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Before having a go at Rolls_rapide... I just wanted to congratulate with the author of this brilliant video!

I have't used a BSH dishwasher myself, but I remember my friend's enthusiasm for one of these some time ago, however, they are not exempt from breakdowns!

Now, Rolls_rapide, your comment was rather discriminating and of limited horizons... I tend to agree with you when it comes to Indesit 'et al' and partly when you mentioned Zanussi... but I'm not ready to throw myself in such a trap of generalization as there might be 'rational explanations' to account for certain differences in the quality of these products. All these brands include a wide range of budget models which are generally more popular then their higher-end models... that perhaps explains the reason why you don't often find a comparable quality to some of the BSH machines (obviously you haven't seen their bottom of the range).

Beyond that, I have had personal expierence with these brands myself, including the infamous Candy/Hoover. I just replaced my old Candy dishwasher (still fully functional) which I can't absolutely describe as flimsy after nearly 10 years of reliable continuous service! Besides, it never had any breakdowns (although a couple of years ago I replaced the suppressor for �10, cos' I found a bit of plastic next to it... but this didn't hinder the operation of the machine). To top it all off, it felt like the Candy was build like a tank (although it wasn't) in comparison to my previous Indesit or to the 'Zanussi-like'(another Electrolux brand) dishwasher I use at my parent's place.

I had my new Hoover dishwasher delivered last week and I love it to bits... I was meant to return it after finding that my initial suspicion with the Candy was a false alarm (long story... I thought it was going to give up on me) but once I explored all its features and options I couldn't let it go... so now the Candy has to go. It's build quality is also rather good... much comparable to my old Candy's... some things are even identical (like the triple-filter and a few other bits)... just the door feels a bit lighter, perhaps because of its concave surface designed to accomodate the extra place settings (15 instead of the conventional 12).

Anyway, enough ranting from me...


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Post# 635906 11/2/2012 at 12:09 (4,190 days old) by logixx (Germany)
Checkrate/Likes Unless I didn't search hard enough, this should be the first video of one of the newer BSH dishwashers running with an open door. Alex CLICK HERE TO GO TO logixx's LINK

Post# 635907 , Reply# 1 11/2/2012 at 12:11 (4,190 days old) by logixx (Germany)
Checkrate/Likes And another one using cheap Aldi detergent on a dirty load. CLICK HERE TO GO TO logixx's LINK

Post# 635983 , Reply# 2 11/2/2012 at 18:31 (4,190 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)
Checkrate/Likes 1 *New Bosch Dishwasher* They should call it drip-clean no wounder they take so long, and look how little it holds.

Post# 636085 , Reply# 3 11/3/2012 at 07:05 (4,190 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill Home of the RailwayTrials Merseyside,UK)
Checkrate/Likes 2 *As Opposed To.....* What....a water hogging, energy guzzling, noisy, pocelain chipping box which one cant wash ones Crystaal, Periwinkles and China in..... Nahhh, I`ll takes my chances ta!!

Post# 636091 , Reply# 4 11/3/2012 at 07:46 (4,190 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
Checkrate/Likes *Thank you!* Congratulations on your new dishwasher. That is some excellent cleaning, but at 2:48 and with poor drying performance, I don't think I'd be lining up to buy one. I hope my machines outlive me. Is it connected to hot water? I do like the fact that it gives adequate rinsing, unlike so many US machines. Is the final rinse heated to the same temp as the main wash? Where did you get the alien's space helmet that's in the rear corner of the the top rack? Thanks again for the video and the translations. You are a real asset to the club.

Post# 636146 , Reply# 5 11/3/2012 at 13:25 (4,189 days old) by logixx (Germany)
Checkrate/Likes Thanks Mike and Tom for your thoughtful input. :-) Well, drying is much better now that I'm not trying to save a few pennies by using a cheap rinse aid. Finish rinse aid does a much job than the store brand I tried. Am still figuring out the lowest possible dosage stetting, though. It's on cold water since it uses cold water for the condensation-dry cycle. Each fill is preheated internally, though through the heat exchanger (last thing you see in the linked video). The final rinse temp is either 149F or 156F depending on the cycle (or 163F with sani rinse on). That yellow 'better-than-nothing' strainer I got from my mother when I moved out. CLICK HERE TO GO TO logixx's LINK

Post# 636164 , Reply# 6 11/3/2012 at 15:20 (4,189 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)
Checkrate/Likes 1 I don't think John knows what a heat exchanger is. At least he hasn't responded to my message in the other thread about it. Great dishwasher! Yes, 2.48 hours is quite a long time for a dishwasher cycle, but all dishwashers, on both sides of the pond seem to take that long. This one has an option to speed things up with the Vario Speed option, which uses a bit more water but makes the cycle faster.

