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A Filter-Flo goes back into service |
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Post# 658968   2/8/2013 at 14:21 (4,086 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 658970 , Reply# 1   2/8/2013 at 14:22 (4,086 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 658971 , Reply# 2   2/8/2013 at 14:23 (4,086 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 658972 , Reply# 3   2/8/2013 at 14:24 (4,086 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 658973 , Reply# 4   2/8/2013 at 14:24 (4,086 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 658975 , Reply# 5   2/8/2013 at 14:26 (4,086 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 658976 , Reply# 6   2/8/2013 at 14:27 (4,086 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 658977 , Reply# 7   2/8/2013 at 14:29 (4,086 days old) by golittlesport (California)   |   | |
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Post# 658979 , Reply# 8   2/8/2013 at 14:39 (4,086 days old) by tecnopolis (Ocala/Dunnellon, Florida 34481)   |   | |
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Post# 658987 , Reply# 9   2/8/2013 at 15:19 (4,086 days old) by lebron (Minnesota)   |   | |
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Post# 658992 , Reply# 10   2/8/2013 at 15:34 (4,086 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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I love how Arty can flip the SUDS button out of its awkward, asymetrical position--oh! the ignominy of being a non-suds user--and flood the floor when you neglect his bath.
Look at how weird the suds button looks when not in use. PLEASE fix that, and show us the glory of a solid tub GE Suds-return. The close-ups are drop-dead gorgeous, Jon. Thanks. |
Post# 659002 , Reply# 11   2/8/2013 at 16:17 (4,086 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL)   |   | |
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Post# 659008 , Reply# 12   2/8/2013 at 16:41 (4,086 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 659018 , Reply# 13   2/8/2013 at 17:07 (4,086 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Post# 659019 , Reply# 14   2/8/2013 at 17:12 (4,086 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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Decades ago, John and I saw one like this at some second hand dealer in WVA, but could not bring it home. I at least lifted the book out of it so I have that. Glad you have the machine. |
Post# 659024 , Reply# 15   2/8/2013 at 17:26 (4,086 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Post# 659025 , Reply# 16   2/8/2013 at 17:29 (4,086 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 659030 , Reply# 17   2/8/2013 at 18:09 (4,086 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 659031 , Reply# 18   2/8/2013 at 18:12 (4,086 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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if I am correct Drew, the relocation of the filter flume was to reduce the depth of the cabinet so it would set flush with the counters and flush against the wall.....almost like a counter depth fridge......
I just think it looks so neat at the 12noon spot.....and wondering if there is a way to change a regular filter flo back to the 12 noon position.....it doesn't have to come thru the metal top, best bet would be to slide the splash shield over to that spot.....there would also be a little hidden notch to cut out as well... |
Post# 659032 , Reply# 19   2/8/2013 at 18:16 (4,086 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 659033 , Reply# 20   2/8/2013 at 18:17 (4,086 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 659035 , Reply# 21   2/8/2013 at 18:25 (4,086 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Post# 659038 , Reply# 22   2/8/2013 at 18:36 (4,086 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 659050 , Reply# 24   2/8/2013 at 19:51 (4,086 days old) by lotsosudz (Sacramento, CA)   |   | |
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I almost popped a woodie, when I saw the pics of your machine! I always loved the GE FF's. I loved their ability to wash, and rinse like few other MFG's, as well as their very futuristic styling. They always made great noises, as well as put on such a great show while washing. The only thing missing from your post, was a video of your machine, doing its thing. Hint Hint!
