Thread Number: 42690
And Now For Something Completely Different - Miele Twin Tub |
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Post# 628166   9/28/2012 at 19:37 (4,198 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 628171 , Reply# 1   9/28/2012 at 20:07 (4,198 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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First far as one knows Miele sourced these units from AEG who had a similar model as well.
Unlike our Hoover and other twin tub washers this unit fits more under the term "washer-extractor". One set the program for the wash side and the machine washed and rinsed the load accordingly. You then lifted the rinsed but wet laundry over to the spin basket for final extraction. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Launderess's LINK |
Post# 628202 , Reply# 2   9/28/2012 at 22:04 (4,198 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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AFAIK Miele never sourced these units from AEG. The AEG's are different in that the drum is positioned differently. AEG and Miele always had a different set of the wash drum. Therefor AEG's were always a bit wider and less deep.
These machines were very popular in the Netherlands. The built quality was good, they were very easy to fix when they broke down (but they rarely did) and they were much cheaper than a Miele frontloader. BTW, the AEG Turnamat was much more popular than the Miele Combinettes. For a while (IIRC in the seventies) Miele didn't even make a Combinette. In Dutch they are called "wascombinatie" en in German "Waschbuffet". CLICK HERE TO GO TO foraloysius's LINK |
Post# 628221 , Reply# 3   9/29/2012 at 00:12 (4,198 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 628222 , Reply# 4   9/29/2012 at 00:48 (4,198 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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With the tumble drum TL design-wouldn't think a seperate spin drum would be needed.Interesting machine.Never seen one like this before. |
Post# 628224 , Reply# 5   9/29/2012 at 01:18 (4,198 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 628236 , Reply# 7   9/29/2012 at 02:40 (4,198 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Unless things fit into the standard sizes of post packaged it becomes *VERY* expensive to ship within the EU, outside that zone is even worse. This is probably why so many eBay Germany sellers specify "no shipping" in their listing.
Indeed many sellers outside Germany won't ship to the place either. |
Post# 628239 , Reply# 8   9/29/2012 at 03:01 (4,198 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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There definitely was a point in the past. The AEG Turnamat was introduced in the late fifties or early sixties. Frontloaders didn't spin that fast yet, AEG had models that spun at 520rpm iirc and Miele models didn't spin around the same rpm. The AEG Turnamat spinner achieved 2800rpm, just like a separate spin dryer. Frontloaders didn't spin much or not at all between rinses back then. This means both frontloaders and these twintubs had to use a lot of water to get the laundry rinsed well. So the choice was between a frontloader with a rather anemic spin or these twintubs with a good spin. Most frontloaders were paired up with a separate spin dryer so in the end with a frontloader you needed to do an extra spin as well to get the same amount of water out of the laundry.
There is another difference that made these twintubs more attractive. Frontloaders for that time were complicated machines. They had door boots, suspension etc. The twintubs didn't have that. Because the main drum wasn't used for spinning, suspension was not necessary. If you open these machines, you can see how simple they are. Repairs are also simple, as far as they needed repair. These machines appeared to be very reliable, many of them were used for 30 years without a repair. As for the confusion, I don't think many EU collectors will confuse the Miele's and the AEG's because they are so totally different. It must be some people who don't know much about these twintubs. BTW, these machines were also sold without the spinner attached. It were compact models (they were lower too), for people with little space. They they were combined with a separate spin dryer. I have a few of those. As a matter of fact there is a thread in the archives about my Constructa. Have a look. CLICK HERE TO GO TO foraloysius's LINK |
Post# 628240 , Reply# 9   9/29/2012 at 03:06 (4,198 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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As for water saving, no they use a lot of water. Five (AEG's and later Miele's) or six (older Miele's) made sure the suds were rinsed out. My Constructa has four rinses, but the first two are a sort of a cool down rinse with pumping, filling, pumping, filling etc. The advantage is that it's fully automatic until the last rinse is done.
