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Please reccomend a decent but affordable condenser dryer
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Post# 657093   1/30/2013 at 19:44 (4,074 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Needs to be about the £200 mark, have been looking at the Beko models as they come out with good reviews:

Seen this one:

www.ultimate-appliances.co.uk/bek...

Would love the heat pump model www.ultimate-appliances.co.uk/bek... but I cant really afford the extra to be honest. Even though is only £95 difference. Is there much to be gained from the heat pump models in term off efficiency.

I am most dissapointed with the compact Indesit that has developed a fault and taking ages to dry a load.





Post# 657095 , Reply# 1   1/30/2013 at 19:50 (4,074 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        
Capacity

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Also is it worth buying one with the largest capacity you can afford, difference between 8 & 9kg model is £20 so not much difference.

The larger the drum the more space the clothes have to rotate I think?


Post# 657103 , Reply# 2   1/30/2013 at 20:57 (4,074 days old) by super32 (Blackstone Massachusetts)        

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I have to say Bosch.

Post# 657150 , Reply# 3   1/31/2013 at 02:27 (4,074 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Hi Richard, get the larger drum, yes more room for the clothes to tumble and less creasing!!

If the difference is only £95 on your budget to getting a heat pump dryer, then wait until you can get it, the savings in electricity costs will be worth it,


Post# 657153 , Reply# 4   1/31/2013 at 02:57 (4,074 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
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Richard

I am with Mike on this one, go for the heat pump as it will pay for itself in no time. I got one a month ago (see link below) and I am very pleased with it indeed, lots of useful features and, so far, has performed very well. Bear in mind also that it should accomodate two full loads from your Hoover to fill it in one cycle, which will help reduce cost.

I bought mind on line from Ultimate Appliances - not very good reviews for them but I had no problems and there was not a lot of stock of them around a month ago. It should be better from next week (I was being quoted 4 weeks lead time a month ago) but you will need to move fast as they do not hang around! I paid £328 - delivery included.

By the way, if you should have off peak electricity, the Beko has a delay timer - yesterday I woke up to a dryer full or perfectly dried washing at a fraction of the normal cost

Al


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Post# 657162 , Reply# 5   1/31/2013 at 03:47 (4,074 days old) by fido ()        

As I said in your other thread, I would go for the White Knight.

Post# 657197 , Reply# 6   1/31/2013 at 11:28 (4,073 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        
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I have found the heat pump dryer for £315 including delivery! See link below.

Its an 8kg drum and approx £90 higher in budget than the standard heating element condenser dryer from Beko. The other two Beko dryers I was looking at are 8kg & 9kg with a difference in £20. Is there much difference in an 8kg & 9kg drum?

Given that my hoover is a 4kg drum 2 loads would fill the 8kg?

Enjoyed reading the post on the Beko heat pump dryer and the place I got the indesit from say they will refund me the cost of it.


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Post# 657198 , Reply# 7   1/31/2013 at 11:42 (4,073 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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So its rounded down to 3 models:

DCU 8230 8kg £209.90: www.sonicdirect.co.uk/Award-Winni...

DCU 9330W 9kg £229.94: www.sonicdirect.co.uk/Dryers/Beko...

DCU 8360W 8kg heat pump @ £339.95:www.sonicdirect.co.uk/Dryers/Beko...

However found the heatpump dryer at £315 inc delivery here: www.ultimate-appliances.co.uk/bek...

So what do you think guys, which one do I go for? Always been wary of Beko but it looks a decent quality dryer.


Post# 657231 , Reply# 8   1/31/2013 at 13:14 (4,073 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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4 hours left on the heat pump dryer at that price, I need to make a decision lol!

Post# 657233 , Reply# 9   1/31/2013 at 13:16 (4,073 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
If your budget allows...

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Get the heat pump model, you`ll save in energy costs and at the rate they are going up that could be quite a bit!!



Post# 657236 , Reply# 10   1/31/2013 at 13:23 (4,073 days old) by suds (Brisbane, Australia)        
Richard...

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...heat pump mate, Mike makes a valid comment about electricity and people often forget about the water used for a conventional condensor which if You are on a meter will end up costing too. The heat pump is kinder to your clothes and the environment.

Let us know!

B


Post# 657239 , Reply# 11   1/31/2013 at 13:30 (4,073 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Think will get the heat pump model then.

Is there much diff between 8&9kg drum size?

Also does the heat pump add much heat to the room.


Post# 657241 , Reply# 12   1/31/2013 at 13:37 (4,073 days old) by suds (Brisbane, Australia)        
Heat pump...

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I don't reckon there is any physical difference between the 8 & 9 kg, with the AEG's it's software fiddling, the capacities are identical (112L) so would not pay more for larger. There is some dry heat released into the room but its well within comfort levels and makes it smell nice :)

Post# 657248 , Reply# 13   1/31/2013 at 13:58 (4,073 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
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Thats where I got it from, its just a bit cheaper now.

The company reviews are not very good (I had no problem) so PAY FOR IT ON A CREDIT CARD so you can have extra protection if they screw up.

It does not add much heat at all to the room, less than my old Hotpoint.

Its the 8kg model which comes with heat pump, thats the one to get mate

Al


Post# 657290 , Reply# 14   1/31/2013 at 15:03 (4,073 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        
DONE

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Placed the order on that website for the heat pump model, hope I have done the right thing...

I guess as it uses lower temperatures its better for clothes etc... does it actually take longer to dry clothes because of the lower temp? I guess the air is dryer as it removes the moisture from the air due to the refrigeration circuit?

Theres no space in the kitchen as the compact was in the cupboard under the counter so this is going to go in the cupboard in my bedroom (walk in wardrobe) that way can keep an eye on housemate who likes to have it running for many hours at a time.







Post# 657292 , Reply# 15   1/31/2013 at 15:06 (4,073 days old) by suds (Brisbane, Australia)        
Welcome...