Hug's, David |
Post# 659083 , Reply# 25   2/9/2013 at 00:22 (4,086 days old) by westingman123 ()   |   | |
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THAT is pretty! The composition of your pictures is always so artful! Now, can we have a coffee-fueled video, please? Pretty please? |
Post# 659095 , Reply# 26   2/9/2013 at 02:46 (4,086 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 659104 , Reply# 27   2/9/2013 at 04:17 (4,085 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 659108 , Reply# 28   2/9/2013 at 06:21 (4,085 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 659167 , Reply# 30   2/9/2013 at 11:38 (4,085 days old) by rickr (.)   |   | |
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Post# 659169 , Reply# 31   2/9/2013 at 11:40 (4,085 days old) by mixfinder ()   |   | |
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The amazing difference with this solid tub is that it has a brake which makes the tub index and roll over is amazing. I saw one like it at Greg's in Omaha and was amazed. |
Post# 659176 , Reply# 32   2/9/2013 at 12:13 (4,085 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Mike, here''s the shot with the secret of GE's Clean: convincing extended fins.
Martin, I saw what you and Andy wrote about the filter flume. I was curious about the cool fill flume and why they moved it and altered it. Jon, I hope you're okay. Your storm and Boston were the lead story on the PBS Newshour last night: very rare. Say Hello and let us know. |
Post# 659180 , Reply# 33   2/9/2013 at 12:32 (4,085 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )   |   | |
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Post# 659209 , Reply# 34   2/9/2013 at 15:34 (4,085 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 659210 , Reply# 35   2/9/2013 at 15:36 (4,085 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 659211 , Reply# 36   2/9/2013 at 15:37 (4,085 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 659212 , Reply# 37   2/9/2013 at 15:39 (4,085 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 659217 , Reply# 38   2/9/2013 at 16:19 (4,085 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)   |   | |
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There's no water level switch here. Is the WATER SAVER switch the level switch, you just hit it yourself when you decide that's enough, or it fills for full load otherwise? Will it remember that setting for the rinse? Please explain-
Very cool machine, I like all those buttons and choices, lots of variety. Thanks for the pictures--
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Post# 659239 , Reply# 39   2/9/2013 at 17:21 (4,085 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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lots of washing!
Okay the embed bug isn't worked out yet, Robert has been working on it. So you'll have to view it on my YT page from the link below:
CLICK HERE TO GO TO Jetcone's LINK |
Post# 659242 , Reply# 40   2/9/2013 at 17:28 (4,085 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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The water saver has to be selected for each fill otherwise it fills completely. It has to fill to where water is running out over the top of the tub for the FilterFlo to work. The water level pressure switch is in the sump of the outer tub. |
Post# 659244 , Reply# 41   2/9/2013 at 17:30 (4,085 days old) by lebron (Minnesota)   |   | |
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Post# 659247 , Reply# 42   2/9/2013 at 17:36 (4,085 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Post# 659250 , Reply# 43   2/9/2013 at 17:39 (4,085 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 659257 , Reply# 44   2/9/2013 at 17:59 (4,085 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 659259 , Reply# 45   2/9/2013 at 18:03 (4,085 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL)   |   | |
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Taken from the 1959 "Use and Care" book:
"Small loads (up to 5 pounds of clothes with no one piece larger than a man's shirt) can be laundered using the water saver feature. Follow the general procedure for laundering according to the model being used with the following exceptions. 1. The detergent must be placed in the washer and allowed to dissolve before adding the clothes. 2. When detergent is dissolved, for personal safety push control to "OFF" position and be sure that all parts of washer have stopped moving, then add clothes. Replace Filter Pan. 3. Pull out control knob and machine will continue to fill with water. When the desired amount has entered, press the WATER SAVER Control momentarily - then release. Be sure the level of the water in the washer is not below the ridge on the Activator, regardless of how small the load. After the washing portion of the cycle is complete, the washer resets automatically for a full tub of water. If a partial fill is desired for rinsing, return to the machine while it is filling for the rinse portion of the cycle. When desired amount of water has entered, press the WATER SAVER Control.
WHEN LESS THAN A FULL WASHBASKET OF WATER IS USED, RECIRCULATED WATER DOES NOT ENTER THE FILTER PAN." |
Post# 659269 , Reply# 46   2/9/2013 at 18:28 (4,085 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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The 1960 GE magazine with the "live" cover is amazing. Wonder how many years away that is, (grinning).
