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Thread Number: 41593
SPEED QUEEN PREVIEWS THEIR NEW CONTROL PANELS FOR THEIR TOP LOAD WASHERS!!! |
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Post# 613693 7/31/2012 at 11:08 (4,285 days old) by Pulsator  (Saint Joseph, MI) |
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 Those of us who have "liked" Speed Queen on Facebook have access to a survey showing 2 new possibilities for control panels for their topload washers which they to need to introduce to make their machines meet the new energy standards. I took the survey (rather lengthy actually, they want to know a lot about what we think about the new panels!!!) and though I'd share the two new panels here. Please find them on facebook and take the survey!!!
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Post# 613694 , Reply# 1 7/31/2012 at 11:08 (4,285 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI) |
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Post# 613695 , Reply# 2 7/31/2012 at 11:09 (4,285 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI) |
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| Post# 613723 , Reply# 3 7/31/2012 at 12:47 (4,285 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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| Post# 613740 , Reply# 4 7/31/2012 at 13:53 (4,285 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york) | ||
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Nice designs, question, where is the 'LARGE' water level load size setting. That was the same question I asked Speed Queen but, no answer. Without it, looks like a mistake. | ||
| Post# 613750 , Reply# 5 7/31/2012 at 14:14 (4,285 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea)) | ||
Unless they're going all the way to fully programmable, I prefer knobs. Trouble with the preprogrammed electronics is, you have to memorize what each one does.
Like this Whirlpool microwave the apt. replaced the original GE with. It has 'food' buttons which are just clutter on the panel because I don't know what they're appropriate for. Whereas I do know minutes/seconds/power. | ||
| Post# 613758 , Reply# 6 7/31/2012 at 14:29 (4,285 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee) | ||
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| Post# 613760 , Reply# 7 7/31/2012 at 14:35 (4,285 days old) by DirectDriveDave () | ||
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So even they have to go with electronics now? Sad, just sad...... Looks I will be trying to stay with the used market. Anyway, if I had to choose, it would be 3. This post was last edited 07/31/2012 at 17:18 | ||
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Post# 613776 , Reply# 8 7/31/2012 at 15:09 (4,285 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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Personally I like........
While I would really prefer to have, what looks to be a "regular" timer that I can start, stop and override at any time, in any way I choose..... I like option #3... from an aesthetics perspective. I don't care for the touch control version at all.
BTW, I deleted my FB account a couple weeks ago so I guess I won't be able to take this survey.
Kevin
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Post# 613787 , Reply# 9 7/31/2012 at 15:48 (4,285 days old) by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas) |
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I hope its not a new impeller washer. I've been wanting a new Speed Queen. | ||
| Post# 613809 , Reply# 10 7/31/2012 at 18:03 (4,285 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California) | ||
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Post# 613820 , Reply# 11 7/31/2012 at 19:08 (4,285 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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New SQ washer Panel Design I like option 3 also, electro-mechaneal timers are fast going by the way side, and SQ is having a lot of warranty problems with the current timers.
Everybody sing a few lines of The Times They Are A Changing, it is stupid not to change to the more reliable electronic controls. The FL washer is all electronic and we have never had a single problem with them and I sure can't say that about the timers in the TL washers. | ||
| Post# 613828 , Reply# 12 7/31/2012 at 19:22 (4,285 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
Option 3 | ||
| Post# 613866 , Reply# 14 7/31/2012 at 22:14 (4,285 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT) | ||
None... | ||
| Post# 613870 , Reply# 15 7/31/2012 at 22:39 (4,285 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee) | ||
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| Post# 613891 , Reply# 16 8/1/2012 at 00:12 (4,285 days old) by alr2903 (TN) | ||
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Someone posted that the SQ commercial TL machines only drain 1/2 the wash water and then refill for rinse. Is this true or false? alr | ||
| Post# 613892 , Reply# 17 8/1/2012 at 00:16 (4,285 days old) by DirectDriveDave () | ||
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Sadly, that is true. | ||
| Post# 613917 , Reply# 19 8/1/2012 at 06:50 (4,284 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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What about... | ||
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Post# 613918 , Reply# 20 8/1/2012 at 07:26 (4,284 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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The flexibility of the touch-controls blows the others away but would hope the final product gets tarted up a bit. Looks kind of boring.