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...to the heat pump club! Look forward to your reviews. I have found the drying times to be shorter, not massively though. Just keep the cupboard door open when you run it as it still needs some air.

B
:)


Post# 657304 , Reply# 16   1/31/2013 at 15:50 (4,073 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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The cupboard is a very cold cupboard so I imagine the warmth will do it good as all my clothes are hung in there and sometimes they feel very cold.

£315 vs the price of £120 for the compact is nearlly £195 more expensive so I hope it is worth it.

Several people and family are saying they would avoid Beko... I have heat pump air con in my house and that saves money so I think if they are well made machines and reliable then should be no issues.

Also more fire safe as they dont use heating elements.


Post# 657322 , Reply# 17   1/31/2013 at 16:59 (4,073 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
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Richard
It does use an element, but as it re-cycles the hot air the loading required can be lower. A full 8kg load would probably take about three hours set to cupboard dry with your 1100 Hoover, a bit less if you choose iron dry and a bit more if you choose extra dry. But dont forget that is equivalent to two loads from your Hoover.

i have used both iron and cupboard and they have been exactly as described, I have not used extra dry yet. Tangling appears to be much improved over my old Hotpoint and the clotes seem to be much less "fried" and harly any static at all - I do not use fabric softner nor dryer sheets. And, as I said you can use the delay start for night time operation - it tumbles the clothes occasionally both before the cycle and after the end so it is just a matter of a bit of organisation.

I am very satisified with mine, I am sure you will be too.

Al


Post# 657323 , Reply# 18   1/31/2013 at 17:04 (4,073 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
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Richard,

Although you can use it in a similar way to conventional dryers (set the time and leave it) this does have programmed drying for different fabrics and circumstances. the instructions are pretty comprehensive on this so i suggest that you photocopy the relevant sheets and put them on the back of the cupboard door or something. Its simple enough as long as the instructions are followed. Like any drier it is most efficinet when running at or close to capacity so make sure they are not running it to dry one t shirt


Post# 657329 , Reply# 19   1/31/2013 at 17:33 (4,073 days old) by SeamusUK (Dover Kent UK)        
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Hey Richard
You have made the right choice in my opinion as well. I was lucky enough to get a Miele at a REALLY good price and really cant fault it. It dries in roughly the same time as the Electrolux condenser it replaced did on low setting(always used that as I prefer not to bake clothes). It creases less and saves 40% on the electricity bill so whats not to like:).
If I was buying on a budget I would have no hesitation in buying the Beko- it looks great for the ££
Seamus


Post# 657351 , Reply# 20   1/31/2013 at 20:11 (4,073 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Thanks guys. What's the power input then and why does it use an element if heat is generated from the air via the element?

Post# 657367 , Reply# 21   2/1/2013 at 00:21 (4,073 days old) by SeamusUK (Dover Kent UK)        
Cant speak for the Beko...

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Hey Richard
The Miele is rated at 1.5kw so much lower than a normal condenser :)
Seamus


Post# 657371 , Reply# 22   2/1/2013 at 01:27 (4,073 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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According to the website where I bought it from under specs it says rated 2.68kwh

This perhaps means the output of the heat pump though. Not nessersary the input.


Post# 657588 , Reply# 23   2/2/2013 at 07:07 (4,071 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Took the indesit compact back to sonic yesterday. They tried to get me to buy one of the beko models I had listed as they didn't have the heat pump one in stock. I told them even if they still had it in stock they would have been more expensive than where I have purchased from.

Tried to do my fellas washing yesterday. 4 loads in the Hoover and was still trying to dry this morning over radiators! Put towels out yesterday at midday they were still wet at 8pm last night!!!


Post# 657593 , Reply# 24   2/2/2013 at 08:28 (4,071 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
4 Loads!

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Are you sure he is not taking in washing for the whole street! To be honest, if I had that much to dry I would take it to the launderette and dry it there.

Got a load in the Beko now:
Kingsize duvet
2 kingsize bottom sheets
4 pillow cases
12 T shirts
12 Underpants
About 12 handkerchief

I did this lot as two loads in the Miele (I might have pushed it as one load) - doing fine :)

Al


Post# 657629 , Reply# 25   2/2/2013 at 12:19 (4,071 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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He has horses so is at stables twice a day so has two changes of clothes morning and evening then usual work stuff and clothes in between plus a couple of towels!

Here's his typical wash basket the first time I did it all!


Post# 657653 , Reply# 26   2/2/2013 at 14:31 (4,071 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Blimey!!

I thought mine got through lots of washing even without the horses but I can see now why your door boot ends up groaning.

Great choice going for the heat pump. I bought a John Lewis heat pump dryer about 4/5 years ago and it's been great in terms of energy saving (I work in energy which is why I justified the expense and the reason for getting a dryer at the time as well having underfloor heating which meant no radiators).

The only downside of mine is that it is not so great at retaining all the moisture though but I'm sure the new machines are much better. I've noticed that I can put anything in the dryer too and it doesn't shrink or damage so it seems the lower temp helps.

Lets us know when you get it

Cheers
Stephen


Post# 657669 , Reply# 27   2/2/2013 at 16:12 (4,071 days old) by suds (Brisbane, Australia)        
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...a fellow AEG fan :)

You say you have had a heat pump for about 5 years, how long have they been about? I was under the impression they were fairly new. Would like to see a pic of your John Lewis dryer. Their current range of laundry appliances are Electrolux/AEG sourced was it the same when you got yours?

:)
B


Post# 657796 , Reply# 28   2/3/2013 at 07:49 (4,070 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Yes Stephen, 5 loads on the floor in piles and 1 in the washer already!

Saving all my washing up and just changed bedding and looking forward to the dryer arriving next week!


Post# 657804 , Reply# 29   2/3/2013 at 08:32 (4,070 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Hi Richard

Well it will certainly be put through its paces and you should save a small fortune on the leccy bill!!