When my Aunt got this in pink and I first saw the switches for both Water Saver AND Suds Saver, I nearly discorporated. Great close up, and thanks for the memory. Seeing the power of the fill flume is so satisfying. What a truly beautiful washing machine! Is the suds kill a spray rinse? And what are we flyin' at here? It looks pretty fast. |
Post# 659278 , Reply# 47   2/9/2013 at 20:12 (4,085 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 659282 , Reply# 48   2/9/2013 at 21:22 (4,085 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 659288 , Reply# 49   2/9/2013 at 22:13 (4,085 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 659290 , Reply# 50   2/9/2013 at 22:39 (4,085 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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Suds kill is the full stop after the machine pumps out the wash water and the pressure switch resets. Then it starts to spin again. |
Post# 659293 , Reply# 51   2/9/2013 at 22:50 (4,085 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 659337 , Reply# 52   2/10/2013 at 06:24 (4,084 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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After I upgraded to Mt Lion, I can no longer embed directly; it won't work.
Super!!
Wow Louis, just watched the video, still the bug, its playing not just the FF video but all my videos. UGH!
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Post# 659350 , Reply# 53   2/10/2013 at 08:22 (4,084 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)   |   | |
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Post# 659359 , Reply# 54   2/10/2013 at 09:11 (4,084 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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I think I know what happened. If you click on the link you posted you get your complete playlist. So, if you post the embed link of that video, it embeds your whole playlist.
I think that is due to changes on Youtube. I see playlists more often as recommendation too. Stupid Youtube! I think this should work for the video. |
Post# 659416 , Reply# 55   2/10/2013 at 13:35 (4,084 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 659439 , Reply# 56   2/10/2013 at 15:12 (4,084 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)   |   | |
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Post# 659445 , Reply# 57   2/10/2013 at 15:46 (4,084 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 659472 , Reply# 58   2/10/2013 at 17:15 (4,084 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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and for those of you asking about SUDS KILL - here is the skinny!
CLICK HERE TO GO TO Jetcone's LINK |
Post# 659484 , Reply# 59   2/10/2013 at 17:53 (4,084 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )   |   | |
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Post# 659557 , Reply# 60   2/11/2013 at 09:33 (4,083 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)   |   | |
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The suds kill function is built into the fill flume, an elegant, angular affair molded out of bakelite although later ones were made out of Lexan. Some of the fill water is diverted through a passage inside the bakelite flume downward directly into the massive outer tub. When Louisville dumbed-down the flume for the perf-tub FF's, the new rubber flume was aimed so some of the water got sprayed into the outer tub. From personal experience, their aim was "hit or miss". Where the fill spray for the solid-tub machines is a strong and healthy straight stream, the fill spray on the perf models is the messy scattered spritz of a syphillitic.
I think it was Tom Stiyer who explained that the pause in the middle of the first spin only was only there for a circuit-workaround for the first spin when the fill sensor fails to detect any more water in the outer tub (because it has been pumped out) it cuts power to the motor. The cam then proceeds to the next timer interval where the motor power lead gets switched to another hot lead. You can see this in the electrical schematics. I'll try to dig one up.
Thanks for the picture of the model number. As I suspected, this was the very first iteration of this 1960 "T"855 model and was most likely manufactured late 1959 (I need to go to my books to figure out the exact date) before GE execs decided to declare 1960 their "Golden Anniversary" year. Later versions of this model featured metallic gold paint on the control panel. Interesting also is the omission of the "OFF" word from the Suds Return selection. If collectible appliances were priced like most other collectibles, this model would be worth a fortune. Thank you for all the pictures and videos of this machine; it is one of my favorites. As I've mentioned in many other posts, we had the BOL model pictured above, the WA-632 with the same turquoise filter pan which I picked out from the used appliance store in 1964. I'm still kicking myself for not taking the filter-pan with me when they sold the house in 1970. I think that was my all-time favorite washer. Look for 1960 Filter-Flo cut sheets in Ephemera soon. |
Post# 659560 , Reply# 61   2/11/2013 at 09:50 (4,083 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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Wow! Jon that is just beautiful! I love that turquoise activator cap and clothes guard! I am sure you are having a ball with this one. Will you be able to deploy it as a suds-saver?