Hopefully the domestic models will have a different cycle profile than the commercial. Replacing some of the wash water and calling it a rinse wouldn't work for me. Blech! | ||
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Post# 613934 , Reply# 21 8/1/2012 at 08:42 (4,284 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Malcolm, those use water and that's a no-no. | ||
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Post# 613943 , Reply# 22 8/1/2012 at 09:27 (4,284 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI) |
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Link to the survey... | ||
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Post# 613944 , Reply# 23 8/1/2012 at 09:35 (4,284 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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I like the smooth touchpad panel (Option 1), but as Malcolm noted, wish it had more options for things like soak and prewash.
If you want maximum flexibility to repeat/lengthen/skip parts of a cycle, then the current (Option 2) panel is the way to go. Boy, I really hope they're not extending the disgusting feature of rinsing clothes in half of the wash water to their home line. I use liquid chlorine bleach frequently, so that would be a big problem. The top-loaders they've been making recently are the closest thing on the market to a traditional/vintage machine. Would hate to see that corrupted. Thanks for the information on this, Jamie! I think it's commendable that they're interested in getting opinions from the general public. | ||
| Post# 613958 , Reply# 24 8/1/2012 at 10:49 (4,284 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT) | ||
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Be sure to link this site so Speed Queen sees us
I put this link in the first question "How did you hear about this survey" choosing "other".
www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T... Maybe they'll track out concerns & comments right from this site. | ||
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Post# 613961 , Reply# 25 8/1/2012 at 10:58 (4,284 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 613981 , Reply# 26 8/1/2012 at 11:36 (4,284 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Amana | ||
| Post# 613984 , Reply# 27 8/1/2012 at 11:47 (4,284 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Like This... | ||
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Post# 613994 , Reply# 28 8/1/2012 at 12:07 (4,284 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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Post# 614012 , Reply# 30 8/1/2012 at 14:08 (4,284 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 614014 , Reply# 31 8/1/2012 at 14:23 (4,284 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Do they have to follow the govt. regs on ALL machines
If appliance manufacturers want federal R&D funds/tax credits and the all important use of the "Energy Star" label they do.
No law is stopping any white goods maker from producing washing machines that "guzzle" water and or energy, it is just that with free federal money why spend their own. Also consumers are becoming more and more programmed to seek out "Energy Star" rated appliances, not to mention various rebate schemes. Don't know about elsewhere but households in NYC have been hit with water rate hikes yearly for the past several. Apartment dwellers including co-ops and condos are often somewhat sheltered because certain multi-family buildings do not have individual meters per unit, but all private homes here have had them by law for over a decade now. Worse still NYC recently switched all meters over to those electronic versions that transmit information via radio waves. Many here swear the things are inaccurate but the city is standing by them. One local homeowner in Staten Island got a water bill for several hundred dollars even though the house was empty that month because of renovations. | ||
| Post# 614035 , Reply# 32 8/1/2012 at 17:14 (4,284 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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sure electronic control panels are nice but the only trouble is if you pause the machine the electronic panel turns it self off and i can predict that alot will went a refurbish second hand set because newer model usaly comes with a raise in price depending on the components and i do not have a water meter but it do not mean that i agree and i remember seeing back in 1992 a dependable care maty with electronic controls a model like in this pic but the controls where electronic me in my eyes and book and do not say i am wrong could have engergy star washers but stick with the good old fashion timer dial that you pull to start and push to stop.