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Post# 628250 , Reply# 10   9/29/2012 at 05:48 (4,198 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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I wouldnt have thought Miele scourced any products from AEG - does anyone know different??
These look great machines to use , saw a few at the Siemens headquarters and Museum in Berlin in the 80`s... In the 70`s a friends family moved back from the army in Germany bringing back all their appliances, (kenwood Chef with all 25 boxed attachments, Siemens Spinner & vac and a Siemens single tub with drum BUT MANUAL, just one simple timer and ONE outlet / inlet hose that connected to the tap with a flip ball stopper to drain...it was a wide unit the drum moved side to side and the fascia was full width at the back and timer control was on rhs. Does anyone have any pics of these manual machines, have never been able to find any?? |
Post# 628252 , Reply# 11   9/29/2012 at 05:59 (4,198 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 628255 , Reply# 13   9/29/2012 at 06:14 (4,198 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 628256 , Reply# 14   9/29/2012 at 06:23 (4,198 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 628257 , Reply# 15   9/29/2012 at 06:24 (4,198 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 628258 , Reply# 16   9/29/2012 at 06:25 (4,198 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 628259 , Reply# 17   9/29/2012 at 06:25 (4,198 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 628260 , Reply# 18   9/29/2012 at 06:28 (4,198 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 628263 , Reply# 20   9/29/2012 at 06:57 (4,198 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Thanks Louis, the Siemens looked very much like your constructa, that smaller size, drum left to right, no dispenser just the drum, and the lid lifted off not hinged, a light cream colour, the hose came out of the back..
When it came out of transportation it didnt work, we took the machine in the car without the lid and I watched them take the drum out (fascinating) to a friend who was a car engineer, he fixed it all it was the belt had snapped... I couldnt understand at the time why his mum only used a tiny amount of water in the bottom of the drum....having been used to twinnies I wanted to see it filled....obviously I know now that wouldnt have worked!! |
Post# 628264 , Reply# 21   9/29/2012 at 07:20 (4,197 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 628265 , Reply# 22   9/29/2012 at 07:23 (4,197 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 628267 , Reply# 23   9/29/2012 at 07:26 (4,197 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 628268 , Reply# 24   9/29/2012 at 07:28 (4,197 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 628269 , Reply# 25   9/29/2012 at 07:36 (4,197 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Spin dryers/extractors do not always leave wash loads dryer than with a front loader with speeds at or >900rpms.
Extraction of water from textiles is not merely done by high rpms, but the diameter of the tub factors into the G-Forces which produce better results. This is why all things being equal larger H-Axis or even "V" Axis tubs will give excellent extraction even whilst spinning at <1200 rpms. Case in point: one day a few weeks ago after doing wash in the Miele didn't have time nor the inclination to separate the load out and place into the spin drier; so just reset the Miele for a short "fast spin". This cycle is a shortened spin used mainly after the "Wool" cycle and runs for about 2-3 minutes. Upon taking the load out of the machine it was just as dry if not drier than if it had gone into the spin dryer. Items dried just as fast if not a bit faster as well in the tumble dryer. |
Post# 628271 , Reply# 26   9/29/2012 at 07:44 (4,197 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Actually the spin speed is a bigger factor than the drum size. Here is a G-force calculator. It's a metric system, you will have to fill in the radius (half the diameter) in millimeters.
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Post# 628280 , Reply# 27   9/29/2012 at 09:10 (4,197 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Hi Louis , its the 60`s model, I`m sure it didnt have a handle on the front, the Siemens dryer they had was a new model, very much like todays spinners, they had it all in line under a worktop with a new Hoover D6042 tumble dryer purchased here, and on the worktop was the Kenwood Chef A701 light blue, and shelves above with everyone one of the made attachments all stored in their boxes!!