Hi Brendon

Yes this is basically an AEG model - they also had a heat pump dryer out at the same time and I think it was the first on the market. I think I got it in 2007 and it cost £500. I remember Which? reviewing it. Not sure if they went back to the drawing board for a while as I hadn't see it in the shops more recently. Still going strong but the fluff is beginning to build on the heat exchanger so might look to try a thorough clean in the summer.


Post# 657808 , Reply# 30   2/3/2013 at 08:44 (4,070 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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I have it in a cupboard in the living room at the moment as i re-fitted the kitchen with built in appliances to sell it. It's on top of the Meile which isn't plumbed in.

Post# 657841 , Reply# 31   2/3/2013 at 11:40 (4,070 days old) by suds (Brisbane, Australia)        
Nice..

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...control panel Steve, I like all the buttons. So you have had quire a few years good service out of it then, that' s good to know. How do you clean your heat exchanger - what does this "thorough clean" consist of. Also how old is that Miele below the dryer in the pic.


Richard - lol lucky you, I seem to run out of laundry to play with quite regularly. How old it that Hoover? I used a similar one approx 15 years ago whilst house sitting -was very impressed with its purposeful sound and high water levels! You have any vids of it running?

B
:)


Post# 657852 , Reply# 32   2/3/2013 at 13:09 (4,070 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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It's about 35 years old lol!

Advice re cleaning the condenser - I work in air con and the condenser is known in the business as the "evaporator" best way to clean it is with vacuum cleaner but do not press the fins they damage easily.

Also you can clean them by spraying a spray bottle of water to flush anything out but vacuum first otherwise you will push the lint further into the coil.


Post# 658084 , Reply# 33   2/4/2013 at 17:07 (4,069 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Already having trouble with ultimate appliances. Rang them last week to ask when delivery date was they said they was getting them in today (Monday 4th) and would be delivered Wed 6th to me. Now they are saying they getting them in this week and they will be dispatched next week to me.

So I have had to do 2 washes today and have it hanging up all over the place! Will leave bedding & towels till next week.



Post# 658445 , Reply# 34   2/6/2013 at 11:49 (4,067 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Had a call today dryer will be delivered between 4&7pm on Friday! Just in time for the weekend :)

Post# 658451 , Reply# 35   2/6/2013 at 12:32 (4,067 days old) by hoovermatic (UK)        

....people often forget about the water used for a conventional condensor which if You are on a meter will end up costing too........

Pardon my ignorance but what do you mean by this? I have had a condenser dryer for 14 years and this statement has me scratching my head! Thanks


Post# 658465 , Reply# 36   2/6/2013 at 13:48 (4,067 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Me tinks...

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Suds is equating it the usage of a washer dryer which as you know when using the condenser dryer uses large amounts of water which most people are not aware of!!

Post# 658494 , Reply# 37   2/6/2013 at 15:31 (4,067 days old) by suds (Brisbane, Australia)        
Oops....

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...yes, totally forgot that it was on the washer dryer! Apologies. Ok then I have a question how does a condensor dryer work then?! I obviously am out of my depth - will keep quiet now ;)

B
:)


Post# 658517 , Reply# 38   2/6/2013 at 17:01 (4,067 days old) by hoovermatic (UK)        
Thanks for the explanation guys!

......years ago (1996) I rented a washer dryer from Radio Rentals (remember them?) but rarely used the dryer as it was so small capacity (4.5 lbs) and took HOURS!! I was on a water meter then but had no idea that it actually USED water in the drying process - maybe just as well I didn't use it lol! As far as I am aware the moist air from the drying clothes passes over the many fins of the condenser unit and the water drains into the reservoir. I am sure that is a hideously simplistic explanation but that seems to be it as far as I can see!

Post# 658561 , Reply# 39   2/6/2013 at 19:05 (4,067 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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A condenser dryer works by passing the hot moist air of the condenser (similar to the cold coil known as the evaporator in an air con unit). This is the cartridge cassette you pull out to clean every so often.

This cartridge has wide flat tubes that overlep each other and run from top to bottom and left to right but they dont join up. Hot moist air is pulled through one set of tubes running usually the longest way of the condenser cartridge and fan sucks room temperature air thruogh the other set of tubes. This cools the cartridge down to dew point (similar to a glass of ice cold water on a hot day) and the moisture in the hot air sticks to the cooler surface. This is then collected in the water tank or drained away. The cooled dryer air then recirculated back through the heating elements and back into the dryer. As the room temperature air is the "refrigerant" in this case it is not that good as a cooling medium which is why condenser dryers have bad press at being slow.

IN a heat pump dryer the condenser cartridge is replaced by an evaporator coil identical to that of an air con or dehumidifier system. A cooling circuit setup the same as in an air con system is plumbed into the dryer with refrigerant running through the evaporator this brings the evaporator coil down to a very cold temperature and is much more efficient at removing the moisture from the damp hot air. After the evaporator coil is the condenser coil (hot side or outdoor coil in an air con unit). This is setup in the same way as a dehumidifier with a compressor.. the cold dry air is then reheated back upto temperature and makes it way back into the dryer to repeat the cycle.

I found this also:

ths.gardenweb.com/faq/lists/laund...



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Post# 658580 , Reply# 40   2/6/2013 at 19:59 (4,067 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        
Which review of the John Lewis version of heat pump BEKO

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Just signed upto which so copied and pasted from their site: To be honest its got me worried at this bit - "If you put a small 3kg load of cottons in the drum, you'll not see your laundry again for an hour and 55 minutes - 45 minutes longer than the average drying time for this amount of clothes."

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The Beko DP8045CW is the first heat pump condenser tumble dryer that we've tested that costs less than £500. Typically heat pump tumble dryers like these can halve running costs compared to standard condenser and vented dryers - but has Beko cut corners to make a heat pump dryer this cheap? Find out if it's worth buying and what it'll add to your energy bills in our review below.

This heat pump tumble dryer may cost a lot less to run compared to non-heat pump dryers, but it's very noisy and drying times are around average, reducing to sluggish if you're not drying a full load. As such, it doesn't have what it takes to be a Which? Best Buy.

