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Thread Number: 44151
How is this possible? 1968 Hotpoint washer |
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| Post# 649005 12/25/2012 at 17:09 (4,133 days old) by tecnopolis (Ocala/Dunnellon, Florida 34481) | ||
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| Post# 649006 , Reply# 1 12/25/2012 at 17:23 (4,133 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Post# 649015 , Reply# 2 12/25/2012 at 18:29 (4,133 days old) by combo52  (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Hotpoint Duo-Load Washer
this was a very unique washer that was a solid tub machine with a lift out mini-basket type smaller top wash tub which was also a solid basket. Both tubs filled seperaturley with different temperatures if disired. To my know algae no one has one of these interesting machines, this washer has been discussed on this foram before so you can probably find it in the archives.
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| Post# 649031 , Reply# 3 12/25/2012 at 21:19 (4,133 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c ) | ||
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Our Local Dealer... Said he remembered this, but never sold one of them, he said they never carried anything that was too different in their store. | ||
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Post# 649104 , Reply# 5 12/26/2012 at 08:32 (4,132 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Here's the short version:
The fill for the upper, mini tub was metered to fill into the mini tub through holes in the lid/cover (what looks like a huge funky filter-pan in the illustration below) up to capacity. Once that water meter closed, one fill solenoid would shut and a separate solenoid would activate for water temperature change and float valves in the lid/cover of the upper mini tub would close from the water level, redirecting the lower tub water through channels in the mini tub/lid assembly, to drop into the lower tub to fill it up to the bottom of the mini tub. Then the whole show would start agitation.
The upper mini tub used a combination of seals and floats to keep its water inside the tub during the fill and wash/rinse periods and to allow the "throw" of its water out through a ring of holes around the circumference at the top of the lid/cover that were aimed at channels put in the balance ring over the main washbasket during spin (those white triangular things pointing upwards in the illustration below). The two separate tub waters would never touch each other until they met in the outer tub for drainage. It was a clever idea and an ultimate bell & whistle. It is one of my holy grails; a "Duo-Grail" if you will. John is right; I posted two big threads all about this with lots of illustrations. You can use the Super Searchalator to find them. You can also see a dandy set of pictures of how it works in the model's cut sheet in the Ephemera collection for 1968 Hotpoint Washers. 
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| Post# 649171 , Reply# 6 12/26/2012 at 18:07 (4,132 days old) by tecnopolis (Ocala/Dunnellon, Florida 34481) | ||
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| Post# 649172 , Reply# 7 12/26/2012 at 18:09 (4,132 days old) by tecnopolis (Ocala/Dunnellon, Florida 34481) | ||
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| Post# 649175 , Reply# 8 12/26/2012 at 18:14 (4,132 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E) | ||
Oh, Puh-leeze! | ||
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Post# 649208 , Reply# 9 12/26/2012 at 20:27 (4,132 days old) by washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i) |
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| Post# 649242 , Reply# 10 12/26/2012 at 21:32 (4,132 days old) by xraytech (Rural southwest Pennsylvania ) | ||
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Post# 649295 , Reply# 11 12/27/2012 at 08:33 (4,131 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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It would be a fun washer to find, but like Sandy said, there's a good reason not many were found. By the late 60's & early 70's the gimmick would have been a difficult sell for those who had been using an automatic washer for a while. They would recognize there was little need for this feature as well as the fact that even a quick glance at a current Consumer's Report magazine would dissuade most buyers from jumping into more gadgets for a relatively low-rated machine.
Still... 
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Post# 649305 , Reply# 12 12/27/2012 at 09:44 (4,131 days old) by paulg (My sweet home... Chicago) |
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| Post# 649310 , Reply# 13 12/27/2012 at 10:42 (4,131 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada) | ||
I really like the look of these Hotpoints. I prefer them to GE washers of the same period. Too bad they weren't as long lasting...
If I had a washer like this, I'd certainly use the small basket for whites. I usually don't wear white clothes but I have too often washed a white T-shirt or dishcloth with other dark items and they weren't white anymore after being washed! I like to overload, mix fabrics and colors! Strangely, I like to pre-rinse my dishes until they look clean before I put them in the dishwasher and I often start the dishwasher it when it's still half-empty! | ||
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Post# 649325 , Reply# 14 12/27/2012 at 11:37 (4,131 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Quality control was weak on Taylor Avenue.
Chicago Hotpoints were, to my knowledge, never high-rated machines nor were they built well. Time and time again I've read reports and opinions that in the Fifites and early Sixties GE let Hotpoint operate somewhat autonomously to develop innovations and take design risks that GE could later trash or choose to incorporate under their own label. When bean-counters rose to power and started to slash and burn, Hotpoint just wasn't profitable enough for the cut. That's show-biz.
One of their persistent gizmos, the "sediment ejector" seems to have been there Achilles Heel. Probably the reason that they are so rare; most were replaced early on so they are deep in the land fills. It was interesting to note from what pictures we have of Aberdeen, although I wasn't there in person, you don't see many Solid Tub Hotpoints sticking out from that pile. They were probably down near the Iridium layer. What they were was imaginative, interesting and featured good industrial design if not engineering. For folks like us, who are all about bells, whistles and oddities, they are interesting collectibles. I've used a couple of these machines and they do not distinguish themselves as cleaners or as extractors. I've always said that these would have made perfect washing machines for Ladies and Grannies with lots of lightly-soiled delicates to launder. My Mother's Mother would have kept a Hotpoint running for decades. In that context, the Duo-Load would have been appropriate for lots of customers. But even I have to admit, that although the Duo-Load might have appealed to some gear-head husbands, most housewives would have been put off by its complexity. I'll be a very happy camper when I find another one. 
