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Post# 635227 10/29/2012 at 22:53 (4,193 days old) by shankstr (St. Louis, Missouri)
Checkrate/Likes Hi everyone! I'm new to the site but wanted to share my first wringer washer with those who appreciate them. My neighbors (in there 70's & 80's)think I'm crazy. They said they couldn't give theirs up fast enough when the automatics came out. My wife is OK with it but doesn't have the enthusiasm I have. So any, I picked up a Maytag E2L from CL for $60. SN# L121999V (does anyone knows the manufacture date?) from a man who got it from an old lady. This guy was a retired machinist that has a 4000 sqft. building FULL of old things. A self proclaimed hoarder! So we plugged her in and she ran like a champ. Everything worked and sounded great. After chatting a while, he shows me a model 30 electric covered up in the corner which he might part with for $125. I skipped it for now as I wasn't sure about parts availability. I get the "Ol' Gal" home, fill her up, plug her in and wash a few towels to try her out and what does she do???? Belches thick, nasty, brown oil all over my garage floor!! Thanks to the threads here I knew what it was...yep... the shaft seal was toast and water was in the tranny pushing the oil out. I ordered new parts from Phil to include not only gaskets and seals but also a new centerplate as the shaft had some side to side play in it. Planning on cleaning and replacing all lube in the tranny and horizontal PTO too. While waiting for parts, I'm sanding all the nicks and scratches to paint with the suggested Rustoleum Appliance paint. She's gonna shine up beautifully!!

Post# 635231 , Reply# 1 10/29/2012 at 23:24 (4,193 days old) by stan (Napa CA)
Checkrate/Likes *Hi Steve* And welcome to the forum. I think based on the S# thats she's a Nov 1959! and should have a black agitator (if still original) I'm guessing that you've read Larrys thread "Moving a Maytag E2L" If you haven't, you should. Everything that your about to do is there, and with detailed photos! And would suggest you use his trick for painting around the lettering on the machine, as the raised lettering is difficult to remove without breaking. Also your machine (from what I see) is a gravity drain model, but we learned, from Larry, that there is a precut hole on the cross frame for a pump to be added, witch make these old girls a lot easier to use if you have a sink, or stand pipe to drain to! Let us know if you need a service manual Stan P.S I have the same machine, but mine is a 54

Post# 635232 , Reply# 2 10/29/2012 at 23:27 (4,193 days old) by e2l-arry (LAKEWOOD COLORADO)
Checkrate/Likes *HHHmmmmmm,* It look and sounds vaguely familiar. I can't decode serial numbers but Maytag used the chrome letters on the front from 1960 to 1965 or 1966. I think that was the last used before the change to the more modern Maytag emblem/decal used when they switched to the turquoise agitator and release bar. That gunk out the vent is caused by water in the tranny. I made the mistake of assuming the water was getting in through a bad seal between the center plate and power unit. And I suppose it can. But when you take it apart you'll see there are only 2 ways for water to get in. It's either through a bad seal/gasket between the two, or one of the 2 long bolts that fasten the center plate, tub and power unit together or the 2 shorter bolts that just connect the center plate to the power unit. Anyway, water would have to get in through the perimeter of the unit, OR it's entering directly through the agitator shaft into the power unit. Either a bad center plate or a bad agitator seal. Took me a while to figure that out. I'd suspected a leak between the plate and power unit especially that screw. Get rid of that. Get the plug from Phil. So anyway, now I'm convinced my troubles were caused by a faulty center plate all along. I'll have my proof soon enough. Good Luck! Larrry

Post# 635283 , Reply# 3 10/30/2012 at 08:11 (4,193 days old) by e2l-arry (LAKEWOOD COLORADO)
Checkrate/Likes *Never mind the plug* From what I've seen of the replacement Center Plates, on Ebay anyway, they don't even have the hole for the screw. They wised up and just eliminated it on later models.