Excellent job on the restoration and congratulations!! Hmmm... Now that I am unemployed again, I just might be able to swing by for a visit... |
Post# 659623 , Reply# 62   2/11/2013 at 12:46 (4,083 days old) by joefuss1984 (Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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An interesting note on the suds kill. I had a new GE washing machine around 2005ish. It was a neutral drain model and was not a Filter Flo (of course). After all of the water drained and the machine would begin to spin, It would start and stop 3 times before starting and completing the spin. According to the owners manual this was to help reduce suds that would interfere with spin.
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Post# 659766 , Reply# 63   2/11/2013 at 23:14 (4,083 days old) by alr2903 (TN)   |   | |
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The white washload with the aqua trim of the Filterflo are a pleasant thing to see. Congratulations, its a beauty. arthur |
Post# 659830 , Reply# 64   2/12/2013 at 07:29 (4,082 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Now that I am unemployed again, I just might be able to swing by for a visit... "You know you are welcome anytime - BUT YOU WILL BE PRESSED INTO SERVICE!!
Ken, thank you for your efforts on valuing my machine, I thought that turquoise agitator cap was factory despite the 1960 line having black ones like 1956 did. You can come play too. My 1956 thanks to Coldspot preserving it for me is now half way rebuilt and soon to come online as well. By summer we should all be FilterFlowing everywhere!
You maybe right about that swtiching off the fill circuit, although I think Doctrine does refer to it as Sudskill, it maybe there due to the circuitry as well!! Good detective work!
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Post# 660053 , Reply# 65   2/13/2013 at 04:49 (4,081 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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on thinking again on the suds kill. That washer has such a powerful pump that the outer tub is well drained long before the pause for suds kill. So if it was circuit dependent then the motor should stop just as the outer tub was drained, but it doesn't.
I am thinking that whole suds kill cycle is timer controlled.
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Post# 660077 , Reply# 66   2/13/2013 at 08:22 (4,081 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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the clothes dissappear into the depths of the solid tubness under the water!!
It's that tension in the pause before RINSE and SPIN. You know it won't last long- but it still feels like forever!!
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Post# 660078 , Reply# 67   2/13/2013 at 08:23 (4,081 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)   |   | |
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IIRC just as the outer tub is emptying, the spray rinse starts and ends with the spin pause; so there is still a little bit of water coming into that tub and keeping the fill sensor closed. I forget: does the "WATER SAVER" switch work on the rinse fill?
I had never heard the terms "Suds Kill" or "Suds Lock" until I came to this site. Probably because no Filter-Flo we ever had stalled because of oversudsing. I remember people making mistakes with detergent and suds pouring out of the lid onto the floor, but it never stopped the machine. I think that's because that outer tub is so large that it held the suds until the rinse fill.
...and just for the record, I think that Turquoise cap looks so rad! I remember that on our machine, the plastic filter-pan went on to and came off of the activator with some difficulty. Is that true with this one? |
Post# 660079 , Reply# 68   2/13/2013 at 08:26 (4,081 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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in the solid tub machines there is no water flowing into the tub. The last time the water was coming in was at the fill period. These machines start out "dry" spin "dry" and then fill for rinse and thats the last time water enters the machine.
I just timed it at spin start the machine spins out all the water, the outer tub is empty and the pause kicks in for 20 seconds.
