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Thread Number: 45396
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| Post# 664892 , Reply# 1 3/10/2013 at 13:02 (4,054 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
me i agree that my duet washer is trash i would much rather have my inglis superb 2 direct drive washer my duet is near 10 years old but i fine the cleaning poor because of the little water inside when i am use to have clothes submerge in water if i had to buy a belt drive washer of the vintage era i would go with the inglis superb washer in harvest gold with matching dryer to have if i needed a warm rinse option
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| Post# 664899 , Reply# 2 3/10/2013 at 13:14 (4,054 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
Honestly... | ||
| Post# 664990 , Reply# 6 3/10/2013 at 22:15 (4,054 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
I have a Duet Clone
A Maytag 5000 Series Steam washer and dryer. Going on four years and they are not bad machines. The washer recently had to have a service call due to a pressure switch telling the controller that it was flooding when in fact it had not water in it at all. It was fixed under the extended warranty and back in business.
What I was told was that there were two different Duet models, one was made in Germany, like mine is, the other was manufactured in Mexico. The problem machines were from south of Texas. I was, however, told the day I purchased the machine to always have it plugged into a surge protector and I would prevent many problems. I was told this as well with my new Kitchenaid dishwasher that is being delivered. The Maytag 300 Series bought in 2007, and the last "real Maytag" design has been trouble from day one. Maytag's dependability reputation took quite a hit in the last years before it's ultimate death. Though I have stated many times I am no whirlpool fan, at least they saved Maytag from being purchased by Haier. | ||
| Post# 665011 , Reply# 7 3/11/2013 at 00:23 (4,054 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea)) | ||
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| Post# 665032 , Reply# 9 3/11/2013 at 06:36 (4,054 days old) by drewz (Alexandria, Virginia) | ||
air2903, I think you have it correct, Whirlpool is just making top loaders to serve that very small market segment. Whirlpool knows they are going to be phased out so why bother to build a quality top loader. Should you want a Whirlpool DD top loader purchase a Commercial Whirlpool top loader w/o coin slot it is still old school for now.
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| Post# 665095 , Reply# 10 3/11/2013 at 12:16 (4,053 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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And Here We Are Again... | ||
| Post# 665116 , Reply# 11 3/11/2013 at 14:05 (4,053 days old) by norgechef (Saint George New Brunswick ) | ||
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That is probably true... I see where you guys are going with this...maybe they are actually purposely making them terrible so people will want front loaders but still Whirlpool has a hotline for failed drum bearings in their front loaders you know, and ''Maytag'' Maxima front loaders also have lots of drum bearing issues and those machines usually cost over $1000 | ||
| Post# 665150 , Reply# 12 3/11/2013 at 16:58 (4,053 days old) by DigAPony () | ||
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Correction: Americans are being forced, not weened off Top Loaders. Same as goes for phosphates in our detergents, the incandescent light bulb, R12 refrigerant, and so on. None of which is free market driven. | ||
| Post# 665256 , Reply# 13 3/11/2013 at 22:15 (4,053 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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Post# 665321 , Reply# 14 3/12/2013 at 05:52 (4,053 days old) by retro-man  (- boston,ma) |
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As far as space goes I have whirpool duets and they are mounted on top of each other. Takes up far less space than a toploader and a dryer next to it. Jon | ||
| Post# 665354 , Reply# 17 3/12/2013 at 07:55 (4,053 days old) by repair-man (Pittsburgh PA) | ||
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better for the environment ? I would love for someone to explain to me how these new wonderful "efficient" appliances that have to be manufactured, sold, delivered, removed and recycled every 5 to 10 years (or less) have less impact on the environment than a good product that lasts say 15 to 20 years or more. | ||
| Post# 665355 , Reply# 18 3/12/2013 at 08:09 (4,053 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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me i am wondering the same thing just look atthis dryer that my grandmother own from 1970 to around 2010 year she had to replace her dryer it lasted her 40 years, its sad to see that they decided not to keep such good quality in term of appliances. And also if every 5 or 10 years we have to replace an appliance they need to think that it fills the local dump site when the best way and option would be to somehow recycle the appliance bu a:)eather send it to a specilise repair shop that would repair and resell the appliance as a refurbish set or b:) try to recycle the old appliance by making something else like for exemple: new appliances with recycle material from the old appliance. Thats my toughs on this.