Post# 635293 , Reply# 4 10/30/2012 at 09:18 (4,193 days old) by wringer (x)
Checkrate/Likes *This is* great. Another thread on saving a Maytag Wringer. You will certainly learn a volume from Larry's experience in his thread. My best to you !! We will all be anxiously awaiting your reports back to us. What a beauty she is. Jim

Post# 635304 , Reply# 5 10/30/2012 at 09:48 (4,193 days old) by shankstr (St. Louis, Missouri)
Checkrate/Likes *Well crap* I came out to the garage to give the old gal a light sanding / deglossing for paint prep while I wait for parts and the drain hose broke at the bend under her. I guess age and 40 degree weather caught up to it. It's better to find out now I suppose rather than with a tub full of water! So it's decision time. Do I convert her to a pump model? I like the idea of a pump but really didn't want to put in the $$ for it. Any idea what they cost w/ hardware and hoses? STAN - are you sure about the date?? Larry believes the raised Maytag letter didn't start until 1960. Also, you / Larry are correct. My cross support DO have the pre-cut holes for a pump. Yes, it does have the black agitator and a bonus one..see the pic below!! LARRY - Thanks again for all your posts. I read through them all and will try not to repeat your learning curves :) My tub is in good shape.. so I don't expect problems there. Steve

Post# 635310 , Reply# 6 10/30/2012 at 10:09 (4,193 days old) by shankstr (St. Louis, Missouri)
Checkrate/Likes *prep continues* Sanding the scraps and nicks for the Rustoleum appliance epoxy. I used my Craftsman mouse palm sander w/ 120 grit. It makes short work of this but wear a mask.

Post# 635314 , Reply# 7 10/30/2012 at 10:20 (4,193 days old) by wringer (x)
Checkrate/Likes *OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH* What I wouldn't give to have an agitator like that !!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are so very, very rare. I am happy you have one with the lint filter. I will just go to the corner and pout LOL. Jim

Post# 635367 , Reply# 8 10/30/2012 at 16:51 (4,192 days old) by qsd-dan (West)
Checkrate/Likes *What I wouldn't give to have an agitator like that !!!!* X2! This is one of my ultimate dream machines, wringer style. An E2LP with chromed raised letters, lint filter agitator, and pump. Even better if it's pink, so I can put park it in between my pink 142/641c set.

Post# 635371 , Reply# 9 10/30/2012 at 17:17 (4,192 days old) by e2l-arry (LAKEWOOD COLORADO)
Checkrate/Likes *That's good timing Steve* If you're going to convert to a pump model you'd need a new drain hose anyway. Phil sells reconditioned pumps for $45.00 The tub to pump for $12.95?? or there abouts and I got a set of hardware, everything I needed from Dave for another $20. Then the new "pump to goose neck drain" hose. I think Phil charges $21.50. BUT! you can get this hose cut to length at Ace Hardware and it would probably be closer to 6 dollars. Then I bought a goose neck there for another $2.50. So it could run you a little under 80 bucks. A couple of cheap clamps and you're in business! I was willing to use the gravity drain but it is messy and everyone here was so Gung Ho on the pump. Once I got one, I could see what all the fuss was about. I'd do that again in a minute! My favorite part of the machine now. Love the pump! So do you have 2 agitators? This extremely rare aluminum filter + a standard black one? That would be too cool! I'd take the black one off you hands to help defray the cost of the pump. You saw what happened to mine. The turquoise one works just fine but I like to keep things stock. Aren't those mouse sanders GREAT! That helped me sooooooo much. I'm glad I bought that AND the pump. Are you going to prime first?

Post# 635373 , Reply# 10 10/30/2012 at 17:26 (4,192 days old) by e2l-arry (LAKEWOOD COLORADO)
Checkrate/Likes *Another thing* Steve, in that first picture. The one with the oil change pan collecting the dark brown/black gunk with a paper towel, a sight I know well, is that tape on the power cord? Because it cheap and easy to replace those while you at it. I was glad I put a new grounded cord on. It was a mess at the motor connection. Something I would not have been aware of otherwise. Larry

