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Post# 664497   3/8/2013 at 07:27 (4,038 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Suddenly it is 1967 again and you can almost
Hear The Sound Of Silent Quality Knock on Any Norge........
I found another interesting washer and dryer for the appliance museum, a matched pair of TOL Norges, the dryer is even GAS. These will need a little more work than the recently acquired 1950 GE washer but I have a plan to restore them into excellent running condition. Many thanks to Rich, train-guy in Pa. for spotting and holding on to this cool and very rare pair, what a great guy.
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Post# 664499 , Reply# 1   3/8/2013 at 07:32 (4,038 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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As you can see the washer is in pretty rough shape, but fortunately Tom and I rescued a MOL Norge many years ago that was dropped of a truck onto its control panel that was in mint condition otherwise. I saved this damaged Norge all these years hopping to find a good top and control panel.
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Post# 664500 , Reply# 2   3/8/2013 at 07:33 (4,038 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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As you can see the washer is in pretty rough shape, but fortunately Tom and I rescued a MOL Norge many years ago that was dropped of a truck onto its control panel that was in mint condition otherwise. I saved this damaged Norge all these years hopping to find a good top and control panel.
Close-up of washer timer dial |
Post# 664502 , Reply# 3   3/8/2013 at 07:36 (4,038 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 664503 , Reply# 4   3/8/2013 at 07:38 (4,038 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 664504 , Reply# 5   3/8/2013 at 07:40 (4,038 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 664506 , Reply# 6   3/8/2013 at 07:45 (4,038 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 664507 , Reply# 7   3/8/2013 at 07:52 (4,038 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Washer inside showing [ dirt ] and the dual timed electric dispensers and lint filter basket, this Norge has a real pump driven recirculation lint filter, no silly burpa-lator agitator that wastes tub capacity and only moves a 1/4 of the water through the lint filter, and because the lint filter is stationary it is not acting like a sifter and allowing much of the fine lint to just through the mesh. |
Post# 664508 , Reply# 8   3/8/2013 at 07:56 (4,038 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 664509 , Reply# 9   3/8/2013 at 07:58 (4,038 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 664511 , Reply# 10   3/8/2013 at 07:59 (4,038 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 664513 , Reply# 11   3/8/2013 at 08:04 (4,038 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 664517 , Reply# 12   3/8/2013 at 08:13 (4,038 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 664527 , Reply# 14   3/8/2013 at 09:05 (4,038 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 664548 , Reply# 15   3/8/2013 at 10:01 (4,038 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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What a cool control panel all lit up and with speedometer dials that apparently turn backwards??? How weird, Chuck is gonna have a hard time with this one!! CCW is a n0-n0.
Are these 15 16 or 18 pounders??
So many good machines were made it still amazes me what is out there after 30 years of collecting!
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Post# 664549 , Reply# 16   3/8/2013 at 10:02 (4,038 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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WOW John, CONGRATS on another exciting find!
Yeah that blue agitater is really neat!
What are the small knobs on either side of the timer dial? I assume one is water level, but what is the other? AND..... what are all the little knobs on the dryer for?
I'm look forward to hearing about and seeing the results after the restoration!
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Post# 664551 , Reply# 17   3/8/2013 at 10:07 (4,038 days old) by rickr (.)   |   | |
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Post# 664565 , Reply# 18   3/8/2013 at 12:01 (4,038 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Post# 664570 , Reply# 19   3/8/2013 at 12:29 (4,038 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 664574 , Reply# 20   3/8/2013 at 12:54 (4,038 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Post# 664577 , Reply# 21   3/8/2013 at 13:49 (4,038 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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Wow John, I have never seen anything quite like these! The basket lint filter at the rear is something I don't recall seeing on anything here up in the glacier zone - the consoles of both machines look more 'space age' than anything that was sent into space in the day, I swear! The 3-way hamper door on the dryer is a great idea - more proof that today's machines are seriously lacking in innovation.
Great save! |
Post# 664594 , Reply# 22   3/8/2013 at 17:32 (4,037 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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Post# 664598 , Reply# 23   3/8/2013 at 18:26 (4,037 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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This was the first year of the polypropylene agitator and it is interesting Michael that you commented on the unusual fin design between the top and bottom fins. I didn't take a very good picture but the fins used to be connected from top to bottom, but because of the twisting stress in this area the center section of fin is actually broken away. We used to see this in high use Norge washers and we would take a propane torch and heat the rough edges after the fins broke so the sharp edges would not damage clothing. If anyone has an intact light blue agitator for one of these washers I would be happy to buy it.
