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A couple of UK built Hoover F/L's here in Oz
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Post# 662010   2/24/2013 at 02:27 (4,073 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        

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I already mentioned these to Chestermike and Chris here in Oz. I managed to bring home 2 UK built Hoover front loader's from an old washer repairer here in Brisbane. He has 6 front load Hoover's in total and Nathan and I will end up with all them between us more than likely.

This first one is a Hoover 455 Model A3072.

I've only done a quick spin test of this machine and it works, will do a proper test soon.

Cheers
Leon





Post# 662011 , Reply# 1   2/24/2013 at 02:30 (4,073 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Pic 2

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closer pic of the control panel

Post# 662012 , Reply# 2   2/24/2013 at 02:33 (4,073 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Money shot

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Interior pic. Door seal on this machine is in very good condition

Post# 662013 , Reply# 3   2/24/2013 at 02:35 (4,073 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Badge of quality!

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Backplate

Post# 662014 , Reply# 4   2/24/2013 at 02:38 (4,073 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
2nd machine

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This is the 2nd machine i brought home....which Nathan will have. An A3060

Post# 662015 , Reply# 5   2/24/2013 at 02:40 (4,073 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
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closer pic of the control panel

Post# 662016 , Reply# 6   2/24/2013 at 02:44 (4,073 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Money shot

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Interior: stainless steel bowl

As you can see the door seal has completely disintegrated. We may be able to salvage one from one of the other machines, but do any of our UK members if these are still available??


Post# 662017 , Reply# 7   2/24/2013 at 02:46 (4,073 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Backplate

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Backplate

Post# 662019 , Reply# 8   2/24/2013 at 03:17 (4,073 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        

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Great stuff Leon.

About the door seal, I think you'll find that any Hoover door seal from a Zodiac or Electra will fit either machine.

I'd be willing to bet some of my private parts on it!



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Post# 662025 , Reply# 9   2/24/2013 at 05:10 (4,073 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Hoover - Who Better!!

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Congratulations Leon on your latest finds, its certainly turning up trumps with classic gems!!, the Hoover 455 is based on the 1970`s Hoover Matchbox range, a simple hot and cold fill, 740rpm spin and a 9lb washload, vitreous enamel drum inside and out,looks like it has the later control time from the electronic series though, interesting!!

Post# 662026 , Reply# 10   2/24/2013 at 05:12 (4,073 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Door Seals

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are still available here, a little cheaper than the ones listed, there are many spares here still for the range...


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Post# 662027 , Reply# 11   2/24/2013 at 05:28 (4,073 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
Hoover Twosome

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well done on getting two excellent machines from Hoover, the 3072 looks great in those colours, and of course the excellent 3060 both classic Hoover machines.
Suspension kits,Door boots (make sure you get the proud door model boot), pumps are all easily available over here.
The only difference with the 3060 doorboot is it will be grey and not black unless you are lucky to find some from a spares shop out there in Australia

You will have fun using these beauties

Congratulations
Gary


Post# 662028 , Reply# 12   2/24/2013 at 05:38 (4,073 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
The A3060

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was the first Hoover washing machines with the fast 1100rpm spin in 1978, it was the fastest of the era in front loaders from here...a great machine, many still in working condition, in fact Jon Lavamat picked one up last week from original ownerner and still in daily use!!

It has the 3 seperate spin speeds for fabric types 500rpm for delicates, 800rpm for woollens and 1100rpm for fats drying of cottens / towels etc...


Post# 662029 , Reply# 13   2/24/2013 at 05:50 (4,073 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        

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All Australian made machines have the proud door....boots won't be an issue.

Post# 662030 , Reply# 14   2/24/2013 at 06:31 (4,073 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Boot seals

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Those door boot seals are damn cheap in the UK!

By the way Mike....apparently some of those wide bodied Hoover Keymatics did make it to Australia....but in very small numbers. They would be a rare find now.