Post# 635453 , Reply# 11 10/31/2012 at 07:34 (4,192 days old) by shankstr (St. Louis, Missouri)
Checkrate/Likes *Jim & Dan* I'm glad you like my lint filter agitator. Call it beginners luck because I had no idea when I bought the machine how rare these are. I did try it out on a couple loads before I started renovation and it works great! LARRY - Thanks for the pump info. The O'l Gal came with standard black agitator and the lint one. At this time I want to keep both, but it didn't hurt to ask. Yes, I plan on priming before painting and possibly replacing the electric cord. I really like the original cord with the the Maytag name on it. There's liquid electrical tape in colors so I might try mixing the black and white ones to try and match the cord. There's only a small cut in the outer casing. Steve

Post# 635531 , Reply# 12 10/31/2012 at 18:29 (4,191 days old) by stan (Napa CA)
Checkrate/Likes *Hi Steve* As best as I can tell decoding the S#, she's a Nov 1959! The letters in the S# represent the month, and year of manufacturing. You could email Mark (kenmore71) and double check, or if you wait he might stop by here.

Post# 635550 , Reply# 13 10/31/2012 at 20:21 (4,191 days old) by e2l-arry (LAKEWOOD COLORADO)
Checkrate/Likes *1959* Is probably right. I don't know exactly when they switched to the chrome M A Y T A G lettering. I thought it was "about" 1960. To me, November 1959 is "about" 1960 ish. Close enough anyway. We certainly know she's old enough to get into a bar!

Post# 635562 , Reply# 14 10/31/2012 at 22:06 (4,191 days old) by geoffdelp (SAUK RAPIDS)
Checkrate/Likes Steve ... You're getting great advice here! Your serial number does show it was made in November 1959. Also, the lint filter agitator was made available as an accessory on all the Maytag models (E, J, N) around November 1958; just a year earlier. I have a lint filter agitator and I find it fairly effective on all the models. I'm not sure when they stopped producing them; I'll have to keep researching the "Let's Talk Service" notes; I believe I ran across it in one of those at one point. I will have also have to research but I believe the chrome letters were first produced in early 1959; March/April ... around there ... and were discontinued when Maytag switched to the turquoise accents in January 1966. Larry just went through a "re-do" on his machine and he speaks with the voice of experience!!! :-) Enjoy your machine; they are just wonderful to own and operate. A real power horse with style and beauty to boot!!

Post# 635791 , Reply# 15 11/1/2012 at 19:38 (4,190 days old) by e2l-arry (LAKEWOOD COLORADO)
Checkrate/Likes *Prepping and priming* One thing I realized after the fact was that when I was doing the prep and painting was that it would have made sense to take the tub out first. It has to come out anyway so why mask around it? Or risk paint sticking to tape or the tub itself? Most of my best painting was with an empty skirt. I even took it outside one day to do some overdubbing with the spray paint. There's your unsolicited tip of the week!

Post# 635807 , Reply# 16 11/1/2012 at 20:38 (4,190 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)
Checkrate/Likes *The Apple of our eye* Steve, you could not have landed more dramatically on the shores of Aworg than with that highly coveted Holy Grail of Maytag agitators. Like our friends, I would give anything to have that Black Beauty. Startling is that Dan with all his Maytag connections and expertise, lists it as a dream agitator. Would have bet the farm he had one; and since he doesn't, the chances are indeed grim. Nevertheless, I'm going out on a limb: If there is another one out there, I would pay small fortune to have it. Geoff, I knew you had one. What do you think the chances are of us finding another? If not in use, would you consider renting it out for a season? Sniffin' glue here, LOL Good luck on your restoration, Steve. Put Larry on speed dial, and bug him round the clock.

Post# 635843 , Reply# 17 11/2/2012 at 00:08 (4,190 days old) by qsd-dan (West)
Checkrate/Likes Startling is that Dan with all his Maytag connections and expertise, lists it as a dream agitator. Would have bet the farm he had one; and since he doesn't, the chances are indeed grim. Yeah, but I haven't given up looking yet :>) Part of the fun of owning vintage machines. I bug Phil every once in a while, just in case he has stumbled upon one. No luck yet. I did find an E2LP wringer near me a couple years back with the lint filter agitator, but the agitator had a chunk missing out of it. Oh well.

