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Thread Number: 44543
Dishwasher, out with the old, in with the new! |
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Post# 654124 1/18/2013 at 08:27 (4,106 days old) by foraloysius  (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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It was about time my AEG dishwasher was retired. The racks were rusting, the rapid advance timer had a few quirks (one cycle started over and over again, one load must have been cleaned three times...), the fan wasn't working for quite a while now and the machine started yellowing. It started to show it was over 18 years.
And then there was my favourite appliance shop that is being closed down. They had a sale and being a regular customer they offered me a Miele dishwasher for 600 Euros, which was quite a deal. So out with my AEG Öko Favorit 6060 and in with the Miele G4210SC. Here's a picture of the front of the AEG. 
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Post# 654125 , Reply# 1 1/18/2013 at 08:29 (4,106 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 654127 , Reply# 2 1/18/2013 at 08:31 (4,106 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 654128 , Reply# 3 1/18/2013 at 08:31 (4,106 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 654138 , Reply# 4 1/18/2013 at 09:00 (4,106 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 654154 , Reply# 5 1/18/2013 at 10:01 (4,106 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Thank you Eugene! There is definitely a learning curve to using the silverware rack but I will get used to it. The silverware basket of the AEG was broken (it was a folding basket and it almost fell apart), so I had to pay attention to loading it, so it doesn't cost much more time to load the rack. And in the end you win when you have sorted while loading.
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| Post# 654156 , Reply# 6 1/18/2013 at 10:08 (4,106 days old) by chris74 () | ||
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Interresting... ...that the quite modern AEG still had the open heating element. Thought they disappeared a long time ago but the US machines still have them, too... | ||
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Post# 654166 , Reply# 7 1/18/2013 at 10:51 (4,106 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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IIRC most dishwashers still had open heating elements around 20 years ago.
When I bought the AEG these new series had been recently released. It replaced an AEG Öko Favorit 578 (IIRC) under warranty. The feeding tube from the back for the top rack was one of the new things and te newer series was more silent. The AEG rating was 45dB. The Miele rating is 48dB, but I think the standard has changed. They seem about equally loud. | ||
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Post# 654347 , Reply# 8 1/18/2013 at 21:49 (4,105 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Post# 654373 , Reply# 9 1/18/2013 at 23:03 (4,105 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 654376 , Reply# 10 1/18/2013 at 23:06 (4,105 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 654403 , Reply# 11 1/19/2013 at 04:29 (4,105 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Thanks y'all!
Actually I don't think there is much difference in energy use. When I bought the AEG it was a very frugal dishwasher for that time. It used 16 liters (4.2 gallons) for the regular cycle. The Miele is not the most efficient compared to other brands, wich was actually a plus. It uses 13 liters (3.4 gallons) on the reference cycle. It can use less on the Automatic cycle, but with the Turbo function you shorten the cycle, but that will use more water. I will take some pictures soon. I have to get used to loading it. The bottom rack is very flexible, but I have some minor problems with the upper rack. It's not as easy to load as the upper rack of the AEG. But I guess there is a learning curve. | ||
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Post# 654409 , Reply# 12 1/19/2013 at 05:10 (4,105 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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| Post# 654436 , Reply# 13 1/19/2013 at 08:20 (4,105 days old) by chris74 () | ||
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IIRC I had a Matura dishwasher back in 1993 which hadn't had that open heating element. But your AEG seems to be the old quality before they were bought by Electrolux from Sweden. | ||
| Post# 654581 , Reply# 14 1/19/2013 at 23:15 (4,104 days old) by Maytagbear (N.E. Ohio) | ||
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Niiiiiiiice! I hope it performs well for you, Louis, for at least 18 years. Lawrence/Maytagbear | ||
| Post# 654586 , Reply# 15 1/20/2013 at 00:03 (4,104 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
Silverware rack | ||
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Post# 654624 , Reply# 16 1/20/2013 at 08:17 (4,104 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 654625 , Reply# 17 1/20/2013 at 08:18 (4,104 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 654626 , Reply# 18 1/20/2013 at 08:19 (4,104 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 654627 , Reply# 19 1/20/2013 at 08:20 (4,104 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 654628 , Reply# 20 1/20/2013 at 08:22 (4,104 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 654630 , Reply# 21 1/20/2013 at 08:24 (4,104 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 654631 , Reply# 22 1/20/2013 at 08:27 (4,104 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 654644 , Reply# 23 1/20/2013 at 09:19 (4,104 days old) by chris74 () | ||
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I don't know if it was rebadged It's been a Privileg Matura from 1993 and definitively had a built-in heater. That was pre-Internet so: no photos here to proof. | ||
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Post# 654650 , Reply# 24 1/20/2013 at 09:38 (4,104 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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@Chris | ||
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Post# 654654 , Reply# 25 1/20/2013 at 10:02 (4,104 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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| Post# 654679 , Reply# 26 1/20/2013 at 11:54 (4,103 days old) by chris74 () | ||
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AFAIK... ...it's been exactly that machine. Don't remember the funnel in the upper basket, though and the cycle indicator may have been a bit different. After all, it is 20 years ago and my memory is seemingly to fall apart. | ||
| Post# 654680 , Reply# 27 1/20/2013 at 11:55 (4,103 days old) by chris74 () | ||
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AFAIK... ...it's been exactly that machine. Don't remember the funnel in the upper basket, though and the cycle indicator may have been a bit different. After all, it is 20 years ago and my memory is seemingly to fall apart. | ||
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Post# 654706 , Reply# 28 1/20/2013 at 13:05 (4,103 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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@Pete: Actually I don't think so because it doesn't have the air inlet inside. But I defenitely heard something after the first cycle I did. There was air being moved or I must have been imagining things.
