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Post# 650600   1/2/2013 at 12:26 (4,103 days old) by sarahperdue (Alabama)        

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Hi Y'all,

Please forgive me, I'm awful with follow-up and fear that I could seem ungrateful for your help and advice. I promise I am very grateful, but I am also the world's worst procrastinator. Really. I have my great-grandmother's ironstone soap dish on the table beside me and am gluing bits of it back together in stages as I type. A friend broke it when I was in college (1988), and I've hauled it and its pieces through 25 years, 3 states and seven house changes. It's not personal. (I think Kelly might be willing to vouch for me).

Anyway, my washer:
Kenmore
Model 110: 82672810
Stock: 2672810 amps
60 hz
120 volts
Serial: 064508566

finally reached the point where I insisted that it needed to be fixed. My husband took it apart last night and says it needs a new clutch kit with brake dog. He has also asked me to find out if the old, oxidized oil on the gear case is a problem. Should we replace it too?

Thank you,
Sarah





Post# 650601 , Reply# 1   1/2/2013 at 12:27 (4,103 days old) by sarahperdue (Alabama)        
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Post# 650602 , Reply# 2   1/2/2013 at 12:28 (4,103 days old) by sarahperdue (Alabama)        
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Post# 650739 , Reply# 3   1/3/2013 at 07:43 (4,102 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Fixing A KM DD Washer

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You do have a top seal oil leak on the transmission. I would be ideal to replace the transmission or at least replace the two top oil seals on the transmission. Short of replacing the transmission I would replace the clutch assembly with a new one and this should come with the plastic brake cam, depending on how bad the oil leak is replacing just the clutch may allow the washer to work properly for even a few years if you are lucky, Good Luck, John


Post# 650750 , Reply# 4   1/3/2013 at 09:16 (4,102 days old) by mixfinder ()        
Stop The Madness

Not today but with in the year we need to find Sarah a large capacity machine that will help her keep up with her mountains of laundry the family creates. Her Kenmore is a smaller capacity model and when she visited this summer and used my old Maytag she was impressed with the capacity if that gives you an indication. She likely done ten loads already since writing this. I talked to her yesterday at the parts counter as she was buying the part. Thanks as always for your help John, you are a hero to us all.

Post# 650780 , Reply# 5   1/3/2013 at 12:59 (4,102 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Saints to the rescue!

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John and Kelly. Thank you.

You're a lucky woman, Sara.

Kelly, let me know how I can help in the effort to get Sara a great big washer.


Post# 650794 , Reply# 6   1/3/2013 at 14:26 (4,102 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        
Sarah and Kelly

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To give you some perspective in your future washer shopping, this machine is actually the largest direct-drive available, that is if the model number is original and the machine has not been 'hybridized' by an appliance shop, etc.

The model number 110.82672810 translates into an '86 model, large/super capacity, 70-series, in almond, and appears to have been manufactured the 45th week of 1986. The first zero in the serial number is most likely a 'C', which is often confused for a zero.

This machine in 1986 was considered a 3.0 cubic ft. model. This basket size remained in mass production into 2012, though small numbers are made for commercial and export markets to this day. This 3.0 cu ft model has morphed, thanks to the geniuses in marketing at both Sears and Whirlpool, into 3.2 cu ft models, then 3.5 cu ft, and ultimately the 4.0 cu ft direct drives --- they all used similar tub and basket dimensions. The difference was in the agitators and the variously improving Dual Action designs that were employed as the line got fancier. As agitators improved in their handling of large loads, the machine's useable capacity was said to increase by WP, all within the same basket size.

There was a 2.4/2.5 cu ft direct drive, which is what was fitted in all the 24-inch models, and some 27-inch machines. This is the tall, slender basket that many people think of when discussing a space-challenged Direct Drive.

I am pointing this out in case you wind up looking at another direct drive, in hopes of helping you avoid dissappointment...if it is also a super capacity of one iteration or another, it won't be any larger physically in basket size than this machine. The various Dual-Action agitators, some of which appear taller than others, and the various colors of baskets, especially the white ones, all have a major impact on the visual perception of the machine and expecially the basket.