Post# 636028 , Reply# 18 11/2/2012 at 21:15 (4,189 days old) by electronicontrl (Grand Rapids, MI)
Checkrate/Likes *E2L* Congrats!! My E2LPS in avocado is much fun for me.

Post# 636030 , Reply# 19 11/2/2012 at 21:29 (4,189 days old) by geoffdelp (SAUK RAPIDS)
Checkrate/Likes *Notes on Chrome Letters and Agitator* I found some service notes that will help with the dates for the chrome letters and lint filter agitator. The first mention of the chrome letters on the Model E's in the "Let's Talk Service" bulletins is April 1959. The chrome agitator pull was also put in place at the same time. Maytag offered replacement letters to the dealers for .20 each and the chrome agitator pull was .45 each. I haven't found the notes that say exactly when the letters were put into production. In the same vein, the first mention of the lint filter agitator was an ad on the back of the November 1958 "Let's Talk Service" saying this agitator was "The Year's Hottest Feature". Again, it doesn't state exactly when it was put into production. The next mention of this agitator was in December 1966 saying they had discontinued the lint filter piece and replaced it with another lint filter (no picture). The new lint filter was slightly higher than the old one and would not allow the lids on the J's and N's to fit tightly on the tub. Bet that PO'd a lot of women!! :-) The last mention I can find in my bulletins is in November 1967 where they replaced the lint filter that didn't fit right with a new polypropylene one. The picture is black and white but it looks like a turquoise version of the original and it says that it can be used in all 3 models ... E, J, N. It also offered the same agitator; bakelite. Bet Maytag was trying to use up the stock of bakelite agitators because I can't find any mention of a poly replacement agitator. Don't know how rare these agitators are but they must not have been as popular as the standard "gyratator" version. The standard Maytag agitator was superb; but the lint filter agitator is just as superb and offers pretty good lint removal. The agitator that Steve has is GORGEOUS!! Mine is still in really good condition and I have used petroleum jelly on it in between washes to help preserve it and shine it up. You just put a film of petroleum jelly on with paper towels and then just wipe/shine it with another paper towel. The petroleum jelly is water soluble and does not stain clothing. Hope that helps and by all means, keep looking for these agitators; they've got to be out there somewhere!! :-) Mickey ... maybe I could make big bucks by renting out my agitator??? LOL!!

Post# 636032 , Reply# 20 11/2/2012 at 21:31 (4,189 days old) by geoffdelp (SAUK RAPIDS)
Checkrate/Likes Nice machine, Michael!! The avocado color looks like it is in fine shape!!

Post# 636037 , Reply# 21 11/2/2012 at 21:38 (4,189 days old) by shankstr (St. Louis, Missouri)
Checkrate/Likes *Work Continues* Well, I got my parts from Phil. New centerplate, gaskets, rubber plug (for screw hole), new SS hex bolts to replace gulmite bolts and the all important Gulmite wrench so I could progress further in my endeavor. I removed the tub, PU and horizontal PTO and wringer post. Removed the center plate from the PU and low and behold...look at all that Bosco!! Thick, nasty stuff it is!! It makes you wonder how anything could run with that stuff inside. It was a all day adventure cleaning everything but got them all cleaned up. That was yesterday. Today I spent most of the day cleaning, sanding, de-greasing the skirt. I didn't bother removing the cross braces, just didn't see the need. I primed the inside / outside of the skirt also using Rustoleum white primer. It turned out well but you have to be careful with that primer..it's thin stuff and will run if you over do it. I have a couple spots i'll have to re-sand when it's dry. The inside looks good enough for me...clean and white. Larry painted the inside of his but I'm thinking to keep it primer only. Nor did I use Larry's trick of using petroleum jelly to mask the raised lettering. I'm sure it works well but just couldn't fathom getting greasy again so I did it the old fashion way with painter tape and a Exacto knife. A tip to share. I used ziplock bags to keep me organized by putting the bolts from each dis-connect in it's own labeled bag. It keeps me from losing them and I know where they go. LARRY- What was the final verdict on what type of lube & grease you used? I know you bought something online but I think you ended up using something else. GEOFF- Thanks for stopping in and the info on the agitator and manufacture date. Apparently, she's older than I :) only by 7 yrs. I like older ladies as long as they work for me :) Gosh, I hope she doesn't "feel" used when she's done! Dan & Mickeyd - Thanks for your commentary. Your post made me smile and feel lucky to have had such a great find...now only if my lotto numbers would hit!!!