@Chris: If you had the same or pretty much a similar dishwasher then it was definintely a rebadged Bauknecht. Here's an after picture. Load is clean and dry. 
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| Post# 654870 , Reply# 29 1/21/2013 at 04:04 (4,103 days old) by chris74 () | ||
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How do you cope with the drawer? Is there a third or fourth wash arm to get things up there thoroughly clean? | ||
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Post# 654873 , Reply# 30 1/21/2013 at 04:19 (4,103 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Miele
Hi Louis, always good when a new appliance makes its way into the home, looking forward to hearing all the reviews of the different programmes (do we ever use them all?) I`m sure you will see a reduction in running costs and water usage over time.
I have never used a cutlery tray as a daily driver, I have used Al`s and Jons and personally would lose the will to live having to load them individually, especially during the wash parties Lol...but I`m sure I would get used to it if using it daily.. Happy washing, Mike | ||
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Post# 654877 , Reply# 31 1/21/2013 at 04:44 (4,103 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK) |
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Cutlery trays Actually its a feature I quite like as you end up sorting the cutlery before the wash rather than after although it has prompted comments from the BF about me being obsessed about how it is supposed to be loaded, mind you I have always been that way with how dishwashers should be loaded anyway. I also like the way it (apparently) gives room for serving spoons etc although I will admit that if they are really dirty I will find room for them in the main wash chamber rather than on the tray. I like the exterior styling of the Miele dishwasher Louis has got and will admit to being tempted before now to update mine, although it looks strange to my eyes seeing that gas hob on top - a common enough arrangement in Holland, unheard of here. Al | ||
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Post# 654882 , Reply# 32 1/21/2013 at 06:24 (4,103 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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@Chris: There is a little spray arm over the cutlery tray.
@Mike: I had my doubts about the cutlery tray, but this was the last model in the shop, so I had no choice. Friends who have one like it. I guess I'm a one cycle man when it comes to dishwashers, unlike when it comes to washers. lol @Al: Yes, those gas hobs are very common here, initially meant for putting on a counter high fridge. So far I have seen these only in the Netherlands. | ||
| Post# 654924 , Reply# 33 1/21/2013 at 12:21 (4,102 days old) by suds (Brisbane, Australia) | ||
You won't be disappointed...
...with your Miele with cutlery tray Louis, great new toy by the way :)
I haven been using my Miele G646SC for 13 years now (faultlessly!) with said cutlery tray and would not have it any other way. If one packs all the items neatly together (it seems a faff/fiddle initially only ) then when unloading one easily scoops up ie the knives all in one go straight into the cutlery drawer. I was surprised to see that the newer models' cutlery tray does not lift out for it to be carried around the kitchen for filling/emptying which I find quite useful. I do remember reading something about a drying/air movement mechanism of sorts but will have to research it again. Al - I am pleased to hear that I am not the only one having had comments made re: what I perceive to be correct loading of the tray and the dishwasher in general, I sometimes thinks it causes more arguments than handwashing ( gasp who said that!?) the items would lol. I would love the new G5620 sc with that auto opening door at the cycle end but cannot justify replacing my current machine as it still does such a good job! Now if only I had space for both... | ||
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Post# 654929 , Reply# 34 1/21/2013 at 12:58 (4,102 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 654940 , Reply# 35 1/21/2013 at 13:54 (4,102 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK) |
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Brendon
It is not only the loading of cutlery trays and dishwashers in general that we have in common, I also have a Miele G646SC just coming up to its 10th birthday and still working like a trooper :)
Here it is being modelled by the lovely Lavamat Jon a couple of years ago - a "You can be sure .... " moment :) Al 
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| Post# 654966 , Reply# 36 1/21/2013 at 15:00 (4,102 days old) by suds (Brisbane, Australia) | ||
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*Big Grin* | ||
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Post# 654991 , Reply# 37 1/21/2013 at 16:59 (4,102 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Nice dishwasher Louis | ||
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Post# 655159 , Reply# 38 1/22/2013 at 14:23 (4,101 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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John | ||
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Post# 655524 , Reply# 39 1/24/2013 at 08:27 (4,100 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK) |
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Oven and How many appliances?