Cheers
Leon


Post# 662031 , Reply# 15   2/24/2013 at 06:41 (4,073 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
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Although I think that I have seen the 455 style panel on machines here (exclusives - need Paul to confirm on that) it looks like the 455 was made specifically for Australia as it has a lower rated heater in accordance with Aus 10amp sockets. Made in February 1977 as well, long after the the "matchbox" series had been superceeded. It would be interesting to know if it has the earlier programming of that current in 1977.

I wonder if the 3060 was taken out by someone emigrating, as it would need 13amp supply, made on Feb 1979 - 2 years after the 455

Great finds!

Al


Post# 662037 , Reply# 16   2/24/2013 at 07:35 (4,073 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Hoover Panel

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Al by the date of manufacture for Aus, it looks like the morphing of the matchbox series fascia and vitreous drum / innards etc with the timer of the electronic 800 series...wonder if they where using up additional supplies before full production in 75 of the silver electronic 800`s?

Heres a pic from (Calling Matchbox!!) Pauls library of the matchbox styling and fascia!!


Post# 662039 , Reply# 17   2/24/2013 at 08:31 (4,072 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
Programming

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Well it does not appear to be the same programmer in the Matchbox vs the 455 when the two guides are placed side by side. I wonder how it compares with the model after the Matchbox

Al



Post# 662040 , Reply# 18   2/24/2013 at 08:40 (4,072 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Boots

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Hi Leon, so you had the slant front models, the first wide bodied keymatics, did you get the later models like the matchbox??

Have a look at what you need and will get stuff sorted if you need it from here!!




Post# 662113 , Reply# 19   2/24/2013 at 16:45 (4,072 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Hoover "Who Better"

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Leon

Thank you so much for posting these wonderful Hoover Washer pictures. That A3072 is one true stunning machine.


Post# 662319 , Reply# 20   2/25/2013 at 11:27 (4,071 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi Leon.

What a find you have made in that Hoover 455 and even better that you have decided to take it home with you. A bit of tidying up and you will have a great piece of Welsh built Australian laundry history (not that you dont have that already though!).

As has been mentioned, your A3072 / 455 was derived from the UK's model 3236H, which was introduced in 1970. The 'Matchbox' fascia style was superceded in 1975 in the UK by the replacement range comprising models A2020/A3006 and A3008, with flat all brushed aluminium fascias.
The Matchbox style remained in production until 1979 for exclusives.

By way of comparison with your model A3072, below are some photos of the UK's first version 3236H - this machine dates from 1971....


Post# 662320 , Reply# 21   2/25/2013 at 11:28 (4,071 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Early 70s enamel colour favoured speckly blue ....

Post# 662321 , Reply# 22   2/25/2013 at 11:33 (4,071 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

better picture, with replacement door seal in grey :-(
Black looks soooooooo much better.

Parts are still readily available for this style of machines, as they were a standard pattern for most Hoover machines produced into the early to mid 80's in the UK. Hopefully you will find a supplier in Australia - sure that you can get some imported if not....


Post# 662322 , Reply# 23   2/25/2013 at 11:35 (4,071 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Under the lid of the 3236H....

Post# 662323 , Reply# 24   2/25/2013 at 11:37 (4,071 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Again for comparison with the 455, here is the UK 3236H's ratings plate....

Post# 662325 , Reply# 25   2/25/2013 at 11:41 (4,071 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi Al.

Agree wih your emigration theory re the A3060 finding its way to Australia. Am sure if they had been on general sale out there, they would have been discussed before now. I certainly have never read anything previously about their sale in Australia.

Re: UK Matchboxes with similar style fascias to the 455 - only one machine, in the form of the A3052 House of Fraser exclusive though retaining the usual Matchbox dial....


Post# 662326 , Reply# 26   2/25/2013 at 11:44 (4,071 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

....though there is this export version A3236, which I think went to Scandinavia. This machine is a preserved example and there are youtube videos of it - I think its owned by Timon90, whose photograph is below....

