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Post# 649382 12/27/2012 at 18:08 (4,130 days old) by mistereric  (New Jersey (Taylor Ham)) |
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Don't get me wrong. The GE FilterFlo is lovely and I enjoy it immensely. But it's already
time to shuffle her out to the shed to make room. 
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Post# 649384 , Reply# 1 12/27/2012 at 18:10 (4,130 days old) by mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham)) |
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Post# 649385 , Reply# 2 12/27/2012 at 18:11 (4,130 days old) by mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham)) |
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Post# 649386 , Reply# 3 12/27/2012 at 18:13 (4,130 days old) by mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham)) |
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Post# 649387 , Reply# 4 12/27/2012 at 18:13 (4,130 days old) by mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham)) |
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Post# 649388 , Reply# 5 12/27/2012 at 18:15 (4,130 days old) by mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham)) |
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Post# 649391 , Reply# 6 12/27/2012 at 18:21 (4,130 days old) by mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham)) |
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Post# 649392 , Reply# 7 12/27/2012 at 18:22 (4,130 days old) by mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham)) |
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Post# 649396 , Reply# 9 12/27/2012 at 18:35 (4,130 days old) by mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham)) |
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Post# 649409 , Reply# 10 12/27/2012 at 19:26 (4,130 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Post# 649411 , Reply# 11 12/27/2012 at 19:46 (4,130 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Aferim! | ||
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Post# 649416 , Reply# 12 12/27/2012 at 20:03 (4,130 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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W770, 765, and IIRC 777
Or just shall we say "772" series were the first units Miele USA brought to these shores. They would be supplanted by the "W" 1070 and 1065 a few years after their introduction. So if everyone keeps harping on about how "old" my machine must be (>20 years) then this series is nearly pushing thirty.
The matching dryers also had the same brown colour fascia. | ||
| Post# 649419 , Reply# 13 12/27/2012 at 20:37 (4,130 days old) by bosch2460 (Harrisonburg, VA) | ||
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| Post# 649479 , Reply# 14 12/28/2012 at 06:50 (4,130 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
 "Don't get me wrong. The GE FilterFlo is lovely and I enjoy it immensely. But it's already | ||
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Post# 649483 , Reply# 15 12/28/2012 at 07:53 (4,130 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 649641 , Reply# 17 12/28/2012 at 19:37 (4,129 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Spin Speed
Just as with the 10XX series IIRC the W 700's had either 900rpms or 1100rpms as final speed for cottons. Know if you choose "Delicates" and PP on my machine you get a series of gradual spins, and "Woolens provides a short spin at 900rpms (I think).
Of course being mechanical timer controlled one is free to set the spin cycle where one chooses which one often does. Woolen blankets for instance are much better given a good long spin with final burst of 1100rpms. They emerge nearly dry and only require a quick fluff cycle in the tumble dryer to finish. @Eric, If the boot looks that foul from the "inside" I should consider swapping it out with a new one. That was one of the first things I did with mine and was glad of it. The boot which arrived with machine was caked with mould around both out and and inside along with a few nastly tears/holes. The last bits weren't seen until repairman took it off to replace. That thing was packaged as toxic waste in two heavy bin liners and chucked out! *LOL* | ||
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Post# 649785 , Reply# 18 12/29/2012 at 14:47 (4,128 days old) by mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham)) |
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Post# 649819 , Reply# 19 12/29/2012 at 19:23 (4,128 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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It Is Not Worth Comparing a GE FilterFlow To A Miele W765
Two vastly different types of machines each having their own unique features. End of discussion on that matter.
As for detergent the only thing one should use at least for temps >140 is powdered Persil or other European detergents. Liquids from any American or most EU brands tend to create tons of froth at temps >120F and offerings from the former may not provide the cleaning power for the duration of the long boil wash cycles. Manhattan? Someone has been holding out on me? Hmm, Time for the "Local Historic Washing Machine Protection Committee" to make rounds again. Soon as Vito and the boys are back from Christmas vacation intend to start making the rounds again. Obviously have been too soft and kind hearted! *LOL* | ||
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Post# 649829 , Reply# 21 12/29/2012 at 19:49 (4,128 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 Many HE detergents, including all of the liquids I have tried, go berserk with suds at high temps.Yup, I saw that first-hand recently running a load on Sanitary in the Duet with liquid Era HE. No suds at first, then BOOM as the temp ramped-up and it wasn't anywhere near 200°F. Tide HE powder and Sears powder don't do that. | ||
| Post# 649836 , Reply# 22 12/29/2012 at 21:28 (4,128 days old) by bosch2460 (Harrisonburg, VA) | ||
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Post# 650001 , Reply# 23 12/30/2012 at 19:18 (4,127 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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OTOH
Latest incarnation of some Miele washers direct one to use liquid detergent for certain cycles.