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| Post# 665427 , Reply# 20 3/12/2013 at 16:00 (4,052 days old) by norgechef (Saint George New Brunswick ) | ||
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I bet washing clothes in the tub would be more effective tha Its really starting to look like they're doing it on purpose....this video proves that they are trying to make washers fill up with such little amounts of water that the action of the agitator is ripping the clothes! so basically this is a dry rinse. what a piece of junk. | ||
| Post# 665446 , Reply# 21 3/12/2013 at 17:40 (4,052 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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me i have a feeling just to recycle washers there will be a | ||
| Post# 665457 , Reply# 22 3/12/2013 at 18:51 (4,052 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO) | ||
We all complain about the quality of these machines. Why doesn't some of the more entrepreneurial and ones with more means start a repair and distribution center to save and sell these old appliances. We seem to have a growing community of people here that feel this way. Bigger things have been started with less support. I don't think the government could do anything to stop it. It could be checked on ahead of time with an attorney.
I'm sure many here would jump at a chance to work at a place like that, especially if it was run by the right person, someone that would make it a fun and educational place to work. Then maybe people would start to learn skills again, jobs would be created and these companies that are turning out landfill fodder would set up and take notice. Maybe they would learn that planned obsolescence isn't really eco-friendly and start making something worth buying again. I know that most people believe that the government can't be fought and whatever they say goes, but I for one still believe in the American dream. Especially when enough people are behind it with growing numbers supporting it. No, it would not be easy, but nothing good is ever achieved with out hard work. As each day goes by, more and more of these machines are going to the crusher when they really aren't in that bad of shape. Think of the energy and resources it took to make those machines. Is that good policy? Now enter defeatist. Shoot it down. I'm sure someone will. Not being confrontational, but that seems to be the way it goes here. Realist enter too, but there is a big difference between realism and defeatism. Keep in mind, sometimes we make our own reality. Cheers, everyone. | ||
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Post# 665528 , Reply# 24 3/13/2013 at 04:54 (4,052 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Whirlpool's water saving top loaders are the biggest trash ever put on the market. Everyone that I know who has bought an HE whirlpool made top loader has hated it with a passion. You just cant get clothes clean in that little water in a top lading basket. The auto fill machines are hit or miss on the right fill level. A large number of the early generation auto fills have needed there fill level sensors replaced. The newer BD auto fills are less service prone, but, its still a fill gamble.
The lower end BD that have a manual fill selector actually get the tub full and do a good job of cleaning. But the lid lock to compensate for Whirlpool being to cheap to instal a tub break on the splutch is a huge pain to deal with, and adds 10 minutes alone to the cycle. Both to make sure the lid has latched and the fact the control wont unlock the lid until the tub has completely stopped, which adds several minutes after each spin. Service wise a number of these machines need pump/lid lock/control replacements. Not sure why though. When ever I go to Lowes I always see 2 or 3 new BD being returned for either not working or not cleaning. Now that Whirlpool is a full blown monopoly they can get away with selling anything. The foriegn manufactuers like LG, Samsung, Haier and those that are trying to enter the American market are being sued/bullied by Whirlpool into raising there prices on show room floors or not selling there all together. GE is their only real competator, but its made to appeal to home builders and landlords and the low end market. That and the fact where ever Appliances are sold the sales floor is dominated by whirlpool made brands that smother out the few other manufacturer models sitting there. The elctronic's industrie is nothing like this. Unless you have thousands to spend on a Miele or Bosch you stuck with Whirlpool. Marketing and gimmicks at work... | ||
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Post# 665566 , Reply# 25 3/13/2013 at 09:27 (4,051 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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A good friend of mine that lives nearby replaced a 95 plastic-tub Hotpoint washer with a Maytag belt-drive when they first came out a few years ago. He's had no trouble and no complaints so far. Full disclosure, they are not laundrophiles and likely have never noticed water levels, etc. 'If the clothes are wet and stuck to the tub, the wash is done' is more the line of thinking, as with many people.
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Post# 665584 , Reply# 26 3/13/2013 at 11:48 (4,051 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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Post# 665589 , Reply# 27 3/13/2013 at 13:01 (4,051 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Maytag Centennial HE
That machine in the video has automatic load sensing that adds the correct amount of water. Technically the machine isnt supposed to have that little water, for an impeller model its about right, mabey a tad more.
