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Post# 638865   11/13/2012 at 20:22 (4,178 days old) by moparwash (Pittsburgh,PA )   |   | |
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Post# 638866 , Reply# 1   11/13/2012 at 20:23 (4,178 days old) by moparwash (Pittsburgh,PA )   |   | |
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Post# 638877 , Reply# 2   11/13/2012 at 20:28 (4,178 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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YES!!! No, not D@M, Waste King Universal, I think it was made in California, but I might be wrong....Oh John L....I know you know!!! |
Post# 638884 , Reply# 3   11/13/2012 at 20:35 (4,178 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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Post# 638895 , Reply# 4   11/13/2012 at 21:08 (4,178 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))   |   | |
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Post# 638912 , Reply# 5   11/13/2012 at 22:36 (4,178 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)   |   | |
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This is in fact a bona fide Norris Industries Waste King dishwasher. THEY built Thermador SS machines; not the other way around. These were wonderful machines with a major flaw; the stainless tubs weren't as durable as they wanted us to believe. But with proper care and environments; they could and did last a long time. For 10 dollars, I'd grab it!!! |
Post# 638919 , Reply# 6   11/13/2012 at 22:51 (4,178 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 638923 , Reply# 7   11/13/2012 at 23:06 (4,178 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Eddie, have you forgotten the Thundering Thermador that Nate and I revived a few years ago, and that I put up with for a year before handing it off to Nate in favor of my ISE Classic Supreme?
Nate devoted a detailed thread to the Thermador in his "Machines of Ill Repute" series, and the adjective "worst" was used to describe cleaning ability among other shortcomings, such as its silly steam cycles.
This is one machine that I think I can safely say will never darken Nate's door again, and if one did, David wouldn't waste any time in filing for divorce. Perhaps an earlier model WK/Thermador would have a chance, but not this particular design. We have both been scarred for life by the Thundering Thermador which captivated us with its outward beauty, but devastated us with its film-at-11 results.
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Post# 638926 , Reply# 8   11/13/2012 at 23:12 (4,178 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 638930 , Reply# 9   11/13/2012 at 23:18 (4,178 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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I'd pick it up - if there was no evidence of rust-rot. I picked one up a step or two above this model once behind Lowes and noticed the holes in the tub while it was in the van and dropped it off at the Lowes closer to home. It never made it into the garage. D&M is a good comparison though, quality wasn't much more impressive with these pretty machines.
The only one I saw running was a Steam Machine model. It was a beautiful dishwasher and made such cool sounds. The water smashing around and bubbling steam generation in that tank was an audible delight. Ear of the beholder, most people would 'duck and cover' if dishwashers were that loud today. |
Post# 638941 , Reply# 10   11/13/2012 at 23:47 (4,178 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Unfortunately, the 3 households that had Steam Machines from 1976 or 1977, never usede the Steam cycle(s0 when I was arounds. So I never got to eexperience all those sounds. But they cleaned well on medium to medium heavy dish soiled loads of say 22 dinner plates and corresponding glasses and such in the top rack. |
Post# 638943 , Reply# 11   11/13/2012 at 23:56 (4,178 days old) by alr2903 (TN)   |   | |
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Its very nice looking, I would grab it for $10. Pass it on, when/if , the time comes around when you can't live with it. alr |
Post# 638944 , Reply# 12   11/13/2012 at 23:58 (4,178 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))   |   | |
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Post# 638965 , Reply# 13   11/14/2012 at 01:46 (4,178 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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One of my friends had one just like it (in Harvest Gold) when I was a kid. I really liked it and I liked it's sound too, but I don't remember seeing a dishwasher with racks in worse condition! I don't think there was anything wrong with the stainless tub (but that's almost 30 years ago!).
Apparently, the pumps in these dishwashers had some issues too. I really like the timer knob on these dishwashers. |
Post# 638971 , Reply# 14   11/14/2012 at 04:55 (4,178 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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Post# 639007 , Reply# 16   11/14/2012 at 09:14 (4,178 days old) by Volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)   |   | |
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Post# 639017 , Reply# 17   11/14/2012 at 10:39 (4,177 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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This was a totally unique DW design that came from the WK side of Norris Industries, the owner of Thermador Appliances. TD did build their own SS tanked DW in the 1960s-into the early 1970s, The TD DW was a totally different machine and appeared to be a much better designed and built DW. The real TDs had a filter and used very small holes in the wash arms like early MT DWs. At some point in the early 1970s TD quit building their DW and started putting the TD name on the WK machine.
