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Post# 628166   9/28/2012 at 19:37 (4,198 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Oh how one can dream! *LOL*



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Post# 628171 , Reply# 1   9/28/2012 at 20:07 (4,198 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
In Case Anyone Was Wondering

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First far as one knows Miele sourced these units from AEG who had a similar model as well.

Unlike our Hoover and other twin tub washers this unit fits more under the term "washer-extractor". One set the program for the wash side and the machine washed and rinsed the load accordingly. You then lifted the rinsed but wet laundry over to the spin basket for final extraction.



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Post# 628202 , Reply# 2   9/28/2012 at 22:04 (4,198 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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AFAIK Miele never sourced these units from AEG. The AEG's are different in that the drum is positioned differently. AEG and Miele always had a different set of the wash drum. Therefor AEG's were always a bit wider and less deep.

These machines were very popular in the Netherlands. The built quality was good, they were very easy to fix when they broke down (but they rarely did) and they were much cheaper than a Miele frontloader.

BTW, the AEG Turnamat was much more popular than the Miele Combinettes. For a while (IIRC in the seventies) Miele didn't even make a Combinette.

In Dutch they are called "wascombinatie" en in German "Waschbuffet".


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Post# 628221 , Reply# 3   9/29/2012 at 00:12 (4,198 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Thanks for clearing that up

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Seems to be some confusion about these Miele combinette units in the EU washer collector community. Some swear (very loudly) that AEG produced them, others (equally loudly) not.

That AEG unit in your link is interesting. Imagine a tub you can literally lift out. Who knew?


Post# 628222 , Reply# 4   9/29/2012 at 00:48 (4,198 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

With the tumble drum TL design-wouldn't think a seperate spin drum would be needed.Interesting machine.Never seen one like this before.

Post# 628224 , Reply# 5   9/29/2012 at 01:18 (4,198 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Aside From The "Cool" Factor

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Don't see the point of the machine either.

I mean unlike Hoover and simiar TTs this machine completes full cycles, so there isn't a water savings of keeping that hot or boiling wash water to reuse. My German isn't that great but reading the programming that seems to be how the machine works.


Post# 628225 , Reply# 6   9/29/2012 at 01:19 (4,198 days old) by fido ()        
Google translate

can be quite entertaining at times:

"For sale here is a top loader washing machine Miele. The device was an old lady who died last year at the age of 84.

The machine was only used a few times and now shines on the distance of the dust as new again. A trial run went smoothly, it heats properly and being quiet. It can be seen only very minor wear and absolutely no rust!

This model is on wheels and it is therefore easy to move.

Of course I would prefer to pick up a delivery is also possible. You only actual shipping cost calculation, but please give me a week's time to the right packaging material (Pallet & upholstery) feared."


Post# 628236 , Reply# 7   9/29/2012 at 02:40 (4,198 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Germany Is *NOT* The Best Country For Shipping

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Unless things fit into the standard sizes of post packaged it becomes *VERY* expensive to ship within the EU, outside that zone is even worse. This is probably why so many eBay Germany sellers specify "no shipping" in their listing.

Indeed many sellers outside Germany won't ship to the place either.


Post# 628239 , Reply# 8   9/29/2012 at 03:01 (4,198 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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There definitely was a point in the past. The AEG Turnamat was introduced in the late fifties or early sixties. Frontloaders didn't spin that fast yet, AEG had models that spun at 520rpm iirc and Miele models didn't spin around the same rpm. The AEG Turnamat spinner achieved 2800rpm, just like a separate spin dryer. Frontloaders didn't spin much or not at all between rinses back then. This means both frontloaders and these twintubs had to use a lot of water to get the laundry rinsed well. So the choice was between a frontloader with a rather anemic spin or these twintubs with a good spin. Most frontloaders were paired up with a separate spin dryer so in the end with a frontloader you needed to do an extra spin as well to get the same amount of water out of the laundry.

There is another difference that made these twintubs more attractive. Frontloaders for that time were complicated machines. They had door boots, suspension etc. The twintubs didn't have that. Because the main drum wasn't used for spinning, suspension was not necessary. If you open these machines, you can see how simple they are. Repairs are also simple, as far as they needed repair. These machines appeared to be very reliable, many of them were used for 30 years without a repair.

As for the confusion, I don't think many EU collectors will confuse the Miele's and the AEG's because they are so totally different. It must be some people who don't know much about these twintubs.