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| Post# 614041 , Reply# 33 8/1/2012 at 17:28 (4,284 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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Post# 614048 , Reply# 34 8/1/2012 at 18:04 (4,284 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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IIRC The Story Correctly
Fully electronic/motherboard controls are now cheaper to produce than mechanical or even electronic/mechanical versions so the latter are being used less and less. Since they aren't be used those who made them either went out of business or moved on to something else.
Fully electronic controls allow appliances to seem more upscale than perhaps they really are. Great for slapping onto what otherwise would have been a BOL or MOL appliance years ago and thus allowing higher price points. | ||
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Post# 614069 , Reply# 35 8/1/2012 at 19:41 (4,284 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine) |
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That Maytag pair looks just like my 1984 LA511 and LDE410 that still run perfect after 28 years. I guess being old school, I would prefer the regular mechanical controls if I was ever to buy a new Speed Queen, which would be my only choice in new machines. But hopefully I can keep these Maytags going for as long as I am still able to do laundry.
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| Post# 614070 , Reply# 36 8/1/2012 at 19:43 (4,284 days old) by rdmatos () | ||
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Matching Dryer? If they end up using option one for the new models will they make a matching dryer with a digital panel? Most people would want a matching set if they planned to purchase both the washer and dryer at the same time. | ||
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Post# 614107 , Reply# 38 8/1/2012 at 22:52 (4,284 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Speed Queen Relibilty I own a SQ dealer and we do warranty work, I also have a friend in Cleveland Ohio who does the same and he is disgusted with the quality of the TL washers Timers. SQ washers in general have far more problems in the first few years than WP or GE laundry. They are very much like MTs in the 1970s and 80s. This is both good and bad as both machines were well built, but both suffered from a lot of early failures being smaller companies. The inlet valves that SQ uses are not that all that great, we have had quite a few that did not shut off and caused floods.
Conventional timers are not used in many machines any longer and they have been cheapened over the last decade so I would expect them not to be as good as they once were. We have also seen these types of problems with ovens that still have mechanical controls for the ovens, the thermostats are very cheap and don't hold up well. | ||
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Post# 614151 , Reply# 39 8/2/2012 at 05:25 (4,283 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia) |
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Timers on SQ's.....
John,
I've actually heard something similar to what you've said from a timer reconditioner here in Australia. He noticed a lot of Speed Queen timers were failing around the 6 year mark and said i would probably have the same issue with my SQ in due time. He said it was something to do with the 'tolerances'? Does that sound familiar at all? Cheers Leon | ||
| Post# 614369 , Reply# 42 8/3/2012 at 07:15 (4,282 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Touchscreen | ||
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Post# 614447 , Reply# 43 8/3/2012 at 13:29 (4,282 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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let the user design his/her own cycles...  Personally, I do not believe the average U.s. consumer has the expertise, understanding, or even cares enough to have the ability to do that extensive enough of "programming" flexibility when doing laundry. Me, I am a picky sorter and would utilize it extensively. I'd like the same for a dishwasher and dryer too. | ||
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Post# 614538 , Reply# 44 8/3/2012 at 20:53 (4,282 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Post# 614922 , Reply# 46 8/5/2012 at 15:22 (4,280 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Flooding SQ FL Washers | ||
| Post# 614932 , Reply# 47 8/5/2012 at 16:08 (4,280 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
This is terrible! 
Why???? I wonder why the hell they need to change mechanics controls to electronic ones!
New standards? What? It is maybe the start of the end of probably the last brand who use to produce washers as they should be! That is just too sad and worrying! I agree with mtn1584 for how concerns controls. I don't like one of them! Miss alot of stuff and anyway mechanics controls are and always will be the best! Write to speed queen!!!! NOW!!!!! let's avoid this!!!!! | ||
| Post# 615016 , Reply# 48 8/5/2012 at 20:35 (4,280 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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me i have a feeling that the demand for 1990 and earlyer washer models before the new water norm or energy star win other word word washers that are from the 1990 to 1950 refurbish second hand fix and resold in use appliance store or models that talented members can fix will be in very high demand and there are those that will complain about these and this also do not answer the question will this new speed queen washer be agitator base or have a wash plate in the bottom that is auto water level and what about those that needs an extra rinse option because from what i see it seems they eliminated the extra rinse option unless its automatic. and what about the price cost and will there be models with diffenrent cycles like hand wash or a prewash soack cycle ect.
