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Post# 655390   1/23/2013 at 15:44 (4,107 days old) by ian_p61 (Melbourne Australia)   |   | |
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Hi all, I was searching online and I found a kitchenaid dishwasher for sale and I agreed to pick it up in 3 days I was just wondering if you guys could tell me a few details about it. The seller didn't say a model but here a picture! Thanks all |
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Post# 655391 , Reply# 1   1/23/2013 at 15:48 (4,107 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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Post# 655424 , Reply# 2   1/23/2013 at 18:52 (4,107 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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This model was built sold in the US from 1971-1974 and then an extra button was added for no heat dry and they continued to build them another two + years. It was one of the most popular KA DWs ever, it was a well built but complicated machine that we made lots of money on repairing. It needed about 20 gallons of 140 Degree F water per cycle and it would do a very good job in well under an hour, I hope you have abundant water and a solar water heater if you plan to run it often. |
Post# 655492 , Reply# 3   1/24/2013 at 01:25 (4,107 days old) by ian_p61 (Melbourne Australia)   |   | |
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How most likely would it have been installed( I have to uninstall it)! Also does any have a manual or advertisement for the machine- I love those! |
Post# 655505 , Reply# 4   1/24/2013 at 05:54 (4,106 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 655530 , Reply# 7   1/24/2013 at 09:37 (4,106 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)   |   | |
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The actual water usage as listed in the service manual:
Soak Cycle - 18.9 gallons Full & Sanicycle - 14.9 gallons Light soil - 9.5 gallons Having used one of these machines I can say that if you scrape your dishes with a rubber spatula (but not rinse them) and don't put any truly nasty pots and pans in the machine that the light soil cycle does just fine to get everything clean quickly and efficiently in about 40 minutes! |
Post# 655599 , Reply# 8   1/24/2013 at 16:03 (4,106 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)   |   | |
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Post# 655601 , Reply# 9   1/24/2013 at 16:14 (4,106 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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Post# 655607 , Reply# 11   1/24/2013 at 16:46 (4,106 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)   |   | |
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12 - 15 gallons was pretty common for dishwashers of the later 1960s up through the 1980s. By that time everyone had large hot water heaters and water was cheap in most US cities. In some medium and small sized towns it wasn't even metered!
I will still say that there exists this paradox about water consumption in the US. We keep getting new clothes washers and dishwashers that use less and less water (and often times more electricity, which BTW can use between 1 and 5 gallons of water to produce depnding on location in the US) and yet much of new construction in the US has shower stalls with multiple nozzles and jacuzzi-style bathtubs holding 80 - 100 gallons! |
Post# 655622 , Reply# 14   1/24/2013 at 19:13 (4,106 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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While it is true that many older series of KitchenAid used a lot of water by today's standards (and even by the standards of their day), there was a reason for it.
Back in the day, KitchenAid was owned by the Hobart Corporation, a company which made commercial dishwashing machines and other restaurant equipment. That meant they had a reputation to protect. To that end, performance and longevity were consistent goals for KitchenAid at that time. Today, KitchenAid is just one more consumer appliance brand among many, with many products having design origins in common with "lesser" brands. Back then, it really meant something. Their dishwashers washed way better. Their mixers didn't bog down. The products usually required less servicing than the competition. People who wanted no-excuses performance bought KitchenAid for these reasons. Yes, the products cost more to buy and to operate. But if you wanted the job done without worrying about it, that was acceptable. And at their most profligate water usage, KitchenAid dishwashers used less water than hand-washing the same amount of dishes. That's what today's governmental poo-bahs forget - dishwashers have always saved water, not wasted it. I get really vexed when I hear that governmental officials want water usage reduced some more on dishwashers - it's going to take a certain amount of water to do the job right no matter how many regulations those asses enact. |
Post# 655625 , Reply# 16   1/24/2013 at 19:41 (4,106 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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"Americans may not load their dishwashers fully before running them"
True enough. But there are other ways of handling that issue, such as load-sensing capability that wouldn't permit a dishwasher to be run if there weren't a certain amount of dishes present. Something most definitely needs to be done about today's dishwashers and today's non-phosphated dishwasher detergents. I'm seeing results that are downright hazardous to health. |
Post# 655628 , Reply# 17   1/24/2013 at 19:46 (4,106 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 655633 , Reply# 18   1/24/2013 at 20:02 (4,106 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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What no one talks about when resource consumption is under discussion is the incredible wastefulness inherent in cheaply built appliances.