BTW, these machines were also sold without the spinner attached. It were compact models (they were lower too), for people with little space. They they were combined with a separate spin dryer. I have a few of those. As a matter of fact there is a thread in the archives about my Constructa. Have a look.


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Post# 628240 , Reply# 9   9/29/2012 at 03:06 (4,198 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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As for water saving, no they use a lot of water. Five (AEG's and later Miele's) or six (older Miele's) made sure the suds were rinsed out. My Constructa has four rinses, but the first two are a sort of a cool down rinse with pumping, filling, pumping, filling etc. The advantage is that it's fully automatic until the last rinse is done.



Post# 628250 , Reply# 10   9/29/2012 at 05:48 (4,198 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Fun Machines..

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I wouldnt have thought Miele scourced any products from AEG - does anyone know different??

These look great machines to use , saw a few at the Siemens headquarters and Museum in Berlin in the 80`s...

In the 70`s a friends family moved back from the army in Germany bringing back all their appliances, (kenwood Chef with all 25 boxed attachments, Siemens Spinner & vac and a Siemens single tub with drum BUT MANUAL, just one simple timer and ONE outlet / inlet hose that connected to the tap with a flip ball stopper to drain...it was a wide unit the drum moved side to side and the fascia was full width at the back and timer control was on rhs.

Does anyone have any pics of these manual machines, have never been able to find any??


Post# 628252 , Reply# 11   9/29/2012 at 05:59 (4,198 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Interesting machines

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now I appreciate my Spin Drier better.

boy that AEG has a noisy set of bearings in the back! and sounds like the motor too could use new bearings.



Post# 628254 , Reply# 12   9/29/2012 at 06:11 (4,198 days old) by fido ()        

I can also see the point and I keep being tempted by spin dryers I see at our local Sunday car boot type market. The trouble is, they don't mark the price on anything and as soon as they realise I'm a foreigner, the price goes up! I will be having a Hungarian staying with me at the end of October so I will get her to negotiate prices when she's here. My Servis claims to spin at 1500 rpm but the stuff would be a lot dryer if put through a topload dedicated spinner.

Post# 628255 , Reply# 13   9/29/2012 at 06:14 (4,198 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        
Mike

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Did it look like this one? It's the Siemens WTE1 from 1958. It doesn't have a single hose for both filling and draining, but this comes the closest to what you describe.

Post# 628256 , Reply# 14   9/29/2012 at 06:23 (4,198 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Here's an ad from the fifties.

Post# 628257 , Reply# 15   9/29/2012 at 06:24 (4,198 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Just after I found the ad, I discovered I had some detailed pictures too of such a machine.


Post# 628258 , Reply# 16   9/29/2012 at 06:25 (4,198 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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#2

Post# 628259 , Reply# 17   9/29/2012 at 06:25 (4,198 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Post# 628260 , Reply# 18   9/29/2012 at 06:28 (4,198 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        
Jon

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I don't think there is anything wrong with the bearings or the motor. These machines were just noisy. In the video the back has been taken off, so it makes it even worse. Also these are big boxes of metal only half filled.

Post# 628261 , Reply# 19   9/29/2012 at 06:32 (4,198 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Now I get it-since little or no suspension on the wash drum-makes sense not to use it for spinning-therefore the seperate spinner tub.And for German parts-for one of our transmitters built in Germany in the 1980's it is a pain--EXPENSIVE-and their parts are not like USA ones-not the same stadards.AEG S4005 SW transmitter,250/500Kw.

Post# 628263 , Reply# 20   9/29/2012 at 06:57 (4,198 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Size

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Thanks Louis, the Siemens looked very much like your constructa, that smaller size, drum left to right, no dispenser just the drum, and the lid lifted off not hinged, a light cream colour, the hose came out of the back..

When it came out of transportation it didnt work, we took the machine in the car without the lid and I watched them take the drum out (fascinating) to a friend who was a car engineer, he fixed it all it was the belt had snapped...

I couldnt understand at the time why his mum only used a tiny amount of water in the bottom of the drum....having been used to twinnies I wanted to see it filled....obviously I know now that wouldnt have worked!!


Post# 628264 , Reply# 21   9/29/2012 at 07:20 (4,197 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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I'm afraid I don't have pictures of all the models. This is a model from 1965.