I mentioned 'hybridizing' above which happens at many appliance shops. Because so many direct drive washers were made, and they being very widely available used, many are used as parts donors in small shops, etc. to supply parts to other machines which are being refurbished. I have seen some shops which will blend Whirlpool control panels onto Kenmore tops, blend WP agitators into KM models, it goes on and on. It is possible that if this machine is one of the 2.4/2.5 cu ft baskets, that a large capacity Kenmore cabinet, along with the cabinet's original model number, could have been transplanted onto a standard capacity 'guts'. For reference, a true regular capacity Kenmore model from the same period would have a model number of 110.8167xxxx instead of 110.8267xxxx.

This hybridizing was done in belt-drives too, and probably other brand machines as well. I have a 1980 Kenmore BOL large capacity machine, which has a 1970 Kenmore 60-series console installed. This involved replacing the machine's original single speed motor for a 2-speed, it involved modification to the wiring harness both in the 1980 cabinet and the 1970 standard capacity console, and in this machine's case the addition of the off-balance relay (why the person did that I cannot say). At least in this case the machine's original model number was removed from the cabinet so that parts weren't accidentally ordered in the future which no longer fit the machine. Many shops don't bother with this much re-fittig detail, but many others mix and match to a great extent...

As to machines that are larger in true capacity, Combo/John L as well as some others would know better as I am not that familiar with other brands, but I am fairly sure that the large capacity DD and its large cap. belt-drive ancestor are among the largest volume machines out there, especially in vintage or semi-vintage machines, at least ones that are worth having.

I hope this is somehow helpful!

Gordon







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Post# 650808 , Reply# 7   1/3/2013 at 15:53 (4,102 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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What kind of space does she have?......

can we look at options of 2 Stacked FLers.....or even two or more sets of Tlers?....

since she does so much laundry, and she's one of us, can we get her into a collection as well as function?.......

now may be the time to consider this......can we offer her some options?....

despite my vintage collection.....and all the Neptunes I have, I found these 2 sets on CL for around 450.00......can something like this setup work for Sarah...

I was just thinking several machines might make it easier on her....even if one broke, she would not be at a loss for the moment...


Post# 650964 , Reply# 8   1/4/2013 at 13:48 (4,101 days old) by sarahperdue (Alabama)        
It has gotta be TL Whirlpool

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Thank you guys, thank you, thank you. Y'all are fantastic, and, yes, I know that I am a lucky woman. I couldn't be blessed with a more wonderful friend than Kelly. Gotta run now, but parts didn't work and husband has finally agreed to new washer but he wants a Whirlpool TL.

Post# 650988 , Reply# 9   1/4/2013 at 15:23 (4,101 days old) by sarahperdue (Alabama)        
More blessed...

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All of you are also among my many blessings. Thank you for your advice, help and support.

Now that I am at a real keyboard...

Thank you John. Kelly and I have been praying for my dear husband to declare this one dead for a long, long time. I'm almost grateful that the new parts did not work. Its demise creates a more urgent need to find another machine, but it finally convinced Bruce that it might be a good idea to get a new one. We'll never know the true history of this machine

MickeyD, thanks for the help, and Gordon, you are right on all visible counts except the rats' teeth marks on the control knobs, and could very possibly right about the hybridization. We have a saying in my nuclear family: it's called "Strothered" after my maternal grandfather and uncle. They are famous for all kinds of inadequate rigging and messing about.

Yogitunes, I love the idea of two washers so that I'm not "dead in the water" when one breaks down. I have the space for it, but I do not have the husband for it. So, to protect the delicate balance of power in our household, a top loading Whirlpool or Whirlpool manufactured machine it is. A direct drive like our current corpse would be best.

I bought a new Whirlpool between 2002 and 2005--some of you may remember my ceiling fan pull chain snake story--that I really liked. It was larger capacity than this one, had the temperature sensor that brought the temperature up to something reasonable on a winter cold water cycle and was all mechanical. I'd like to replace the dead one with a similar machine.

