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Thread Number: 42973
Miele T8966WP Heat Pump dryer or Bosch WTP86560? |
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| Post# 632478 , Reply# 1 10/18/2012 at 01:48 (4,207 days old) by MikeKlondon (London) | ||
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Check out the running cost 1st I looked at a Miele heat pump dryer and looking at the savings in running cost here in the UK it would have to last longer than the average 25 years for a Miele machine to pay for its self, I cant comment on Bosch as I'm not a big fan | ||
| Post# 632494 , Reply# 3 10/18/2012 at 03:03 (4,207 days old) by chris74 () | ||
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The BOSCH Ecologixx 7... ...I own is not that well. Had some problems with the lint filter system and now the sensors aren't working so one load takes over 4h to be done. By the way, it is non-reversing which results in heavy tangling when drying bedcloths... | ||
| Post# 632777 , Reply# 4 10/19/2012 at 01:58 (4,206 days old) by MikeKlondon (London) | ||
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Running cost HI Yes even with the very high cost of power in the UK there is very little saving by using a heat pump dryer give the outlay to buy it. | ||
Post# 632790 , Reply# 6 10/19/2012 at 04:27 (4,206 days old) by logixx  (Germany) |
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Hi niania!
I see you have found my link from the Laundry Room Forum! :-)
Well, Chris74 seems to one of those who have an earlier version of the Bosch dryers. These had problems with the selfCleaning Condenser clogging with lint. Bosch has done several revisions of the system (stronger pump, an extra filter, a seal around the filter etc.) and one should hope they have worked it all out. I have to agree with Chris on the tangling: I have a regular Bosch dryer and it also knots sheets into a ball. If I put in a large load of sheets it's not a problem but then you'll get wrinkles like crazy - my experience. The Miele dryer changes direction as the drum turns so that should eliminate the problem altogether. I went for the Bosh because, like you, the Miele was a little bit too much money for what it is. Otherwise, the Bosch does an excellent job drying. The first couple of videos are my Bosch/Siemens dryer. CLICK HERE TO GO TO logixx's LINK | ||
| Post# 632801 , Reply# 7 10/19/2012 at 07:14 (4,206 days old) by chris74 () | ||
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Yeah Just bought it when it was a novelty from the fair. The repairman inserted a second filter but we own four cats so there is always an issue with their hair. The sensors may easily be cleaned as BOSCH stated in an eMail. | ||
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Post# 632895 , Reply# 10 10/19/2012 at 19:05 (4,205 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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The drum in all those dryer you have listed is the same size: all Bosch/Siemens dryers have a drum of 112 liters and the Miele ones are 111 liters - practically no difference. The larger the capacity, the longer the initial time displayed. For example: a six kilo dryer will display 90 minutes on Cupboard Dry and a seven kilo dryer will say 100 minutes.
A heat-pump dryer will save you about 50% in electricity. The more expensive the dryer, the longer it will take before you actually start saving money. A dryer that'll cost you 500GBP to buy plus 500GBP to operate over ten years will cost you 1,000GBP after ten years. Now, if you go for an expensive models that'll cost you 1,000GBP to purchase and only 250GBP to run over the course of ten years... that's still more money than the cheap dryer. Bottom line is that you'd better get a dryer that last so you can recoup the higher initial costs. About performance: well, with my Siemens (or Bosch) dryer, I can dry one set of covers*) with no problem but that would be too time and energy consuming. Two sets - no chance. I loaded them at random and even folded but everything still came out damp and knotted up. Three and more set will do fine but I get wrinkles like crazy. Cotton is worse than poly-something and microfibre sheets actually dry wonderfully. One time, I even line-dried my sheets and put them in the dryer for a little softening -> the dryer put wrinkles into my previously wrinkle-free sheets. *d'uh* BUT all other loads actually do fine. It's only sheets that the dryer hates. Best avoid drying just bedding in one load. I have a big washer, as you can see in my profile pic, so I collect all the bedding and wash it in one load, thus not mixing them with other items. Alex *) duvet cover is 135 x 200 cm and pillow cover is 80 x 80 cm | ||
| Post# 633194 , Reply# 11 10/21/2012 at 07:20 (4,204 days old) by niania () | ||
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Hi Logixx, Thanks for taking the time for a detailed response. Appreciate it! So there is no difference in capacity of a 7kg dryer and an 8kg one? | ||
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Post# 633211 , Reply# 12 10/21/2012 at 09:07 (4,204 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Yes, usually dryer manufacturers only have one drum size for the entire line-up. Drum sizes, in Europe, range from about 100 to 120 liter - from what I remember. 20 liters of drum volume are appropriate to dry one kilo of clothes. That means Bosch/Siemens and Miele dryers have a true laundry capacity of 5.5 kilos (approx. 110 liter drum volume devided by 20 liters per kilo = 5.5 kg capacity). Higher capacity is, firstly, a marketing strategy and secondly... Well, it's mostly marketing. Yes, some condenser dryers have larger water reservoirs to hold the larger amount of water removed from a big load... but essentially there is little if any difference between a small or large capacity dryer.