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Post# 615018 , Reply# 49 8/5/2012 at 20:42 (4,280 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Changing Mechanics/Controls | ||
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Post# 615020 , Reply# 50 8/5/2012 at 20:45 (4,280 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Older Washers
Demand may increase for them but then so would prices. As it tis there was a time even near mint units went for pennies, now everyone thinks they can fund their retirement on some beaten up appliance. Then there are the ever increasing numbers of scrappers some of whom are using more and more aggressive tactics to get at old appliances.
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Post# 615056 , Reply# 51 8/6/2012 at 04:27 (4,279 days old) by donprohel (I live in Munich - Germany, but I am Italian) |
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The rationale is simpler, Launderess At the same level of functional complexity, electronic controls are cheaper than mechanical controls: this is the main reason why they are used. For instance, it is not easy to handle an out of balance with a mechanical control, while and electronic control can manage it easily | ||
| Post# 615073 , Reply# 52 8/6/2012 at 07:36 (4,279 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Worse and worse.......
Well at this point I can just say that I would not be surprised if the used market will increase in next years......
If it is just a matter of reimbursement from the gov. for making crappy uneffective machines... well, they might go back to produce stuff as it should be, there is time for them to understand....let's see. Many are already complaining...... Que sera,sera...... | ||
| Post# 615081 , Reply# 53 8/6/2012 at 08:46 (4,279 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida) | ||
Speaking of Speed Queen, We are........................
looking to buy a new front load machine fairly soon, so we think. Did go to the local dealer here in Panama City to check out the price etc. $1550.00 for the washer and $639.00 for the dryer. Liked the simple control layout with the mechanical timer and twist selction for water temps. Was told that the topload machines would soon be changed and no longer be "managed" by the owner. I knew what he meant right away. We both Chuckled. I let him know that we have our A608 set purchased in 1978 and did not intend to let go. Got a wink and an "atta-boy"!
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Post# 615189 , Reply# 54 8/6/2012 at 19:00 (4,279 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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SQ FL Washers | ||
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Post# 615307 , Reply# 55 8/7/2012 at 07:30 (4,278 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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THanks for the support John! I'll have my mop ready now!
The controls on my SQ FL's are very flexible I find. You can do just about anything if you select it activate it then return to OFF and then to the new position. I can get a cold fill on wash (NEVER HAPPEN IN MY HOUSE!)