We're all familiar with vintage goods built to an engineering standard, not a price. Good appliances used to be expensive. And what you got for your money was something that lasted a good long time. That not only gave the purchaser value, it also meant it was a long time before that particular household needed to use resources to replace the appliance. A few months ago, I visited an appliance company's premises with another AW.org member; we were just seeing if anything interesting was being discarded. Nothing of vintage interest was getting tossed, but there were several very late-model refrigerators - stainless-steel, french-door, the whole nine yards. Just like what you see on the showroom floor - only dead as doornails, ready to be scrapped. I don't care how little juice such refrigerators use - if they're not going to last more than three or four years, they're hugely wasteful. Same for other appliances. I think we're eventually going to have to mandate longevity if we're really going to save resources. Old refrigerators lasted thirty years - and by rights, today's should too, but they don't. I think we're going to have to penalize manufacturers who keep ripping ores and petrochemicals and precious metals out of the Earth, to squander them on garbage that may have an Energy Star, but which is doomed to early failure. |
Post# 655722 , Reply# 21   1/25/2013 at 04:51 (4,105 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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Post# 655723 , Reply# 22   1/25/2013 at 04:52 (4,105 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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Post# 655724 , Reply# 23   1/25/2013 at 04:56 (4,105 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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Post# 655805 , Reply# 26   1/25/2013 at 15:55 (4,105 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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Post# 655817 , Reply# 27   1/25/2013 at 16:43 (4,105 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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Sandy have you ever had the opportunity to listen to a 14 or older run through a cycle? The whooshing sound as the end of the wash arm moves around the tank and across the door is neat. |
Post# 655818 , Reply# 28   1/25/2013 at 16:53 (4,105 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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Post# 655847 , Reply# 30   1/25/2013 at 19:15 (4,105 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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Hear! Hear! |
Post# 655850 , Reply# 31   1/25/2013 at 19:26 (4,105 days old) by ian_p61 (Melbourne Australia)   |   | |
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I can't wait! I am so excited for my KDs-17! I know it's not particularly water efficient (but I will wash so well) What about its energy usage? And noise level? Thanks All |
Post# 655854 , Reply# 32   1/25/2013 at 19:28 (4,105 days old) by ian_p61 (Melbourne Australia)   |   | |
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Also where should I look for stainless doors for the machine?? Thanks again |
Post# 655962 , Reply# 33   1/26/2013 at 09:25 (4,104 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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I would imagine that you your be more likely to find them in the US as I am sure the great majority of the KD-16 and 17 series machines were sold here. the SS panels will work from any 16 or 17 DW. You should note that KA sold both brushed chrome and real SS panels for these DWs, they look pretty similar. The BC panels are slightly yellow where as the SS has a slight blueish cast, you can easily tell with a magnet as the SS will not attract a magnet. The SS panels were more expensive and I would consider better as the BC panels would often get pretty rusty on the back and because of KAs silly venting of the hot steamy drying air under the bottom of the upper door panel the bottom edge of the top panel often rusted through at the edge.
Two other options for having a SS front would be finding a trim kit for a KA 15,16, or 17 DW and having flat SS cut to fit or you could have the current steel panels repainted at an auto body shop a really nice silver, you may even want to try this yourself. |
Post# 656329 , Reply# 34   1/27/2013 at 17:33 (4,103 days old) by ian_p61 (Melbourne Australia)   |   | |
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Hi all, After what seemed more than 3 days, I picked it up! Yay will post pics tonight! Thanks all |
Post# 656357 , Reply# 35   1/27/2013 at 18:52 (4,103 days old) by ian_p61 (Melbourne Australia)   |   | |
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Looks clean!!! |
Post# 656358 , Reply# 36   1/27/2013 at 18:53 (4,103 days old) by ian_p61 (Melbourne Australia)   |   | |
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Don't worry we do have the kick plate! |
Post# 656359 , Reply# 37   1/27/2013 at 18:54 (4,103 days old) by ian_p61 (Melbourne Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 656360 , Reply# 38   1/27/2013 at 18:56 (4,103 days old) by ian_p61 (Melbourne Australia)   |   | |
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Bit worried about the drying part it looks rusty, can I fix it? Can I still run it though a cycle before I do fix it? Before the first cycle what should I do for a prep?? |
Post# 656395 , Reply# 40   1/27/2013 at 21:57 (4,103 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Cool Find it would be neat to know when it was made, I wounder if your new DW is made much later than they were in the states.
There is no earthly reason to ever have the water coming into a home DW at more than 140F and the Sani hi temperature rinse cycle while neat has very little practical use except to make the dishes dry a little faster, so again to protect the DWs life I wouldn't use it much. Excessively hot water shortens the life of almost every important part of a DW, and newer detergents work very well in water as cool as 120-130F.
