Thread Number: 42263
JCPenny Portable Dishwasher in Grand Rapids |
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Post# 621924   9/1/2012 at 22:50 (4,248 days old) by classiccaprice (Hampton, Virginia)   |   | |
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Post# 621929 , Reply# 2   9/1/2012 at 23:18 (4,248 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 621935 , Reply# 3   9/1/2012 at 23:50 (4,248 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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Post# 621938 , Reply# 4   9/2/2012 at 00:16 (4,248 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 621943 , Reply# 5   9/2/2012 at 01:51 (4,248 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))   |   | |
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Probably an OK machine and unique for its badging and console trim. But a moderate performer for washing and reilability. Any WP/KM Powerclean, MT Jetclean or Hobart/KA from the same time frame would severely outwash and outlast it. Nonetheless a good find as it is a piece of bygone appliance brandname history.
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Post# 621960 , Reply# 6   9/2/2012 at 05:53 (4,248 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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Post# 621965 , Reply# 7   9/2/2012 at 06:11 (4,248 days old) by rinso (Meridian Idaho)   |   | |
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This model has no soil seperator, AKA food particle filter. That means, regardless of what the owner's manual says, dishes need to be rinsed before loading. Otherwise, food particles will often be re-deposited on the dishes and silverware. |
Post# 621972 , Reply# 8   9/2/2012 at 06:50 (4,248 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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"This model has no soil seperator, AKA food particle filter."
At least on GE-badged models, the motor/pump assembly had a food disposal blade built into it. To block that off with a particle filter would have been absurd. Is it possible that GE built another motor/pump assembly specific to Penney's-badged models? Seems expensive and unnecessary, but then again, this is GE we're tawkin'. |
Post# 621976 , Reply# 9   9/2/2012 at 07:02 (4,248 days old) by cyclemonitor ()   |   | |
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Post# 621983 , Reply# 14   9/2/2012 at 07:11 (4,248 days old) by cyclemonitor ()   |   | |
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Post# 621992 , Reply# 20   9/2/2012 at 07:17 (4,248 days old) by cyclemonitor ()   |   | |
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Post# 621996 , Reply# 22   9/2/2012 at 07:32 (4,248 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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This model does use the SAME pump and motor that even the best GE DWs of the time period used, so it does have a small disposer blade that will grind up bits of food and redistribute it through the wash chamber. These DWs can and do produce acceptably clean dishes if not overloaded with food waste, they relied on the many water changes to get rid of any food particles.
Sandy you are correct about door gasket problems of the HP line, This DW does have a porcelain tank and door and while they did not rust out in the aggressive way that the GE plastisol tub machines did they were still no stranger to some rust issues in the sump and at the lower inside edge of the door.
Reliability of this and GE DWs in general was quite good, certainly better than MT DWs and believe it or not at as good as KA DWs. That is not to say that the two later machines were not better built and had the potential to be repaired and end lasting longer, but in a good home the GE-HPs had fewer service calls in the first 10-15 years of ownership.
One thing to keep in mind was that MT did build a very reliable washing machine for a long time, best in the industry from about the early 1960s-into the early 1980s when WP passed them with the DD washer. They did this with the washer partly at the expense of great performance however. But when it came to MTs great performing DW and there good performing dryers, neither of these MT appliances ever achieved top reliability as there were several other brands in both categories that always out did them in the reliability area. |
Post# 622077 , Reply# 23   9/2/2012 at 16:22 (4,247 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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I wish I still had my old GE convertible/portable to show you. I never knew the exact year, though the GE help line once told me it was from the second half of the '70s. It had the plastisol liner AND it said "PermaTuf."
Leaks at the bottom of the door were a problem from first day to last. I can't even remember how many times I resprayed the lower access panel after grinding off the latest crop of rust. No amount of latch adjustment, new gasket or new anything else ever helped. It was also an indifferent cleaner. Not the worst ever (that dubious honor belonged to a BOL Hottie that was in an apartment complex I lived in during the later '70s), but nowhere near what a really good DW like a KA could do. It spent most of its working life built in, until I gave it to someone needing a dishwasher very badly, at which time it was re-converted to its portable configuration. |
Post# 622438 , Reply# 27   9/3/2012 at 22:11 (4,246 days old) by tecnopolis (Ocala/Dunnellon, Florida 34481)   |   | |
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Post# 622507 , Reply# 29   9/4/2012 at 07:17 (4,246 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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That was one of the biggest canards about dishwashers back in the day - that they somehow used dozens or hundreds of gallons of hot water to deliver their results.
The average usage was actually twelve to fourteen gallons, which is far less than most people will run down the sink drain hand-rinsing the same number of dishes a dishwasher can hold. I think this got started because many midcentury miracles did waste resources - frost-free fridges used more electricity, air-conditioned cars used more gas, etc. But dishwashers were pretty blameless, and delivered more sanitary dishes than many a housework-hating housewife was willing to deliver into the bargain. It angers me that dishwashers have been such a target of environmentalists. They saved water instead of wasting it. That wasn't good enough - now they have to "wash" dishes in an inadequate amount of water to do the job. Never mind that improperly washed dishes can make people sick or spread an illness throughout a family. |
Post# 622517 , Reply# 31   9/4/2012 at 08:35 (4,246 days old) by bwoods ()   |   | |
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Well said, Sandy! |