I can rinse/ spin. Soak in water etc. I can do a cold fill, then switch to heat boost for a long wash period with enzymes. The SQ Is a very simple design for controls. | ||
| Post# 615309 , Reply# 56 8/7/2012 at 07:41 (4,278 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida) | ||
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John - combo52 NOT to insult your intelegence
but in my expereince, when you have the "turn" a knob, dial, switch etc. it is a moving part, therefore mechanical, not activated by touch. I was referring to model AFN50R. Take a look, I am sure you will agree. --Steve
www.speedqueen.com/home/en-us/pro... | ||
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Post# 615554 , Reply# 57 8/8/2012 at 07:13 (4,277 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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SQ FL Washer Controls Yes Steven the SQ FL washers have a mechanical switches that you control with your hands to set, as do 95% of all the touch control panels on appliances today. The first picture in this thread technically is a mechanical control panel linked to a circuit board covered with all kinds of electronic components, just like the current SQ FL washers, Thanks for giving me a chance to explain this better, John. | ||
| Post# 615559 , Reply# 58 8/8/2012 at 07:55 (4,277 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida) | ||
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I see your point | ||
| Post# 615687 , Reply# 60 8/8/2012 at 17:06 (4,277 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c ) | ||
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I know it will not happen!!! BUT, Have the timer manufacturers take a good timer from the 50s, copy it exactly, then take a good BRASS water valve from the 50s COPY IT, and then LEAVE IT ALONE..except, have a good light on the back splash and one in the tub,,also, have it made all porcelian, even the outside. | ||
| Post# 615777 , Reply# 62 8/9/2012 at 08:41 (4,276 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida) | ||
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| Post# 615817 , Reply# 63 8/9/2012 at 11:14 (4,276 days old) by Spinmon (st. charles mo ) | ||
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The AWN 542 washer & not sure of dryer,like AGE4. TOL on both,gonna be $1629.60 installed W/tax & move KM's to basement. I know it's not a 'deal',but I support the local dealer who's been in business 40 years. | ||
| Post# 615970 , Reply# 64 8/10/2012 at 03:40 (4,275 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO) | ||
No one's gonna tell me what I can or cannot do with my washing machine or dishwasher. I'll take it apart and re-engineer it, I'll fill it up with a garden hose hooked to a water heater, I'll drill a hole in the side of it if I have to, I'll even boil my water myself if they f#%k with w/h's anymore. But I won't be told by the government or anybody else how to do my laundry or wash my dishes. End of GD story!
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| Post# 616004 , Reply# 65 8/10/2012 at 08:17 (4,275 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida) | ||
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| Post# 616279 , Reply# 67 8/11/2012 at 08:44 (4,274 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO) | ||
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Well, unfortunately the general public are idiots. They want everything to be pretty and shiny. They're like birds in cages that like to peck at themselves in a mirror and hear a bell ring.
It's a f#%k*ng washing machine for God sakes, not a jewelry box. I think a lot of them would be happy if the lid popped open and a ballerina would dance. Fortunately, most of us here at AW are smarter than the average bear. | ||
| Post# 616390 , Reply# 68 8/11/2012 at 17:41 (4,274 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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i am for engery star qualifing appliance topload washers or
Me i am open and agree that appliances needs to be energy star qualify but why sundely change a design that as been known for years and not everyone wash there clothes everyday i know that e in my case when i do not have much to wash i sometime wait until i have a full load before starting a wash, so in a way the day i do not have to do a load of laundry even do i have a front load washer that dates from 2004 when i have only 2 3 items unless its something i need i say to my self that it can wait so in way why must they change washers to have lower water levels in the case of topload and and the point of having low fill rinse. I Have to rely sometime on hot water washing for certain items if for exemple i have to use bleach but this is very reare i eather stick to cold water wash or warm water wash when needed if things keeps up in my humble opinion we will be reading witch i hope will not happen that they are eliminating the hot water temp from washers witch will its sad to say raise the price on frontload washers that have water heater just to have the option of a hot water wash or whot water temp witch would be ilogical to eliminate the hot water tem from washers from my point of view that is. i already fine ilogical that they are making new washers all cold rinse when sometime a good old fashion warm rinse could save in drying cycle time. That go for both type of washers topload or front load
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| Post# 616688 , Reply# 70 8/12/2012 at 22:31 (4,273 days old) by Spinmon (st. charles mo ) | ||
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beekeyknee, Man,don't sugarcoat it,tell us what you REALLY think! 8>). Seriously,I live in St Charles & deliver (meds mostly) to Columbia fairly often. Your 'ballerina' REALLY nailed me. Hang in,bro,you know it's only gonna' get worse. | ||
| Post# 735813 , Reply# 72 2/17/2014 at 10:35 (3,719 days old) by washman (o) | ||
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God help us When these machines hit the market. Glad I got mine when I did. | ||
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Post# 736144 , Reply# 74 2/18/2014 at 19:02 (3,718 days old) by Chetlaham (United States) |
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Do the electronic versions have a transmission?