What is it?
This striking looking dryer can hold a healthy 8kg of laundry, which is great if you have a large busy household that has a lot of clothes to dry.

A child lock option is on hand to stop nippers from changing the program selection mid-cycle, and a light inside in the drum will help you spot any rogue garments hoping to stay hidden.

The heat-pump technology behind this dryer means it costs a lot less to run compared to a regular condenser dryer. This is because heat pumps re-circulate the same air - which uses a lot less power.

It will condenser the moisture taken from your laundry into a water reservoir - which you'll need to empty regularly. A hose is supplied with this machine to connect it directly to a water waste pipe - using it saves you the effort of manually emptying the reservoir.

What's it great at?
This machine doesn't excel at much, but it does at least dry loads impressively evenly, meaning you won't find rogue wet socks mixed in with crispy shirts and tea towels.

Its better than average at trapping moisture from the laundry, stopping vapour leaking out of your machine and keeping your home from becoming a steam room whenever you're doing the drying.

The large opening into the drum makes it easy to get your laundry in and out, and the filters are easy to change. You should also find this machine very intuitive to use, so you won't need to reach for the instruction manual too often.

Is there anything I should watch out for?
It's much noisier than the average dryer. You'll want to hide this dryer away behind a closed door when it's on, and if you've got open plan living there are quieter models available.

As is common with heat pump machines, this one's running costs are much lower than standard condenser or vented dryers, but it's still more wasteful than the average heat pump machine we've tested. See the 'Full specification' tab below for an estimate of the full running costs.

If you put a small 3kg load of cottons in the drum, you'll not see your laundry again for an hour and 55 minutes - 45 minutes longer than the average drying time for this amount of clothes.

It wont smooth creases out of shirts, so this isn't a dryer that will help you escape the ironing.

Should I buy it?
Heat pump condenser tumble dryers for less than £500 are rare - but there are much better models available. If you are after a dryer with a heat pump, it may be worth spending that little bit more to get a superior model.

Pros: Low running costs, laundry evenly dried, good at trapping moisture, easy to use

Cons: Slow when drying small amounts of laundry, very noisy, shirts left fairly creased


Post# 658586 , Reply# 41   2/6/2013 at 20:02 (4,067 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Why would they say its poor for half loads? Surely it would dry them quicker as there is less clothes and more space to tumble?

Post# 658631 , Reply# 42   2/7/2013 at 00:40 (4,067 days old) by SeamusUK (Dover Kent UK)        
Which??

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They talk a load of crap most of the time there is no way any dryer is going to take that amount of time to dry 3kg!!!

Seamus


Post# 658632 , Reply# 43   2/7/2013 at 00:41 (4,067 days old) by SeamusUK (Dover Kent UK)        
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See Als thread for the noise question- its different because of the compressor but not noisy!!!


Post# 658633 , Reply# 44   2/7/2013 at 00:42 (4,067 days old) by SeamusUK (Dover Kent UK)        
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See Als thread for the noise question- its different because of the compressor but not noisy!!!


Post# 658634 , Reply# 45   2/7/2013 at 00:45 (4,067 days old) by SeamusUK (Dover Kent UK)        
Link to Als thread

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As its in the archives...

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Post# 658652 , Reply# 46   2/7/2013 at 04:06 (4,067 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
Which

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Richard

I had already read this report, and I will admit it did give me some concern before I bought my dryer. The first point to note is that this is not the machine you have purchased (perhaps old stock as it is not listed on Beko web site) - and your machine is approx. £100 cheaper than this model from JL.

I did consider the JL models also but without a review of them I could not see that they offered any particular advantage over the Beko and just about half the price of the 8kg model.

I can only re-iterate what I have said before and this machine continues to satisify me. Up this thread I have noted what is pretty much a typical load for me. All I can say is that when it was done (2hrs 35min later) everything was evenly dried, with no damp spots on things like the duvet cover and sheets which normally get tangled, but did not for me. As I noted before the clothes do not seem "fried" and I have not noticed the static buildup that I used to get with my old Hotpoint. As has been noted elsewhere shrinkage seems to be less too - with the Hotpoint I would not dry T shirts in it due to the shrinkage (I am tall and believe me, crop top is not a good look on me) but I took the chance with the Beko and all was fine.

As you can see above there are various programmes, and some of these are for smaller capacities than the 8kg, but I am a mean git so I have not used any of these yet. And you can over ride the programmes too and use an old fashioned timer option too, but I have not felt the need to do so.

The Which report comments about ironing, well I do not tumble dry items as a means of avoiding ironing (oh that I could!) but I do like the fact that the display will indicate when the drying level has reached "iron dry" on its way to cupboard dry so that items can be removed if they want ironing (like pillow cases for me). Iron dry is exactly what it says, just damp enough for easy ironing, cupboard dry is ready to be put away. I have not used the extra dry setting yet, I have not needed to.

As for the noise, it has not bothered me - its much the same as the old Hotpoint. You say you are going to use yours in a cupboard so it should be fine, although if its in your bedroom that might be an issue, (it is not for me, I could have a herd of elephants tramping round my bedroom - a herd of "bears" would be preferable though - and I would not wake up) but you have the benefit of a timer to start it up when it should be least disruptive.

I thought long and hard about this before making the purchase, especially as my "default" brand is Miele, which get the best buy rating. As I stated at the begninning of this thread, given the amount of use I expect to give a dryer I felt I could not justify the cost of a Miele or even the somewhat cheaper Siemens models. I would expect them to be better (they are a bit cheaper to run apparently) but not having used them I cannot comment.

Currently I am very happy with my purchase, it seems to me to work better than my 10 year old Hotpoint. I cannot say that it has the build quality of a Miele, but for the price it seemed very satisfactory to me. To me the "problem" you might have with it is that, to get the best from it and its ecomony, you will be need two loads from your washing machine to fill it, if you are used to drying one load while washing the next, then its a bit of a culture change, but nothing more than that - and I think overall, although the drying times might seem longer, in fact they are less because you are drying one load rather than two. i do not think you will be disappointed with it.