Post# 636206 , Reply# 7 11/3/2012 at 19:26 (4,189 days old) by logixx (Germany)
Checkrate/Likes 2:48 was the initial estimate including the Extra Drying (which didn't do much with cheap rinse aid on the lowest dosage setting...). I think for this particular cycle, the time was reduced by 16 minutes due to the soil level. The DW can take more time off, if it senses lighter soiling. There's also a One Hour Cycle to wash & dry a daily load of pots, plates and everything.

Post# 636211 , Reply# 8 11/3/2012 at 19:39 (4,189 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)
Checkrate/Likes *Hi Alex.* Interesting the way each wash level operates seperatly. Oh, again Thanks for resending me the Service Manuel.

Post# 636268 , Reply# 10 11/4/2012 at 01:52 (4,189 days old) by dj-gabriele ()
Checkrate/Likes *Excellent video! :)* I had quite some fun watching it. Rolls_rapide: then get a properly made Italian, a SMEG! They'll outlast most of the crap around ;) and clean like little tornadoes! Plus they come with 5 years warranty as a standard now.

Post# 636283 , Reply# 12 11/4/2012 at 04:12 (4,189 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy)
Checkrate/Likes *Nearly forgot...* I shot the last maintenance cycle in the Candy before putting it away and a quick cycle in my replacement dishwasher... if you care to watch it, I included a link to it below :-)

Post# 636304 , Reply# 13 11/4/2012 at 07:12 (4,188 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
Checkrate/Likes In the mid 1970s in Atlanta, there appeared a huge appliance dealer by the name of Kennedy and Cohen. The had full page ads with little pictures of many appliances at low prices in the paper. One mysterious thing they had was a DW with a stainless steel tank and funny racks. It was something from Italy. I don't remember the name, maybe a Zanussi, but I am guessing at that. The upper and lower racks had lift out dividers.

Post# 636418 , Reply# 14 11/4/2012 at 11:42 (4,188 days old) by logixx (Germany)
Checkrate/Likes *Thanks for the comments* Will try the Intensive Eco cycle tonight.

Post# 636223 , Reply# 9 11/3/2012 at 20:40 (4,189 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)
Checkrate/Likes *I have to say...* ...that Bosch Siemens and Neff machines are far better built and much more robust than most other rubbish. Bosch Group also make the exploded diagrams and spare parts readily accessible - like Hoover Limited did at one time. The Italian machines in particular really are flimsy throwaways - and I should know - I had a Candy made Hoover, mum has an Indesit made Hotpoint, and there have been three Zanussis and sister had two Aristons.

Post# 636281 , Reply# 11 11/4/2012 at 03:45 (4,189 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy)
Checkrate/Likes *Rolls_rapide don't tar everyone with the same brush!* Before having a go at Rolls_rapide... I just wanted to congratulate with the author of this brilliant video! I have't used a BSH dishwasher myself, but I remember my friend's enthusiasm for one of these some time ago, however, they are not exempt from breakdowns! Now, Rolls_rapide, your comment was rather discriminating and of limited horizons... I tend to agree with you when it comes to Indesit 'et al' and partly when you mentioned Zanussi... but I'm not ready to throw myself in such a trap of generalization as there might be 'rational explanations' to account for certain differences in the quality of these products. All these brands include a wide range of budget models which are generally more popular then their higher-end models... that perhaps explains the reason why you don't often find a comparable quality to some of the BSH machines (obviously you haven't seen their bottom of the range). Beyond that, I have had personal expierence with these brands myself, including the infamous Candy/Hoover. I just replaced my old Candy dishwasher (still fully functional) which I can't absolutely describe as flimsy after nearly 10 years of reliable continuous service! Besides, it never had any breakdowns (although a couple of years ago I replaced the suppressor for �10, cos' I found a bit of plastic next to it... but this didn't hinder the operation of the machine). To top it all off, it felt like the Candy was build like a tank (although it wasn't) in comparison to my previous Indesit or to the 'Zanussi-like'(another Electrolux brand) dishwasher I use at my parent's place. I had my new Hoover dishwasher delivered last week and I love it to bits... I was meant to return it after finding that my initial suspicion with the Candy was a false alarm (long story... I thought it was going to give up on me) but once I explored all its features and options I couldn't let it go... so now the Candy has to go. It's build quality is also rather good... much comparable to my old Candy's... some things are even identical (like the triple-filter and a few other bits)... just the door feels a bit lighter, perhaps because of its concave surface designed to accomodate the extra place settings (15 instead of the conventional 12). Anyway, enough ranting from me...