Have not tried any of the latest offerings of TWB or Tide "Vivid" powders so am working from memory of the old stuff. Tried one box of Tide "HE" when it came out and that was that. Stuff made so much suds even with reduced dosage had to pour cooking oil into the drum to kill the suds. This was after several rinses failed to shift the froth and contacted MIELE USA for advice on how to deal with the situation. That was that for Moi! Since one has tons of Persil stashed away and am now working through a huge box of vintage All "condensed" sudsing detergent (with phosphates if you please) don't see myself purchasing any powdered detergents for a long, long time. | ||
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Post# 650140 , Reply# 25 12/31/2012 at 05:46 (4,127 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Funny about the Tide HE sudsing since when it first came out, it even had the endorsement from Miele and other makers on the box. | ||
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Post# 650199 , Reply# 26 12/31/2012 at 13:22 (4,126 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Tide HE and Miele
Parted ways at some point. You don't see the Miele logo on boxes/bottles of Tide or any other P&G domestic laundry detergent any longer.
Being as this may MieleUSA when pressed will say one can use Tide HE or any other low sudsing detergent but of course they do recommend Persil or Miele Care products. | ||
| Post# 650218 , Reply# 27 12/31/2012 at 14:35 (4,126 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
we've been using Omo HE detergent. I hate it!
Without being a thread stealer, Washer111, I'm intrigued to know where in Oz you are that Front load OMO manages to yield so much froth on even a half dose at such low temperatures?
Canberra has some of the softest water in the country and I have no trouble at all with full dosage of any Levers product at 140F/60C or higher. | ||
| Post# 650270 , Reply# 29 12/31/2012 at 19:25 (4,126 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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We use mechanically softened water | ||
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Post# 650295 , Reply# 32 12/31/2012 at 22:08 (4,126 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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In my Mieles I use Persil powder, or Sears Ultra Plus HE cut with 33% STPP. The Sears Ultra Plus with Oxyclean powder works quite well in a Miele, although I generally don't go above 160F with it. I've also found that for a cold fill only washer in an unheated building, it's necessary to add the Ultra Plus to the drum before the clothes. Otherwise it usually fails to dissolve in the cold water fill in the detergent drawer, causing lack of detergent in the wash phase and too much detergent in the rinse phase.
I don't think Persil has the same issue, but I haven't tried it since I discovered the issue with Sears Ultra not dissolving in a cold fill. Seeing as how many Euro washers are on cold fill only, I suspect that Persil dissolves readily in cold water. The Sears Ultra Plus HE with Oxyclean is a bit better behaved at higher temps than the "regular" Sears Ultra Plus HE. That is, it doesn't seem to get excess suds as readily as the regular stuff. But the Mieles rinse so well it's generally not an issue anyway. | ||
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Post# 650501 , Reply# 33 1/1/2013 at 21:21 (4,125 days old) by mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham)) |
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So far, so good! Love this thing to pieces.
Bought some Tide HE and am going to try smaller doses. We've peed on the floor a few times so far. I'm out of STPP… time to put in an order. I do have a tiny box of Persil but will be trough it in a week unless i conserve. Can't believe the difference in sheets and towels at high temperatures. The yuck melts away and they feel completely different after the wash. Very impressed. I used my dryer-test extension cord, and made an adapter to get it connected. Five rinses. Machine connects to both hot and cold. 900 or 1100 rpm. The dispenser is cleaner now, but there is a hard crust I can't seem to shift. I want to get the same crust off the panel without damaging the finish. Any ideas? Tom, i found the manual online, so I think I am good. Thanks! This one is dated 1987, so I think she just made the classic-cut. :-) | ||
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Post# 650505 , Reply# 34 1/1/2013 at 21:45 (4,125 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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MisterEric
Glad you found the manual and was able to download it, so you're good with that then.