Spinning @ 1500rpm on a wide drum automatic wouldnt necessarily get it much dryer on a 4+ minute final spin, it may not feel dryer out of a spinner but might take 10mins or so off drying times when using a tumble dryer. |
Post# 628285 , Reply# 28   9/29/2012 at 09:41 (4,197 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 628292 , Reply# 29   9/29/2012 at 09:56 (4,197 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Post# 628381 , Reply# 30   9/29/2012 at 21:01 (4,197 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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But should we be using the eBay seller's pictures without consent?
Group threads are archived and will appear in a "Google" search, so anyone may assume the pictures found that way are fair game to use as they see fit. Am just saying because every now and then a member comes in wailing how someone "stole" and or is otherwise using pictures posted of their appliances. |
Post# 628459 , Reply# 31   9/30/2012 at 03:20 (4,197 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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These twintubs were taken a step further by Constructa. They brought one on the market that was also a tumble dryer. After washing in the big drum and spinning in the small drum, the laundry could be put back into the big drum, which would function then as a dryer. The picture is from 1966.
Translation of the text in the picture: From my laundryroom to the drying attic it's not more than 11 centimeters. |
Post# 628595 , Reply# 32   9/30/2012 at 16:59 (4,196 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Looks like the original person who wanted it got in and won despite heavy sniping/last minute bidding activity.
Maybe one day a similar unit or just a "top loader" will turn up on North American shores. Am that excited about collecting "vintage" laundry appliances as the next collector but dealing with German shipping is O-W-T, out. |
Post# 628656 , Reply# 33   9/30/2012 at 22:15 (4,196 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 628657 , Reply# 34   9/30/2012 at 22:16 (4,196 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 628658 , Reply# 35   9/30/2012 at 22:17 (4,196 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 628659 , Reply# 36   9/30/2012 at 22:19 (4,196 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 628661 , Reply# 37   9/30/2012 at 22:22 (4,196 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 628665 , Reply# 38   9/30/2012 at 22:29 (4,196 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)   |   | |
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Here are the controls. I managed to get a new control panel cover from Miele. This photo still shows the worn one. The top dial is for 1/2 load or full load and switches the machine on. The middle dial is for the temperature and the lower dial for the programmes. This machine did 5 deep rinses and used up to 200 litres (44 gallons) for a full wash cycle.
FYI: This machine was built in the Miele Bürmoos plant in Austria |
Post# 628710 , Reply# 42   10/1/2012 at 08:16 (4,195 days old) by thelaundrylab (Hampshire UK)   |   | |
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Post# 628788 , Reply# 43   10/1/2012 at 15:44 (4,195 days old) by turnamat (Germany)   |   | |
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The main problem of the Miele Twin Tub comparing to AEG Turnamat or Zanker Intimat Twin Tubs was that You could not load the washer drum with the next load while the first one was spinning.There was only 1 lid that has to be closed for the spin cycle so you could not reach the washer drum!Another problem was that you had to be careful with filling the detergent drawers!Powder used to take place next to the spinner cylinder getting into contact with the rinsed laundry!For people that had one of these Miele Twinnys these were the main problems!They were made by good quality and not built as wide as the other "german twintubs"!But they never reached the same popularity than AEG or Zanker did for years!.
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Post# 629205 , Reply# 44   10/3/2012 at 14:01 (4,193 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 629206 , Reply# 45   10/3/2012 at 14:03 (4,193 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 631749 , Reply# 46   10/15/2012 at 04:16 (4,182 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Thats some classic find over with you In Australia Rod, Have you had it working yet??, The lid looks great with the polished chrome and the door lock is very sturdy.
Best of all options with an automatic drum washer and a fast spinning dryer!! Louis , any internal pics of the tumble dryer version constructa??, how did that work, did it use the heating element only or did it have a blower condenser?? Very interesting machines!! |
Post# 631802 , Reply# 47   10/15/2012 at 10:26 (4,181 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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It had escaped my attention that Rod's machine is a Dutch or Flemish one. The language on the control panel is Dutch.
Mike, I'm sorry, I don't know anything about how these machines worked. I remember that Olav from Australia knew of the existence of one. I have never seen one in person. It would be a dream come true to have one or at least play with one. |