Post# 628265 , Reply# 22   9/29/2012 at 07:23 (4,197 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Here is a picture from 1960. The above one is a fully automatic one, this one is not automatic.

Post# 628267 , Reply# 23   9/29/2012 at 07:26 (4,197 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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To make the series complete, this is a model from the seventies. This one is much like my Constructa, with the three dials and the fabric softener switch.



Post# 628268 , Reply# 24   9/29/2012 at 07:28 (4,197 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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And the last model was a white on white one.

Post# 628269 , Reply# 25   9/29/2012 at 07:36 (4,197 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
@Fido

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Spin dryers/extractors do not always leave wash loads dryer than with a front loader with speeds at or >900rpms.

Extraction of water from textiles is not merely done by high rpms, but the diameter of the tub factors into the G-Forces which produce better results. This is why all things being equal larger H-Axis or even "V" Axis tubs will give excellent extraction even whilst spinning at <1200 rpms.

Case in point: one day a few weeks ago after doing wash in the Miele didn't have time nor the inclination to separate the load out and place into the spin drier; so just reset the Miele for a short "fast spin". This cycle is a shortened spin used mainly after the "Wool" cycle and runs for about 2-3 minutes.

Upon taking the load out of the machine it was just as dry if not drier than if it had gone into the spin dryer. Items dried just as fast if not a bit faster as well in the tumble dryer.


Post# 628271 , Reply# 26   9/29/2012 at 07:44 (4,197 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Actually the spin speed is a bigger factor than the drum size. Here is a G-force calculator. It's a metric system, you will have to fill in the radius (half the diameter) in millimeters.

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Post# 628280 , Reply# 27   9/29/2012 at 09:10 (4,197 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
The 60`s

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Hi Louis , its the 60`s model, I`m sure it didnt have a handle on the front, the Siemens dryer they had was a new model, very much like todays spinners, they had it all in line under a worktop with a new Hoover D6042 tumble dryer purchased here, and on the worktop was the Kenwood Chef A701 light blue, and shelves above with everyone one of the made attachments all stored in their boxes!!

Spinning @ 1500rpm on a wide drum automatic wouldnt necessarily get it much dryer on a 4+ minute final spin, it may not feel dryer out of a spinner but might take 10mins or so off drying times when using a tumble dryer.





Post# 628285 , Reply# 28   9/29/2012 at 09:41 (4,197 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        
Mike

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I'm glad I could help you out. So they had a later model of the Siemens Vollwascher. Unfortunately I don't have any information about the model number or so. But if I ever come across more information I will think of you.

Post# 628292 , Reply# 29   9/29/2012 at 09:56 (4,197 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        
Miele twin tub - for the archives

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Cool!


Post# 628381 , Reply# 30   9/29/2012 at 21:01 (4,197 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Not Trying To Start Anything

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But should we be using the eBay seller's pictures without consent?

Group threads are archived and will appear in a "Google" search, so anyone may assume the pictures found that way are fair game to use as they see fit.

Am just saying because every now and then a member comes in wailing how someone "stole" and or is otherwise using pictures posted of their appliances.


Post# 628459 , Reply# 31   9/30/2012 at 03:20 (4,197 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        
Wait, there is more!

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These twintubs were taken a step further by Constructa. They brought one on the market that was also a tumble dryer. After washing in the big drum and spinning in the small drum, the laundry could be put back into the big drum, which would function then as a dryer. The picture is from 1966.

Translation of the text in the picture: From my laundryroom to the drying attic it's not more than 11 centimeters.


Post# 628595 , Reply# 32   9/30/2012 at 16:59 (4,196 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
*Sold*

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Looks like the original person who wanted it got in and won despite heavy sniping/last minute bidding activity.


Maybe one day a similar unit or just a "top loader" will turn up on North American shores.

Am that excited about collecting "vintage" laundry appliances as the next collector but dealing with German shipping is O-W-T, out.