I look forward to hearing more about your new DW, John. |
Post# 656396 , Reply# 41   1/27/2013 at 21:59 (4,103 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Cool Find it would be neat to know when it was made, I wounder if your new DW is made much later than they were in the states.
There is no earthly reason to ever have the water coming into a home DW at more than 140F and the Sani hi temperature rinse cycle while neat has very little practical use except to make the dishes dry a little faster, so again to protect the DWs life I wouldn't use it much. Excessively hot water shortens the life of almost every important part of a DW, and newer detergents work very well in water as cool as 120-130F.
I look forward to hearing more about your new DW, John. |
Post# 656445 , Reply# 43   1/28/2013 at 04:31 (4,102 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 656459 , Reply# 45   1/28/2013 at 07:07 (4,102 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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The maximum connected load on the models sold in the US was around 1.4 KW so this Australian model must be very different, COOL.
On the US machines you had two 700 watt heaters combined into one sheath and a 1/2 HP motor that would drawer about 700 watts and the way the machine was designed was to have only any two of these three big power users on at any time so the machine could be run on a 15 AMP 120 volt line.
On my very similar KDS-16 in the mountain house I have it connected to a 20 AMP line so I added a relay to energize the 2nd water heater whenever the timer is calling for water heat from just one heater. Doing this has allowed me to keep the electric water heater set at about 130F and still get great results out of this DW. I have always thought that US DWs should be installed on heavier circuits so they could heat water much faster and get the job done in well less than an hour. |
Post# 656474 , Reply# 47   1/28/2013 at 08:29 (4,102 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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....I have just gotten to the point that when I have something in the top rack that I think might flip I anchor it with something else. Ironically, it's not just plastic that gets flipped. I have these really small glass bowls that I use for prep when I am cooking and those will flip. I can't imagine the water pressure going on in there. I have thought about sticking my hand in to feel the intensity but have never done it.
There was refernce earlier to the RPMs and i think my book said it should be around 50. Last time I counted I got 52 so I could have been off by a couple but seemed pretty close to that. I have a vid that I will post when I figure out how. LOL. I may have to put it on YouTube because I don't know how to post a video here in the forum. Does anyone else know how? |
Post# 656475 , Reply# 48   1/28/2013 at 08:38 (4,102 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 656482 , Reply# 49   1/28/2013 at 09:35 (4,102 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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Here is one I made a while back. It's not the best one but you get the idea. I have one that is longer but I have to do some edits to it before I upload.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO chachp's LINK |
Post# 656558 , Reply# 50   1/28/2013 at 16:25 (4,102 days old) by washer111 ()   |   | |
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As it starts to get water moving, that "Whoooing!" sound and the pulsing squirting sounds really are neat! |
Post# 656600 , Reply# 51   1/28/2013 at 19:16 (4,102 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)   |   | |
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Agree with you Combo52. From what you mention if you take the 700 watts away for the motor, then you are left with 2800 watts to play with. If you leave the heating element for the drying at 700 watts, then the heating element in the cabinet would be 2100 watts.
Washer111, yes that not exactly true, as not all elements would be running at once. The max draw during washing and heating would be 2800 watts leaving 700 watts for the drying. |
Post# 657937 , Reply# 53   2/3/2013 at 20:48 (4,096 days old) by ian_p61 (Melbourne Australia)   |   | |
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I was just wondering would this part fit my machine? CLICK HERE TO GO TO ian_p61's LINK on eBay |
Post# 657972 , Reply# 55   2/4/2013 at 05:13 (4,095 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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Based on my expierence with this machine I don't think it will stop to heat the water except for the Sani Rinse. The element does come on while it's washing to maintain the temperature but this model does not stop to heat before it circulates water. That is of course, unless the models made for your area were designed for cold water fills.
Stevet likely knows better but I know mine wouldn't. |
Post# 657974 , Reply# 56   2/4/2013 at 05:38 (4,095 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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I think that the blower housing on the 15-17 machines is longer than the one you found for sale. The newer ones were made of aluminum for the 18 and later models and did not rust. Note the 15-17 KA DWs had an 1100 watt dry heater and the wattage was dropped to 800 watts when the 18s came out.
You could probably make the newer aluminum heater housing work either by adding some metal or remounting it, this item does not need to be sealed as to be water tight, just reasonably air tight. Unless your blower housing is completely rusted through I would just clean it of rust and paint it with Hi-Temperature aluminum paint. |