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Another Commercial Grade Washer that COULD be Used in a Residence
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Post# 625714   9/17/2012 at 18:35 (4,210 days old) by Redroverfish ()        

Laundrylux/Wascomat has introduced a commercial grade washer for the USA market, called "Crossover", which can be used in a residence, or house. Speed Queen Horizon would be most folks first option. I don't know much about it and have not seen it. However, it is said to have the following features:

* 3.5 cubic ft drum. (Speed Queen Horizon Drum volume is 2.8 cf)
* pump drain
* 300g force in spin cycle.
* rated for 15,000 cycles
* 120 Voltage.
* cost just over $2000
* can be purchased with or without coin features


Sounds good. I'll let someone else post photos and provide commentary.





Post# 625725 , Reply# 1   9/17/2012 at 19:25 (4,210 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Tease!

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Shouldn't get persons worked up without offering *something*! *LOL*

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Post# 625735 , Reply# 2   9/17/2012 at 19:46 (4,210 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
To Be Clear

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These units aren't being marketed for "domestic" use but route/coin-ops/condos/multi-family and OPL situations.

Basically what you've got is a very well built (one homes) energy efficient quasi commercial washing machine meant to replace top loaders and or domestic machines like Maytag's Neptune's that are adapted for commercial use. Major claims to fame are the washer's lifespand (15,000 duty cycles minimum), and the fact it will continue washing no matter how bad oversuds conditions are, hence the triple sealed bearings one supposes.

Like many coin-op/laundryette washers you get only four set wash programs (Hot, Warm, Cold, Delicate) plus two cycle modifiers (Extra Rinse and Heavy Soil), without any means of user adjustment from what one can see.


Post# 625781 , Reply# 3   9/17/2012 at 22:40 (4,210 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

Looks like direct competition to Speed Queen's front loader offering.

Post# 625799 , Reply# 4   9/18/2012 at 00:04 (4,210 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

I wonder how much it costs and of course how many gallons of water does it use?
It it only gets the clothing just damp, what good is it?


Post# 625802 , Reply# 5   9/18/2012 at 00:20 (4,210 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Cost

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About $1800 MSRP (found around the Internet), obviously dealers may vary.

Extraction is 1000rpms with 300 g force. Considering the size of the drum this washer shouldn't be leaving items "dripping wet". Surely does a better job of extraction than most current laundryette SQ, Wascomat and other machines.

As for water use the specs say it can be adjusted in the field. One assumes therefore there is some play to give higher wash and or rinse levels.


Post# 625807 , Reply# 6   9/18/2012 at 00:56 (4,210 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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$1800 is not even that high for TOL stuff. IINM Korea will sell you one for that with more gizmos than you know what to do with, but it won't make it past warranty. Wascomat is serious machinery.

Post# 625818 , Reply# 7   9/18/2012 at 01:33 (4,209 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Am Guessing There Is Something Wrong With That Price

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Or one just isnt' understanding what a poster was saying. Cannot be $1800 for a quasi commercial washer, nope, must cannot be not at all.

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Post# 625820 , Reply# 8   9/18/2012 at 01:43 (4,209 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
These Would Be Great Washers

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If one wanted to do without all the La-De-Dah of various cycle options and just wanted to get on with the thing of washing.

Mind you I would want to have one of those older Rudd water heaters that put out 180F temps directly to the machine along with a short run to keep the water from cooling off.

As for stain removal you're it's probably going to be LCB unless the pre-preprogrammed cycles can be extended to accomodate


Post# 625973 , Reply# 9   9/18/2012 at 17:59 (4,209 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

According to the linked laundry website these have been around since 2007, so their reliability should be available.

They look nice, but I wonder if you would need a Wascomat computer to reprogram the water levels. I use Wascomats at our coin op and I really like them. They use a serious amount of water and runs a complete cycle with extra rinse in 48 minutes.