If you are looking for sheer drum volume, Whirlpool makes one of the largest drums at 121 liters, which translates into a true six kilo drum. But the quality of Whirlpool dryers over here is so-so from what I read online. Alex | ||
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Post# 633330 , Reply# 13 10/21/2012 at 20:09 (4,203 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Automatic Clothes Drying | ||
| Post# 633372 , Reply# 14 10/22/2012 at 02:42 (4,203 days old) by chris74 () | ||
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It is because... ...only few people have a gas access. | ||
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Post# 633400 , Reply# 16 10/22/2012 at 07:26 (4,203 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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@ combo | ||
| Post# 633426 , Reply# 17 10/22/2012 at 09:22 (4,203 days old) by chris74 () | ||
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Just do not overload The clothes should tumble more or less free... And possibly do not use fabric softeners and/or dryer sheets. I think Míele is a good choice. | ||
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Post# 633450 , Reply# 18 10/22/2012 at 12:58 (4,202 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 633470 , Reply# 19 10/22/2012 at 16:11 (4,202 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Max. capacity | ||
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Post# 633499 , Reply# 20 10/22/2012 at 18:53 (4,202 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Gas Dryer In Bathrooms ? | ||
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Post# 633516 , Reply# 22 10/22/2012 at 19:27 (4,202 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia) |
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John, you've got to remember that outside the US, dryers arent always vented. They're usually condensor or in Australia just vent into the room. That wouldnt work well with Gas. | ||
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Post# 633521 , Reply# 23 10/22/2012 at 19:39 (4,202 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Most European homes, I suppose, have a dryer in the kitchen, bathroom or basement. Gas connections in the basement or the bathroom are... rare. On top of that, a gas dryer needs venting - again, this is something many homes here don't have. I think it's easier in the US where central A/C ducts are already running through the walls. So why not add another pipe for the dryer? Simple. But the situation is just different here.
Heat-pump dryers are the best solution for our market. | ||
| Post# 633550 , Reply# 24 10/22/2012 at 21:29 (4,202 days old) by Iowegian () | ||
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Sure, conditions are different in the US than they are elsewhere. But there is a trend here toward building tight energy-efficient homes that don't breathe at all. How do you folks deal with all that moisture from a dryer without venting it to the outside? | ||
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Post# 633575 , Reply# 25 10/22/2012 at 22:26 (4,202 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Condenser dryers hardly release any moisture.
Not sure about venting to the indoors as suggested above but I think a lot of these Australian dryers (those that just vent into the room) are smaller units. The type that you can hang on the wall above your washer. Nothing like a 7+ cubic feet US dryer. | ||
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Post# 633579 , Reply# 26 10/22/2012 at 22:33 (4,202 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia) |
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Because our climate is so mild, you just turn on an exhaust fam, or crack open a window or door. The Wall mounted dryers go up to 6-7kg of capacity, however they are much smaller than a Euro dryer of the same rated size.. The real capacity of most is about 5kg. | ||
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Post# 633603 , Reply# 27 10/23/2012 at 01:11 (4,202 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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John
It's forbidden to place on demand gas water heaters (geisers as we call them) in bathrooms here, even when vented. In the past way too many accidents happened with them. As a matter of fact a friend of my parents found his daughter unconscious in the bathroom when she took a bath in their bathroom with water heater. She barely survived. Bathrooms are too small for large gas appliances, the oxygen is used up way too fast.
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| Post# 633630 , Reply# 28 10/23/2012 at 05:31 (4,202 days old) by chris74 () | ||
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I had a "geiser" in my bathroom... ...back in mid 1990ies but I wouldn't have felt safe with a dryer connected to it. | ||
| Post# 633928 , Reply# 33 10/24/2012 at 10:20 (4,200 days old) by chris74 () | ||
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Gas use in the EU I think the greater part is used in the industry, not in common households. Don't think the continental wheather of Europe is any milder than the US', we just use other sources to heat/cool our flats... | ||
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Post# 633986 , Reply# 35 10/24/2012 at 14:41 (4,200 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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