When I bought it, according to the manufacturer specs, it was one step down from the TOL and had everything I wanted plus .2 cu feet more capacity than the TOL. I don't want any electronics because I don't think my washer needs a brain and mechanical is easier for Bruce to fix. (Yes, I'm handy, but he is chief of the washer department. Don't ask why. I'm the one with all of the washer collecting friends.)

Oh, and about that snake, many of you have commented that a ceiling fan pull chain was unlikely to kill a washer dead. It happened before my husband became Whirlpool proficient, and a repairman angling for a new sale may have made the pronouncement.

Best to all of you,
Sarah


Post# 651021 , Reply# 10   1/4/2013 at 17:02 (4,101 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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Sarah -

Are you wanting another new Whirlpool direct drive machine or are you looking for something used?

Finding one new in box is likely going to be very difficult, but not totally impossible. I saw a small Mom&Pop shop back in the spring that still had a couple 2010 models new in box, but these shops are harder to come by as time goes on. 2011 DDs have a rinse water level issue that you will want to correct or adjust before using, I'd say anyway. Even in the 2010 models, the TOL models had some computerization and did not have user adjustable water level controls.

The last DDs were lower end models -- one speed agitation, not a lot of frills models. To get one like you had you may want to browse Craigslist for a 'cream puff' being sold by a single person, older couple, etc.

It's either that or get a Speed Queen while you still can. I hear time is running out on them being fully mechanical as well (computerized controls are coming) but I have heard of reliability problems with recent timers in these machines.


Post# 651027 , Reply# 11   1/4/2013 at 17:29 (4,101 days old) by sarahperdue (Alabama)        
Wish List

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Kenmoreguy64, thanks for your sugestions.

I'm thinking I'll want used. I'm not sure a new one would have everything on my wish list. Of course, now that my need is more urgent, it will be harder to wait for exactly what I want:

Whirlpool (DH specified, unlikely to be negotiable. No, he doesn't rule the whole house, but I do try to pick my battles carefully.)
Top Loading
Largest Tub/Capacity Available
Water Temperature Sensor
All Mechanical

Direct drive is optional--if it's a TL Whirlpool, then I don't have to be specific about direct drive vs whatever else there is--belt drive? unless my sweetheart asks, right?

Thanks as always,
Sarah


Post# 651035 , Reply# 12   1/4/2013 at 17:49 (4,101 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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There are lots of Kenmore-branded Whirly DD units on Craigslist and such. Look for a 90 Series for full featured-ness -- ATC, 3-speed motor.


Post# 651320 , Reply# 13   1/5/2013 at 19:42 (4,100 days old) by cornutt (Huntsville, AL USA)        

Sarah, take a look at the Huntsville Craigslist. There seem to be a lot of DD Whirlpools and Kenmores around here right now.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO cornutt's LINK on Huntsville Craigslist


Post# 652450 , Reply# 14   1/11/2013 at 12:20 (4,094 days old) by sarahperdue (Alabama)        
Speed Queen?

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Hi Ya'll,

My local ReStore has a beautiful pair Speed Queen washer dryer set for $275 each.

Model: AWN412SP111TW01
Serial: 1004002047

Model: ADE4BRGS171TW01
Serial: 1003014957

Since some of you have mentioned the Speed Queen as the "Holy Grail" of washing machines, I'd like to know if you like this model at this price. Is it all mechanical? Does it have a water temperature sensor? Is it easy enough for my husband to work on that I can convince him that we should buy it even though it is not a Whirlpool. Oh, and if I goof up and overload it, how much damage can I do and how hard will it be to fix it?

Ps. I'm reasonably handy, so if any of you are willing to volunteer to hold my hand if it needs fixing, I could learn to maintain it and remove DHs criteria from the equation.

Many thanks to all of you,
Sarah


Post# 652474 , Reply# 15   1/11/2013 at 14:35 (4,094 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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Sarah -

Not seeing the machines makes me a bit uneasy advising anything, but if you say this set is "beautiful", I'm tempted to believe they aren't already "wrung-out and worn out".