Post# 625983 , Reply# 10   9/18/2012 at 18:37 (4,209 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
One Other Big Selling Point

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Is these machines run on 120v/single phase power. This again makes them an easy slide in replacement for top loaders and other domestic "appliance" type washers.

Just wonder what design features allow the unit to continue spinning regardless of suds locking/over frothing.


Post# 625998 , Reply# 11   9/18/2012 at 20:32 (4,209 days old) by 300C (Jonesboro, GA)        
Suspension System Yay!

Is the machine a bolt-down, or does it have a suspension? I juast read the pdf. The machine has a suspension system.

Post# 626003 , Reply# 12   9/18/2012 at 20:47 (4,209 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Suspension System ='s Soft Mount

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Most always, and applies in this case with the "CrossOver" washers.

Again their claim to fame is they do not require the normal electrical and structural demands of commercial hardmount washers (220v/usually three phase power) and a dump drain.


Post# 626035 , Reply# 13   9/19/2012 at 00:39 (4,209 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

For a spin system they may use a direct drive system and a ton of shock absorbers to handle out of balance loads. I wonder if they are somewhat quiet or as loud as the machines in the coin op. Then those Wascomat's go into high speed spin the entire laundry can hear it!

If they are not "temp controlled" at $1800. they may be worth it. Cheaper than a Miele.


Post# 626041 , Reply# 14   9/19/2012 at 01:17 (4,209 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Have A Hunch We "Domestic Users" Will Not Find A Pri

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Commercial laundry equipment most always is sold via dealers whom have considerable leeway in terms of pricing. These CrossOver units are geared towards route and apartment laundries and laundromats. In such cases it's hardly likely someone is going to purchase just one machine. There are probaly also dealer and or manufacturer incentives and or discounts as well.

Post# 626047 , Reply# 15   9/19/2012 at 02:13 (4,208 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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If m'lady means one can't buy JUST ONE for $1800, I suspect she may be correct.

Post# 626050 , Reply# 16   9/19/2012 at 02:46 (4,208 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Remember reading something awhile ago that most commercial/laundromat washer/extractors use an industy standard of $100-$200 per rated pound capacity.

At 22lbs using that formula would put the Crossover at $2200 on the low end and $4400 at high per machine. Yes, one assumes you get a better deal the more units are purchased and or if one is kitting out a full laundry room/laundromat.


Post# 626108 , Reply# 17   9/19/2012 at 11:18 (4,208 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Commerical Quality washers For Home use

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Glad to see others getting into this area, But with the SQ FL machines being rated for 25,000 loads, costing only 1,500.00, having a 3 year in home warranty and MOST important an established service network to handle the problems that will arise I see little reason to consider this machine at this time.


Post# 626139 , Reply# 18   9/19/2012 at 14:41 (4,208 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
I'll Say It Again

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While nothing seems to be preventing domestic consumers from purchasing "CrossOver" washer/extractors and or dyers they are not the primary target market. These units are designed to replace top loading washing machines of all types and "appliance" type front loaders such as Maytag's Neptune and other home use washing machines that have a coin box slapped on them for use in laundromats,multi-family buildings, and so forth.

When you read various laundromat owner's opinions of soft mount machines in general most if they had a choice would go for hard mount machines. This is for various reasons but one suspects that the lack of a pump solves so many issues including suds lock and or the machine not spinning fully and or at all if overwhelmed with froth. Laundrylux goes to great lengths to promote that their machine *will* spin no matter how much froth is in the drum. Cannot comment as to what SQ or other quasi or fully commercial soft mount machines will do in the same situation.

Personally like the Primus FX machines Malcolm pointed to in another thread. But they are another kettle of fish all together.


Post# 626261 , Reply# 19   9/20/2012 at 06:13 (4,207 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

To Combo52:

It seems to me that it doesn't make any sense that these crossover machines are $700 more than SQ machines, yet have inferior specifications..

Less warranty, smaller drum, lower rated lifetime, etc...

Maybe one is just paying for the name...



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