Oh, one final point, it is a good deal heavier than a normal drier, so it will probably take two of you to get it into place.

Al


Post# 658660 , Reply# 47   2/7/2013 at 06:31 (4,066 days old) by suds (Brisbane, Australia)        
Thanks...

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...for the info Richard! Very informative! I assumed all condenser dryers used water as a refrigerant (forgetting that they are not plumbed in like a washer-dryer doh! ) So only circa 24 hours before your delivery - do you feel like a child on Christmas eve!? :D

B
:)


Post# 658665 , Reply# 48   2/7/2013 at 07:43 (4,066 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Why is it better to dry a full load in these dryers then? Surely the less clothes the better all round?

Yes very excited just get it to me lol!


Post# 658864 , Reply# 49   2/8/2013 at 03:14 (4,066 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
Twas the Morning off the DAY

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Morning Richard spect you have been up since 5 and all excited :-)

Post# 658879 , Reply# 50   2/8/2013 at 07:24 (4,065 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Hi Gary!

Yes it should be here between 4&7 hoping they come earlier as I've started washing this afternoon.

One question as it contains refrigeration circuit is it best to let it stand for a while before using like you would with a fridge/freezer?


Post# 658884 , Reply# 51   2/8/2013 at 08:04 (4,065 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
Standing

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Richard

When they delivered mine they were about 30 minutes into the (morning) time slot.

It says in the instructions that you need to leave it stand, I left mine about 48 hours (just me being lazy) - I dont think it says that long in the instructions.

Looking forward to hearing what you think of it.

Al


Post# 658900 , Reply# 52   2/8/2013 at 08:52 (4,065 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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It says 12 hours in the manual if it has been transported horizontally. So will ask the delivery company if its been laid on its side at any point.

Post# 658937 , Reply# 53   2/8/2013 at 12:07 (4,065 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Well it's here! And it's not that noisy in fact it's the sort of white noise I could fall asleep to!

Started with my bedding on a cupboard dry cottons cycle. It told me 2:55 mins for completion so far the air temp inside the dryer is upto nearly 30c so I think a lot of the cycle is spent getting the drum upto temp as no element assist it. I started it from outside temp of 3c straight when I unpacked it from the van..

I've put a temperature probe inside the filter door to monitor that the compressor is working properly. Energy use on my energy monitor reads 680watts! Big difference from 2-3kw the other dryer used!

Here's a couple of pics:


Post# 658938 , Reply# 54   2/8/2013 at 12:09 (4,065 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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And temp sensor:

Post# 658940 , Reply# 55   2/8/2013 at 12:16 (4,065 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Energy meter shot:

Post# 658950 , Reply# 56   2/8/2013 at 13:02 (4,065 days old) by suds (Brisbane, Australia)        
Woo- hoo!

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Congrats mr! I love all gadgets to measure everything (most of its Greek to me) great fun! So no letting it stand for 12 hours to rest eh? ;)

Happy (efficient ) tumbling!

B
:)


Post# 658957 , Reply# 57   2/8/2013 at 13:12 (4,065 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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It's telling me there's half an hour left of drying and it's upto 40c what I have noticed is that the bounce tumble dryer sheet doesn't work as the dryer doesn't get hot enough to activate it. No great issue at all though and much gentler drying.

Post# 658961 , Reply# 58   2/8/2013 at 13:41 (4,065 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Hi Richard, Glad it arrived and is working okay, let us know what the finish time is, mind you are pulling the washing out of the 1100rpm Hoover so will be longer than Als 1400rpm spin...

And PLEASE never use those wax dryer sheets in a condenser or heat pump dryer, all that wax gets into the heater coils (as does toooo much fabric conditioner, and you must know how quick coils and fins get mucked up from air con systems!!


Post# 658969 , Reply# 59   2/8/2013 at 14:21 (4,065 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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For my bedding, king size sheet, duvet cover, and 4 pillow cases took 1.5hours. I had the spin setting set to 1000 as no option for 1100 and thought would be more accurate than setting to 1200.

Put in another load now mixed stuff such as bath mats and jeans and t shirts etc. wondering if should have used the mix load program?

The dryer sheets don't work anyway the heat doesn't get hot enough to activate the wax so will use them for making the rooms smell nice over the radiators.


Post# 658983 , Reply# 60   2/8/2013 at 15:01 (4,065 days old) by suds (Brisbane, Australia)        
Enjoy...

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....and try and get some sleep tonight ;)

Post# 658990 , Reply# 61   2/8/2013 at 15:29 (4,065 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Next load was 1:33 long and cost 13p! Question re the cool down at the end the compressor seems to keep running right up until the end of the cycle suggesting no cool down happens. Air temp was thx same also in the dryer 38c and didn't drop.

Post# 659088 , Reply# 62   2/9/2013 at 00:39 (4,065 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
Richard

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13p is great, but for those of us in other parts of the world, how many KW is that?

Post# 659101 , Reply# 63   2/9/2013 at 04:06 (4,065 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Well it uses approx 700 watts per your so hour and half to do a load is approx 1.1kw.

Post# 659102 , Reply# 64   2/9/2013 at 04:09 (4,065 days old) by HotpointFan (United Kingdom)        
Richard

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Congratulations on getting your new dryer! The load cycles are very cheap I see!
Anyway, how do you rate Sonic Direct, I noticed you had some bother with them when you returned the Indesit. I was looking at their website and saw that they had a Gorenje 8kg washing machine at a very good price. Would you reccomend them?

Thanks, Jacob


Post# 659105 , Reply# 65   2/9/2013 at 04:23 (4,065 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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I would recommend them as customer service was fantastic.

No problems retuning indesit at end of day it was manufactures warranty yet they still could have told me to take it up with them. I got a full refund however.