I would hope they at least keep the transmission and spin drain... or at least the spin drain but who knows. I will admit getting rid of the transmission would make repairs easy since the current speed queen design requires a hard tear down if the gear case fails. It will be interesting but begging speed queen the durability and simplicty is kept like in the current designs: metal outer tub, suspension, thick metal frames. | ||
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Transmission | ||
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Post# 736233 , Reply# 77 2/19/2014 at 00:13 (3,718 days old) by Chetlaham (United States) |
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Speed Queen knows the consumer
IMO, from reading the consumer reviews speed queen knows the customers well. Most of the reviews are from customers saying something along the lines of "I wanted a machene thats simple, durable and actually uses water, so I got a speed queen because its like our old one"
I think Speed Queen knows there is a small but rapidly growing number of people looking for machines that actually clean and dont break down so fast. Reading the reviews on the Sears, Lowes and Home Depot pages shows a lot and I mean a lot of people who are irate over the new machines that have come out in the last 4 years. In particular long time Kenmore fans are ranting about the locking lids, hour long cycles, snags and torn clothes, noise, repairs... Ive gotten the idea people arent to thrilled. While most people (something like 90%?) dont care about the machines they buy; Speed Queen knows rebadging a portion of the commercial machines will make them a profit since there is a growing demand for general consumers looking for durable machines. The local appliance place that sells Speed Queen told me a lot more people are asking for old style machines after trying out HE impeller washers and being disappointed. Not to mention you have the folks who are buying brand after brand where 2 months in the display the sings a charming tune starts displaying EEF1, FC45, F<4, LF-N or what other cryptic it can think of. That is enough to push even regular folks to do research and buy a real washer. So far Ive had my SQ top load for about 4 months and I LOVE IT!!!!! Classic performance and for a machine thats so powerful its so quite too. Unlike the other top loaders that would wake the town when going into spin. (I had a Dircect drive maytag where the whole outer cabinet would squeel and rattle despit being level. There actually U tube videos of the same style machines doing the same thing) I think as Whirlpool and GE compete on who can make the bigger pile of garbage Speed Queen will start gaining more customers. And truth be they dont have to worry about building a machine that lasts 15-20 either, they have to because commercial laundry is their primary business. So any machine they do sell will be built with longevity in mind. Even if Speed Queen does in the end make an economy machine for the residential market Its a safe bet on who will be buying a commercial ones. Love Speed Queen! Long live Speed Queen! :D | ||
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Post# 736235 , Reply# 78 2/19/2014 at 00:39 (3,718 days old) by Chetlaham (United States) |
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| Post# 736716 , Reply# 79 2/21/2014 at 03:01 (3,715 days old) by alr2903 (TN) | ||
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Locking Lid? Sorry Jamie i could not get the survey to open. alr | ||
| Post# 736722 , Reply# 80 2/21/2014 at 04:20 (3,715 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea)) | ||
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Mechanicals were reliable.... in the mechanical day. This is the cutcost day, where a junk mechanical is just as likely to fail as a junk digital.
So if you're going to jam digital down our throats as a reliability breakeven, at least make the damn thing programmable. Clever programming costs no more than stupid programming. You have to pay the programmer either way so it's just what you specify you want done. It's possible to satisfy both customer sets. The ones who want only 2 start buttons (white cotton, permpress) and the ones who want to design their own program. With exactly the same hardware and software cost. Why is NOBODY doing that? Because they're stucking fupid? Yeah, that would explain it. Because corporations are run by MBAs (which functionally should be called MCCs, Master of Cheap Crap) and MMas (Master of Marketing), neither of which have any concept whatsoever of what the product is supposed to accomplish. And if you try to explain it to them, their eyes roll back in their heads. Trust me, I saw it firsthand, as quality auditing engineer for Dell just before they blew off quality altogether (including me and everyone I worked with) 13 years ago. The best you can possibly accomplish now is knowing what you want and what compromise best represents it. | ||
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Jamie Thank You! LOL, my mind will not cooperate with me lately. | ||
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Post# 737058 , Reply# 87 2/22/2014 at 21:17 (3,714 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA) |
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| Post# 737098 , Reply# 89 2/23/2014 at 02:25 (3,713 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO) | ||
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I'm sorry about my past language in this thread. I was dealing with water heater problems at the time and the government mandates that we're causing it. And it was keeping me from concentrating on other projects I needed to be doing and wasting my time. I still get angry when government interferes with the average citizens lives when we have enough problems. I understand that they're trying to help the general population, but I think sometimes they're misdirected in their efforts to help and end up causing more problems than they solve. I've been trying to temper my comments before posting. Getting upset and making inflammatory remarks doesn't help anyone.