With Norge washers one would be surprised at the parts that I have seen broken, often things you would think would expect to brake, LOL. I have seen the bottom base pans brake, agitator shafts brake in two, the plate that the brake assembly mounts to I have seen brake in half and on and on. |
Post# 664604 , Reply# 24   3/8/2013 at 19:03 (4,037 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Post# 664607 , Reply# 25   3/8/2013 at 20:09 (4,037 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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John, thanks for all the close0-ups. Substitute the black bakelite aghitator found in robert's Monkey Wards Imperial and that's what our 1964 Norge looked like. I loved those timed dispensers. Some of the best I've ever used. We had 8 cycle buttons on our (remember seeing the Ozzie & Harriet piece Tomturbomatic found a couple of months ago? That was our 1964 pair. Our pair did not offer cycle buttons that war numbers 2 and 8. Wasn & Wear durables was number 5 and cold water wash was #6. the button numbers corresponded with timer dial wash times. Our dryer had the same exact sequence except we had a fluff cycle with start bar where there are no numbers on the timed dry cycle on this dryer. I'm extremely impressed the lint filter basket is still there. That's exactly like ours was. Lasted about 5 years before it wuldn't stay stable with the "tooth" that held it in place. There was a 1965 Monkey Wards service manual that was available a couple of months ago I downloaded. One mention was the filter basket could be used for a deterrgent dispenser (aka filter-flo). I tried that a cvouple of times but not all the powder was dissolved bgy the end of the 12 minute wash cycle so I never did that again. I wish I understood about the modulating gas valve on the dryer back when I was 10. I wouldn't have fretteed as much as I did about more delicate fabrtics if I'd understood. Loved that 3-way dryer door. I believe thjis washer is a POD for a detergent commercial occassionally. IU believe these oculd have been for sale in late 1966--remember seeing them at our Foley's Dept. store around then and despereately wanted these over what was at home because of the two preferred cycle buttons additions as well as temperature buttons on the dryer. Can't wait to see these some day after restoration. I wonder if these did the partial drain and then began spinning (this was about the time that came about) or was it more like what ours was (like Robert's too) where by total drain, then whatever mechanism engaged (with a nice "pop" and motor engaged and a naer standstill and ramped up the spinning). Our washer timer dial had the word "EXTRACT" rather than seen here--Automatic Cool Down. This post was last edited 03/08/2013 at 20:59 |
Post# 664612 , Reply# 27   3/8/2013 at 20:56 (4,037 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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These were off-set timer dials like on mid-1960s Frigidaires. One of the knobs on the washer was the water level. The other knob turned the timer dial (at least on the ones I saw in the store). The knob push/pulled for on/off. For the dryer, I can only think of what two were for. One for setting the timer. The other was for stop'n'dry feature. The third little knob may have been a buzzer/signal off/on, but that's just guessing. I think it was nice the filter basket and filter stream nozzle were color-coordinated with the agitator (if it was blue when new). |
Post# 664634 , Reply# 28   3/8/2013 at 23:15 (4,037 days old) by A440 ()   |   | |
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Awesome find John! Great looking set. Thanks for the burner shot. What the the BTU input rating of the burner? The dryer looks huge! Brent |
Post# 664635 , Reply# 29   3/8/2013 at 23:32 (4,037 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Dryers rarely wow me, but this one is truly beautiful. And the washer is to die for!
Like many here, I adore the Norge, and to see a TOL all lit up and full of bells, whistles, and buttons to play with is so satisfying. Can't believe we gassed all night on the telly and you didn't mention the new found treasure. It was a fun and nice surprise to find out here. |
Post# 664670 , Reply# 31   3/9/2013 at 06:02 (4,037 days old) by kakidd (Texas)   |   | |
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what does VHQ stand for?? |
Post# 664671 , Reply# 32   3/9/2013 at 06:05 (4,037 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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Because when things really work,parts do wear!!! Still the all time BEST washer ever made!!! |
Post# 664675 , Reply# 33   3/9/2013 at 06:37 (4,037 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)   |   | |
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Post# 664676 , Reply# 34   3/9/2013 at 06:38 (4,037 days old) by kakidd (Texas)   |   | |
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Thank You! |
Post# 664782 , Reply# 35   3/9/2013 at 19:36 (4,036 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Michael the reason the agitators broke in this area was this was one of the greatest areas of stress, the agitator was driven at the top and most of the stress was the outer fins on the skirt, so the slight flexing in the waist area would cause the rigid fins to brake in this area, we saw many-many Norges do this around this time period.