$500-something is a lot of money for a used toploader set, BUT a lot less than you'd pay for these new, and they are still current models I believe.

I would probably much rather have this SQ set over a comparable DD set in the same condition, but they are likely to cost more money, just as when new.

If you feel this set is a low-use set, without existing issues, you may find you really like them - there are lots of folks on this site who swear by these machines. They are what I would want if not using my vintage belt-drives.

For the price of these, is the Restore willing to give you a money-back 30-day return?

Someone here, perhaps Martin?, can possibly decode the serial numbers, or I'd bet a quick call to SQ would tell you that as well. Check out their website --- you can get all the details on what is an AWN412. This is a mechanically controlled machine. I am not sure about the mixing valve and its ability to control or meter temperatures.

Good luck!

Gordon


Post# 652488 , Reply# 16   1/11/2013 at 16:08 (4,094 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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Thanks for the mention Gordon....and all too glad to help Sarah.....

this link is to the site, once you enter the info, it will give you the approx date of manufacturer.....

I tried it, but its is telling me there are some numbers missing from the Serial number......so if you can recheck the numbers, and enter them, it should be able to date them for you.....hope this helps

about the only thing you may want to do to the washer, is raise the water level, and by-pass the lid switch....both very simple to do, use the searchalator, and trace back to several threads on how to do this with ease.....pics included...

granted SQ's are nice, and a little expensive brand new, these are a little over priced IMHO....

but keep your fingers crossed, they could be only a year or two old and still under warranty.....


CLICK HERE TO GO TO Yogitunes's LINK


Post# 652509 , Reply# 17   1/11/2013 at 18:52 (4,094 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Used SQ Set

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This is a good price if the machines are in good condition, By the serial #s the washer was built the forth week of 2010 and the dryer the third week of the same year so they are barely out of the three year parts and labor warranty, the motors are still covered for two more years and the washers transmission for 7 more years  [ parts only ]. If you buy these re-register them with SQ and depending whether the original purchaser registered them you could still have a good period of complete P&L warranty left.

 

These would be about the sturdiest washer and dryer you can buy today, and yes there is not a single electronic part in either the washer or dryer.


Post# 652525 , Reply# 18   1/11/2013 at 21:44 (4,094 days old) by dustin92 (Jackson, MI)        

If they are as good as the Speed Queens we have had, the most you will ever need to do is the belt or pump, both of which are super easy (on our machines anyway). As for overloading, the worst you could do is break the belt. We bought a SQ in 1994, and it ran great for 11 years, through 3 moves, and much abuse and overloading. It was still working when we sold it, and the worst it ever needed was a new belt, my mom was really good at running a small load, then running a full load and forgetting to raise the water level. I think it ran like that for about a week once... I am very suprised she hasnt blown the transmission in our Maytag performa yet.. If you buy the set, they should perform much better than your current machine, with less wear on your clothes.

Post# 652633 , Reply# 19   1/12/2013 at 08:53 (4,093 days old) by sarahperdue (Alabama)        
New thread in Deluxe

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I posted the pictures in a new thread over in Deluxe.

Thanks y'all,
Sarah


Post# 652686 , Reply# 20   1/12/2013 at 15:56 (4,093 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Perdue ( French for lost) recommendation ;'D

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When you said your husband was determined to buy a Whirlpool, I kept quiet; after all, he's buying it, not me. But for the capacity you're looking for, and no electronics, the Speed Queen will not disappoint; in fact, it has more usable room because the agitator is streamlined in the center post and plate, thus making more room available for laundry.

Funny, we were just looking inside my sister Lynn's on Christmas Day. My nephew Daniel was looking for a machine in the family large enough to wash one of his son's stuffed animals. His Kenmore couldn't handle it. Lynn's's had her Speed Queen for years, and the tub looks mammoth, which has been their standard 3+ cubic feet for a long time. Like the old Maytags, it is a dependable, reliable work horse.

So had your husband not spoken up, I was planning to tell you that a Speed Queen is the machine for you. So there you go. Buy a Speed Queen.

Happy Extra-large load, gimmick free washing!




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