Post# 662327 , Reply# 27   2/25/2013 at 11:46 (4,071 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Had the 455 had a matching dryer, it would probably have looked like this South African Matchbox dryer ....

Post# 662329 , Reply# 28   2/25/2013 at 12:05 (4,071 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Back to Australia.....

there is a superb post on an old thread, by an ex-member called 'Meadowbank'.

He mentions that 2x3203H and 2x3223H widebody Keymatics were imported by Hoover Australia for evaluation.
However he also states that the decision to release them onto the market was not forthcoming. The widebodies were stored, prior to being sold internally within Hoover Australia.

From various other threads, if I understand it correctly, Hoover Australia has sold for general sale the following front loaders:

3226 slant front Keymatic, branded as the MkIV.
3236H as sold in the UK - though which version (red or orange) I don't know.
A3072 Australian-ised version of the 3236H, branded as Automatic 455.

Then the Zodiac's were introduced, kicking of with the unheated model 460 and heated 465.

Picture below not mine (obviously) and if any of the Australian members know the actual A???? model numbers for your Zodiac models, please let me know.
I think your 490 Zodiac 12 was model number A3738.


Cheers
Paul


Post# 662332 , Reply# 29   2/25/2013 at 12:15 (4,071 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Just been over to Australian ebay to look for Zodiacs and noticed that the following didnt sell and is showing on the completed listings. Not a front loader, but thought I would flag it here nonetheless....

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Post# 662406 , Reply# 30   2/25/2013 at 15:17 (4,071 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Wide body Keymatics

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Hey Paul

Great photo's! Love them!

You are correct regarding the wide body Keymatics brought to Australia for evaluation. I have actually chatted to 'Meadowbank' in the past, he was actually a Hoover engineer who worked for the company for 20 years before being made redundant when the Hoover was bought out by 'Email', the company that made Simpson here in Australia at one time.

He told me those wide bodied Keymatics would be a very rare find now, if they still exist at all!

He also mentioned that Hoover Australia was working on a prototype of a 10kg slant front front loader similar to the Maytag Neptune. However, it never went into production after Email took over the company and i'm sure pretty sure he said the prototype was destroyed.

My contact here still has one more 455, one 465 and 2 Zodiac 12's, so i should be able to get model numbers for you once we get them back home.

Cheers
Leon


Post# 662422 , Reply# 31   2/25/2013 at 15:54 (4,071 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi Leon.

Meadowbank's paragraph was a really informative eye opener - so much so, that I have actually saved it into a word document.
Really interesting how how Hoover toyed with the idea of the widebodies, but didnt pursue it and then the daliance with the UK Matchboxes, then the development of the Zodiac's.
My first encounter sighting of a Zodiac was in Mrs Mangel's kitchen - smacked me across the face as being a Matchbox with tweaks.

Excellent that you are in a position to take on another 455 (making a good one from the two, or will both survive intact?) and a 465 as well.
The official model number information would be great and can't wait to see piccies of them, once they arrive at their new home(s).

Really am pleased that you have got a 455 - I dont really need to post the picture below, now that there is a physical example, but anyway...


Post# 662515 , Reply# 32   2/26/2013 at 03:33 (4,071 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Meadowbank Keymatic Thread

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Here is the thread that Paul and Leon where talking about, detailing "Meadowbank" it started with Garys first Keymatic and built up to include details from UK and Australia.....fantastic detail built up by everyone!!


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Post# 662516 , Reply# 33   2/26/2013 at 03:44 (4,071 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
From Meadowbank`s Archive - Australian Keymatic History...

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Australian keymatic/frontloader history.

"I watch this site occasionally and can help answer some of the questions that have been asked about Australian made machines, I would also like to ask some questions as well.

The Australian produced slant front Keymatic was withdrawn from the market due to falling sales caused by reliability problems, bearing failure mainly. The problem was fixed towards the end but it was too late to revive the sales (this was before my time so I am only repeating what I was told).