Someone asked about the claimed capacity of this washer, Norge was claiming 18 pounds at this time. When these extra large washers came out around 1963-4 they claimed 14, then quickly went to 15, then 16, , 18 and finally 20 pounds. The tub was always the same size and I would estimate the REAL capacity be be in the 14-15 pound range. |
Post# 664816 , Reply# 36   3/9/2013 at 23:20 (4,036 days old) by 70series ( Connecticut.)   |   | |
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Wow, what nice finds. It is uncanny that two vanes on the agitator would break off in the exact same place. I too thought it was all part of the design. |
Post# 664831 , Reply# 37   3/10/2013 at 03:06 (4,036 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 664871 , Reply# 38   3/10/2013 at 10:21 (4,036 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 664996 , Reply# 39   3/10/2013 at 23:11 (4,035 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 665053 , Reply# 40   3/11/2013 at 08:20 (4,035 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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original, that's how the agitators were made in the parallel universe, this machine has somehow flopped over here. You'll need a doorway generator to hop over to the parallel earth and search parts stores there to replace it like new!! Get crackin'!
Oh while you are there pick me up a spare IBM Selectric 251 please!
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Post# 665054 , Reply# 41   3/11/2013 at 08:21 (4,035 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 666387 , Reply# 43   3/16/2013 at 22:06 (4,029 days old) by washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)   |   | |
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Being a huge Norge/Wards fan, these are awesome machines! I have a 1965 Norge "VHQ" with bakelite agitator and missing the lint filter -- still on the hunt for that. Had the matching dryer but had to downsize and unfortunately it went to the crusher. Those washers are hard-working machines and really do the job. I believe they compensated for the capacity issue by just allowing the but to fill up higher without changing the size of the tub. I have a Wards Signature 20-lb capacity and the tub is the same size as my '65 Norge but it appears that the Wards 20-lb fills up more than the Norge.
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Post# 673098 , Reply# 44   4/16/2013 at 02:03 (3,999 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 673126 , Reply# 45   4/16/2013 at 06:30 (3,999 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 673133 , Reply# 46   4/16/2013 at 07:30 (3,999 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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How cool Bob glad you noticed this difference in the agitators, I had assumed that our machine was the first year for the blue polypropylene agitator, but I did not realize that Norge made the same washer with the black Bakelite agitator. This is great news because the near mechanically perfect donor machine is a year older and has the black agitator, so I will probably just leave it unless I can find an unbroken blue PP agitator. |
Post# 673179 , Reply# 47   4/16/2013 at 12:52 (3,999 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Always a sucker for the elevated control panel with lots of buttons and a huge dial, the VSQ Norge is a stunning example. And the blue agitator makes it all the more special.
Re-reading the thread, I just noticed the reference to a three speed motor. That'll be fun to see, cycle 9, Fragile, Lightly soiled, and maybe the woolens wash. Interested in the 1st button, SOAK. John, only the rinse is marked soak, nothing else on the dial. Does the soak button hold the timer some where, and for how long? And, when you have time, there are two smaller dials, one on each side of the main. Betting one is water level, of course, but what about the other? Imagine there will be many heads bent over this gem, when the museum opens. |
Post# 673238 , Reply# 48   4/16/2013 at 17:35 (3,998 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 673265 , Reply# 49   4/16/2013 at 20:00 (3,998 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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The "soak cycle" is on the dial where the rinse begins. No it doesn't "hold" the timer. it simply selects the water temperature (cold) and normal agitation and spin. Our 1964 Dispense-o-Mat, button #1 was soak. it was a cold fill. Coincidentally, where the pre-wash cycle is on the timer dial is where our soak cycle was. A 4 or 5 minute agitation and extract with spray and finish spinning. There is a separate pre-wash cycle button which I suspect is a warm fill. the other "small" knob is used for setting the timer kind of like the 1960 Frigidaire Custom Imperial.
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Post# 673282 , Reply# 50   4/16/2013 at 21:29 (3,998 days old) by washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)   |   | |
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Post# 673379 , Reply# 51   4/17/2013 at 06:49 (3,998 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 673394 , Reply# 52   4/17/2013 at 08:07 (3,998 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 673455 , Reply# 53   4/17/2013 at 12:40 (3,998 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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