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Post# 660092 , Reply# 69   2/13/2013 at 10:30 (4,081 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )   |   | |
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Post# 660122 , Reply# 70   2/13/2013 at 12:37 (4,081 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 660126 , Reply# 71   2/13/2013 at 13:08 (4,081 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Good question Malcom. Robert had his '58 next to his '61 GE a couple of years ago during a visit, and I noticed the difference in agitation right away when we ran wash through both at the same time. The solid tubs have a slightly longer and slower stroke than the perf tubs. Here's Robert's 61 for example:
John - I'm lovin' this thread! This is one FINE looking GE. This post was last edited 02/13/2013 at 13:39 |
Post# 660132 , Reply# 72   2/13/2013 at 13:30 (4,081 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 660253 , Reply# 73   2/14/2013 at 07:10 (4,080 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 660258 , Reply# 74   2/14/2013 at 08:11 (4,080 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)   |   | |
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The first 2 versions of the V-12's used the center position flume; they weren't very well built even compared to the Solid-tub flumes. They were kind of flimsy and the one on the V-12 that Robert gave me broke off and then he told me that the one on his Rotary Fabric Dial model also needed to be replaced. And they are very hard to find. Later on during that model year, the flumes were improved and moved to the 1:00 position where they stayed for 30+ years.
Jon, our WA-632T and my WA-850P had/have a spray rinse during the first spin.
I have an explanation somewhere of the 160-degree stroke for the new V-12 spiral ramped activators and why it's a good thing. Also, the first "V" models had a steel-capped filter pan which I have never seen in real life. I think the bosses kaboshed them after they produced the literature but before they put them on the market.
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Post# 660261 , Reply# 75   2/14/2013 at 08:34 (4,080 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)   |   | |
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Post# 660262 , Reply# 76   2/14/2013 at 08:41 (4,080 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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So your research is saying GE produced a solid tub machine in 1960 WA-632T that had a spray rinse in spin?? WOW Never have I seen a solid tub with spray rinse , now that is one rare bird. Gonna have to take a closer look at the 1960 line. I too have never seen a SS capped filter pan out in the field! Only in commercial lit!
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Post# 660361 , Reply# 77   2/14/2013 at 18:47 (4,080 days old) by tgm8000 (New York)   |   | |
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My Moms 1960 TOL programmed GE washer had that turquise filter pan with the SS cap. I remember the cap would never stay on the top of the filter pan. |
Post# 660606 , Reply# 78   2/16/2013 at 02:11 (4,079 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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"Probably because no Filter-Flo we ever had stalled because of oversudsing." I remember in the 1960's our '56 FF sudslocking when and only when the one time Mom bought Tide. It went into spin and the suds were flopping back over the tub ring,the tub could hardly turn, I went and told her and she threw the box out. Back to Cheer right away.
Whats all that suds on campus in your picture, meant to ask earlier? Is that from Fringe??
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Post# 661778 , Reply# 80   2/22/2013 at 21:31 (4,072 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 664370 , Reply# 81   3/7/2013 at 14:19 (4,059 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 664414 , Reply# 82   3/7/2013 at 19:21 (4,059 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass)   |   | |
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YAY!!!! |
Post# 664543 , Reply# 83   3/8/2013 at 09:55 (4,058 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 664547 , Reply# 84   3/8/2013 at 09:58 (4,058 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass)   |   | |
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CAN'T WAIT!!! |
Post# 664552 , Reply# 85   3/8/2013 at 10:17 (4,058 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 664553 , Reply# 86   3/8/2013 at 10:18 (4,058 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 664562 , Reply# 87   3/8/2013 at 11:26 (4,058 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass)   |   | |
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I wondered about that top tub gasket. Later ones wouldn't fit because this tub has a straight side instead of a lip at the top of later FF tubs. |
Post# 664586 , Reply# 88   3/8/2013 at 15:50 (4,058 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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I see what you mean, the tub top needs a direct mount gasket yes.
I don't know about later machines but on these the trick is that the top slides onto the machine from the front so it has to all snug up when you bolt it at the back. Someone had glued foam to the top and all that did was push the foam away from the tub when you slid the top on. See how the gasket just wipes the undersurface once the top is all in place.
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