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| Post# 737204 , Reply# 90 2/23/2014 at 16:40 (3,713 days old) by Lightedcontrols () | ||
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Hate to be the one to tell you this.... but my sources, and they are pretty good, are telling me that the agitator washer will be phased out THIS year. I've seen the new design so I know it's on it's way.....just sayin.... | ||
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Post# 737219 , Reply# 92 2/23/2014 at 17:51 (3,713 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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New ENERGY STAR Speed Queen Top Load Washers
I hope you are correct Mark, as a SQ dealer it would be great if they came out with a well built ES TL washer, I know that many of their TL washer customers are difficult people with their heads in the sand, and that probably still use incandescent light bulbs [ LOL ] But the reality is if SQ is to continue growing they will have to start building a decent High Efficiency TL washer, we all know that their front load washers are great. They have very few problems with the boards in the FL washers, in fact far fewer than timer problems in their TL washers.
John L. | ||
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Post# 737277 , Reply# 95 2/24/2014 at 00:08 (3,713 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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@combo52 I do not believe these people have their heads in the sand nor do I or the people on this forum. Front load washers by themselves when built right work well, but the vast majority of appliances whirlpool, ge and heir make are garbage. They do not clean well at all and far bigger is fact they don't last anywhere near as long. Front loads over seas are very different to ours with those countries having had decades to formulate detergents, cycles and engineer machines that are right. They have ironed out the bugs we haven't. We cant even get heaters in our washers without electrical upgrades or long cycles. Any front load by an American company just wont be the same, and the impeller machines are laundry suicide. American consumers see this and are having a knee jerk reaction looking for what worked well for them well in the past. Go and read any review on Lowes, Sears, Home Depot and you will see more than a usual number of folks irate at the new machines, asking for the old ones. Being the laundry conscious person I am having experimented on a number of machines the newer machines just aren't the same.
And since you mentioned CFLs a lot of people don't like them either, hence why other energy efficient light sources are being worked upon. They have mercury in them, some overheat and crack at the end of life, color isn't the same, warm up time,... your pick there is something of concern for everyone in a CFL. The mercury is alone enough of a concern for reason to complex to get into, break one and concentrations require room evacuation with gloved clean up, and yes, I get fluorescent lights are used everywhere. But when a fluorescent tube burns out or HPS/MV street lamp goes out the spent bulbs are required to be disposed of correctly by the licensed electricians doing the work. However in residential the average HO just tosses the bulb in the trash. One scenario gets correct treatment the other is anybody's guess. LEDs on the other hand are the future of lighting and so far I like them. Mercury free, no flicker, instant on, longer lasting, warm light nearly identical to incandescent.
Keep in mind we see a lot of questionable things in society because millions on billions are made off of the latest and greatest. When your asking millions of people to change habits for financial gain, understand you will have to sell a believable story to the public. | ||
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Post# 737561 , Reply# 97 2/25/2014 at 09:55 (3,711 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 737777 , Reply# 98 2/26/2014 at 07:53 (3,710 days old) by mtn1584 (USA) | ||
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According the VP of North American Sales for Alliance....... the current line of Top Loaders will be in production through 2018. Mike | ||
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