Post# 636104 , Reply# 22 11/3/2012 at 09:13 (4,189 days old) by wringer (x)
Checkrate/Likes *I have* a story to make everyone who wants a lint filter agitator cry. When I became acquainted with the Amish men who restore these ladies I ask them about them. THEY THROW THEM AWAY ALONG WITH ALL OF THE PUMPS !!!!!!! It seems that Amish do not like the filter nor the pump. They have thrown a great number away over the years they have been doing this. Naturally since I have known them they have not had a filter one come in. I was sick when they told me this. IF I ever find any from them I will let you all know and see that you get one that hopefully will become available sometime. I want one of these so bad. Thanks for the info on them Geoff !! I had no idea there were 2 different lengths of them. All I know is I WANT ONE !! Sick isn't it ?? Jim

Post# 636123 , Reply# 23 11/3/2012 at 10:31 (4,189 days old) by shankstr (St. Louis, Missouri)
Checkrate/Likes *Jim* "One mans trash is another mans treasure." Tell them to stop throwing parts away and give them to you to fund your hobby!

Post# 636163 , Reply# 24 11/3/2012 at 15:17 (4,188 days old) by qsd-dan (West)
Checkrate/Likes *THEY THROW THEM AWAY ALONG WITH ALL OF THE PUMPS !!!* I think you found your new source of income. Put me down for at least one!

Post# 636175 , Reply# 25 11/3/2012 at 16:28 (4,188 days old) by wringer (x)
Checkrate/Likes *They* have promised me every one that comes in now. Lets just hope some come in in their units to be rebuilt. Pumps too !! Jim

Post# 636179 , Reply# 26 11/3/2012 at 16:49 (4,188 days old) by e2l-arry (LAKEWOOD COLORADO)
Checkrate/Likes *Synthetic Grease,* Is what Phil told me to use. Synthetic grease was no doubt not around when these were built but Phil said that's what he'd use. So I just went to Ace Hardware and bought a 1 pound container of Super Lube Synthetic grease. The label reads that it will work in almost any application, Multi-Purpose, Heavy Duty, Compatible, and so on. I packed mine with about 4 oz. so 1/4 pound. That's all that would seem to fit without over packing. So far, that's worked just fine. I think it cost something around $10.00. I also used it to coat the wringer shaft before I put it back in. And will probably use it for that every couple of months. I could also probably use it on the agitator shaft but I'll just stick with the Vaseline for that.

Post# 636192 , Reply# 27 11/3/2012 at 17:58 (4,188 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)
Checkrate/Likes *THEY THROW THEM AWAY ALONG WITH ALL OF THE PUMPS !!!!!!!* It's so ironic that such a holy, holy people like the Amish are committing sacrilege. What is this world coming to? AUUURRRRGGGGG ${#emotions_dlg.Washer-4}$

Post# 636248 , Reply# 28 11/3/2012 at 23:23 (4,188 days old) by shankstr (St. Louis, Missouri)
Checkrate/Likes *I'm tired* Spent the last couple hours polishing the crown of the tub with Mothers aluminum mag polish. WHAT A JOB THAT IS!!! I'm using a drill w/ a buffer but still takes FOREVER and only half way through. The polished area shines like chrome... beautiful!

Post# 636255 , Reply# 29 11/4/2012 at 00:04 (4,188 days old) by stan (Napa CA)
Checkrate/Likes *Steve* where are the pics!! We want to see!! What kind of oil did you use in the P.U?