Post# 628656 , Reply# 33   9/30/2012 at 22:15 (4,196 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)        
My W 477

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Hi Laundress,

I have one of these machines. Bought it off a guy who brought it out from the Netherlands


Post# 628657 , Reply# 34   9/30/2012 at 22:16 (4,196 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)        
wash drum

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4 kg

Post# 628658 , Reply# 35   9/30/2012 at 22:17 (4,196 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)        
wash drum

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removed

Post# 628659 , Reply# 36   9/30/2012 at 22:19 (4,196 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)        
suds container

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with 3000 watt heater

Post# 628661 , Reply# 37   9/30/2012 at 22:22 (4,196 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)        
Spin dryer and detergent dispenser

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2800 rpm. Detergent dispenser for main wash powder on left, fabric conditioner on right

Post# 628665 , Reply# 38   9/30/2012 at 22:29 (4,196 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)        
Controls

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Here are the controls. I managed to get a new control panel cover from Miele. This photo still shows the worn one. The top dial is for 1/2 load or full load and switches the machine on. The middle dial is for the temperature and the lower dial for the programmes. This machine did 5 deep rinses and used up to 200 litres (44 gallons) for a full wash cycle.

FYI: This machine was built in the Miele Bürmoos plant in Austria


Post# 628674 , Reply# 39   9/30/2012 at 23:24 (4,196 days old) by MikeKLondon (London)        
Main Point

One main point of these machines was that they vibrated a lot less than a FL and could therefore be use in an apartment building with wooden flooring, I lived in a very old house in the 70s if you used a FL on the 1st floor it would shake the walls.

Post# 628684 , Reply# 40   10/1/2012 at 01:33 (4,196 days old) by MikeKLondon (London)        
Spin Speed

The water removed by a spin dryer may not look like a lot, but it makes drying times much shorter + shirts bedding ect do not need any further drying, most things being ready for ironing. My Miele washer spins at 1600 but using a spinner cuts my drying costs down by a lot given the cost of power in the UK. + it stops a lot of wear on the washer by using the spinner for the hand washing and bulky items that a washer can't spin well like the dog beds ect

Post# 628685 , Reply# 41   10/1/2012 at 02:16 (4,196 days old) by fido ()        

Yes, spin dryers are very handy items. My mother had a small Morphy Richards spinner that I kept going for her for many years, even when the lid broke in half I patched it with a sheet of aluminium. I could have done with that last winter before I got my heating system completed. One load of washing took 2 weeks to dry inside on the clothes horse (it didn't go above freezing outside so there was no point hanging it out). My Servis M6500W is supposed to have a 1500 rpm spin but the clothes are no dryer than you would get them in an old small drum Hotpoint 1000 spin.

Post# 628710 , Reply# 42   10/1/2012 at 08:16 (4,195 days old) by thelaundrylab (Hampshire UK)        
Miele Twin Tub...

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My favourite twin tub of all times - these are incredibly beautiful machine's.

Hass.


Post# 628788 , Reply# 43   10/1/2012 at 15:44 (4,195 days old) by turnamat (Germany)        

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The main problem of the Miele Twin Tub comparing to AEG Turnamat or Zanker Intimat Twin Tubs was that You could not load the washer drum with the next load while the first one was spinning.There was only 1 lid that has to be closed for the spin cycle so you could not reach the washer drum!Another problem was that you had to be careful with filling the detergent drawers!Powder used to take place next to the spinner cylinder getting into contact with the rinsed laundry!For people that had one of these Miele Twinnys these were the main problems!They were made by good quality and not built as wide as the other "german twintubs"!But they never reached the same popularity than AEG or Zanker did for years!.

Post# 629205 , Reply# 44   10/3/2012 at 14:01 (4,193 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Before this Miele model there was another one. It had a single dial and a rapid advance timer behind a little window. Here is a Miele ad with both the twintub and the single tub. These were automatics too.

Post# 629206 , Reply# 45   10/3/2012 at 14:03 (4,193 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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I found a close up of the control panel of the 401 too. The 401 is the single tub.



Post# 631749 , Reply# 46   10/15/2012 at 04:16 (4,182 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Miele

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Thats some classic find over with you In Australia Rod, Have you had it working yet??, The lid looks great with the polished chrome and the door lock is very sturdy.

Best of all options with an automatic drum washer and a fast spinning dryer!!

Louis , any internal pics of the tumble dryer version constructa??, how did that work, did it use the heating element only or did it have a blower condenser??

Very interesting machines!!


Post# 631802 , Reply# 47   10/15/2012 at 10:26 (4,181 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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It had escaped my attention that Rod's machine is a Dutch or Flemish one. The language on the control panel is Dutch.

Mike,

I'm sorry, I don't know anything about how these machines worked. I remember that Olav from Australia knew of the existence of one. I have never seen one in person. It would be a dream come true to have one or at least play with one.



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