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| Post# 649334 , Reply# 15 12/27/2012 at 13:06 (4,131 days old) by tecnopolis (Ocala/Dunnellon, Florida 34481) | ||
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| Post# 649338 , Reply# 16 12/27/2012 at 13:29 (4,131 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
Styling... | ||
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Post# 649372 , Reply# 17 12/27/2012 at 16:44 (4,131 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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| Post# 649858 , Reply# 19 12/30/2012 at 01:23 (4,129 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD) | ||
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clutch one bad feature of these washers is tranny oil leaks will foul the clutch pads-the stamped metal tranny pulley is formed into a drum on it's upper side in which the 3 friction pads operate,any oil spilled onto pulley will go straight to friction surface when pulley rotates | ||
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Post# 649869 , Reply# 20 12/30/2012 at 05:53 (4,128 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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I like solid tubs for a number of reasons, but I agree that the whole "doesn't strain dirt back through the clothes" argument is wobbly at best. Throw a quarter-cup of sand into a load and see how well it is disposed of compared to a Kenmore of the same vintage.
Why you'd want to wash two small loads at the same time when one of them is still going to have to wait for the dryer is a mystery to me. But, what a collector's item! Would love to see one in action. | ||
| Post# 649883 , Reply# 21 12/30/2012 at 08:33 (4,128 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada) | ||
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I wash most of my clothes in solid tub washers that don't even have sediment tubes and I never had to wipe any sand or heavy dirt in the bottom of the tub after a wash!
But I never tried to throw sand in a washer to see how it deals with it! I usually choose the items that go in the dryer and those that don't (many don't). And when the weather allows, I line dry everything outside... | ||
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Post# 649898 , Reply# 22 12/30/2012 at 09:48 (4,128 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 650114 , Reply# 23 12/31/2012 at 02:54 (4,128 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Solid Tub Washing Machines
When you think about it Miele's "honeycomb" design and similar designs with small inner tub holes are pretty much going down the same path.
If you shrink the holes of the inner tub and make the space between that and the outer tub smaller less water can be used since the void between is now diminished. | ||
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Post# 650795 , Reply# 25 1/3/2013 at 14:29 (4,124 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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| Post# 650801 , Reply# 26 1/3/2013 at 15:49 (4,124 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c ) | ||
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Hot point.. was to GE what Oldsmobile was to General Motors, they always tried out new stuff on them, but to my way of thinking Hotpoint ranges were much more stylish than a GE. | ||
| Post# 651335 , Reply# 27 1/5/2013 at 20:21 (4,122 days old) by cornutt (Huntsville, AL USA) | ||
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Frigilux hit on the problem... Hotpoint needed to invent a dual-drum dryer while they were at it! | ||
| Post# 651378 , Reply# 28 1/6/2013 at 04:31 (4,121 days old) by tecnopolis (Ocala/Dunnellon, Florida 34481) | ||
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| Post# 651379 , Reply# 29 1/6/2013 at 04:32 (4,121 days old) by tecnopolis (Ocala/Dunnellon, Florida 34481) | ||
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Post# 651407 , Reply# 30 1/6/2013 at 12:22 (4,121 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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Puzzling design......what happens to the filtering action while using the mini tub.....if your bleaching in the bottom area, and washing colors in the top basket, does the bleach water get pumped up and into the mini tub?....
would be interesting to actually see one in action.....Solid tubs, and yet knows how much to exactly put in each section.....and yet never mix the two waters together..... one other thing they mention, but not possible, to wash fine lingerie in the top, and heavy garments in the bottom, and then be able to select two different wash/spin speeds for each section, I could see temps being seperate, but speeds and cycles....that doesn't seem possible! | ||
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Post# 651467 , Reply# 31 1/6/2013 at 19:17 (4,121 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Hotpoint Duo-Load Solid Tub Washer Hi Martin, and Happy New Year, if you read Kens post #14 it describes how they keep the lint filter pump from mixing the water from the lower tub up into the top wash tub. As you suspected you can not wash at different motor speeds in the top and bottom tub for the same Duo-Load, but what I think they are implying is the action will always be more gentle in the upper tub [ like a Mini-Basket in a GE Filter-Flow washer always is ] so you should put the delicate items in the top basket. | ||
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Post# 651487 , Reply# 32 1/6/2013 at 20:17 (4,121 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Just Out Of Idle Curiosity | ||
| Post# 651894 , Reply# 33 1/8/2013 at 17:49 (4,119 days old) by cornutt (Huntsville, AL USA) | ||
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Laundress, I'm guessing that it had to do with machines getting bigger and there being no good way to engineer water level sensing on a solid-tub machine. Imagine a modern super-capacity machine trying to work with timed fill. | ||
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Post# 651949 , Reply# 34 1/8/2013 at 20:23 (4,119 days old) by joelippard (Hickory) |
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Post# 652125 , Reply# 35 1/9/2013 at 20:13 (4,118 days old) by washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i) |
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