Post# 636370 , Reply# 30 11/4/2012 at 09:05 (4,188 days old) by e2l-arry (LAKEWOOD COLORADO)
Checkrate/Likes *That tub/crown IS A JOB AND 1/2!* I've done it twice! It killed me to throw that first tub away after I'd spent hours getting it all pretty! But the Mother's works great. Can you tell that when you get the corrosion off you feel less resistance when rubbing? That tells you you're ready to move to a new section. One thing I haven't tried yet is the Brill-o pads with Oxy Clean that Geoff recommends. I tried wet sanding but thought I get even better results using SOS pads. But whatever you use, I don't think you can get these new looking without a LOT of elbow grease and HARD WORK. But they sure do shine up nicely when you're done. As for the Amish throwing away pumps and filter agitators, all I can say is For Shame! But at least they don't go door to door like some other groups that shall remain nameless. I had a group here last Saturday I couldn't get rid of. I turned the hose on them. Then I set the dogs on them. Next I shot one of them in the leg. They finally got the hint they weren't welcome and left!

Post# 636378 , Reply# 31 11/4/2012 at 09:33 (4,188 days old) by wringer (x)
Checkrate/Likes *Larry,* The Amish around here are very nice people but do have some bad ideas including discarding of parts others want/need. We have the other groups here also but I get them gone quick by telling them I am a registered sex offender LOL. Not really, I just slam the door closed in their faces. Jim

Post# 636388 , Reply# 32 11/4/2012 at 09:53 (4,188 days old) by e2l-arry (LAKEWOOD COLORADO)
Checkrate/Likes *Slamming the door may work,* But nothing says "GET LOST" like a bullet in the leg.

Post# 636411 , Reply# 33 11/4/2012 at 11:35 (4,188 days old) by wringer (x)
Checkrate/Likes *You are right* now where did I put my gun ??????????????????? LOL

Post# 636463 , Reply# 34 11/4/2012 at 12:48 (4,187 days old) by stan (Napa CA)
Checkrate/Likes *Jim* Is there a reason the Amish throw these parts away? Is it because the pumps make it easier for the women to do laundry? What's the deal

Post# 636844 , Reply# 35 11/5/2012 at 18:52 (4,186 days old) by shankstr (St. Louis, Missouri)
Checkrate/Likes *Progress is being made* Finished up polishing the tub crown with Mothers aluminum / mag polish. I do not recommend trying to do this by have unless you wish to finish 2 birthdays later. I used my drill and buffing pads and it was still SLOW work. For the inside tub I only used SOS pads. I still have a little more work to do there. Tub skirt is all primed. Just waiting a for a day where the temperature is above 50 to put the Rustoeum spray appliance epoxy on. Maybe tomorrow?? Waiting for Phil to get back to me on pump parts. Per Larry's thread, I know he has the pumps but I will still need all the other hardware too. Phil said it would be a least a week before he could let me know. I hope he's looking for the linkage and hardware for me!?

Post# 636845 , Reply# 36 11/5/2012 at 18:54 (4,186 days old) by shankstr (St. Louis, Missouri)
Checkrate/Likes *OOOH AHHH* Look at that shine! I can see myself!!

Post# 636846 , Reply# 37 11/5/2012 at 18:57 (4,186 days old) by shankstr (St. Louis, Missouri)
Checkrate/Likes *All primed* and waiting for my dress coat..

Post# 636861 , Reply# 38 11/5/2012 at 19:41 (4,186 days old) by e2l-arry (LAKEWOOD COLORADO)
Checkrate/Likes *Looking Good!* I wished I'd have thought to use white primer. I had a couple of spots that took 3 coats to cover the grey completely. The tub came out GREAT! It's just a lot of hard work. I think I spent 4 or 5 hours on the last one I did a few weeks ago. I know Phil sells the pumps. He still has them on EBay. I got the hardware from Dave. I think he charged me $20.00. If Phil doesn't have the hardware, you can give Dave a try. What's your plan for the leg extensions and casters? Larry

Post# 636877 , Reply# 39 11/5/2012 at 20:09 (4,186 days old) by stan (Napa CA)
Checkrate/Likes *Steve* That crown looks amazing! Good job! Since you have it out of the machine, and looking that good, have you thought about spraying the crown with clear lacquer? (if I had mine to do over, I would) I'm sure you've read about how quickly the crown dulls. The tub also reacts badly to powdered laundry detergents ( that contain washing soda) The tub doesn't like chlorine bleach either! (just a heads up) I'd hate to hear that you decided to do a load of whites with powdered detergent and bleach, and when you were done, the tub was darkened and dull, and needed to be re polished!!

