appliance Club"? I just have a feeling they mark everything up a lot.


Post# 749362 , Reply# 65   4/11/2014 at 17:28 (2,141 days old) by snoggle ()        

And I think I need to buy stock in "Citrus De-greaser" and chrome polish....

Post# 749368 , Reply# 66   4/11/2014 at 17:48 (2,141 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        

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For the stove insulation, check a local appliance repair shop or check ebay.

 

I replaced both side panels on my stove (A friend gave me a 40" Roper of the same style so I have a "parts" donor but will ultimately restore it too). As I posted before, the legs that the stove sits on are a weak point. Be sure to check them before you put a good replacement side on the stove or it will  wind up like the one you already have.

 

When I get the new plastic handles made I'll let you know.




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Post# 749391 , Reply# 67   4/11/2014 at 20:15 (2,141 days old) by snoggle ()        

Luckily, the legs appear to be fine. I've attached a pic.

Three of the plastic handle inserts are broken and two of them have obviously been replaced at some point. So, I'd probably want to replace all 6 once you get them made so that they all match. Depending on price I might want a few extra too.

I'll figure out how much insulation I need and start searching eBay.

Have I mentioned how much fun it is to take a gigantic stove apart in the middle of my kitchen with a toddler on the loose...


Post# 751918 , Reply# 68   4/22/2014 at 12:44 (2,130 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        

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A couple of months ago I sent the aluminum broiler pans and the griddle off to be professionally polished. They came back today and look amazing! I'll post some pics this evening. Next I'll send off the chrome and then I can put the stove together and start using it. I'll then start on getting the plastic door handle inserts reproduced and the burner grates reporcelained - I can do four at a time and still have a four burner stove top to use in the mean time.

 

EDIT: here is a picture of the polished aluminum. You can see the before condition in my posts above:




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Post# 751990 , Reply# 69   4/22/2014 at 19:25 (2,130 days old) by washer111 ()        
*THUD*

That Aluminium looks AMAZING!


Post# 752002 , Reply# 70   4/22/2014 at 20:05 (2,130 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        

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I'm very happy with how the aluminum turned out. If anyone needs aluminum polishing, here is the contact information for the person who did mine. The cost was surprisingly reasonable:

 

Ray Carpenter.

email:  ray@afchromebolts.com

 

Thanks to Steve Sansone (54monroe) for the referral.


Post# 755153 , Reply# 71   5/5/2014 at 21:09 (2,117 days old) by snoggle ()        

58limited - The polished aluminum looks amazing!

We finally got our burners separated from the stove guts. I boxed them up with the grates and am sending them all to IPE tomorrow. (God bless flat rate shipping!)

The screws that held the burners to the stove guts were in rough shape due to corrosion. Should we replace them with stainless steel ones or some other material?




Post# 755336 , Reply# 72   5/6/2014 at 20:00 (2,116 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        

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Stainless would be my choice.


Post# 761038 , Reply# 73   6/2/2014 at 23:13 (2,089 days old) by snoggle ()        
Safety Systems

58limited (and anyone else who wants to chime in!),

About the safety system you mentioned in a previous post:

I talked to the people at TOAC today and asked about the custom safety systems that they build. First of all, I almost choked at their price and the 2-3 month waiting list. Also, they said I would need one for each oven but from their website, it looks like what they are talking about is for stoves older than mine - stoves without a pilot light. These safety systems add a pilot light on. Is this different than what you were talking about?

I'm all for safety, but I don't want to spend a huge amount of money on something that isn't necessary or is the wrong thing.

If what they were talking about is wrong, what should I be looking for instead. Any ideas about where I should look?


Post# 761498 , Reply# 74   6/4/2014 at 17:10 (2,087 days old) by mikael3 (Atlanta)        

The 1948 Roper T&C has got to be my absolute favorite stove design of all time, bar none.  I would get one in a heartbeat, but...

 

I really am wondering what kind of output those surface burners give.  Chambers is supposed to be the hottest, but I think even they top out at 12k.  (With their "daisy burner" design, my experience is that you get more heat on the pan than the BTUs would indicate; but 12k??)  I think the great big O'Keefe & Merritts have three 12k and three 9k.  But Roper, I think, tops out at something like 9k, maybe on all the burners other than that coffee-pot flame. That's pretty low to me.

 

I was just wondering what your overall experience is with those surface units.  I also wonder how strong the broilers are.  I'm not looking to get a modern inferno at 25k, but I want enough flame to get a good hot pan for searing.  (I use a professional hotplate for boiling giant pots of water, and I do my canning outside on one of those propane patio stoves.)

 

I've also heard that the quality of construction was below the O&Ms, Wedgewoods, and Western-Hollys.  The weak feet already mentioned are probably part of that.  I wonder if any other aspects of the construction seem a little down-market, compared to other ranges.

 

I'm in the market now for an electric range, but I have my eyes on the gas ones, too, for a different project.


Post# 761856 , Reply# 75   6/6/2014 at 08:42 (2,085 days old) by snoggle ()        
Burner output

mikael3,

I hope what you're saying about the output of the Roper burners is incorrect, or my husband is going to be so disappointed!

We haven't hooked it up yet to try it out. Still waiting on parts that we've sent out for enameling, etc. I'm hoping to have it hooked up by the end of the month (it is seriously getting old having it sit in the middle of the kitchen floor). We have a bunch of family coming to visit, the last weekend in June, and I'd really like to be able to use it then. I'll let you know how it works out!


Post# 762006 , Reply# 76   6/6/2014 at 21:36 (2,085 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        

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Safety systems can be pricey but you can get a do-it-yourself set up for less than the resto sites charge. I am a member of two Chambers forums and there are posts on how to do this but I would have to go find them.