Detergetn wise I'd start with no more than one tablespoon when doing washes at or >140F. Remember the four basic components of good laundering. Since you are upping both water temperature and mechanical action (by longer wash time) a decrease in chemicals (detergent) is fine. You can add pure oxygen bleach (sodium percarbonate) in the dosage of 1/2 to 1 ounce per wash load which coupled with boiling wash temps will work a treat. In removing old "crud" from the dispenser some Miele "nuts" in Europe put plastic parts of their machines through the dishwasher for cleaning. However YMMV and I'd seek another opinon on that, especially since the fascia on yours are brown and not the generic plastic. Where is the water leaking from? | ||
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Post# 650586 , Reply# 36 1/2/2013 at 09:24 (4,124 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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We've peed on the floor a few times so far. From excitement or from the dispenser? | ||
| Post# 650718 , Reply# 37 1/3/2013 at 05:18 (4,124 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia) | ||
Miele should not be connected to softened water
Hi washer111,
If you read your manual it states on page 56 that the machine should not be connected to softened water. This is the reason why you are experiencing over sudsing problems. In Germany Miele has an AllWater model which only uses softened water in the main wash and mains tap water in the rinse cycles. I would suggest to just connect your Miele to normal mains water and bypass the softener. | ||
| Post# 650721 , Reply# 38 1/3/2013 at 05:33 (4,124 days old) by wierdguy () | ||
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Mieles are great machines, just like their vacuums | ||
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Post# 650734 , Reply# 39 1/3/2013 at 07:24 (4,124 days old) by mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham)) |
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After two loads last night, the small dose Tide HE worked very well. Looks like I have a detergent solution! I used a whole scoop but poured it over the divide in the dispenser, so each wash got about half the dose. Same with a scoop of oxygen bleach. Results were very decent, and no oversudsing.
Why didn't I think of vinegar before? Sheesh. Good idea. She seems to leak only on rinse fills, which is kinda bizarre. The machine is level, so thats not it. Weird that its only on rinses! The water leaks out of the dispenser. I absolutely love the super quick dryer cycles after using this machine. | ||
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Post# 650812 , Reply# 41 1/3/2013 at 15:57 (4,123 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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You can split detergent 1/4 to 3/4 between pre-wash and main cycles. Since these machines do not spin after the pre-wash a good amount of detergent will carry over to the main cycle.
Leaking from which of the rinse cycles? All four or just the final one? Where does the water come from? More towards the back or front of the dispenser drawer. If only the final rinse check to see if the fabric softener compartment including siphon tube are clean. The manual tells how to take the latter apart for cleaning. If it is fouled with gunk it may not drain as fast as it should causing the leaking. Best way to determine what is going on is to remove the dispenser drawer and allow the washer to fill for the final rinse. Whilst it is doing so examine if water is coming freely from all ports. If the washer was used in Manhattan/NYC only we have pretty soft water, so a build up of scale deposits doesn't come to our minds at first.But then again seeing pictures of the state of that detergent compartment anything is possible. If the worse comes to the worse you may have to remove the entire detergent compartment and examine for leaks and or damage. | ||
| Post# 650819 , Reply# 42 1/3/2013 at 16:58 (4,123 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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Dispenser leak
The other thing to look at is the hose from the inlet solinoid to the dispenser - it may have developed a small crack in it.
It's something that happened both to my Hoover Electra and my mothers ASEA - easily fixed, but can be a bugger to find as we tend to look everywhere around the dispenser, drum and door boot without actually checking the actual inlet hose. | ||
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Post# 651188 , Reply# 43 1/5/2013 at 10:22 (4,121 days old) by mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham)) |
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The door to the fabric softner dispenser is very crusty. I'm surprised - spent 31 years on NYC soft water and never saw crust form like this. The dispenser sat in the sink with CLR on the deposits overnight and they hardly shifted. Might try to take the panel off the front of the dispenser so I can soak the whole thing.
I'll def check out how the jets are firing next time I do a wash. Thanks for the heads up. :-) | ||
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Post# 651248 , Reply# 44 1/5/2013 at 15:11 (4,121 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Personally
While one understands the desire for a "mint" looking vintage appliance sometimes we have to deal with the real, as they say.
CLR is powerful stuff and if it didn't remove the crud not sure what else might outside of sand blasting. My larger concern would be the internal parts which are fast becoming if not already NLA from MieleUSA. Could deal with the odd blemish or such externally. Of course you could push the boat out and see if a new dispenser drawer is available from MieleUSA. Seeing as the machines came cheaply even spending the dear money Miele often wishes for parts shouldn't be so bad, that is if you want a "clean look" to the appliance. What you may have could also be something other than scale crud, and or it has sunk so deep into the plastic and remained for so long that shifting it totally will be near impossible. | ||
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