Louis
I have that same oven as a built in version, branded Neff and it is one of the best appliances I have ever owned - it gets far more use than my "regular" oven and I am frequently surprised by how much I can get into it. I first encountered this oven as a wash-in at (Chester)Mike's (I think his was Siemens but it was the same) and was so impressed by its functionality that I got one for myself as soon as I could. I have never regretted it. How many appliances? Hows about this? In my last apartment I had a kitchen 2.75m x 1.8m (approx 9ft x 6ft) - there was one door in a corner and a window on the short wall at the other end of the kitchen. Arranged in a U shape I had: Fridge & Freezer (separate units - stacked) Neff 1057 Oven and a half at eye level, with a Sharp Microwave above (I am tall) Four burner gas hob One and a half Bowl sink with drainer Indesit Dishwasher Mondia (Merloni) washer drier. The combination boiler (heat and instant water) was by near the door above the washer drier (there was a good gap between the two - the Mondia was also quite shallow) There were 2 x 1m base units (at right angles - what is sometimes called a closed corner here), 1x 600 three drawer stack with two pull out drawers under the oven. 3 x 500mm and 2 x 600mm wall units. For its size it was incredibly efficient although it was really a "kitchen for one" and there was literally just enough room to lower the dishwasher door. However the floor covering had to be replaced twice during the 10 years or so I had that kitchen as it kept wearing out as there was constant traffic over such a small area! Al | ||
| Post# 655585 , Reply# 40 1/24/2013 at 14:03 (4,099 days old) by rpms (ontario canada) | ||
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Post# 655600 , Reply# 41 1/24/2013 at 16:10 (4,099 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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My kitchen is somewhat bigger, but there is a table and four chairs in it. I don't have a washer/dryer there, but besides the freezer there is also a fridge/freezer in there. To the right of the freezer and the oven is a TV. And more to the right there is an Acme spindryer. And there are lots and lots of small appliances! Most of them in a huge cupboard.
I think the oven is great. But the microwave part is a bit lame with 800 Watts. I like the oven part, but I already had a repair on it because the bottom element was broken. And Bosch repairs are for sure not a bargain! The cutlery rack is very close to the top. There is only space for cutlery and somwhat bigger items in the middle. A plate face down would be too high already. | ||
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Post# 655645 , Reply# 42 1/24/2013 at 20:39 (4,099 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Miele with cutlery tray  | ||
| Post# 655672 , Reply# 43 1/24/2013 at 22:46 (4,099 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
Nice machine Louis !
Years ago I use to call the UK and get brochures lol and ran my phone bill up. But it was worth it, one of the brands was AEG I cant say it in germen. But they changed it to Automatic Engeneering Germany. The diswasher you had ownwd was yours cold water feed and what is there take on the feature ,,, Care Clean Glaze protection system. Is that part of the built in water softner.. Your AEG dishwasher I beleave was the Euro model that Kitchenaid used one year and then they scrapt it. its the same baskets and the low slopping top rack. Then the next ones I saw was a boomering wash arm from AEG. You will get used to the stacking of silverware its a good system. People love to toss in a basket lol, but there is no kissing and you can seperate silver from other types of utensils. And a much better clean. Wish we could have free standing models here in the US. Best of luck with your new Miele. | ||
| Post# 655675 , Reply# 44 1/24/2013 at 22:55 (4,099 days old) by Aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
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Pic 2.
Here is the model simular to yours. I was fascinated with the BIO wash button was new to me. Not for you guys over there but thought your machines was so advanced. So from leaning from this sight I gather it is a lower water temp ..? I beleave this one is 2002 ,,something,,Model. Model number is,, OKO FAVORIT 808i Your right Laundress ,, I saw the the third rack or utesil racks first in ,, 1. LG 2. Kithenaid third split racks, I have no idea how it cleans up top with that little impeller lol. 3. Bosch Darren k 
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Post# 655720 , Reply# 45 1/25/2013 at 04:17 (4,099 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Thank you Darren!
All dishwashers here are cold water feed. I don't know anyone who has his dishwasher connected to hot water. My water heater is too far away and it takes too long to get up to temperature too to profit from the hot fill. In Germany they say Aus Erfahrung Gut (Good from experience). But the people who don't like AEG say Auspacken, Einschalten, Garantiefall (unpack, turn on, warranty case). lol I don't know what care clean is. The 1994 brochure doesn't mention something about it. The special BIO was indeed a lower temperature wash cycle. The 8080 had four BIO cycles, Special, Normal, Spar (save, no prerinse) and Quick. It must be a bit older than 2002 I think. | ||
| Post# 655928 , Reply# 46 1/26/2013 at 04:08 (4,098 days old) by eddy1210 (Burnaby BC Canada) | ||
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Post# 655931 , Reply# 47 1/26/2013 at 04:26 (4,098 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 656014 , Reply# 48 1/26/2013 at 12:53 (4,097 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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We had an AEG, too. Made in Germany, at that time. The drying fan failed on our machine as well. Washing performance wasn't as good as on its successor, a Siemens, and I never liked this Pulse Wash System, which altered the pump's speed between 2000 and 2800 rpm. Rather annoying to listen to. But the upper rack was great! Thumbs up for tilting rack! :-)
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Post# 656443 , Reply# 49 1/28/2013 at 03:52 (4,096 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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