Post# 636949 , Reply# 40 11/6/2012 at 07:20 (4,186 days old) by wringer (x)
Checkrate/Likes *The mirror* finish you have put on that apron is amazing !!!!! I wish I had the energy to do that. You are following in Larry's footsteps in your work. Thanks again Larry for cutting a path in the road for all who are tackling this job. Best, Jim

Post# 638020 , Reply# 41 11/10/2012 at 09:25 (4,182 days old) by shankstr (St. Louis, Missouri)
Checkrate/Likes *Thanks* Jim glad you like the crown. It,s not hard to do..just take forever...I probably have 5 hours into the crown polishing alone. You can do it! STAN thanks for the tid bit on the detergents. I will probably not put any lacquer on it. Lacquer has a tendency to yellow a bit plus makes it that much harder to polish out should the lacquer chip or fail in some way...and it will. I'm kind of going crazy as I'm still waiting on parts / emails from the suppliers. It seems they are both bogged down at the moment so I'm on a holding pattern. One of things I'm waiting on is a drain hose as mine broke. The thing i I dislike on the replacments from Phil is the lack of threads to attach a garden hose or gooseneck. I removed the old head off the hose and am trying to figure a way to reattach it to a new hose that can be purchased at the hardware store. The challenge is the outside diameter of the new hose is less than the old which doesn't allow the head to make a snug fit. One thought is to use electric tape around the hose end to build up, minimizing the gap, apply some sort of adhesive like gorilla glue that expands creating a seal, and install 2 small SS set screws just long enough to go through the nozzle and into the hose. Any better ideas are welcomed. If anyone has an extra original drain hose for sale that's better yet. Steve

Post# 638026 , Reply# 42 11/10/2012 at 09:50 (4,182 days old) by wringer (x)
Checkrate/Likes *Steve,* You can still get hoses with the threaded ends. I thought Phil had them. Maybe it was Dave who did. The Amish make their own when needed but I don't know how they attach the end to the hose. I do know that the hose they use to replace is the same diameter as the originals. Mine all have original hoses on with threads. I have to have threaded ends because I drain mine with a short cut off garden hose to the pantry drain where the water heater is. I will talk with Myron when I go down next week about this or his father. I will be bringing back a new bottom roll for my friend who found me my new N and a Bakelite agitator for Larry. The black Bakelite agitators they have are very variegated in color. Gray and white. Myron polishes them with rubbing compound but it is a bit of a job. He also puts new splines in them with his removal/installation tool. The bad thing about Bakelite agitators is that they break when you try to remove the old splines sometimes. I was lucky with mine as they did not break. More as it develops. Jim

Post# 638061 , Reply# 43 11/10/2012 at 13:36 (4,181 days old) by e2l-arry (LAKEWOOD COLORADO)
Checkrate/Likes *It depends* On which hose you order from Phil. I ordered the gravity drain hose so I got one without the threads. If you specify that you have a pump model, the hose will have the threaded end on it. The hose lengths for pump and gravity drain are different too. The gravity drain has to be longer. OR! you can just measure the inner and outer diameter of the hose you need and buy it by the foot at the hardware store. It's a LOT cheaper. Then when I converted my hose for the pump, I removed the end and bought a goose neck a Ace for something like $2.00. Attach it with a clamp and fashion some sort of a hook and you're all set. When I was changing my "store bought" drain hose, I removed the white metal and cap. It was only glued on. I think Geoff said the original hoses from Maytag were connected with some sort of metal or brass fittings in the hose. These after market ones are not. I just took a screw driver, worked it around the hose and pried off the end. Nice to have options!