Underfiling is sometimes a very common problem with auto fill Whirlpools, Ive seen that many times. Not sure about this machine but on older sensor models when you lift the lid during the wash and rinse it fills to the top afterwards. Either way seeing that video really boils my blood, I like his comment though about how that got on the market. | ||
| Post# 665593 , Reply# 28 3/13/2013 at 13:21 (4,051 days old) by DirectDriveDave () | ||
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Another reason why I love the mechanicals on our DD washers. | ||
| Post# 665602 , Reply# 29 3/13/2013 at 14:04 (4,051 days old) by norgechef (Saint George New Brunswick ) | ||
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I just bought a Haier top loader In January, its not a direct drive model or whatever the Fisher&Paykel washers are for sure, it also seems rather cheaply manufactured but for $350 and a deep/full rinse on the quick cycle it seems like a pretty good machine to me so far..... | ||
| Post# 665616 , Reply# 31 3/13/2013 at 15:38 (4,051 days old) by WP-Dude22 (Trinidad and Tobago ) | ||
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this agitator would have been better suited to the slower action as well if the fins where more stiff n less flexible / rubbery 
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| Post# 665624 , Reply# 33 3/13/2013 at 15:51 (4,051 days old) by norgechef (Saint George New Brunswick ) | ||
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@beekeyknee Yes that sounds like a great idea but I don't think there is a market for old washers .Unfortunately everyone wants the new pretty glossy colored front loaders or the new stainless steel drum top loaders...But if someone ever did create a store like that I would sure end up buying my appliances there....that's for sure | ||
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Post# 665642 , Reply# 35 3/13/2013 at 17:27 (4,051 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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The newest models have the "powerwash" featurat is  | ||
| Post# 665659 , Reply# 37 3/13/2013 at 18:59 (4,051 days old) by norgechef (Saint George New Brunswick ) | ||
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I hate that You have to use the longest wash cycle to get a full wash and rinse on Whirlpool/Maytag bravos washers...and a wash that takes 2 hours may start to wear out the motor after a while, don't you think? | ||
| Post# 665668 , Reply# 38 3/13/2013 at 19:32 (4,051 days old) by alr2903 (TN) | ||
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Wow after watching the above video in reply #20. Thanks Norgechef. The tweak between the 2011 and the 2013 water levels is very noticeable. alr | ||
| Post# 665944 , Reply# 40 3/14/2013 at 21:47 (4,050 days old) by WP-Dude22 (Trinidad and Tobago ) | ||
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large load pic it was a very dirty load that pilled up after the old washer was cutting corners on cleaning / died the old washer got alot of licks/work 
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| Post# 666100 , Reply# 41 3/15/2013 at 18:23 (4,049 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
I'm so afraid  | ||
| Post# 666681 , Reply# 43 3/18/2013 at 01:21 (4,047 days old) by alr2903 (TN) | ||
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Hopefully some new upstart like I-Wash. The T/L machines are not quite doomed, but 20 years ago you would call warranty service for what the new machines offer in washing/rinsing ability today. Just my 2 cents. alr | ||
| Post# 668624 , Reply# 44 3/26/2013 at 23:05 (4,038 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii) | ||
 The only current top loaders I would even consider looking in to are the LG and GE. The rest,I wouldn't even bother to open their lid.John L. had one at his shop in for repair and I was shocked to see the loose tub movement similar to Frigidaire's indexing but movinng both ways instead of just counter clockwise.Its spin speed too had issues. The Cabrio does nothing for me and the ones I have seen in production leave much to be desired. The LGs however,are quite effective in thoroughly washing and rinsing using less water and their all stainless steel tub and impeller does'nt get scratches from metal zippers like the plastic ones do causing the fabrics to fray.
I like the Duets and have two different sets hooked up and running. They do our daily (4) loads and I was able to rig them to increase the water level about 1/4 the way up the window. one set is their original with the booster in the washer anc the other set is about two years old and was still under a Lowes three year service contract.The older set has the risers and the newer set is stacked real high because the washer alone has the riser.They are both out on the lanai. My LG Mega Capacity pair are in the laundry room and are used for the king size bed clothes and area rugs. | ||
| Post# 669226 , Reply# 46 3/30/2013 at 16:11 (4,034 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Modification I don't think machines that have to be modified from their factory specification or somehow tricked should qualify, but most all machines on he market today have some frugality that needs to be overcome.
I am still curious as to why none of the GE badged LG top loaders have reportedly had the exploding problem.
Malcolm | ||
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