Post# 659181 , Reply# 66   2/9/2013 at 12:44 (4,064 days old) by dyson2drums (United Kingdom)        

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Quite impressed with this Beko heat pump tumble dryer!

Doesn't seem to take too long to dry and especially for the amount of energy it uses. Our Hotpoint ultima takes around 1 hour and 20 minutes or an 1 hour and 40 minutes on very big loads but uses a lot of energy.

If the Hotpoint packs up i'd definitely consider this tumble dryer, woould love to hear how long it takes with a large load (probably will be 2 loads from your Hoover washing machine).

All the best with the new dryer :)

Jacob, have a look at powerdirect.co.uk for Gorenje washing machines, they seem to have good prices too.


Post# 659218 , Reply# 67   2/9/2013 at 16:19 (4,064 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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I will be doing some bigger washes on Monday so will report back back with cost, time & energy use.

Had the dryer fitted into the units today by my partners dad. Had to have one of the cupboards removed to get it in but fellas dad used to be kitchen fitter so he sorted it and used the free space down side to make a cupboard.


Post# 659243 , Reply# 68   2/9/2013 at 17:29 (4,064 days old) by dyson2drums (United Kingdom)        

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Excellent use of the space left on the side, we had that done when we first got a dishwasher and a cupboard was removed so the local handyman made a little cupboard next to it to put detergent etc in.

Looks fab! :)


Post# 659252 , Reply# 69   2/9/2013 at 17:47 (4,064 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Beko Heat Pump Dryer

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Great looking dryer but could you not have had it hidden behind the existing cupboard door. I guess the depth of the dryer didn't make that possible.

Post# 659321 , Reply# 70   2/10/2013 at 03:19 (4,064 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Nope the depth wouldn't allow for that and he checked that anyway and it wasn't possible.

Not fussed about it being hidden anyway its a decent looking piece of kit.


Post# 659322 , Reply# 71   2/10/2013 at 03:22 (4,064 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Nowthen....

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What To Do ?

Stickers left on or off ?


Post# 659325 , Reply# 72   2/10/2013 at 04:07 (4,064 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Hmmm not sure what do u think? I usually leave them on for a few weeks lol.

Post# 659329 , Reply# 73   2/10/2013 at 04:35 (4,064 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Double Edged Sword...

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Richard, Cant stand them on new stuff (thats my stuff) but want to find them on vintage stuff....LOl - you could take them off and store them on a plastic lever file, then when it makes a vintage age, stick em back on and sell it for your pension pot...Just a thought!!

Post# 659523 , Reply# 74   2/11/2013 at 00:44 (4,063 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Did an 8 kg load of mixed cottons, t shirts, jeans, towels. It took 2:40 minutes costing 23p of electric approx.

Everything wonderfully dry no damp patches at all. Really happy with this machine as it uses a lower temp to dry clothes and drying times are not much more as it is so efficient at condensing the water out of the air inside.

My towels were so fluffy I could not get them back in the cabinet all stacked high! I think clothes feel really fresh and smell fresh too much more than they did on the other which tended to lose the smell of the fabric softener or if you was cooking you would get the smell of the food into the clothes.


Post# 659646 , Reply# 75   2/11/2013 at 14:53 (4,062 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
Richard

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Sounds like a keeper then!

I commented to my partner about your experiences with this and have categorically stated that when our dryer dies, we'll be getting one....

He's not impressed by the initial cost however as it's about $1700/GBP1000...


Post# 659664 , Reply# 76   2/11/2013 at 16:10 (4,062 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Did a load of bedding today Egyptian cotton I have two sets of the same did it the other day they came out cupboard dry did a load today and they came out damp so unsure as to why they came out damp still.

Previous load to that a few t shirts came out damp also filters were clean on both occasions.


Post# 659794 , Reply# 77   2/12/2013 at 02:46 (4,062 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Hope there isn't a problem with it.

Post# 659801 , Reply# 78   2/12/2013 at 04:31 (4,062 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        

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The big question is, and I'm not trying to be funny, did you do everything the same as before?

I know you need to 'dial in' the spin speed etc. and did you choose the same programme as previously?


Post# 659803 , Reply# 79   2/12/2013 at 05:03 (4,062 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
beko

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Hi Richard , did you use the "normal Dry" setting? or Damp Dry,

Does this dryer have heat setting as well as the sensor setting, With The Zug you set the sensor setting, say normal dry but then you can also set lower temp or much lower temp setting which is great for synthetics delicates and woollens..


Post# 659806 , Reply# 80   2/12/2013 at 05:49 (4,062 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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For sensor programs i have iron dry, cupboard dry & extra dry. These options appear for both synthetics or cottons.

Both times I used cupboard dry first times everything dry perfectly enough to put away yet this time I've had to put back over the door the sheet and duvet cover.

Both times it's been on cottons cupboard dry.


Post# 659807 , Reply# 81   2/12/2013 at 05:52 (4,062 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Being a heat pump as hot as it gets on cottons is probably the temp of a lower heat setting on a standard electric dryer. So not sure how it regulates temp any further all it shows if you put it on synthetics cupboard dry is a lower program estimate time of arrival. I imagine if you put cottons in on that program the sensors would keep adjusting the ETA during the program and the cycle would last longer.

Post# 659808 , Reply# 82   2/12/2013 at 05:54 (4,062 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Was It

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back to back programme drying, wonder if the heat pump hadnt settled after the first load, they are so very different from using a normal dryer - I found that after a few loads its best for it to cool down and "re-set" itself....

Post# 659810 , Reply# 83   2/12/2013 at 05:58 (4,062 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Sensors

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work in two different ways either heat level controls or think of it like Hoover Autosense dryers, no low temperature that you can set, just starts on the higher heat and adjusts the temperature down as the sensors start to read!!

The Zug gives you the choice of not automatically having the high heat all the time!!


Post# 659816 , Reply# 84   2/12/2013 at 06:08 (4,062 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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I don't know how the compressor regulates its temp its either on or off no in between and takes a good ten mins before output reAched again after pausing cycle. Remember this is a dehumidifier setup inside a dryer.