Post# 639838 , Reply# 44 11/17/2012 at 21:59 (4,174 days old) by shankstr (St. Louis, Missouri)
Checkrate/Likes *pump parts* arrived but I am having to repaint the skirt for a 3rd time so I am not ready to put it all together yet. I tried the rustoleum appliance spray and it worked great on the wringer, cap and post but the skirt is not to my liking so I am going to try the roller method Stan suggested. I hope it works cause I'm getting tired waiting a week between painting applications... Steve

Post# 639864 , Reply# 45 11/18/2012 at 01:55 (4,174 days old) by stan (Napa CA)
Checkrate/Likes *Steve* Your going to have to wait for sure if you use the method I suggested! As the oil based paints take three days to dry and cure between coats! Patience is required with this method. LOL

Post# 639911 , Reply# 46 11/18/2012 at 08:41 (4,174 days old) by wringer (x)
Checkrate/Likes *Stan,* I read this thread daily and just realized you ask me a question I had not answered. I have no idea why the Amish throw away the filter agibitators and pumps. I guess it is because they do not believe in anything modern or that makes their lives similar in any fashion to us English. They are very conservative with some things and then they go the other way on others. I do enjoy going down to talk with them and watch Myron do his magic. I will be going down Wed to pick up a new bottom roll for my friend Chris in NY who found my new N for me. I am always amazed by the amount of the old gals they have stacked up. There is one section that has them stacked 3 high. They use boards on the tops of the lower ones to set the upper ones on. They store the wringers on the boards beneath the units so it is all level. They are worried about running out of stock to restore !!!!!! They do have scouts out looking for more for them but they come in very slowly. It is great therapy to go down and watch/talk to them. So, this is why I think they throw parts away. I hope I receive lots of filter agibitators but won't hold my breath LOL. Jim PS: The word agibitators came from my friend Chris. He has a sense of humor that is strictly off the cuff. We were talking one day about which one goes in which model and he jokingly used it. We both use it all the time now and laugh. Well, we think it is funny LOL.

Post# 639942 , Reply# 47 11/18/2012 at 10:31 (4,174 days old) by e2l-arry (LAKEWOOD COLORADO)
Checkrate/Likes *These Amish Maytags,* Are they gas engines or do the allow generators for some electric applications? But if they're allowed generators, they could just as easily power up an Automatic. I figure they must have a line they do not cross. Yes to a washing machine but no to anything deemed too modern. Thus No pumps or lint filters! I wonder how they set that line up? What's the cut off? I don't think I'do to well. About as primitive as I go is a gas stove where you have to light the oven with a match. My first 2 apartments had stoves like that! Larry

Post# 639952 , Reply# 48 11/18/2012 at 11:27 (4,174 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
Checkrate/Likes I could not find Lint Filter Agitator or drain pump in my concordance so their reasons for discarding them do not have a Biblical foundation. If the men had to do the laundry for large families, automatics would be a sacrament.

Post# 639959 , Reply# 49 11/18/2012 at 12:05 (4,173 days old) by wringer (x)
Checkrate/Likes *To me* the only reason I know of them not wanting pumps or lint filters is because it is NEW and not old style. Most of them have wash rooms and I presume that they have floor drains. Maybe they use buckets which would make it much more work. As for the motors, they sell them w/o motors and put on what is wanted by the customer. They have electric and air. All of their tools in the shop are pneumatic not electric. I don't fully understand how the air works but will find out Wed. They put which ever motor on that is wanted when they sell them. They also strip Maytag auto's of nothing more than a spin mechanism to remove water that wringers leave. These units have the display panel removed with a new one made with only a wall light switch to turn them on or off. These also come with electric or air motors. They have only one gas hit and miss that they restored for display. I guess lots of them have gas powered generators. I will write more after my trip with answers. I find them very interesting people and very kind and clean. They have no problem talking about their ways. The children are sooooooooooooo interesting. They don't learn to speak English until they go to school. There always seems to be one of the grandson's working with Grandpa Mose and Uncle Myron when I go. They are very close families. Just a bit different. Well, maybe more than a bit LOL. Jim

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