In the mid to late 1960’s four wide cabinet Keymatic were imported from the UK for evaluation, two 3203H’s and two 3223H’s. (possibly at different times, were these in production at the same time?). Management had doubts about their reliability so no more were imported. At this time the company had its hands full setting up production of a large top loading automatic based on a design from the Blackstone company in the U.S. this was called the 500 series, see mayfan’s collection for a picture of one. The four Keymatics sat in a storage area until the late 70s and were then sold. I bought one, a 3203, and later acquired one of the 3206’s for spares. Both eventually failed in the key programming mechanism and were scrapped. I still have some parts, motors, hoses etc. which I would be happy to part with for nothing, but the transport costs would have to be paid. When I pulled them apart I was able to compare the drum sizes with a later front loader and there was not a lot of difference, the Keymatic drum was only slightly larger in diameter.

When the matchbox (where does this name come from?) models became available the 3236H model was imported and sold in Aust. This was replaced by the black facia 3072 when this became available. (Why are the numbers out of order?) This machine was sold with the marketing number of 455 and the later Australian models followed this numbering sequence. In about 1977 it was decided to setup for production of front loaders in Aust. Twenty 3072’s were set aside and their major parts numbered, they were fitted with a timer with locally derived programs- no prewash, shorter wash times and a modified heater sequence. The graphics on the control panel were made to resemble a top loader because the UK system was more suited to the garment labelling system used there but not used in Aust. Other locally sourced parts were fitted where available and a screw was put into the draw assembly to make it unusable, the first Australian models were to have no draw as it was too expensive.

The company was not making any money from the imported machines so the local production had to be cost reduced. Of the twenty ‘prototype’ machines number 4 is still in everyday use but it has been updated with a stainless inner and outer tub from a later machine. The first Australian machine was the 465 / A3086 heater model, the 5 in the 465 denoting the heater. All production machines start with serial number 10,001, and preproduction or trial run machines start at 9800, I had number 10, 001 for some time but it was sold which I now regret. The new machine sold reasonably well but many people requested a model without a heater so the model 460 was introduced some months later, from memory this was to become the most popular model.

The subsequent models have been described earlier in this thread. The machine was finally withdrawn from production because of tooling costs, the dies for the tub backplate and the door glass had become unusable and the cost to replace them was not justifiable on the quantities of machines being sold.

I hope this helps fill in a few gaps and is of interest. MB."


Post# 664962 , Reply# 34   3/10/2013 at 19:21 (4,058 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Hoover 455

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Hi Leon, have you managed to get the 455 Model A3072 through a cycle yet?


Post# 664981 , Reply# 35   3/10/2013 at 21:16 (4,058 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
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Hi Mike

Yes, i did a video and it;s on my Youtube channel, i just haven't had time to post the link as yet.

A leak from the boot and from the pump and its a little 'squeaky', but overall, it completed the cycle fine.

By the way, i'll be getting 2 Wilkins machines in the next few weeks: a Maytag clone 401 with heater and a 32T push button TT, not sure if its a heater model not.

Unfortunately, the Mark72 pair will have to wait a little longer.

Cheers
Leon


Post# 665390 , Reply# 36   3/12/2013 at 12:20 (4,056 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Hoover 455 Video

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Nice work Leon, all those clicky sounds and whirrs, - doesnt get much better!!




Post# 667577 , Reply# 37   3/22/2013 at 01:43 (4,047 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Meadwbank Article

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Interesting article about the history of Hoover Australia, and oh to fins a Hoover A3052 House of Fraser Special...and the Aus model of the 3226 had that lovely chromed door!!

Post# 667905 , Reply# 38   3/23/2013 at 13:08 (4,045 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Ohhhh an A3052. Sigh. If only.
Still to discover whether House of Fraser ever commissioned a matching dryer for it, as official Hoover documentation gives absolutely no indication that one was produced.
But its the House of Fraser! Would they have sold a washer without a matching dryer?

Never noticed that about the Australian 3226 before - lovely mirror finish the the inside of the door.

Paul



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