Yes it was back to back loads but was fine the day before.


Post# 659817 , Reply# 85   2/12/2013 at 06:28 (4,061 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Remember

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Yes I know all that with bobs on, but at the end of cycle, you will here the heat pump de-energise, same as start up, you hear the heat pump energise (sounds like a boiler ignighting and gurgling, quietly) before the drum starts to turn at all etc...

My question is did you do a few loads back to back, take any load out before the timer and sensors had finished the programme completely and cooled down accordingly, and the heat pump re-set itself?


Post# 659819 , Reply# 86   2/12/2013 at 06:42 (4,061 days old) by suds (Brisbane, Australia)        
Cottons extra dry...

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Is what I use to get stuff ready for immediate packing away straight out of the dryer on my AEG heat pump. Besides the iron, cupboard and extra dry I am amble to select ( only found this feature a fair way into ownership ) an added dryness level in 2 stages "dry + " and " dry ++" effectively adding on another 2 levels of dryness which gets the seams and everything dry....I have only used this on the cottons extra dry program and thinking to myself as I'm typing this whether it would work well on the cupboard dry setting too, will check when I do the towels and bedlinen on Thursday, I may be wasting energy.

Without the "dry ++" setting there is , as you say Richard, the slightest bit of dampness that short hanging up will sort but I tumble dry so that I don't have to hang things up! :)

I also attempt to never open/ pause the program whilst underway as it does seem to take a while to "get back up to speed" , drying a heavy load of towels I noticed the extra radiator fan turning on an off which is situated at the bottom right next to the door for the filters, apparently this assists the heat pump to avoid overheating - again I 'm feeling though that you guys are way more up to speed on the mechanicals than I am.

B
:)


Post# 659820 , Reply# 87   2/12/2013 at 06:55 (4,061 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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The fan on the bottom of the beko runs after 5 mins if cycle start and runs right thorough to compressor turning off before cool down cycle.

It's to keep the compressor cool.

So what's point in cupboard dry then if you have to use extra dry? Also why did first few loads work perfectly?


Post# 659822 , Reply# 88   2/12/2013 at 06:58 (4,061 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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On the beko the compressor starts up after about 3 minutes by this point the drum already been turning.

No didn't do anything different.


Post# 659827 , Reply# 89   2/12/2013 at 07:08 (4,061 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Ah Right.......

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Richard interesting, Al does yours start in the same way?

Seamus what does the Miele Heat Pump Do, fan, pump then drum turn?



Post# 659829 , Reply# 90   2/12/2013 at 07:16 (4,061 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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This Is usually compressor protection same way as your fridge won't start for 3 minutes after being turned off or on. It's to protect the compressor.

Post# 659837 , Reply# 91   2/12/2013 at 07:56 (4,061 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Are The

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Different readings and dryness levels since you had the heat pump dryer fitted in between the units?

Post# 659840 , Reply# 92   2/12/2013 at 08:04 (4,061 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Yes

Post# 659848 , Reply# 93   2/12/2013 at 08:16 (4,061 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
You might.....

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want to check the air inlet and see its not restricted, might just be a too hot ambient temperature around it after a few loads...

Post# 659851 , Reply# 94   2/12/2013 at 08:29 (4,061 days old) by suds (Brisbane, Australia)        
The AEG's fan....

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...turns on an off during the cycle I find, not at any determinable frequency -seems to be as needed. I have also wondered what the need for cupboard versus extra dry is for, I don't see why there would be a difference. Maybe the extra dry is for items that one knows are thicker/ heavier and needs some extract time as I suppose the sensors can only do that much. My bedlinen cycle (which reverses the drum to avoid "balling-up") also needs to run with the "dry +" to get things just nicely dry (not fried).

So Richard I had initial dampness hassles to but remedied that by fiddling/selecting extra options - not quite sure tho what's happening your side as you are using the exact same program - sorry :(

Also want to put this question out to you bunch of genius' :)
Apparently water hardness affects the drying efficiency , my manual states there are 3 levels to choose from (which can be selected by pressing various combos of buttons to "program" the level on the control panel ) it doesn't however state which level suits which level of water hardness - is level one for hard or soft water - as my water is very hard I'm guessing the medium/no2/middle setting is probably wrong. Any ideas? There are 3 symbols (seems to be something llke parts per million!?) next to each level in the manual but again not stated which suits which.


B
:)


Post# 659867 , Reply# 95   2/12/2013 at 10:50 (4,061 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Extra Dry...

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Hi Brandon, Extra Dry is only usually used for very thick items or jeans with thick seams to make sure they are dry, using Extra on most clothing will result in over dried fabrics, unless you setting have started to give lower readings over the years being used...again some programmes have a + / - of a few degrees, the machine dry settings on the Zug tend to leave linens too damp for my liking...so the degrees of change is good..

I have seen many auto sensor condenser dryers loose their efficiency to dry to the required degree settings over a number of years when there has been build up on the sensors or fluff. lint and waxy debree on the fans and condensers.




Post# 659883 , Reply# 96   2/12/2013 at 11:59 (4,061 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
Technology

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this new technology is amazing, look at the way this machine can sense the load :-)

Post# 659906 , Reply# 97   2/12/2013 at 14:00 (4,061 days old) by suds (Brisbane, Australia)        
Intelligent ..

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..load sensing -brilliant ha ha ha

Post# 659907 , Reply# 98   2/12/2013 at 14:03 (4,061 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Hehe. I like that sort of new technology Gary :)

With my JL heat pump the drum tumbles for 15 secs before the heat pump kicks in and then it will generally run until the cool down phase. However, if I'm doing a heavy load of towels the compressor will sometimes shutdown for 10 - 15 mins which is probably when it's got too hot in the dryer. The small fan tends to kick in later in the cycle and then carries on running. The compressor will also switch off if the room temperature gets too hot to stop it overloading so I always make sure the cupboard is open when it's on.