The WK DWs had lots of problems with the main pump and motor, door hinges and door springs, detergent dispensers, and broken wiring in the door hinge area. The performance of these machines was hampered by a crude main pump and a lack of any type of a filtering system, I would rate te overall construction above a D&M DW with its cleaning performance below the D&M. And that is not saying that either DW brand was even good in any major respect. |
Post# 639068 , Reply# 18   11/14/2012 at 15:15 (4,177 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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The metal feed tube that stuck up from the pump assy that always broke off when people misloaded the lower rack then "encouraged" the rack into the dishwasher. My father in law had this design and aside from a couple of rapid advance timer failures was always busting that tube off. Being the kind of person who couldn't throw something away, he repurposed the tubes into paper towel holders both in his house and in his shop...
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Post# 639081 , Reply# 19   11/14/2012 at 16:02 (4,177 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Post# 639102 , Reply# 20   11/14/2012 at 19:22 (4,177 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 639232 , Reply# 21   11/15/2012 at 12:35 (4,176 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)   |   | |
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This machine is a different beast than the Steam Machine. The steamers were great if you ran the steam generator all the time, but if you didn't, then at least on the non-rapid advance machine, you experienced a small delay in washing while the timer trudged through the part where the steam delay would otherwise take place. This cycle of "fill, wash, sit and cool, resume" severely hampered the wash performance.
Having a machine like this minus the steam generator might make up for that. This machine had some pluses, like a cool upper rack where you could remove all the dividers and have a big, flat basket if you wanted, which was great for prep bowls, because you sure as hell were not going to get bowls in the ultra-rigid, curlicue-tined bottom rack, which commanded structured loading. In desperation, Ralph and I used to perch things on other things, just to be able to cheat and get them into the bottom rack at all. (Oftentimes, stuff stacked over the silverware basket.) Another plus was the thin, low-profile top wash arm, which reached all parts of the top rack well. We did have to replace the hinges on ours when we started the restoration, but I believe John pointed out back then that custom cabinet panels with their heft tended to cause bent hinges over time anyway, and ours came with one of those ridiculously heavy cabinetry inserts. These are fun machines if you find one in good condition, and they're handsome too. The Steam Machine we had performed slightly more poorly on the regular cycle than a D&M; if we ran the full steam cycle, considerably better, especially with baked-on stuff. |
Post# 639585 , Reply# 24   11/17/2012 at 00:24 (4,175 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))   |   | |
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Post# 639593 , Reply# 25   11/17/2012 at 02:41 (4,175 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains )   |   | |
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Yea we had a rental years ago that had Wasteking dishwasher's after my Gram bought the place they were always leaking and going through the ceiling under it.Nobody would touch them with a ten foot pole and these Apartments were not cheap to rent.She had to replace all of the dishwasher's with Bosch dishwasher's.. |
Post# 639654 , Reply# 26   11/17/2012 at 11:03 (4,174 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Where do you folks think I learned how to "BobLoad". It originated with our 1968 WK. Stuff over the smaller plates put in the front. Both WKs, one of the flatware baskets was immediately removed. Could put a deep mixing bowl there or a cake pan on that right side or a skillet. For a family of 5 the left side held enough dinner plates and smaller plates. The whole right side of the bottom could be used for all sorts of bulky stuff. Mom had a pasta pot with strainer insert that fit just right on the front right side. More than one large cookie sheet was a challenge--mom bought some smaller ones so all of them would fit in the load lol. Only other "challenge" were Texas-size ice tea glasses--they usually ended up being put in the bottom rack. Roy, regarding the cookware cycle--it was the full cycloe without heated dry. BUT, the 3rd & final rinse had about 6 or 7 minute span on timer dial for allowing initial water heating pause before thermostat turned off timer to assure 155 degrees was reached. On Cookware, that final rinse ran for about 8 minutes. No heat on utensil/cookware cycle (or very little) was very much a late 1950s and 1960s approach. Our 1960 WK, the Pot/Pan cycle ended after the first post rinse. The moveable/removable upper rack dividiers didn't become a feature until this particular series was brouight out in early 1970s. |
Post# 639659 , Reply# 27   11/17/2012 at 11:57 (4,174 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains )   |   | |
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Post# 639660 , Reply# 28   11/17/2012 at 11:58 (4,174 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains )   |   | |
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Post# 639706 , Reply# 29   11/17/2012 at 14:36 (4,174 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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At least from my experience with the THD 3600, I never have enjoyed more thorough drying from any other dishwasher. I almost never had to wipe out cup bottoms upon removal from that machine.
Here's a shot of a finished BobLoad in my Thermador. As Nate mentioned above, the upper arm on these machines is very thin, and as a result the platter seen in the picture was able to clear it. The bottom rack wasn't designed for the weight of a BobLoad and would flex as a result. It would also run off its rails with just an average load. Also notice how the poor design caused the wheels to scrape the door gasket and chew it up.
Once I had conquered the overly restrictive lower rack on that machine, I was beyond ready to move on to something more capable and accommodating and was thrilled to find an ISE Classic Supreme for a mere $25. I quickly 86'd the Thundering Blundering Thermador and never looked back. |
Post# 639726 , Reply# 30   11/17/2012 at 15:16 (4,174 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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