 

Yes, you would need a safety for each oven. Even older stoves have a pilot, but the pilot is only on when the oven is on. When the oven reaches the set temperature, the flame goes to a low by-pass mode and the pilot will relight the by-pass flame if it blows out. When you turn the oven off, the pilot goes out and you must relight it with a match the next time you cook. The safety system has a pilot that is always on. Just turn the oven thermostat on and the burner lights - no match needed. There is a thermocouple that sits across the pilot flame. If the pilot goes out, the thermocouple will then shut off the gas to the burner and pilot so that you don't accidentally turn it on, walk off, and fill the house with gas OR so if both the pilot and oven by-pass flames go out you won't do the same. Each oven would need its own set up. On the Roper T&C, where to put the safety switches? The only place I can think of is the middle bottom storage drawer. Also, to add a complete safety system to the Roper T&C would involve a lot of extra plumbing of gas lines.

 

As far as the weak feet on the Roper, other brands had the same problem. Chambers, widely believed to be one of the best stoves ever made, had terrible feet - just some bolts that easily bent, especially considering that a Chambers is much heavier than most other brands.


Post# 763714 , Reply# 77   6/14/2014 at 22:25 (2,077 days old) by snoggle ()        
Valve cleaning solvent?

Okay, I'm starting on the valves.

What solvent should I use to clean the valves?

I have the valve cream stuff to apply (just a tiny amount) once they're clean.


Post# 763785 , Reply# 78   6/15/2014 at 10:24 (2,076 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        

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Did you remove the valves from the stove? That is how I clean mine. Some people just take the valve body out of the housing without removing from the gas manifold. I think you can clean them more thoroughly off the stove. I clean mine in gasoline and use a nylon scrub brush and Q-Tips. Remember: clean one at a time so you don't mix the parts up, they are not interchangeable. Spray brake cleaner from the auto parts store works great too.




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Post# 764191 , Reply# 79   6/17/2014 at 10:44 (2,074 days old) by snoggle ()        

Yes, I removed the valves completely. I'll get some brake cleaner today.

The burners and grates came in from IPE yesterday and they look amazing!!!

The thermostats should be here any day. I need to finish the insulation and then I can start trying to get this beast put back together.

Getting excited!


Post# 787436 , Reply# 80   10/5/2014 at 13:24 (1,964 days old) by snoggle ()        
Gaskets

58Limited

So, somehow I didn't realize that there were gaskets for each burner and for each thermostat. Apparently we threw them out. My husband just mentioned it today as I'm trying to put this back together.

So, I need to order gaskets. On TOAC and on antiquegasstoves they sell new ones that are listed for O'Keefe & Merritt and Wedgewood stoves. Would these be the right ones for the Roper as well? Is there somewhere else I should be looking for Roper replacement parts?

Thanks!


Post# 812739 , Reply# 81   3/7/2015 at 16:36 (1,811 days old) by Klong ()        

Any updates? I'm Interested in seeing your progress so far. Are the clock and timer original? Do they work? Mine are missing so I'd be very interested in seeing close up pictures, especially if they are original.

Post# 814391 , Reply# 82   3/17/2015 at 04:59 (1,801 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        

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Sorry, I haven't done anything in quite awhile. Yes, the clock and timer are original. I'll try to locate them for pictures.

 

Snoggle - Sorry, I missed your post last October. I don't know of a gasket source but maybe an auto parts store has gasket material that you can cut a gasket from - it needs to be a high temperature material.


Post# 1049764 , Reply# 83   11/3/2019 at 10:30 by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        

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Hi everyone. Life got really busy and I'm just now getting back to this project. I have not had time to work on anything else except two old trucks in the past 4-5 years.

Since my last post I've taken the top off the stove, removed the gas manifolds - there are two - and I've send four of the eight burner grates to be re-enameled at Independence Porcelain Enamel. I'm going to take the oven doors and broilers out and tip the stove forward to fix the rear legs: there is a bracket sticking out the back of the stove at the bottom that may be damaged if I tip the stove backwards.

I do need some advice: I haven't figured out how to remove the broiler drawers. They slide out and tip up but do not come off the track. The stove is in somewhat tight quarters so I can't get down to look for a release. Can anyone help? I'm sure it is simple but I have not applied any force for fear of damaging something.


Post# 1049768 , Reply# 84   11/3/2019 at 10:44 by appnut (TX)        

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David, I've been thinking about you and wondering how you were doing.  Glad to see you about and getting back to this project.  Email me at the email addy in my profile if you wish.  Bob


Post# 1050053 , Reply# 85   11/5/2019 at 21:26 by sarahperdue (Alabama)        
Wow!

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David,

That's a spectacular range!

I once bought a Roper gas range just for the broiler pan. I paid $10 for the range and sold it for $15.

Sarah


Post# 1055137 , Reply# 86   12/22/2019 at 12:30 by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        

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I sent half of the grates and one of the pilot covers to Independence Porcelain Enamel to be redone. They look great! I'll send the other half next month.

Unfortunately, I knocked one off the work bench and it cracked. It is the coffee burner grate - the one that is different from the others. I have to decide if I want to send it back and pay for a repair and re-enamel or just wait and see if the crack causes a problem once the grate is in place.


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Post# 1055138 , Reply# 87   12/22/2019 at 12:32 by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)        

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BTW - Bob, I did e-mail you in November but I haven't heard back. Hope all is well with you, Merry Christmas.

Post# 1056694 , Reply# 88   1/6/2020 at 10:43 by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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It's good to see you're still "with it" on this incredible stove. I wonder how many Degrees Fahrenheit the room temperature rises when all ovens and burners are working? LOL. I'd send the cracked grate back when it's possible.





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