I have 3 intensity settings on top of the dryness settings and these add on a few more minutes if you want things a bit drier. I find that drying a smaller load tends to leave things slightly damper than a proper full one. I guess it's down to the fact that items dry at different rates and when there is less the overall moisture level will be low which switches the dryer off!

Hopefully it's just a case if getting used to your new machine Richard.

S


Post# 659908 , Reply# 99   2/12/2013 at 14:12 (4,061 days old) by suds (Brisbane, Australia)        
5 drying....

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..levels and 3 extra intensity levels and I thought my AEG already had too many!? Lol

Post# 659937 , Reply# 100   2/12/2013 at 15:54 (4,061 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Well tonight I did a small load on the default cupboard dry setting consisting of towels and bath matt and couple of t shirts and a pair of trackies. Only things that came out "cupboard" dry were the trackies. Everything else was still too damp so I am not sure why the default options are not working now. Was fine the first time round.

So if you have cupboard dry and then extra dry what is the point in having a separate dryness level setting when you can use the extra dry program which seems 5 mins longer than adding the top dryness level on.

Gonna press the dry button next time hopefully that will sort it.


Post# 659961 , Reply# 101   2/12/2013 at 18:28 (4,061 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        
Panasonic Inverter heat pump dryer

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Hows this for a heat pump dryer! I have inverter air con in my house this technology is fantastic:

www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_GB/Pr...

Inverter Technology
This enables a heat pump dryer to run the drying process with optimum power. Compared to conventional dryers that can't change compressor rotation speed, an inverter model significantly reduces wasted energy consumption for efficient operation.

www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_GB/Pr...


Post# 659965 , Reply# 102   2/12/2013 at 18:36 (4,061 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Some videos of the panasonic here:

isitetv.com/isitetv_cms/player.ph...

3 videos along the bottom must say very similar design to the beko.


Post# 659967 , Reply# 103   2/12/2013 at 18:48 (4,061 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

We have a siemens heat pump dryer and its pretty good albiet has a few niggles, the buttons are touch sensitive and rather fiddly in the way that they work and the other day it played up and kept telling me the box was full and it wasnt and the top and housing for the water box was soaking (but I have a feeling that fingers aka Mia pulled the water box out slightly lol)
it dries really well and the sensors are pretty spot on, would have had it for 2yrs in June :)
I have a gorenje USElogic condenser dryer in my wash house and someone plugged it into an energy meter to see how much it used compared to the siemens heat pump dryer and they both use around about the same amount of energy which shocked me lol
the gorenje is rated B and the siemens is rated A-60% but both of them are amazing bits of kit and are highly recomended :)
Tom :)


Post# 659980 , Reply# 104   2/12/2013 at 19:37 (4,061 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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I have read through the panasonic heat pump manual and then again at mine and seems that I may have got the wrong items in the dryer on the cupboard dry.

I shouldnt mix towels in with t shirts etc. But I guess cos its 8kg I am trying to put it all in together which I possibly can do but need to increase the drying level so I will press the + button on the next load I do and see how I get on.

I might have been lucky first few times.


Post# 660051 , Reply# 105   2/13/2013 at 03:37 (4,061 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        
I have inverter air con in my house this technology is fanta

Me too, since the 90s and the thing is just amazing! You save energy and comfort is much better!
Panasonic also has inverter microwaves but with all its appliances, other than hifi and video equipment, quality is actually quite shoddy! Figures that stand by power of the last line of inverter microwaves is a whopping 31W and loads of complaints for burned inverter modules!!! The only thing I would save in the bunch are the A/C equipment, but I wouldn't trust my business on them, only for domestic use!

All in all, I wouldn't ever trust Asian manufacturers for home appliances, they look and feel of very low quality and assistance is terrifying! God spare me from ever buying Samsung or LG as an example ;) and the "classic" Panasonic quality assistance net is only for brown appliances and not home appliances! So you can't trust them neither! :O
Give me Italian made forever ;) (or at least a Beko camouflaged as low end SMEG ahhahah)


Post# 660052 , Reply# 106   2/13/2013 at 03:58 (4,061 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        
Lg air con and tvs

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I have two lg tvs both of which are superb quality and reliable and the air con also works very well.

I wouldn't say they are too unreliable lg is one of the biggest air con manufactures. Yes they are more budget but certainly not bottom.


Post# 660281 , Reply# 107   2/14/2013 at 12:24 (4,059 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Will be doing another wash tmrw

Post# 660305 , Reply# 108   2/14/2013 at 14:27 (4,059 days old) by suds (Brisbane, Australia)        
Weekly...

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...towel load in the dryer using cupboard dry with "dry+" worked perfectly, this ran whilst at work so cannot say whether it ran for less time than using the extra dry setting.

Let us know how you get on :)


Post# 660306 , Reply# 109   2/14/2013 at 14:30 (4,059 days old) by mrx ()        
WARNING - Bosch Heatpump dryer does not reverse!

Just a word of warning, the Bosch heatpump dyers rotate in one direction only!

Our Bosch heat pump machine is a bit of a disappointment to be honest. It won't dry sheets without turning them into a complete ball.

I didn't even think to check that a dryer at that price range reverses. It's a feature I would normally take for granted.

If I were you, I'd look at a mid-range Electrolux or something like that instead.


Post# 660332 , Reply# 110   2/14/2013 at 16:16 (4,059 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        
Suds:

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Do you separate things out for the Beko such as t shirts, jeans, shirts etc or do you mix the load up.

Seems mixing the load up ends up with some things damper than others.

However I notice the reverse tumble on the beko literally lasts about 2 seconds if that so bedding and sheets sometimes come out tangled.


Post# 660607 , Reply# 111   2/16/2013 at 02:12 (4,058 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Did a load yesterday. Mixed load of hand towels, t shirts, pair of jeans and 2 hoodies. On cupboard dry + setting and all came out fine but hoodies had damp hoods still but they would have been wearable as only hoods were damp.


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